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On July 09 2015 06:55 Clarity_nl wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2015 06:54 boxerfred wrote:On July 09 2015 06:11 Clarity_nl wrote:On July 09 2015 06:10 boxerfred wrote:On July 09 2015 01:47 boxerfred wrote:On July 09 2015 00:41 Clarity_nl wrote:
Looking back at EBH there's actually some points I like in his opener. It seems hard for scum to go "I think vivax is bussing geript and that's why he's tunneling so hard and geript is just ignoring him", this seems like a pretty townie thought. can we get any scumreads from you? *cough* Well MZ shot up to the top of my very short list. I haven't done as much as I wanted to today, so no you can't get any scumreads from me. blablabla scummy start doing something, you're not moving from my scum reads anytime soon. I'm shaking in my booties You've been tunneled on me all game yet you just keep interacting with me rather than trying to convince anyone of your read.
there's a difference between a scum read and a tunnel. I am talking reasonable to you, and all I just did was saying in an unpolite way that I think "I wanted to do so much" is just a bad excuse.
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As someone who continously read clarity scum, i have to admit that i really like his case. Can we please discuss that? I think even if milo flipped town, we have tons of reactions and Information from peoples reactions to the case. Im at work, just caught up. Ill lurk until evening, so dont expect much out of me.
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On July 09 2015 17:59 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2015 17:43 boxerfred wrote:
As someone who continously read clarity scum, i have to admit that i really like his case. Can we please discuss that? I think even if milo flipped town, we have tons of reactions and Information from peoples reactions to the case. Im at work, just caught up. Ill lurk until evening, so dont expect much out of me. Why does everyone say "discuss" but never actually ask any specific questions?
because I'm at work, as I said. What about you? Do you have specific questions?
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trying to catch up on the whole claim things.
so what came to my mind was the following:
facts: 1kp delivered. 1 banish delivered. Also damdred visited ritoky. geript tracked him.
a) geript is legit tracker and confirmed town.
b) geript and damdred are scum together and orchestrated that (which is unlikely but possible)
Then there's this damdred's filter:
On July 07 2015 23:46 Damdred wrote:
Good morning guys, i've caught up to the thread and would like to push you all to kill clarity today.
I'm not going to bother posting tons of quotes so you should fact check yourself after you get done reading.
The first thing of note to look at when it comes to clarity is his weird way of reading HF at the start of the game. Something that is really Non alignment indicative gets him to totally town read HF and say that in no way would he lynch HF today and he would totally fight against his lynch today. To me this is extremely odd, openings are usually not really that important and when informed that HF is the best (arguably) scum player on this site, the stance never changed and no fear is shown at all towards HF.
The next thing that really bugs me about Clarity is lack of follow up and ignoring of questions. I think that is extremely scummy behavior, if you look in his filter you will see that multiple times I asked him questions about the town read he gave HF, any more reads and his reasoning behind voteing wave and open ended questions. He ignores them until I continue to push them down his throat. He has no real follow up which I think is damning.
The weird vote and unvote has been talked about a bit by Marv as being really strange. Wave really really hasn't done jack all this game so not sure why he would unvote as it feels sorta like hes just going with thread sentiment to an extent and going where its safe. HF pushes wave goes to wave, thread goes against ritoky jumps to ritoky. Now is trying to get marv to tell him where to go. And has no real reads at this point.
TLDR
Has no fear of people he says are town, ie HF after one post
Lacks follow through on some posts/questions
Lacks scum reads
Follows thread sentiment and jumps to another when its available instead of pushing what he thinks.
This guy is scum vot ehim.
Pushing clarity. There's always one or even more scum reads on clarity during D1. So why not jail this guy? Why jail ritoky instead? For the jail itself: I (as a newer player) can actually see a jailor jailing ritoky. A defensive jail if he believed the cop claim - and a offensive jail if he would not believe it.
As it is, we have a person being roleblocked (marv), a person being visited (ritoky) and only one KP carried out. Doesn't that actually mean that it is highly likely that the KP was delivered by either marv or ritoky? Who else was blocked during the night, if any? I think milo claims to have been blocked (if I remember correctly, unsure of that and not really having the time to investigate on this).
So that brings us to 3 people that might have delivered a KP and were blocked. Marv, ritoky, milo.
Okay. At this point, I remembered that Harkon claimed. This:
On July 09 2015 19:29 Harkon wrote:
Ok, so considering that scum have no vig and town vigs are not allowed to shoot night1 there are EXACTLY 2 KP night 1.
I am telling you the following:
- Marv was not shot.
- Marv did not deliver KP.
- Ritoky was not shot.
- Ritoky did not deliver KP.
- the nightkills were EXACTLY Palmar and Harkon
Because I am the goddamn batmanveteran and I got shot last night.
This fucking screws my theory because it simply makes sense. I don't see Harkon claiming vet as scum.
So that removes Marv and Ritoky from my list of people that could have delivered the KP.
Leaving milo.
##vote milo
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I fear that my thoughts might have some weaknesses. Also, the important part of my post is basically the "3 possible blocked KPs, only milo wasn't blocked". The rest basically is thought process explanation. Please test my case, let me know your thoughts.
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If there is any reason to not believe Harkon's claim, let me know, I missed it then.
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Also, my post definitely bears the possibility of Damdred being Mafia RB so I'm fine with a Damdred lynch, too. That way we'd confirm ritoky and his claim, too. So I'd lynch between Damdred and Milo, preferably Milo.
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Yeah I know, Clarity. So 2 KP's were carried out. In a scenario where damdred is mafia rb, milo could've only been blocked by a town rb. That town rb could definitely claim by now. As long as that does not happen, I hold his block claim for a lie and am totally fine with lynching him.
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On July 10 2015 04:56 Harkon wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2015 04:53 boxerfred wrote:
I fear that my thoughts might have some weaknesses. Also, the important part of my post is basically the "3 possible blocked KPs, only milo wasn't blocked". The rest basically is thought process explanation. Please test my case, let me know your thoughts. If a towny had blocked milo he would claim unless he is an idiot. And your logic doesn't make sense anyways. No KP was blocked. Mafia had 2 KP and both are accounted for. I have no idea what this big post is even about regarding milo.
Didn't he claim to have been blocked? If not, I'm just stupid. Who was blocked then Oo.
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On July 10 2015 04:59 Holyflare wrote:
Bf might be mafia for that post. Giant wall of text explaining stuff that gets cancelled out by his last paragraph? Meh
Or, I might be town who's simply giving his train of thoughts to contribute and let others try to hop on ideas that I might be bringing up.
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On July 10 2015 05:00 boxerfred wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2015 04:59 Holyflare wrote:
Bf might be mafia for that post. Giant wall of text explaining stuff that gets cancelled out by his last paragraph? Meh Or, I might be town who's simply giving his train of thoughts to contribute and let others try to hop on ideas that I might be bringing up.
Also, I still have a point HF...
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On July 10 2015 04:59 Harkon wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2015 04:58 boxerfred wrote:
Yeah I know, Clarity. So 2 KP's were carried out. In a scenario where damdred is mafia rb, milo could've only been blocked by a town rb. That town rb could definitely claim by now. As long as that does not happen, I hold his block claim for a lie and am totally fine with lynching him. Fair enough. But if milo is scum damdred is also probably scum and since damdred is probably the roleblocker we should lynch him first.
Wait, let me firstly find out if he claimed to have been blocked or not.
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On July 10 2015 04:59 Harkon wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2015 04:58 boxerfred wrote:
Yeah I know, Clarity. So 2 KP's were carried out. In a scenario where damdred is mafia rb, milo could've only been blocked by a town rb. That town rb could definitely claim by now. As long as that does not happen, I hold his block claim for a lie and am totally fine with lynching him. Fair enough. But if milo is scum damdred is also probably scum and since damdred is probably the roleblocker we should lynch him first.
Okay, So, milo claims to be blocked. My point stands.
Fine with damdred as long as we don't forget/kill milo at night.
##unvote ##vote Damdred
It's also fun how HF instareads me scum though I'm really trying to help. Also it's noteworthy that while the whole thread says "lynch damdred" I say "lynch milo" instead. would've been way easier for me to stick with damdred.
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On July 10 2015 05:02 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2015 05:00 boxerfred wrote:On July 10 2015 04:59 Holyflare wrote:
Bf might be mafia for that post. Giant wall of text explaining stuff that gets cancelled out by his last paragraph? Meh Or, I might be town who's simply giving his train of thoughts to contribute and let others try to hop on ideas that I might be bringing up. Yes you might also be town? I just don't like that post.
Why don't you like a post where I'm going after the person that you vote? Should I follow thread sentiment instead?
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On July 10 2015 05:05 milo109 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2015 05:04 boxerfred wrote:On July 10 2015 04:59 Harkon wrote:On July 10 2015 04:58 boxerfred wrote:
Yeah I know, Clarity. So 2 KP's were carried out. In a scenario where damdred is mafia rb, milo could've only been blocked by a town rb. That town rb could definitely claim by now. As long as that does not happen, I hold his block claim for a lie and am totally fine with lynching him. Fair enough. But if milo is scum damdred is also probably scum and since damdred is probably the roleblocker we should lynch him first. Okay, So, milo claims to be blocked. My point stands. Fine with damdred as long as we don't forget/kill milo at night. ##unvote ##vote DamdredIt's also fun how HF instareads me scum though I'm really trying to help. Also it's noteworthy that while the whole thread says "lynch damdred" I say "lynch milo" instead. would've been way easier for me to stick with damdred. What a rebel. So cool. Must be town.
What a decent and reasonable answer to my thoughts 
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On July 10 2015 05:07 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2015 05:06 boxerfred wrote:On July 10 2015 05:02 Holyflare wrote:On July 10 2015 05:00 boxerfred wrote:On July 10 2015 04:59 Holyflare wrote:
Bf might be mafia for that post. Giant wall of text explaining stuff that gets cancelled out by his last paragraph? Meh Or, I might be town who's simply giving his train of thoughts to contribute and let others try to hop on ideas that I might be bringing up. Yes you might also be town? I just don't like that post. Why don't you like a post where I'm going after the person that you vote? Should I follow thread sentiment instead? Like I said. I don't like it because it's a wall of text where you waste time explaining stuff just to cancel it out in one paragraph. Mafia like to do that to appear like they are contrubuting. Especially when you are rehashing things that are obvious and already said.
You go girl, fine with you scumreading me.
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On July 10 2015 05:14 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2015 05:11 Clarity_nl wrote:On July 10 2015 05:07 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On July 10 2015 05:04 boxerfred wrote:On July 10 2015 04:59 Harkon wrote:On July 10 2015 04:58 boxerfred wrote:
Yeah I know, Clarity. So 2 KP's were carried out. In a scenario where damdred is mafia rb, milo could've only been blocked by a town rb. That town rb could definitely claim by now. As long as that does not happen, I hold his block claim for a lie and am totally fine with lynching him. Fair enough. But if milo is scum damdred is also probably scum and since damdred is probably the roleblocker we should lynch him first. Okay, So, milo claims to be blocked. My point stands. Fine with damdred as long as we don't forget/kill milo at night. ##unvote ##vote DamdredIt's also fun how HF instareads me scum though I'm really trying to help. Also it's noteworthy that while the whole thread says "lynch damdred" I say "lynch milo" instead. would've been way easier for me to stick with damdred. Saying something controversial doesn't mean you're town, it's the same situation where I didn't want to immediately lynch BM. Did you just scumslip or are you just really confident that boxerfred is town? No lol, boxerfred seems to be implying that people should think he's town because he's saying something controversial and I'm pointing out it doesn't work like that and used my opposition to the BM lynch as an example: i.e. people shouldn't be townreading me simply for opposing the BM lynch.
At no point I asked HF to read me town. I was just giving reasons to not scum read me for that post.
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On July 10 2015 05:19 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2015 05:15 boxerfred wrote:On July 10 2015 05:14 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On July 10 2015 05:11 Clarity_nl wrote:On July 10 2015 05:07 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On July 10 2015 05:04 boxerfred wrote:On July 10 2015 04:59 Harkon wrote:On July 10 2015 04:58 boxerfred wrote:
Yeah I know, Clarity. So 2 KP's were carried out. In a scenario where damdred is mafia rb, milo could've only been blocked by a town rb. That town rb could definitely claim by now. As long as that does not happen, I hold his block claim for a lie and am totally fine with lynching him. Fair enough. But if milo is scum damdred is also probably scum and since damdred is probably the roleblocker we should lynch him first. Okay, So, milo claims to be blocked. My point stands. Fine with damdred as long as we don't forget/kill milo at night. ##unvote ##vote DamdredIt's also fun how HF instareads me scum though I'm really trying to help. Also it's noteworthy that while the whole thread says "lynch damdred" I say "lynch milo" instead. would've been way easier for me to stick with damdred. Saying something controversial doesn't mean you're town, it's the same situation where I didn't want to immediately lynch BM. Did you just scumslip or are you just really confident that boxerfred is town? No lol, boxerfred seems to be implying that people should think he's town because he's saying something controversial and I'm pointing out it doesn't work like that and used my opposition to the BM lynch as an example: i.e. people shouldn't be townreading me simply for opposing the BM lynch. At no point I asked HF to read me town. I was just giving reasons to not scum read me for that post. You didn't outright ask him to but it sure was implied. Your argument was this "Hey look I just said this stuff that put me on the spot" with the unspoken implication that "everyone knows mafia don't like being put on the spot."
Nah. My post was more of an ironic "well you read it that way, you can also read it that way. your read is stupid." At least that's how it was meant.
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On July 10 2015 05:30 milo109 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2015 05:29 Holyflare wrote:On July 10 2015 05:25 ritoky wrote:
I mean, I kinda have to believe damdred is mafia here...I spent the past bit trying to comprehend why he would JK me and outside of using it on me cuz of the relationship we have I can't particularly justify it. But looking at it from the other angle is more troubling. If damdred was the JK, that means that the mafia fully intended for 1 investigation to go through and they chose mine over milo's. I can't really comprehend that. I understand that it is an acceptable statistical risk to take and the math makes sense; but on the chance one of the cops finds a red target why would you prefer to get into a yelling match with me rather than milo? No offense to milo, but I can yell, kick, scream, and throw a fit better than he can. And it is not like my claim is so much shadier than his to where I have so much less credit to where I am a better option in that regard. I just don't get it. Especially now that I learned there was 0 kp on me....I just am having a hard time trying to see a scenario where the stars align.... mafia could have shot you and jat could be mafia fake claiming the hit which lynches town jk damdred and probably milo after that (who could be town, yet super unlikely) thus they never expected you to get saved and had to make up some bs less than 0% chance but probably like 5% Wait wait wait. If he is fake claiming a hit and Damdred is JK I'm like confirmed town. Get outta here. I'm not scum if Damdred flips scum and scum if Damdred flips town.
If Harkon is fakeclaiming I'm ready to lose this game simply because of the #sickPlays.
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On July 10 2015 05:34 milo109 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2015 05:32 boxerfred wrote:On July 10 2015 05:30 milo109 wrote:On July 10 2015 05:29 Holyflare wrote:On July 10 2015 05:25 ritoky wrote:
I mean, I kinda have to believe damdred is mafia here...I spent the past bit trying to comprehend why he would JK me and outside of using it on me cuz of the relationship we have I can't particularly justify it. But looking at it from the other angle is more troubling. If damdred was the JK, that means that the mafia fully intended for 1 investigation to go through and they chose mine over milo's. I can't really comprehend that. I understand that it is an acceptable statistical risk to take and the math makes sense; but on the chance one of the cops finds a red target why would you prefer to get into a yelling match with me rather than milo? No offense to milo, but I can yell, kick, scream, and throw a fit better than he can. And it is not like my claim is so much shadier than his to where I have so much less credit to where I am a better option in that regard. I just don't get it. Especially now that I learned there was 0 kp on me....I just am having a hard time trying to see a scenario where the stars align.... mafia could have shot you and jat could be mafia fake claiming the hit which lynches town jk damdred and probably milo after that (who could be town, yet super unlikely) thus they never expected you to get saved and had to make up some bs less than 0% chance but probably like 5% Wait wait wait. If he is fake claiming a hit and Damdred is JK I'm like confirmed town. Get outta here. I'm not scum if Damdred flips scum and scum if Damdred flips town. If Harkon is fakeclaiming I'm ready to lose this game simply because of the #sickPlays. If he is fake claiming, I 100% believe you are mafia with him.
Why not give reasons to town why Damdred is indeed JK and I'm indeed scum then? I guess this is WIFOM and OMGUS?
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