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On July 10 2015 05:29 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2015 05:25 ritoky wrote:
I mean, I kinda have to believe damdred is mafia here...I spent the past bit trying to comprehend why he would JK me and outside of using it on me cuz of the relationship we have I can't particularly justify it. But looking at it from the other angle is more troubling. If damdred was the JK, that means that the mafia fully intended for 1 investigation to go through and they chose mine over milo's. I can't really comprehend that. I understand that it is an acceptable statistical risk to take and the math makes sense; but on the chance one of the cops finds a red target why would you prefer to get into a yelling match with me rather than milo? No offense to milo, but I can yell, kick, scream, and throw a fit better than he can. And it is not like my claim is so much shadier than his to where I have so much less credit to where I am a better option in that regard. I just don't get it. Especially now that I learned there was 0 kp on me....I just am having a hard time trying to see a scenario where the stars align.... mafia could have shot you and jat could be mafia fake claiming the hit which lynches town jk damdred and probably milo after that (who could be town, yet super unlikely) thus they never expected you to get saved and had to make up some bs less than 0% chance but probably like 5%
Yeah I just looked at op and saw no save notification, so possible.
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On July 10 2015 05:09 ritoky wrote:
Random thought as I am catching up right now. Don't people usually ping out LS as mafia for basically doing nothing? Hasn't he done nothing since the end of d1? Also, does anyone know any of his reads at all, cuz I don't....
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On July 10 2015 05:35 Harkon wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2015 05:31 ritoky wrote:On July 10 2015 05:29 Holyflare wrote:On July 10 2015 05:25 ritoky wrote:
I mean, I kinda have to believe damdred is mafia here...I spent the past bit trying to comprehend why he would JK me and outside of using it on me cuz of the relationship we have I can't particularly justify it. But looking at it from the other angle is more troubling. If damdred was the JK, that means that the mafia fully intended for 1 investigation to go through and they chose mine over milo's. I can't really comprehend that. I understand that it is an acceptable statistical risk to take and the math makes sense; but on the chance one of the cops finds a red target why would you prefer to get into a yelling match with me rather than milo? No offense to milo, but I can yell, kick, scream, and throw a fit better than he can. And it is not like my claim is so much shadier than his to where I have so much less credit to where I am a better option in that regard. I just don't get it. Especially now that I learned there was 0 kp on me....I just am having a hard time trying to see a scenario where the stars align.... mafia could have shot you and jat could be mafia fake claiming the hit which lynches town jk damdred and probably milo after that (who could be town, yet super unlikely) thus they never expected you to get saved and had to make up some bs less than 0% chance but probably like 5% Yeah I just looked at op and saw no save notification, so possible. Not possible. If you have a problem with the notification ask the mod - I am sure he will tell you veterans get a notification after being hit.
He is talking about the world where you're mafia knowing a save happened on marv or me and since no save notifications you made wifom play and claimed vet who got shot. Low % world that is unlikely, but possible.
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On July 10 2015 05:42 Clarity_nl wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2015 05:25 ritoky wrote:
I mean, I kinda have to believe damdred is mafia here...I spent the past bit trying to comprehend why he would JK me and outside of using it on me cuz of the relationship we have I can't particularly justify it. But looking at it from the other angle is more troubling. If damdred was the JK, that means that the mafia fully intended for 1 investigation to go through and they chose mine over milo's. I can't really comprehend that. I understand that it is an acceptable statistical risk to take and the math makes sense; but on the chance one of the cops finds a red target why would you prefer to get into a yelling match with me rather than milo? No offense to milo, but I can yell, kick, scream, and throw a fit better than he can. And it is not like my claim is so much shadier than his to where I have so much less credit to where I am a better option in that regard. I just don't get it. Especially now that I learned there was 0 kp on me....I just am having a hard time trying to see a scenario where the stars align.... If damdred is town JK, milo is scum and scum roleblocker hit you as well.
Can you explain this to me more thoroughly please.
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Hey milo, can you make an accusation on one of your other scum reads instead?
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For the love of God, please just do this milo. If you're town this argument is just shitting up the thread right now:
On July 10 2015 05:50 ritoky wrote:
Hey milo, can you make an accusation on one of your other scum reads instead?
scott, BF, clarity, and MZ were all on your list. pick one and go.
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On July 10 2015 05:56 Clarity_nl wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2015 05:44 ritoky wrote:On July 10 2015 05:42 Clarity_nl wrote:On July 10 2015 05:25 ritoky wrote:
I mean, I kinda have to believe damdred is mafia here...I spent the past bit trying to comprehend why he would JK me and outside of using it on me cuz of the relationship we have I can't particularly justify it. But looking at it from the other angle is more troubling. If damdred was the JK, that means that the mafia fully intended for 1 investigation to go through and they chose mine over milo's. I can't really comprehend that. I understand that it is an acceptable statistical risk to take and the math makes sense; but on the chance one of the cops finds a red target why would you prefer to get into a yelling match with me rather than milo? No offense to milo, but I can yell, kick, scream, and throw a fit better than he can. And it is not like my claim is so much shadier than his to where I have so much less credit to where I am a better option in that regard. I just don't get it. Especially now that I learned there was 0 kp on me....I just am having a hard time trying to see a scenario where the stars align.... If damdred is town JK, milo is scum and scum roleblocker hit you as well. Can you explain this to me more thoroughly please. So a scenario in which damdred is JK, harkon is vet and milo is scum: 1 kp on marv 1 kp on harkon damdred JK > ritoky scum RB > ritoky milo claims he was roleblocked. Tah dah, a scenario where damdred is town and it all fits. Like I don't believe it's the case, but it's possible, just saying.
My problem with this is that I think milo is cop for a very admittedly stupid reason, but it is the unshakable kinda stupid....so there's that...
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On July 10 2015 06:03 Damdred wrote:
Hi guys, so I think we should move votes off me and onto Milo or Rsoultin, maybe lightning strike
Paint me your likely scenario of night actions this past night.
Also open to hearing cases on LS and rsoul.
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On July 10 2015 06:03 LightningStrike wrote:
I wont let you guys lynch me that easily.
so you're here and reading and electing to contribute nothing. isn't that your mafia meta?
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On July 10 2015 06:10 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2015 06:05 ritoky wrote:On July 10 2015 06:03 LightningStrike wrote:
I wont let you guys lynch me that easily. so you're here and reading and electing to contribute nothing. isn't that your mafia meta? Rolf I am the 2 Shot Gunsmith I already gave someone a gun I wont name them and if they are reading this: Don't claim that you have a gun.
15 votes on some1 else, no real lynch pressure, probably no way you're getting lynched today....just why...
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On July 10 2015 06:14 Damdred wrote:
Smh anyway I can't fully explain last night night actions to an extent.
I want you to try your damdest (punny) to explain as much of what you think likely happened.
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On July 10 2015 06:13 milo109 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2015 05:57 ritoky wrote:For the love of God, please just do this milo. If you're town this argument is just shitting up the thread right now: On July 10 2015 05:50 ritoky wrote:
Hey milo, can you make an accusation on one of your other scum reads instead? scott, BF, clarity, and MZ were all on your list. pick one and go. Sorry. Lots to address. Who is BF? Am I blanking? Anyway. The case on Scott.. I only just started and I found this gem, Show nested quote +On July 07 2015 03:40 scott31337 wrote:
I know it was a joke but was it to get distracted off of rsoul? It sure feels that way...
I'm only at page 58 - here's my spreedsheet of love.
1) Marvellosity townie after the morning
2) Scott31337 town
3) WaveofShadow Voted HF weirdly
4) Clarity_nl mixed it with HF / slight town
5) ruXxar slight town
6) Vivax Meh/null of scum defends trfel
7) Bill Murray wanderer claim
8) ritoky slight town
9) geript slight town
10) boxerfred null meh posts fakeclaim cop to distract from rsoul.
11) Meapak_Ziphh
12) Trfel Crap start but can be a big poster too
13) LightningStrike Meh/Damdred brings up good conclusions on his meta / looking up cases
14) Palmar Called boxerfred town which I don’t like/believe in
15) ObiWanShinobi Bad vote on HF / scumlean
16) KelsierSC Trying to think the game / townlean
17) milo109 scumlean ,towns HF / Oats / Wave
18) Breshke Ehh
19) Oatsmaster Says Clarity /WoS mafia
20) Damdred Slight town going after LS
21) rsoultin not a great defense when pressured, scumlean
22) Half The Sky miller claim / decent listpost
23) Harkon Smurf - maybe JAT? Ehhh
24) Holyflare Mindmelt opening - town
25) XEliteBlueHunter69X
I'll be back in a couple hours after I eat and finish the thread. He slight town reads everybody but Holyflare. Odd. The only person he calls scum is rsoultin, OWS and I. Millions of town leans can be indicative of mafia. Show nested quote +On July 08 2015 06:27 scott31337 wrote:On July 08 2015 06:19 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
lol decided to refresh the vote thread and discovered I'm being killed. I'm currently on page 57, I legitimately have not read this thread. The vote on Clarity was so I didn't get modkilled as he was the scummiest person I found in the first 5 pages.
Top scum reads right now are clarity, milo, and trfel. There are also probably a red or two in the beginning of my wagon as well as the end of my wagon. I'm going to keep catching up but I'll leave another tab open with the current page and refresh it every so often. Why were you AFK for so long? He lobs a softball to MZ, and then says this later, Why? He offered Ziphh another day to play. Why did he want to switch back? Also... Why does no one call Scott on TMI? -_- I'm not, because I think it's a dumb argument. But you notice that they only used the TMI on me. And then his latest post is an attempted catch on me that is dumb.
List post is atrocious, but he made atrocious list posts as town in the newbie game I was coaching so it isn't necessarily scum indicative. (here's the link http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/486978-newbie-student-mafia-xi?user=scott31337 )
The rest is meh to me and seems like fairly arbitrary reasons to put someone on your mafia list....
Also BF = boxerfred
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On July 10 2015 06:22 milo109 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2015 06:21 ritoky wrote:
The rest is meh to me and seems like fairly arbitrary reasons to put someone on your mafia list....
I mean. I don't have much to work with with him. I also hate filter dives.
Then why did he make your "scum" list with only 4 other people.....wat? If you didn't have much to work with, then why is he scum over 20 other people?
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What was the goal of your play there Damdred? On the off chance you're town, what reaction or information were you hoping to gain from that claim?
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On July 10 2015 09:46 Holyflare wrote:
Much ded many afk
Nobody even talked about rsoul even though ritoky asked and i presented a case?
I just got back, gonna go read it; but she has done literal nothing this phase amidst a lot of stuff happening, so I don't need much more help to get there where she herself has said she has activity troubles as scum beyond day1.
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Probably, doubt I remember it though; I have been balls deep in trying to sort out the mess of claims and actions and have forgotten a lot of what else is going on.
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Alright so your scum read is from her being wrong on you and making her arguments up, her having sudden tonal shifts that make no sense (screaming 1 second then entertaining your thoughts as town the next), and her arguing for the sake of arguing rather than for a point.
I know it is a drastic over-simplification but is that the jist of the case?
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On July 10 2015 11:20 Holyflare wrote:
I mean. Her whole premise of every scum read seems so like it's clutching at straws.
Her d1 scum read of ruxxar (queen of tone reads scum reading this guy after last game is baaaaaaaaad) is based on the phrasing of one post. Her scum read on me is for nothing that I even can comprehend because she keeps pushing useless stuff like it means something??
And
That
Is
All
Her
Scum reads
Lolololol
She has a d2 scum read on ruxxar for tmi...or is that a carryover from d1? Cuz I just read through ruxxar's day 2 and he doesn't to seem to be tmi to me...
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On July 10 2015 10:53 milo109 wrote:
What discussion? I agree that rsoultin needs to be considered. By the time we have the next lynch, we will have much more information though.
There's more than 1 mafia, and if you're actually a cop you should be worried that this is your last day phase and trying to solve the game/give what you can before you're shot.
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On July 10 2015 11:57 milo109 wrote:
First of all, if I got shot that would be fantastic. Second of all, I have all the night phase to update my reads after Damdred's flip. Third of all, I don't know what else to give. My reads haven't changed over the last three hours. Oh and fourth, god knows if I'm even close to correct.
rsoul, breshke, kelsier, waveofshadow, vivax, boxerfred, trfel
here's a list of people who haven't done a whole lot today (compared to a lot of others). give reads on all of them, no null reads allowed, scum or mafia lean is the weakest you can give.
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