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On July 07 2015 04:57 Clarity_nl wrote:
This is absurd. ritoky if you're town this is retarded and when you come back you need to put some effort in and give us some reads.
I kinda don't want to lynch you but that's just cause I'm a pussy
Since kp won't go down if we lynch scum is it the mechanical play to let him live at least 1 day so that if he's town, scum either kills him or they have to use a RB?
evasive bullshit. whats your read on ritoky? town or not town?
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On July 07 2015 05:15 scott31337 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2015 04:46 boxerfred wrote:
I don't like the Miller claim that HtS spewed out, like he doesn't give a fuck. Reads more like a backup (which is sadly NAI), claiming Miller makes sense as scum and as town. He's threwing out cases and opinions without going too hard for someone. He did the same in the Himalaya game after he got in via replacement, he was scum in there.
I just want to say that before people start sheeping him. Her, BTW.  Usually it's a decent strategy to claim self-aware miller/wanderer in day 1 - if you try it later when you're already checked or being pressured no body will believe it. No body else has claimed miller as of yet (and BM claimed wanderer). I mean don't give her a confirmed town 100%, just look more into her thoughts and agenda - and at the moment they seem okay. HF had a good point though. Why did you "hardclaim" cop while Rsoul was being pressured? Why did you time it then? Why did you say it at all?
What do you think of Palmar so far?I guess for now I go with the believe ritoky on his claim for today.
Trying out things. I'm still quite new and I know from the Himalaya game that a TMI call from a scum guy got the guy lynched D1. Tried to repeat things. No specific timing intended. Backed off because I felt that noone believed me anyways.
Don't have a stance on him yet.
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On July 07 2015 05:22 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2015 04:46 boxerfred wrote:
I don't like the Miller claim that HtS spewed out, like he doesn't give a fuck. Reads more like a backup (which is sadly NAI), claiming Miller makes sense as scum and as town. He's threwing out cases and opinions without going too hard for someone. He did the same in the Himalaya game after he got in via replacement, he was scum in there.
I just want to say that before people start sheeping him. HTS is a female for future reference when you talk to her but she had claimed Miller Day 1 before in Titanic as a Miller. She also is thinking critically this game so it's a huge plus for my town read on her.
My bad. Okay, I'll let that count.
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can someone summarize why ritoky is scum? dont wanna read through it now (because 11pm)
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On July 07 2015 06:04 Harkon wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2015 05:57 boxerfred wrote:
can someone summarize why ritoky is scum? dont wanna read through it now (because 11pm) Show nested quote +On July 06 2015 19:54 marvellosity wrote:
##Vote: ritoky
don't believe this silly "1 of these 3 ppl is mafia" post.
last time i played with him we mislynched him d2 because he literally refused to give scumreads out at any stage. And he always goes on about how proud he is of his d1 reads and how careful he is with giving them because he doesn't want to be wrong. Then this lazy throwaway post. boo. Also damdred is/was (?) scumreading him and he apparently has some sort of soulread on ritoky.
This is not really enough to justify so many people vote ritoky imho. gimme a second to read into the filter.
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Lots of scum reads, one town read (me and Kelsier).
+ Show Spoiler +On July 06 2015 15:28 ritoky wrote:
milo, ls, ruxxar....1 of these is mafia. more to come later. On July 07 2015 03:54 ritoky wrote:
Damdred is mafia or wrong on me for the first time in 15+ games. Town reads: On July 07 2015 03:37 ritoky wrote:agreed On July 06 2015 09:55 ritoky wrote:
I have a town read on Kelsier for looking up Damdred's previous games, and the follow-up on it. But he is asking dead-end questions a lot so I might have to rescind it soon.
Being under pressure, claim thrown out.
Only defensive thing:
On July 07 2015 04:39 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2015 04:37 Harkon wrote:
Ritoky, can you tell me with a straight face that people should have townread you for your play prior to the claim? Probably not. Maybe someone who is crazy like Alakaslam would pick up that all I cared about were reads and associations and see the cop claim coming, and maybe someone thinks I am slightly town for ignoring people, but otherwise I should be generally null to everyone except marv.
Which makes sense in a weird way, lots of people are sheeping marv. However, the bolded part strikes me, because from his posts, I cannot see where "all he cared about" were reads and associations.
Next up: the big announcment.
+ Show Spoiler +On July 06 2015 08:41 ritoky wrote:
hi, i am town. i will be back when relevant information is being posted. bye. On July 07 2015 04:08 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2015 04:06 Half the Sky wrote:On June 27 2015 11:35 ritoky wrote:
just a note for anyone who cares, i am not going to post much this game, and do my best not to shitpost....it is hard for me, but don't expect 20 page filters. So you don't have to post much, but providing simple reads with simple explanations doesn't mean we're (or at least I) am scumreading you for having a short filter. A short filter is not why I'm scumreading you. You had the 1 in 3 post which some took issue with. My prior argument where you can still be confident on a scumread doesn't require you have a large filter. Oats came into the thread and did a bunch of stupid shit. 3 people stupidly townread him for doing stupid shit quite quickly. 1 of them is probably mafia handing out an "easy read". As I said, more to come later on which 1 it is. It is pretty simple to follow if you read the thread.
That "I'll explain later" never happens, instead he goes down the martyr road with "well if you don't believe me, kill me." I am not liking this, no way. If he keeps being so controversial and does not contribute in any way, a lynch would be something I'd really like to do. I don't want to mislynch a possible blue. But if he stays alive, let's say, for three, four more days and still is as controversial as he is now, scum has an easy target to pile shit on. The bigger the shit gets, the more townies will grab a hand full and throw it at other townies.
So I'd say don't lynch him day 1. Give him a chance to contribute, give him the chance to deliver what he announced. If day 1 concludes with more bullshit, more oneliners and more "I don't give a fuck but here's a name"-reads, we can go for him D2.
Concluding, my read on him: null with a scum lean. Not sheeping marv.
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this is the first game where in the first 24 hours, noone scumreads me Oo. #justSaying. good night people.
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On July 07 2015 08:40 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2015 08:39 Holyflare wrote:
what kind of mafia makes a list hunting blue's in the thread instead of in his mafia qt this is also a good point
no it's not. note: thus far I only caught up to page 76 which is where I quoted that post from.
I hunted blues in my second game (trying to find masons). I did that as town and I went down the full newbie road. Bluehunter is saying nothing all game long. Then he comes up with that huge post, not being very solid, not following up on anything, but, well, going for blue roles. He's a smurf who called himself bluehunter. I don't buy the "he might be a newb" thing at all, no way, no. Instead, my tinfoilhat senses tell me that he throws that out, wanting people to exactly think what HF just said. like, "you wouldn't do that as mafia". Erm, of course you would. That's the same thought that is behind bussing a teammate. Do something that seemingly does not make sense for your alignment, wait for some naive town to point it out (or a teammate to point it out if no town member does it) and boom, there you go.
I already didn't like this:
On July 06 2015 07:19 Holyflare wrote:
"sweet i got investigator!"
*checks op*
*oh.... "
Someone (don't remember who it was) said that this is a very natural thought. Scenario: you read your role pm, see "oh cool, I'm a blue - damn, I'm just VT". And yes, a similar thought came to my mind - but that happened when I read the OP before the game started. I assume that HF did the very same. We find this pattern of seemingly naive and honest posts in Bluehunter's as well as in Holyflare's playstyle in this game.
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so tl;dr
I don't buy HF's naive claim and I don't think that "making a public list of blues" is not scum indicating.
Tinfoil senses say that both players share the same pattern in terms of such seemingly naive posts, I can see both being scum.
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On July 07 2015 08:55 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2015 08:51 Half the Sky wrote:
Going to check the timestamps to see where it came from for myself, although Trfel really needs to explain himself at this point, what changed his read? Sorry, it's not something I'm going to explain. And there is much more to my LightningStrike scumread than his latest few posts.
Yeah what
##unvote ##vote Trfel
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Also I might refrain from my HF scum lean, the read change from Trfel that he observed was really good. Still need to catch up.
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Narf, okay. Ignore my posts and my vote, gonna ##unvote until I caught up to the thread. I really need to read the full picture before making assumptions. Sorry for the confusion.
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On July 07 2015 19:02 Half the Sky wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2015 18:09 boxerfred wrote:
Also I might refrain from my HF scum lean, the read change from Trfel that he observed was really good. Still need to catch up. I thought it was good when I first saw his post too. But HF is really good at taking things out of context if/when he's scum. Even if he's town the post is flawed because LS' filter showed some reasonable basis for the change. The easiest way to cross check that is to look at LightningStrike's filter against the time stamps provided. It is a little annoying to do because the time stamps are in Korean time but once I did I found three quotes that I objectively found scummy in his filter before Trfel even explained it. (You hit the quote button and you'll find time stamp quoted in KST.)
Finished reading. I don't like HF. The scum lean I explained already, plus what HtS says (not sheeping it, but if we lynch HF and he flips scum, HtS is basically confirmed town for me for the quoted post). In addition to those things, he was responsible for like 1 million posts that were just stupid fight posts. I don't like that, it's artificially lengthens the thread, makes his filter hard to read and derails town efforts.
I'm fine with lynching HF. Thing is, nothing really happened that would make me not vote clarity_nl, my points against him still stand. At this point, there's not too much on him so I'll let go of him but keep him in mind.
##vote Holyflare
HF, I'd like to ask some things.
a) Do you promise to stop shitfighting?
b) Who are your top scum reads?
c) What do you think about Bluehunter?
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marv thoughts on my hf read?
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On July 07 2015 19:40 marvellosity wrote:
he's right in that there's no consistent thread and push to your play.
he's also right that people always think you're much scummier when you're town.
i don't remember you irritating me very much this game. normally you're extremely irritating.
what does that relate to?
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On July 07 2015 19:41 marvellosity wrote:if we're talking about the post on the last page, i'm not sure where in it you showed why it makes him mafia
these ones, please read trough them.
+ Show Spoiler +On July 07 2015 18:00 boxerfred wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2015 08:40 Damdred wrote:On July 07 2015 08:39 Holyflare wrote:
what kind of mafia makes a list hunting blue's in the thread instead of in his mafia qt this is also a good point no it's not. note: thus far I only caught up to page 76 which is where I quoted that post from. I hunted blues in my second game (trying to find masons). I did that as town and I went down the full newbie road. Bluehunter is saying nothing all game long. Then he comes up with that huge post, not being very solid, not following up on anything, but, well, going for blue roles. He's a smurf who called himself bluehunter. I don't buy the "he might be a newb" thing at all, no way, no. Instead, my tinfoilhat senses tell me that he throws that out, wanting people to exactly think what HF just said. like, "you wouldn't do that as mafia". Erm, of course you would. That's the same thought that is behind bussing a teammate. Do something that seemingly does not make sense for your alignment, wait for some naive town to point it out (or a teammate to point it out if no town member does it) and boom, there you go. I already didn't like this: Show nested quote +On July 06 2015 07:19 Holyflare wrote:
"sweet i got investigator!"
*checks op*
*oh.... " Someone (don't remember who it was) said that this is a very natural thought. Scenario: you read your role pm, see "oh cool, I'm a blue - damn, I'm just VT". And yes, a similar thought came to my mind - but that happened when I read the OP before the game started. I assume that HF did the very same. We find this pattern of seemingly naive and honest posts in Bluehunter's as well as in Holyflare's playstyle in this game. On July 07 2015 19:22 boxerfred wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2015 19:02 Half the Sky wrote:On July 07 2015 18:09 boxerfred wrote:
Also I might refrain from my HF scum lean, the read change from Trfel that he observed was really good. Still need to catch up. I thought it was good when I first saw his post too. But HF is really good at taking things out of context if/when he's scum. Even if he's town the post is flawed because LS' filter showed some reasonable basis for the change. The easiest way to cross check that is to look at LightningStrike's filter against the time stamps provided. It is a little annoying to do because the time stamps are in Korean time but once I did I found three quotes that I objectively found scummy in his filter before Trfel even explained it. (You hit the quote button and you'll find time stamp quoted in KST.) Finished reading. I don't like HF. The scum lean I explained already, plus what HtS says (not sheeping it, but if we lynch HF and he flips scum, HtS is basically confirmed town for me for the quoted post). In addition to those things, he was responsible for like 1 million posts that were just stupid fight posts. I don't like that, it's artificially lengthens the thread, makes his filter hard to read and derails town efforts. I'm fine with lynching HF. Thing is, nothing really happened that would make me not vote clarity_nl, my points against him still stand. At this point, there's not too much on him so I'll let go of him but keep him in mind. ##vote HolyflareHF, I'd like to ask some things. a) Do you promise to stop shitfighting? b) Who are your top scum reads? c) What do you think about Bluehunter?
as a tl;dr
- I don't buy the naive claim
- I don't buy the "bluehunter is not scum because he's hunting blues in the public"
- The conjunction of those two things make me extremely suspicious of HF because I think he's an experienced player
- his shitfights
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ebwop:
"The conjunction of those two things make me extremely suspicious of HF because I think he's an experienced player" who I see capable of pulling such plays.
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On July 07 2015 20:22 Palmar wrote:
Tbh, if clarity is mafia it's because in literally the second post in the game he said holyflare claiming VT in the first post of the game is somehow "interesting".
It's not interesting, people do this shit every fucking game and no one should give a fuck. The fact he tried to appear interested in something so completely and obviously worthless (nevermind that HF is the worst "dick around with claims" offender on TL) is actually kinda scummy and the reason I threw my vote on him yesterday.
Like I think it's sort of mafia like but I don't know if I can convince people that calling something interesting that isn't interesting is a solid case for someone being mafia.
I disagree on "noone should give a fuck". Every claim at every point in the game deserves attention. However I agree, pointing out how interesting it is does indicate that clarity wants to put emphasis on the claim - which he did not do. Although he said that due to him, people were talking "5 pages" about the claim which was simply a lie. I pointed that out alread (roughly page 40something I think) and I will point to that again. That's one of the reasons why clarity still is among my top scum reads!
So I'm fine with lynching HF and clarity. I can see that HF is not going to be lynched today although I'm not liking marv yet. He's engaging and discussing, but he's not really making points. However it's day1, he just caught up, so I keep it at a null read and won't lean towards any alignment.
I'll re-go for clarity and I'm fine with anyone who joins me on that.
##unvote ##vote clarity_nl
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Also, worth noting:
I'm fine with jumping a Trfel vote train, too.
I'm fine with a WaveOfShadow lynch. He's not contributing at all, his filter is lackluster, he's engaging in a discussion about effort but refuses to put any effort in himself.
Concluding, top scum reads:
clarity_nl (voted on)
WaveOfShadow
Trfel
Holyflare
My read on HF is admittedly the weakest because it's a lot of #tinfoilhat stuff.
Trfel is on the brink on martyring and made a claim that isn't too great, however I'd prefer to not lynch into un-cc'ed blue.
WaveOfShadow has not put in any effort, spits out oneliners and is not contributing at all.
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+ Show Spoiler +On July 07 2015 20:35 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2015 20:28 Palmar wrote:On July 06 2015 12:46 ruXxar wrote:On July 06 2015 12:40 WaveofShadow wrote:
What has been said about clarity? The way that he hard defended holy fire and then used "but a mafia wouldn't do this" to excuse his actions. I think that sounds pre-planned. I got a scum vibe off that. This guy is town hero btw, I think I already said so. Found this looking for the clarity/WoS thing. But to be fair, WoS did try to somewhat defend Clarity. Although I don't know if that's exactly what marv meant with his thing. My point is this. So Clarity voted Wave at some stage. Wave originally said "clarity is town, tryhard as fuck" later when asked to elaborate on the read by HF, he said That's all that Wave says on Clarity. Clarity goes on to unvote Wave because "he talked a little about his townread on me" so he doens't like the lynch? How on earth is that Wave talking about the townread at all? This is the original reason Clarity voted Wave: Show nested quote +On July 06 2015 08:56 Clarity_nl wrote:
geript, still happy with your vote? Would love to have some reasoning.
In the mean time, WoS gave me a very lazy townread. I'd like to think I always look townie but not a lot of people seem to agree at this point so it smells like he has extra info.
##Vote WaveOfShadow And then Clarity unvotes Wave because Wave says "narp not gonna elaborate" with the explanation that Wave explains the read ? Really? ...
Are you saying clarity is scum and in a team with WoS and they're playing pretty badly? Or are you "only" saying that clarity's unvote does not make any sense, is weak and has no reasoning? What's your conclusion?
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