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ruXxar
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Norway5669 Posts
July 14 2015 21:01 GMT
#6690
On July 15 2015 05:22 Harkon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 15 2015 00:09 Holyflare wrote:
I said ows/oats because it was lazy poe but obi actually being serious is so out of character that he's probably mafia. Oats is probably town for not nking or rbing geript after the whole tmi shit and that whole argument was towny anyway for thinkint along those lines.

This is a very bad read and HF knows better. No matter what Obis alignment is he has been serious as town before and it is absolutely not out of character for him-
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On July 15 2015 00:09 Holyflare wrote:
VA (and expert smurf hunter me says it's va) is probably mafia because he dislikes killing me, a jat shot is so shit in any game that it must be because jat was hinting at being blue and va likes hunting blues.

Ruxxar, you watching? Needless shitflinging once again. Not to mention that HF has killed me as scum multiple times and I basically always get shot if I am town.
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On July 15 2015 00:14 Clarity_nl wrote:
From your perspective, is there anyone who as scum think they can keep you alive and then try to mislynch you/get you shot by town?

There is noone who would keep HF alive because he thinks he can mislynch him.
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On July 15 2015 03:23 Holyflare wrote:
lol @ obi criticism of VA not doing anything, that's just flat out hilarious and major ++++++ scum points


Further shitflinging. Very productive.
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On July 15 2015 03:34 Holyflare wrote:
Like seriously this is the most fake push I've ever seen someone do. Not only is VA a CHRONIC lurker and Obi absolutely knows that to be the case but this post:

On July 15 2015 03:17 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Honestly if you get lynched at this point then you have nobody but yourself to blame. We've given you plenty of opportunities to try to make sense of things and all you do is come up with excuses to not explain things or not post.

Maybe I'm actually mafia and your meta case will break the entire game open.
Maybe I'm actually town and finding the people that agree with a maybe weak case would expose them as mafia.
Maybe you can bring real insight into the game, despite your case.

You're literally not doing any of that and I'm tired of trying to probe you for even the most basic of explanations. I'm voting you tomorrow unless you can produce SOMETHING that makes me think better of you.


just screams that obi thinks VA is actually town??? Everything he says is mafia indicative but it's phrased in such an "i know you're town so do something or i vote you" kind of way it's ridiculous

Complete and utter bullshit. It is normal to talk to people like they are town like this and HF knows it.
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On July 15 2015 04:27 Holyflare wrote:
On July 15 2015 04:26 ruXxar wrote:
Well he seems dead-set on shooting you so there's that :/.
I don't feel good about it but in a way it sort of clears up things.
LS said that he's fairly confident there's 1 mafia between you and rsoul, so if you flip green then we're probably going to lynch rsoul I hope.


if you believe that ls gave obiwanshinobi his gun then you might actually be mafia

Absolutely nonsensical statement.
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On July 15 2015 05:07 Holyflare wrote:
On July 15 2015 05:05 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
On July 15 2015 05:03 Holyflare wrote:
On July 15 2015 05:02 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
On July 15 2015 05:00 Holyflare wrote:
man you guys calling the guy giving the TOWN COP a chance scummy while everyone else did shit all and afk'd

:D :D :D :D :D

get gud guys


I can be reasonable but you throwing scum at me for lame reasons (like tmi) is not going to work.
If I'm not mafia, who is?


i don't see how that's a lame argument at all, your filter is littered with defences of people multiple times at points where i don't think it was apt to defend people


It is lame and you know it.
I hard defend people literally ALL THE TIME in yet now, in THIS game, it's scummy, because ???


how do i know that? i don't read your posts ever because they are largely useless 1 liners that appear randomly at times i don't care about and just poe a team around you, this time you've been poe'd into the scum team and looking at your posts they seem largely unintuitive

i've also already said clarity's list is largely interchangeable with his null reads too so there's that which is quite apparent since it was like what? 2 posts ago? then there's the fact you're far far far too aggressive to people scum reading you for no reason whatsoever, it's a colossal overreaction on every account.

Further needless shitflinging while HF knows that Obi harddefends people as town all the time.


HF is probably mafia.


You seemed to have missed the point I was making earlier.
I never said that I liked HF's attitude or that I approved of it.
I'm not town-reading him for NOT shitflinging.
I'm saying that the way he constructs his arguments against people he's pushing, their content and the way he's expressing them is different from a meta based perspective.

Is it possible he changed his scum meta from one game to the next? sure, it's possible, he's a good player.
However what I've seen from him this game makes me inclined to believe he's town.

"alright guys im claiming my role im actually politician I can manipulate a persons vote during the day phase, used it on clarity last phase and forced him to vote for HF. full role name donald trump, definitely town sided". - EBH
ruXxar
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Norway5669 Posts
July 14 2015 21:29 GMT
#6729
Im thinking primary NK's are Marv, Harkon, LS, HF
"alright guys im claiming my role im actually politician I can manipulate a persons vote during the day phase, used it on clarity last phase and forced him to vote for HF. full role name donald trump, definitely town sided". - EBH
ruXxar
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Norway5669 Posts
July 14 2015 21:32 GMT
#6733
I think those are the 2 strongest / most townread people left in the game.
"alright guys im claiming my role im actually politician I can manipulate a persons vote during the day phase, used it on clarity last phase and forced him to vote for HF. full role name donald trump, definitely town sided". - EBH
ruXxar
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Norway5669 Posts
July 14 2015 21:32 GMT
#6734
Not counting town shots.
"alright guys im claiming my role im actually politician I can manipulate a persons vote during the day phase, used it on clarity last phase and forced him to vote for HF. full role name donald trump, definitely town sided". - EBH
ruXxar
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Norway5669 Posts
July 14 2015 21:36 GMT
#6736
On July 15 2015 06:33 boxerfred wrote:
I think you're a likely target if you're indeed town, too. At least I'd consider shooting you if I were scum.


I'm flattered, but I've had some scum thrown around me.
If scum pushed hard I don't think they would find it impossible to get town consent to lynch me.
"alright guys im claiming my role im actually politician I can manipulate a persons vote during the day phase, used it on clarity last phase and forced him to vote for HF. full role name donald trump, definitely town sided". - EBH
ruXxar
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Norway5669 Posts
July 14 2015 21:38 GMT
#6738
On July 15 2015 06:36 Clarity_nl wrote:
Lol no offense to ruxxar but there's no way he's dying tonight


Hey! I was feeling good there for a second :p
"alright guys im claiming my role im actually politician I can manipulate a persons vote during the day phase, used it on clarity last phase and forced him to vote for HF. full role name donald trump, definitely town sided". - EBH
ruXxar
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Norway5669 Posts
July 14 2015 21:56 GMT
#6757
So here's something I also am thinking about.

From what I saw from damdred it doesn't seem like mafia are actually hard-bussing each other(some say that he likes to do that, but for this exercise I'll assume he didn't)
Using that and some arbitrary measure of what I consider pushing hard / throwing shit at each other I'd say that these people aren't mafia together(either town/town or town/mafia):

HF + Rsoultin.
HF + Trfel.
HF + Obi.
HF + HTS.
HF + Harkon

Ruxx + Trfel.
Ruxx + Rsoultin.

Boxerfred + Clarity.
Boxerfred + Oats.

I might've missed some interactions but yeah.
Not sure if this is a valid line of thought, but I'm thinking that as more mafia flip we can see if this is a tendency that holds true or if they are all just playing individually separate of each other.
"alright guys im claiming my role im actually politician I can manipulate a persons vote during the day phase, used it on clarity last phase and forced him to vote for HF. full role name donald trump, definitely town sided". - EBH
ruXxar
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Norway5669 Posts
July 14 2015 22:23 GMT
#6801
On July 15 2015 07:15 LightningStrike wrote:
BTW we are following my plan: Lynch HF.
##Vote: HF


I'm willing to give him 1 more day.
If he doesn't get killed tonight then sure, lynch him with fire.
"alright guys im claiming my role im actually politician I can manipulate a persons vote during the day phase, used it on clarity last phase and forced him to vote for HF. full role name donald trump, definitely town sided". - EBH
ruXxar
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Norway5669 Posts
July 14 2015 22:29 GMT
#6804
On July 15 2015 07:20 Holyflare wrote:
if you can't tell i'm majorly on tilt this entire game so provoking me or poking me or treating me in any way that makes me non productive will instantly flip me to being a negative ass hole

all i wanted to do was give you guys my read on obi and have fun -.-

so i'll just afk and you can lynch me


Cut the martyr crap HF, you're better than that.
"alright guys im claiming my role im actually politician I can manipulate a persons vote during the day phase, used it on clarity last phase and forced him to vote for HF. full role name donald trump, definitely town sided". - EBH
ruXxar
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Norway5669 Posts
July 14 2015 22:48 GMT
#6821
On July 15 2015 07:44 LightningStrike wrote:
Also don't you guys find it odd that I wasn't NK'd and yet Marv did?


Not really. Sorry LS but there are other people more interested in solving the game.

"alright guys im claiming my role im actually politician I can manipulate a persons vote during the day phase, used it on clarity last phase and forced him to vote for HF. full role name donald trump, definitely town sided". - EBH
ruXxar
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Norway5669 Posts
July 14 2015 23:10 GMT
#6826
On July 15 2015 07:57 LightningStrike wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 15 2015 01:09 ruXxar wrote:
Ok, so I'm thinking that kelsier is going to be a very interesting flip if he's mafia.

Once we have 2 mafia flipped
we can start analyizing inter-mafia behavior and try to glean some information from how they interact(or don't!) with each other.
Until then it's sort of hard to draw any associative patterns between people.


This post screams TMI about KSC because he didn't really say much about KSC prior to that post.
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On July 14 2015 22:42 Holyflare wrote:
It's a good thing kelsier flipped mafia though that makes things easier



HF post here is weird too but I thought he was Mafia prior to that post.



How is that TMI?

I mentioned that I was sceptical of kelsier a few times:
+ Show Spoiler +
On July 09 2015 06:29 ruXxar wrote:
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On July 09 2015 06:06 XEliteBlueHunter69X wrote:
Alright this mz/milo/ritoky thing has been beaten to death.

Anyone that wants to chime in feel free to give me your opinion on

kelsier/breshke/obi



Finally back on my PC, that's great, can read filters n stuff.

Kelsier:
Liked him at the start. Was top townread.
As game went on presence fell off.
Don't understand his response to my rsoultin case. One strange reply then never mentions it again?
The last half of his filter is awful. Appears to be active without actually involving himself.
Has fallen down from Top town to slightly above null.
On July 13 2015 21:41 ruXxar wrote:
I really like the idea that someone brought up that a lot of mafia could be hiding among the lurkers when most of the lynches are "auto".
These are the people that I feel have been invisible enough to be in that group.

Trfel
Wave
Scott
Kelsier
Breshke
Obi
EBH

What's common for all of them is that they never really got into any heavy confrontations that I can remember where they had to defend or push their view.
It's easy for mafia to sit back and soft push people, throwing out names and accusations etc without really trying to push their view onto other people or fight back when they get confronted with their views.
Coupled with low activity and little interest in playing as mafia I feel like there should definitely be at least 1 mafia here if not 2 or more.

Of the people on that list I like EBH and Obi the most, mostly due to the interaction I've had with them.
That's not a very strong point though.
The rest are meh tier.
On July 14 2015 07:18 ruXxar wrote:
Alright let's relax.
Just because milo was town doesn't mean we should automatically go about killing people on his lynch list.
He barely put in any effort, so I doubt he actually had that good reads on people.

Shooting HF is a terrible idea.
If HF is mafia we can deal with him later.

It's better to shoot some of the question marks that aren't going to contribute anyway.
Trfel, scott, wave or perhaps kelsier would be excellent targets imo..


I explained to HTS how the first line and the second paragraph are separate statements can be misinterpreted.
"alright guys im claiming my role im actually politician I can manipulate a persons vote during the day phase, used it on clarity last phase and forced him to vote for HF. full role name donald trump, definitely town sided". - EBH
ruXxar
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Norway5669 Posts
July 14 2015 23:18 GMT
#6829
In general I think that expecting yourself to find mafia scumslips is pretty idiotic.
In my newbie game one of our town players supposedly found a scumslip of geript.
Everyone sheeped him and we lynched our town geript for the most idiotic reason just due to the way he misworded his post.
I don't think I've ever felt as dumb as that and rightfully got scumread for it for flipflopping based on just this 1 "scumslip" when i was very convinced that someone else was scum.

After that I told myself I'll never believe in scumslips again.
"alright guys im claiming my role im actually politician I can manipulate a persons vote during the day phase, used it on clarity last phase and forced him to vote for HF. full role name donald trump, definitely town sided". - EBH
ruXxar
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Norway5669 Posts
July 14 2015 23:22 GMT
#6831
On July 15 2015 07:39 Half the Sky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 06 2015 10:05 KelsierSC wrote:
so i feel i should give where i'm at

my early read was i like damdred but i have felt underwhelemed by how he townread rsoul, that felt pretty weak to me when you compare the other two games

i've started to like clairty based on how he read wave, clarity HAS LOOKED SCUMMY so for wave to read him as town seems weird to me.

geript has shown some buck and been engaged so he feels town i like his response

i have feelings and like my dick is sort of quivvering either way but im not going toi be like yo, fuck you on other people but that is how i feel



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On July 06 2015 12:08 KelsierSC wrote:
im too drunk to play this but last game

damdred and rsoul read eachother as town, and they both had ls as town early

this game damdred has rs as town but ls as mafia but he has rs as town

so something fucked up is happening there

i like geript and i like clarity,
i also like breshke but i dont really know how real this read is

and i dont like Wos as a result of liking clarity, sheeping the fuck

outside of that im fucked to fuck


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On July 07 2015 00:24 KelsierSC wrote:
Here are my initial reads

Clarity - The initial posts weren't great but perhaps he was
just excited to play, I really liked his scum read on WoS, he had pressure
on him but he scumread the one guy sort of townreading him out of nowhere
that felt really good. since then his posting has been solid, comments about
trefl and bf seem alright.

Breshke - I have my own sort of meta read on breshke, then I think his point
about LS , damdreds read and his responses to hf are all good,

hf - he's come right out the gate with pressure on trefl and gotten into a few scraps already.
I also like the mindmeld that he and breshke had when they called rsoul out , the "voting early doesnt mean shit" posts

geript - early tone read felt fiesty, felt town.

oats - I liked the xp read on rsoul initially, been up in people's face


wave - I think calling clarity town at the time he did was
strange and it was like he was purposefully trying to go against thread sentiment.
Clarity has retracted the scum read but I'm not a fan

ritoky - he seems less jokey and less engaged than he was at the
start of himalayas. I was asking marv about the 3 name post and although he has
not seen it as scum, it is different from his town and felt out of place.

trefl - I like hf's case I like the comments clarity made.
sheep case completely


weird love triangle

ok so here is this fucked up triangle

rsoul,damdred and LS

now rsoul and damdred can typically read eachother quickly
and in this game they quickly read eachother as town.

On July 06 2015 08:38 Damdred wrote:
On July 06 2015 08:35 KelsierSC wrote:
Damdred why is rsoul town

do work


It's a bit of a gut/tone read I have going on her. Her little spat with clarity she was a bit of a pita and her not hostility but uhhh exaggeration makes me feel it's town rd, plus the follow up makes me feel it


and rsoul

On July 06 2015 08:01 rsoultin wrote:
On July 06 2015 08:00 Clarity_nl wrote:
Can't help but notice that your vote is on me geript.


lol well i don't really blame him xP with the way you climbed right up hf's ass first post of the game

daaaaaamdy trash tier new method says ls town. so is my method just really trash or are you wrong on ls? xP

to me that looks like someone talking to a town read.

anyway

damdred has LS as mafia early on.

On July 06 2015 07:49 Damdred wrote:
Oh carp... ls why did you roll scum?


develops this around laziness and the flip-flop on scott.

now I remember initially I liked this read, it felt good
but wine induced me felt unsure of it later on especially when LS
responded about how you catch scott later on,

so if rsoul and damdred are both town and they read eachother
correctly maybe rsoul is just wrong on LS and damdred is right.
damdred certainly sounded the most confident.

but if LS is town, and i'm really undecided on this. then why is damdred wrong
but rsoul right, especially at the time those reads were given rsoul had no business calling LS town.

I think one of those 3 is mafia because it just doesn't click right now.


Independently of this I haven't really liked rsoul but I have nothing new to add to points raised by hf/marv/oats


So Damdred and KSC did quite a bit of double bussing (!!!) D1. Both pushed on Wave but the pushes went nowhere, not sure if that could/would/should be alignment indicative either way considering WoS has not done much this game.

Bottom of page 4 of his filter - you have a soft push on BF. Interesting. Given BF's play this game though I'm not sure that's alignment indicative.

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On July 08 2015 00:30 KelsierSC wrote:
Here's my list right now

Town
hf
breshke
clarity
oats
geript
harkon
LS

scum
trfel
ritoky
damdred
bluehunter
milo
wave

Everyone else I have leans on but this is my head right now.


In between those sets of reads you have a few soft pushes on EBH and Trfel. He's scumreading ritoky and LS the whole time but obv now we know what those latter two are.

Day 2 reads -

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On July 14 2015 09:19 KelsierSC wrote:
Hf and boxer feel like town to me i wouldnt lynch them

i'd look at scott, trefl and WoS tomorrow

or a vigi shot


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On July 14 2015 09:37 KelsierSC wrote:
On July 14 2015 09:27 ruXxar wrote:
On July 14 2015 09:19 KelsierSC wrote:
Hf and boxer feel like town to me i wouldnt lynch them

i'd look at scott, trefl and WoS tomorrow

or a vigi shot



Can you qualify your reads?


hf is a tone read to me, i can't fully explain it but i see hf posting about fucking everything in teh game and it feels like town. yeh he can spam as scum. but he feels like town. plus he mindmelded with marv, who is also town. and it reminded me of some other faggot game where the two of them melded to form a titanical robot of doom until marv replaces with some noob ass bitch called koshi.

bf is the same kind of thing, he is around the game and i like what I see. I think his hf fight is just because their aren't many people who give a fuck about the game so when two people who actually care get involved they sort of gith eachother.


scott, it's a "saved" post I made plus a lot of one liners where he tries to get people to fight with eachother.

On July 08 2015 05:35 scott31337 wrote:
Meat ninja voted for Clarity
On July 08 2015 05:26 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
##Vote: Clarity_nl





On July 08 2015 06:12 scott31337 wrote:
Rsoul's back
Can we lynch her now Harkon?


On July 08 2015 06:57 KelsierSC wrote:
On July 08 2015 06:57 scott31337 wrote:
We have 14.

98% sure BM flips wanderer though


saved


WoS, like that is just a D1 read, his read on "clarity is town " when he has no beez in teh trap business calling clarity town. since then, has he done shit, no, like even i have said more and i hasvent given a fuck for 2 days.

I honestly need to read trefl again. this is from the early game and i ahvent seen anything that made me change my read so i need to double check that and see.

but i'd go for scott or wave over him



Might be WIFOM here but based on Damdred and KSC filters Wave is probably town. Really not a whole lot of additional information since we already know where Damdred and LS stand, and Trfel and BF reads seem to be a little more definitive than before...

Gah was hoping for more, but go friggin figure...


From the quotes you excerpted here I'm inclined to agree that there's a low chance that WoS is scum.
I'm going to take a look for myself and see what else I can find.
"alright guys im claiming my role im actually politician I can manipulate a persons vote during the day phase, used it on clarity last phase and forced him to vote for HF. full role name donald trump, definitely town sided". - EBH
ruXxar
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Norway5669 Posts
July 14 2015 23:24 GMT
#6833
On July 15 2015 08:21 LightningStrike wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 15 2015 08:18 ruXxar wrote:
In general I think that expecting yourself to find mafia scumslips is pretty idiotic.
In my newbie game one of our town players supposedly found a scumslip of geript.
Everyone sheeped him and we lynched our town geript for the most idiotic reason just due to the way he misworded his post.
I don't think I've ever felt as dumb as that and rightfully got scumread for it for flipflopping based on just this 1 "scumslip" when i was very convinced that someone else was scum.

After that I told myself I'll never believe in scumslips again.

I actually seen some scumslips before(Mainly in my 3rd game ever when we had someone claimed roleblocked when you weren't even notified that you been roleblocked in Carol of the bells Mafia)


Well that is someone lying about game mechanics.
That is different from the semantics of how you express yourself.
"alright guys im claiming my role im actually politician I can manipulate a persons vote during the day phase, used it on clarity last phase and forced him to vote for HF. full role name donald trump, definitely town sided". - EBH
ruXxar
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Norway5669 Posts
July 15 2015 11:49 GMT
#6882
Ok, so I'm trying to compare the reads of both Kelsier and Damdred.

Here are their reads for reference:

Kelsier:
+ Show Spoiler +
Town:

Clarity
Breshke
HF
Geript
Oats
harkon
LS

Scum:

Wave
ritoky
Trfel
damdred
milo
EBH


Damdred:
+ Show Spoiler +
Town:

Ruxx
Marv
Kelsier
HF
HTS
Palmar


Scumreads(strength):

LS - (very strong).
Clarity (strong).
Ritoky (medium)
Trfel (weak)
Wave (very weak).


It's really strange how their town-reads are completely different with the exception of HF.
So if they're covering up for someone the only one they have in common is HF.
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Why damdred thought HF was town:
Hf: I'm scared of him bit he seems a lot more involved early and seems to be pushing things from a good angle to me. He doesn't sound really stinky to me atm so I'm ok with him being town here.

Why kelsier thought HF was town:
hf - he's come right out the gate with pressure on trefl and gotten into a few scraps already.
I also like the mindmeld that he and breshke had when they called rsoul out , the "voting early doesnt mean shit" posts
hf is a tone read to me, i can't fully explain it but i see hf posting about fucking everything in teh game and it feels like town. yeh he can spam as scum. but he feels like town. plus he mindmelded with marv, who is also town. and it reminded me of some other faggot game where the two of them melded to form a titanical robot of doom until marv replaces with some noob ass bitch called koshi.

They don't really talk about HFs alignment at all besides this.
Its possible that they just threw their mafia partner in there to give him a town pass for weak reasons, and with the way a lot of people have been scum-reading HF this could hold some merit.




On the other side of the coin, we have the people that they both scum-read.

Wave:
+ Show Spoiler +
Why damdred scum-read wave:
I think wave is scum because of lack of cares but meh.


Why kelsier scum-read wave:
I think calling clarity town at the time he did was
strange and it was like he was purposefully trying to go against thread sentiment.
Clarity has retracted the scum read but I'm not a fan

Very weak reasons and an easy target to throw scum on with the way he's been afk all game.
It makes me think it's less likely that wave is mafia, but it's not out of the question.


Trfel:
+ Show Spoiler +

Why damdred scum-read trfel:
Trfel doesn't care to me when I look at the game more than likely is scum

Why kelsier scum-read trfel:
trefl - I like hf's case I like the comments clarity made.
sheep case completely

And they barely talk about him again.
This seems like an incredibly easy jump on a mis-lynch target.
It's making me evaluate my worlds a bit and I'm more inclined to think that trfel is town after this even though I don't like his play this game.
This case is even stronger than wave's case because Trfel was actually up for vote and was pushed real hard as opposed to wave who people just poked here and there.
"alright guys im claiming my role im actually politician I can manipulate a persons vote during the day phase, used it on clarity last phase and forced him to vote for HF. full role name donald trump, definitely town sided". - EBH
ruXxar
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Norway5669 Posts
July 15 2015 12:20 GMT
#6883
@Followup:

Looking into what HF has said about both damdred and kelsier we find this:

Kelsier:
+ Show Spoiler +
Had him as a town-read throughout most of the game.
Said that he was different from last game but still might be town.
Said he would be good to lynch as an alternative to scott due to afk.

TMI?(before kelsier flip)
On July 14 2015 22:42 Holyflare wrote:
It's a good thing kelsier flipped mafia though that makes things easier

I would say that this is pretty vague tbh. I don't see anything to really support a HF -> Kelsier connection besides maybe the TMI.


Damdred:
+ Show Spoiler +
Had damdred on first read list as town.
Later switched as he said damdreds reads were poor.
Agreed that damdred was not towny, but unsure whether PR or mafia.


I find very little here from HF's side to suggest that he's aligned with both of them, but he could just good at hiding it.
I still read HF as town in an isolated perspective, but his martyr crap is pissing me off.
"alright guys im claiming my role im actually politician I can manipulate a persons vote during the day phase, used it on clarity last phase and forced him to vote for HF. full role name donald trump, definitely town sided". - EBH
ruXxar
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Norway5669 Posts
July 15 2015 12:31 GMT
#6885
On July 15 2015 11:33 XEliteBlueHunter69X wrote:
who has been more correct in this game then me? Town lynching their most aware player would be pretty funny though so ill allow it.

Being right is more indicative of being mafia than town, I don't see why we shouldn't scum read you for being right when no one but mafia has perfect information.
"alright guys im claiming my role im actually politician I can manipulate a persons vote during the day phase, used it on clarity last phase and forced him to vote for HF. full role name donald trump, definitely town sided". - EBH
ruXxar
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Norway5669 Posts
July 15 2015 12:41 GMT
#6887
On July 15 2015 21:31 Clarity_nl wrote:
Hey Breshke and RuXxar, do either of you think the other one is scum?

Breshke has pretty much been a null to me the entire game.
Can't really remember anything about him or any influence he has had on anything
The only thing I remember was our short interaction about my rsoultin read where he came off as a bit abrasive.

I skimmed his filter earlier and got a slight town vibe, but I'd have to read it more in depth to give you a definite answer.
From what I can remember right now I don't have a good reason to lynch breshke, but I don't have a good reason to not lynch him either.

He's in my lurker group of would lynch and that's pretty much it.
"alright guys im claiming my role im actually politician I can manipulate a persons vote during the day phase, used it on clarity last phase and forced him to vote for HF. full role name donald trump, definitely town sided". - EBH
ruXxar
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Norway5669 Posts
July 15 2015 12:42 GMT
#6888
On July 15 2015 21:39 Clarity_nl wrote:
It's not a difficult question.


?
"alright guys im claiming my role im actually politician I can manipulate a persons vote during the day phase, used it on clarity last phase and forced him to vote for HF. full role name donald trump, definitely town sided". - EBH
ruXxar
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Norway5669 Posts
July 15 2015 13:36 GMT
#6891
On July 15 2015 22:06 rsoultin wrote:
eh prob that you take ages to answer any question directed at you ruxx lol >< i've generally been chalking it up to not being a native english speaker, but it could be easily construed as either avoiding the question or being too careful with your wording

you've been hard-defending/hard-townreading hf all game practically? (i know you claim that you haven't, but taking up shit reasons to call me scum that basically involve "obstructing" hf is pretty much the same thing xP unless you're a supremely illogical person)

like, it's nice that you're doing work and all with the flipped scum filters, but you don't seem to really be getting anywhere with them? why so cool all of a sudden on hf? too me it looks a whole lot like you're just setting up to vote him if he doesn't come back while making it easy to not lynch him if he does -_- does the martyring make you think he's less town or are you just "pissed"?


How am I avoiding questions when I'm answering them?
I know I take a long reason answering questions and there's a good reason for that.
I don't want to say stupid stuff that's going to come back to bite me in the ass later and get me mis-lynched.
What good does it serve me if I have to go back and explain all the errors I made in my statements when I can just get it right the first time?
It's a waste of my time and does not help us get anywhere.

I don't town-read HF any less for his martyring, but I dislike martyring strongly.
In honor of the spirit of the game you should never quit and go against your win condition.
I know it's easy to take the high road here, but I don't see how you can play this game and not expect to have to deal with hardships.

What pisses me off especially about HF is how I KNOW that he is good at defending himself if he wants to.
I was mafia with him last game, I've seen first hand what he's capable of.
I was expecting more out of him, but I don't read it as scummy behavior.

In fact, I think it makes him even more towny.
I think that if HF was scum he would feel an obligation to his mafia team to never give up.
From playing and talking with him last game that is what my gut tells me that HF would do.
Just look at how he fought against the tides with the red-check on him for such a long time when people kept bringing up the same logic over and over against him.
I don't see mafia HF giving up this easily.
"alright guys im claiming my role im actually politician I can manipulate a persons vote during the day phase, used it on clarity last phase and forced him to vote for HF. full role name donald trump, definitely town sided". - EBH
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