EPTOn July 15 2015 01:14 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Stop calling me mafia guys.
Like really.
Stop calling me mafia guys.
Like really.
I'm not. Apparently Oats and HF think you are...
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I'm not. Apparently Oats and HF think you are... | ||
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But how does he think LS is null when KP's verified that there is a gunsmith? He'd have to believe that LS and I are on a scumteam together for one thing and that the real gunsmith didn't claim....I mean, someone grab the tinfoil hat please.... | ||
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On July 15 2015 01:17 Oatsmaster wrote: Can I just clarify this? You are saying that you townread damdred, until people started questioning his lynch? Or until people started questioning the people damdred pushed. Cause he wasnt lynched off his pushes. He was lynched cause he got tracked. My thought process was this - this was prior to the track claim Early in the game we were talking about WoS. I told Marv that the ONLY reason I was TRing WoS was meta based on the fact that town WoS does little and plays a poor town game and that scum WoS based on his play in NSM11 was more active, more dickish, etc. I crosschecked that meta in thread and OWS and Marv - both of whom were townreading at that time - said that the meta was true. And if that held true, then that geript and KSC had reason or were onto Damdred not being as town and that's around the time I started doubting Damdred. TLDR - the latter. | ||
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On July 15 2015 01:20 Clarity_nl wrote: As much as I want to kill him scum for that horrendous list, I think it's more likely bad town. Like how does scum post that list? I had a townread on him prior to the list so... guess I'll stick to it. List is terrible tho. Normally I hate the too scum to be scum argument but then I also just realized with BF is that he is at least 30-40 pages behind every time he's in so it's very possible he could have missed the LS claim. But if he's examined it, it's just pretty out there.....ehhhhh and then again his scumhunting in general is pretty bad. You're probably right. | ||
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On July 15 2015 01:30 ObiWanShinobi wrote: I already stated that I won't lynch ruxx because of the whole "lack of paranoia" thing. I really don't think Wave is mafia because I can't see him being this apathetic but he probably needs to be shot/lynched anyway if he isn't going to play. Who else? Vivax, Breshke and Boxerfred are also names being thrown around. | ||
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On July 15 2015 01:34 ruXxar wrote: Not sure at all. It wouldn't surprise me though. Like I've mentioned earlier he's acted really weird after D1, and his filter after D1 is really awful imo. Alright you did say "if he's mafia" but second sentence initially led me to believe you are expecting KSC to flip as mafia. But given how you've been posting some obvious statements through this game I'm probably wrong and you're doing the same here too. | ||
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Furthermore, I read through OWS's Aperture 4 filter, and there was plenty of sarcasm, lols, etc in that filter. If HF meant serious as opposed to easygoing, then I'd say the first half of that filter there are definitely posts where he's more serious than others, I mean he has to act like he's finding scum but he's definitely not uptight and there are posts where he seems relaxed and doesn't appear to give too many cares, so if he's getting that from Aperture 4 I'm going to have to disagree with him. I would recommend reading the Aperture 4 filter and then coming to a judgement if you really are tentative on scum OWS. If you're getting that from filters in his earlier games, then.....I'd argue it's not reliable cause it was quite long time ago, unless you play with OWS off site or have some other information I'm not aware of. | ||
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I mean, like I said irregardless of Holyflare's alignment I would not shoot into OWS. Oats saying that OWS is not memorable however is a different argument that can be investigated separately. | ||
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Definitely not complaining about the modkill lmao! GGs all of you. | ||
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On July 06 2015 10:05 KelsierSC wrote: so i feel i should give where i'm at my early read was i like damdred but i have felt underwhelemed by how he townread rsoul, that felt pretty weak to me when you compare the other two games i've started to like clairty based on how he read wave, clarity HAS LOOKED SCUMMY so for wave to read him as town seems weird to me. geript has shown some buck and been engaged so he feels town i like his response i have feelings and like my dick is sort of quivvering either way but im not going toi be like yo, fuck you on other people but that is how i feel On July 06 2015 12:08 KelsierSC wrote: im too drunk to play this but last game damdred and rsoul read eachother as town, and they both had ls as town early this game damdred has rs as town but ls as mafia but he has rs as town so something fucked up is happening there i like geript and i like clarity, i also like breshke but i dont really know how real this read is and i dont like Wos as a result of liking clarity, sheeping the fuck outside of that im fucked to fuck On July 07 2015 00:24 KelsierSC wrote: Here are my initial reads Clarity - The initial posts weren't great but perhaps he was just excited to play, I really liked his scum read on WoS, he had pressure on him but he scumread the one guy sort of townreading him out of nowhere that felt really good. since then his posting has been solid, comments about trefl and bf seem alright. Breshke - I have my own sort of meta read on breshke, then I think his point about LS , damdreds read and his responses to hf are all good, hf - he's come right out the gate with pressure on trefl and gotten into a few scraps already. I also like the mindmeld that he and breshke had when they called rsoul out , the "voting early doesnt mean shit" posts geript - early tone read felt fiesty, felt town. oats - I liked the xp read on rsoul initially, been up in people's face wave - I think calling clarity town at the time he did was strange and it was like he was purposefully trying to go against thread sentiment. Clarity has retracted the scum read but I'm not a fan ritoky - he seems less jokey and less engaged than he was at the start of himalayas. I was asking marv about the 3 name post and although he has not seen it as scum, it is different from his town and felt out of place. trefl - I like hf's case I like the comments clarity made. sheep case completely weird love triangle ok so here is this fucked up triangle rsoul,damdred and LS now rsoul and damdred can typically read eachother quickly and in this game they quickly read eachother as town. and rsoul to me that looks like someone talking to a town read. anyway damdred has LS as mafia early on. develops this around laziness and the flip-flop on scott. now I remember initially I liked this read, it felt good but wine induced me felt unsure of it later on especially when LS responded about how you catch scott later on, so if rsoul and damdred are both town and they read eachother correctly maybe rsoul is just wrong on LS and damdred is right. damdred certainly sounded the most confident. but if LS is town, and i'm really undecided on this. then why is damdred wrong but rsoul right, especially at the time those reads were given rsoul had no business calling LS town. I think one of those 3 is mafia because it just doesn't click right now. Independently of this I haven't really liked rsoul but I have nothing new to add to points raised by hf/marv/oats So Damdred and KSC did quite a bit of double bussing (!!!) D1. Both pushed on Wave but the pushes went nowhere, not sure if that could/would/should be alignment indicative either way considering WoS has not done much this game. Bottom of page 4 of his filter - you have a soft push on BF. Interesting. Given BF's play this game though I'm not sure that's alignment indicative. On July 08 2015 00:30 KelsierSC wrote: Here's my list right now Town hf breshke clarity oats geript harkon LS scum trfel ritoky damdred bluehunter milo wave Everyone else I have leans on but this is my head right now. In between those sets of reads you have a few soft pushes on EBH and Trfel. He's scumreading ritoky and LS the whole time but obv now we know what those latter two are. Day 2 reads - On July 14 2015 09:19 KelsierSC wrote: Hf and boxer feel like town to me i wouldnt lynch them i'd look at scott, trefl and WoS tomorrow or a vigi shot On July 14 2015 09:37 KelsierSC wrote: hf is a tone read to me, i can't fully explain it but i see hf posting about fucking everything in teh game and it feels like town. yeh he can spam as scum. but he feels like town. plus he mindmelded with marv, who is also town. and it reminded me of some other faggot game where the two of them melded to form a titanical robot of doom until marv replaces with some noob ass bitch called koshi. bf is the same kind of thing, he is around the game and i like what I see. I think his hf fight is just because their aren't many people who give a fuck about the game so when two people who actually care get involved they sort of gith eachother. scott, it's a "saved" post I made plus a lot of one liners where he tries to get people to fight with eachother. WoS, like that is just a D1 read, his read on "clarity is town " when he has no beez in teh trap business calling clarity town. since then, has he done shit, no, like even i have said more and i hasvent given a fuck for 2 days. I honestly need to read trefl again. this is from the early game and i ahvent seen anything that made me change my read so i need to double check that and see. but i'd go for scott or wave over him Might be WIFOM here but based on Damdred and KSC filters Wave is probably town. Really not a whole lot of additional information since we already know where Damdred and LS stand, and Trfel and BF reads seem to be a little more definitive than before... Gah was hoping for more, but go friggin figure... | ||
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On July 15 2015 07:44 LightningStrike wrote: Also don't you guys find it odd that I wasn't NK'd and yet Marv did? Actually, not at all. He has more influence than you and truth be told, he's a better player and a bigger threat. You are confirmed but the bigger threats have to go and you have no more guns left anyhow. | ||
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On July 15 2015 07:57 LightningStrike wrote: This post screams TMI about KSC because he didn't really say much about KSC prior to that post. HF post here is weird too but I thought he was Mafia prior to that post. I thought HF was trolling, IDK. But yeh I asked about that post to ruXxar earlier....and now that's he's flipped I do wonder if that may have been a scumslip although he did say it was two separate statements. The word "once" really has me on edge but this is also a non-native speaker we're dealing with. If vs once. One is conditional, the latter definitive. | ||
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On July 16 2015 00:05 ruXxar wrote: Here's vivax progression in reads on Trfel in chronological order: Response to holyflare's case on Trfel: Then says he doesn't want to lynch trfel because trfel posted some useless content. Then he goes on to berate HF's push on trfel. Then he suddenly decides that trfel can die anyway. Then asked who he want to lynch he says his top scum after geript is trfel.. Now he suddenly thinks Trfel should "possibly" be lynched. Then he's irritated that HF dropped his suspicions of trfel: Then he wants to lynch trfel again: Then he's like nope: He seems pretty erratic with regards to his stance on trfel. It's like he's trying to create a narrative of having a dynamic change in stance on trfel but it's so inconsistent I find it hard to believe that it's genuine. Are you taking into account the context as to why each of these steps are happening? You're not looking at Trfel's activity relative to these reads and Vivax retracted because of the amount of content not the quality of content. Then you're saying he can "suddenly" decide that Trfel can die? Look at the timestamps, that's a day or so later. I mean is he changing his stance a lot? Yes. Are there reasons for his changes in stance? Nearly every time, yes, namely Trfel's activity, for one thing (I mean just look at the gaps in the timestamps, it's apparent it's long enough and reasonable to keep reconsidering Trfel's status in the game the longer his inactivity goes on from a town standpoint and he wasn't the only one anyhow. Marv even voiced reservation and so did Harkon.) Nowhere, do you consider why. If you want to criticise those reasons that's another thing, but overall this case and the next paragraph you have on Vivax are pretty poor, even the geript thing, I can see a town Vivax trying to meta read geript and fail to get that across. I scumread him initially for that push on geript but now that re-evaluated in the context of all his gameplay it doesn't seem so bad. And not saying you're wrong on geript, doesn't mean anything, that's NAI, most veterans are intelligent enough to drop a scumlean once a tracker claim is verified. TLDR - your cases are poor, I think you're taking things out of context, and I think you are pushing him for poor reasons. what you are saying does not exclusively make him scum, and in the context of his later game play he's a slight townlean. If you are scum - I want to look into what Breshke said on you on 341 if I ever get the time today - this would be one of the reasons. | ||
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That said, his read is within the realm of possibilities (believable) for his experience with me but it is wrong. His read on me does not make him scum. I do not however, understand why he is scumreading Oats. I think even Vivax asked him that too. I have him as town. | ||
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