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On July 08 2015 12:11 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
1) Doesn't matter. He might not have thought BM was mafia. He still voted BM to save himself which is pretty much exactly what I would expect and "overplaying it" is irrelevant.
2) Your point on him doubting your claim doesn't mean a whole lot. People doubt claims. It's normal.
3) I don't see how what MZ said to HF means that he can only be interacting with a scum partner. I thought the same thing about Hf's post, so why am I not mafia for saying something similar?
4) There's no fence there. I don't really see the issue with this post. I thought the same thing about the Rso/HF fight.
5) Again, the fact that he doubts claims isn't weird.
The best aspect of your case is that he was inactive until he was about to be lynched. That's it. If he continues to fail to participate then he will be lynched for it, not because of the other points you brought up.
no it isn't.
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On July 08 2015 18:07 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2015 17:40 Clarity_nl wrote:On July 08 2015 17:17 Oatsmaster wrote:On July 08 2015 16:06 Clarity_nl wrote:On July 08 2015 16:02 Oatsmaster wrote:On July 08 2015 16:01 Clarity_nl wrote:
I'm happy with the switch to BM btw, I'm fairly confident MZ is town just by his whole "I don't wanna lynch BM" which I just don't see happening from scum. Scum would have voted BM and stopped talking at the first hint of town wanting to switch. How about he knew that his posts meant absolutely nothing and werent gonna convince anyone. It doesn't matter. When you are scum and there's only one way to not die you take it. He didn't take it and did some non-sensical waffle thing. Are you even looking at the votes? BM got lynched by a huge margin in the end. Yeah, that's what happens when you look at the votes and not the context. The switch barely happened. I remember someone asking "should we switch back?!" when we had about 11 minutes left, and MZ was still not on BM. It was only a landslide once we hit 13 when people switched to make sure a lynch happened. But MZ is town because he didnt switch when he didnt need to switch. That makes perfect sense. Actually I just wanna ask you, as of now, would you prefer that we lynched MZ instead?
That's actually kinda tough to answer.
I think I'm confident enough in MZ being town that I'd rather have lynched BM even knowing he would flip town. Maybe that makes me bad.
The questions you're asking me are kinda pointless tho.
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marv did you switch to BM because you thought he was the better lynch or because you were pressured into it/didn't want to risk no-lynching?
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On July 08 2015 13:31 XEliteBlueHunter69X wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2015 13:15 Oatsmaster wrote:On July 08 2015 13:02 XEliteBlueHunter69X wrote:
I am confused as to why we lynched an easily confirmable role that had already claimed but I digress. I will share additional thoughts shortly. So whats the difference between wanderer and scum carrying kp, or a scum doing other stuff? Also we might not even have a tracker? well the odds of a wanderer going somewhere that was KP'ed is incredibly slim in such a big game. the question isn't whether we have the role or not, its the opportunity that we had the role. Its just a very meh cop out lynch that could have been solved as the game went on. lynches are too valuable in large games like this where later in the game scum can actually swing and control them quite easily.
I'm terribly glad you showed all that care about it at the time then.
oh.
awks.
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On July 08 2015 18:29 Clarity_nl wrote:
marv did you switch to BM because you thought he was the better lynch or because you were pressured into it/didn't want to risk no-lynching?
i didn't think he was the better lynch, no
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Really fucking hate people who bitch about lynches while not giving a fuck about it themselves.
makes me want to shoot them in the face.
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You didn't stop the switch, though. Like you kinda umm'd and ahh'd and let it happen.
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On July 08 2015 18:31 marvellosity wrote:
Really fucking hate people who bitch about lynches while not giving a fuck about it themselves.
makes me want to shoot them in the face.
Huh? Is that directed at me?
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On July 08 2015 18:32 Clarity_nl wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2015 18:31 marvellosity wrote:
Really fucking hate people who bitch about lynches while not giving a fuck about it themselves.
makes me want to shoot them in the face. Huh? Is that directed at me?
no it was at EBD, fairly obviously.
and no i didn't do anything about the switch, do you expect me to have massively persuasive arguments in favour/against either MZ or BM?
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On July 08 2015 18:33 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2015 18:32 Clarity_nl wrote:On July 08 2015 18:31 marvellosity wrote:
Really fucking hate people who bitch about lynches while not giving a fuck about it themselves.
makes me want to shoot them in the face. Huh? Is that directed at me? no it was at EBD, fairly obviously. and no i didn't do anything about the switch, do you expect me to have massively persuasive arguments in favour/against either MZ or BM?
Fair point. So if there's no strong argument for or against, why do you think MZ was the better lynch?
How do you feel about him now? Just trying to get a sense.
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I thought how MZ was bringing up alternative lynches based on reading 20% of the thread was very weird. Why is he suggesting lynches when he's basically missed everything? You can probably grasp this from my line of questioning at the time.
Then... HF? said something about it being more likely for MZ just to switch to BM which I kinda bought at the time, but now I'm not so sure.
tldr; still don't really know
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like if you're reading the thread and it's lynch time and you're desperately looking for a lynch, i'd think you should be filtering the 2-3 people you think you might want to lynch, rather than reading another few pages of the 70 you are still behind
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Right, but his reads were in fact based on early day 1 which kinda suggests he didn't read the thread which makes it more likely he's telling the truth about not being around until EoD.
I guess that's NAI... but I think if you roll scum and you come back with an hour or so before deadline is your approach really to vote your first scumread, then argue in thread about how the only lynch other than you is bad?
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On July 08 2015 18:39 Clarity_nl wrote:
Right, but his reads were in fact based on early day 1 which kinda suggests he didn't read the thread which makes it more likely he's telling the truth about not being around until EoD.
I guess that's NAI... but I think if you roll scum and you come back with an hour or so before deadline is your approach really to vote your first scumread, then argue in thread about how the only lynch other than you is bad?
why not? it's the kind of thing i'd do. MZ is a clever, sneaky boy.
the absolute best way NOT to look like scum is not just to go "omg, vote to save myself"
people were all over MZ. what would have happened to MZ if he just goes "well fuck i'm behind, we'll just kill BM"
I'd argue things would have gone a lot worse for him.
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On July 08 2015 14:56 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Well marv told him to sheep him.
Which is usually enough for almost anyone, so I don't know if that read flip is as damning as I first thought.
yes. And Clarity has a thing (more than most ppl) for sheeping me at moments like that. For which i love him.
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I mean if I show up THAT late and notice I've rolled scum there's a good chance I would only put in effort if I survived the lynch, not before. But I can't expect MZ to be the same as me. It's still a townlean for me, but you have a point
Anyway I'm around for most of the day, but I'm not gonna do heavy filter diving or anything until tonight.
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On July 08 2015 18:47 Clarity_nl wrote:
I mean if I show up THAT late and notice I've rolled scum there's a good chance I would only put in effort if I survived the lynch, not before. But I can't expect MZ to be the same as me. It's still a townlean for me, but you have a point
Anyway I'm around for most of the day, but I'm not gonna do heavy filter diving or anything until tonight.
he would have died otherwise.
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i kinda wish i'd hardpushed MZ at the end just to see what would have happened.
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I don't subscribe to the "he did it because it was the most convoluted way to make him live" argument to be honest. Just seems way less likely than the simpler explanation. He told the truth about not knowing the game had started and he just kinda frantically read the thread and gave our reads as he went, that seems like town to me.
Would you still want to lynch him tomorrow?
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your explanation isn't the simpler explanation
he needed to live
just sheeping on BM makes it much more likely he dies
it's not complicated at all
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