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On July 12 2015 14:16 scott31337 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2015 13:40 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
I'm losing all motivation to play this game. It's too goddamn big at this point and it's barely day 3.
I'm really hoping milo and scott are mafia because, if they're not, I'm afraid I'm never going to find more mafia.
Do we even have more scumreads outside of those two? This is a pretty bad idea - I just was filter diving on who talked about/with Damdred - You, Boxer, Trfel and Milo looked the worst, and Breshke, HalfTheSky and Vivax look much more interactive with him. What do you think of Boxerfred?
WTF? I'm really lost here....Damdred interactions were pretty damn limited and the names you mentioned (aside from Milo) are not ringing a bell at ALL (the ones you have as worst).
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I just glossed through Damdred's filter - he's hardpushing Trfel (how does that make him look bad???) and the ONE interaction he has with BF is NAI on BF.
Quicksearch on OWS in his filter shows jack all. What on earth are you talking about?
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Vivax didn't really interact with him, he called him out for his reads.....this is such BS.
I'm done for this morning. Didn't get through the entire filter, but I really don't like these last two quips from Scott.
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On July 12 2015 14:43 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2015 14:41 Half the Sky wrote:
I just glossed through Damdred's filter - he's hardpushing Trfel (how does that make him look bad???) and the ONE interaction he has with BF is NAI on BF.
Quicksearch on OWS in his filter shows jack all. What on earth are you talking about? He's talking about what I said to Damdred, I suppose. The nice thing about having a short filter and always spelling people's names correctly is that you can easily find every time I mention a person. I liked Damdred's early scumread of LightningStrike, and didn't want to lynch him Day 1 (voted for ritoky instead). I thought you were going to sleep now? 
I just did a quicksearch on BF's filter and there's hardly anything on damdred there until the track claim. Nothing that I'd consider indicative between those two prior to the claim.
Quicksearch on OWS showed he didn't like Damdred, minimal if any interaction. It's still BS.
Also still raises the question that if Scott is looking into your filter, what about Damdred's hardpush on you (in his filter, not yours) makes you look bad or should that adjust his read? From a town perspective, well I know what I'd think knowing Damdred's scum play but from Scott's perspective, I'm not sure where his head was on that.
His statement is still poor.
And now I really need to get going.
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On July 12 2015 20:13 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2015 20:07 Breshke wrote:
from my quick skim noone seems to mention my name when considering the lurkers so its probably a bad sign because when people remember i exist they will probs want to lynch me.
Have you worked out how to read bluehunter vivax or is it just dope because you have no idea how to read him still? Not a very fleshed out read yet, but his posts give me the feeling that he wants to try to sound innocent.
I could buy this especially since I've had a null read on him for ages with the concern much of his comments could be coming from either alignment.
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On July 12 2015 23:33 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2015 06:43 scott31337 wrote:
I'll switch if needed but I believe the wanderer claim without CC This is a post I really can't understand. He believes the claim but still wants to lynch? Meh. That's so illogical makes me think he only wanted to appease those who wanted BM. Damdred also decided to go for BM instead, for no apparent reasons. He didn't post much at all in that phase.
Vivax you ninjaed me was just going to ask what you thought about Scott. MZ had a good post here:
On July 11 2015 06:05 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Biggest problem for me was his actions around the BM lynch where he was so certain BM was gonna flip town but voted him anyway. If you think BM is town then vote for me. If you think we're both town with "98%" certainty then vote no lynch. No lynch isn't the end of the world if from your perspective both people or the person with the majority is town. Scott thought BM was town but let him die for the sake of having a lynch. That's a huge red flag in my book.
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On July 12 2015 23:38 Half the Sky wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2015 23:33 Vivax wrote:On July 08 2015 06:43 scott31337 wrote:
I'll switch if needed but I believe the wanderer claim without CC This is a post I really can't understand. He believes the claim but still wants to lynch? Meh. That's so illogical makes me think he only wanted to appease those who wanted BM. Damdred also decided to go for BM instead, for no apparent reasons. He didn't post much at all in that phase. Vivax you ninjaed me was just going to ask what you thought about Scott. MZ had a good post here: Show nested quote +On July 11 2015 06:05 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Biggest problem for me was his actions around the BM lynch where he was so certain BM was gonna flip town but voted him anyway. If you think BM is town then vote for me. If you think we're both town with "98%" certainty then vote no lynch. No lynch isn't the end of the world if from your perspective both people or the person with the majority is town. Scott thought BM was town but let him die for the sake of having a lynch. That's a huge red flag in my book.
Oats same question for you, thoughts on Scott's EoD behaviour d1 if you think he could be mafia?
(Also I am paying attention to the Ras tmi arguments. I understand the argument you are making JAT. Admittedly I didn't read the meta filters on mZ but I also did trust yours LS and Marvs opinions. May need to follow up....)
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You think Scott is better than milo for today?
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On July 13 2015 02:55 Vivax wrote:
Btw I'm also onboard a Kelsier lynch. D1 his uninvolvement and jokey stuff was fine but now he's plain forgettable.
So I'd lynch into those three dudes (Blueh, Scott, Kelsier) and as for milo I'll need to think harder about him.
I re-read EBH's filter yet again. I still cannot get a good townread on him at all. Comments after my latest assessment again - still to come from either alignment.
Regarding the comments on him being VA, I can see that given the writing style of the player. I can believe that. If that is VA and if the meta where he gives a few fucks and has an agenda (as JAT said in Not Themed) is true) it could explain where he thought the veteran responsible for the potential N1 targets was MZ. Maybe the whole Breshke/Obi/KSC post thing where he asked people and a lot of us had them as town. And then later he scumreads KSC for falling off.
Regarding Scott - yeah I didn't just look at Damdred's filter - after Trfel's last comment on him, I checked the filters of the others he was scumreading last night and I kept running into the same problem there was not the interactions he was claiming.
I can definitely get on board with an EBH/Scott lynch. KSC, I don't know. I cannot talk about other games, but all I'll say is that NSM12, he's sparse there too. Take that as you will.
And in that case, Vivax might actually not be mafia, he might actually be town. At least given his latest wave of posting.
Also for me to double check the metas you all used to further push the MZ vig shot - I'm digging through here and can't find it - what games for MZ did you guys use to come to your conclusion? I'm trying to cross check the whole Ras TMI theory.
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On July 13 2015 20:11 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2015 20:08 Harkon wrote:On July 13 2015 20:08 marvellosity wrote:
i'd rather kill wave than vivax. How much do you want to kill wave though? maybe a little more than you'd think? i get the (and i think have made it as well in thread, if not i thought i) not giving fucks = town argument, Wave does things as mafia argument. but i also think wave has *some* will to win, *some* desire to solve the game as town. i'm finding it all harder to believe as the game goes on.
Last engagement I had with Wave was him trying to figure out the scum amongst those who wanted him dead. I ran a few names by him - Vivax, BF, ruXxar (I think), Clarity, obv he didn't know the new people. Then he tried to get a read on me. And that was pretty much it.
I know he says his scumhunting is that bad but is it really that bad?
Even then I think EBH/Scott is the way to go over him. Why not consider them? Either of them?
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On July 13 2015 20:10 Breshke wrote:
Does anyone want to run me through why they think bf is town/mafia. I believe thread sentiment is town at the moment for him?
Tried reading his filter and early he seems to be kinda of all over the place with his scumreads which scott pointed out at the time which gives me weird feelings about scott. I also dislike his meta case on KSC because its based off of one game. I also dislike when he quotes peoples useless one liners as a reason to scumread because it feels like a weak thing to push on. I would have him lean scum if anything
That's the thing though, the first 2 games BF as town he actually IS all over the place with relatively longish periods of afk. From what I can tell esp from my exp in Not Themed is that he's not a great scumhunter and I'm getting the same impression here. Some of his posts are repetitive but it may partially have to do with the fact that everytime he's in thread he's catching up at least 40+ pages. If he's scum, it's not necessarily for that based on what I know of his gameplay.
Also if you skim this filter from NSM10....that's BF's filter as scum. He's 1) more tryhard (tone but yeh) 2) more aggressive (presumably with perfect information so his agenda is set) and 3) tries to make himself look more townie by putting in more effort to substantiate pushes against townies who are playing more suboptimally. That's the impression I got.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/485267-newbie-student-mafia-x?user=boxerfred
As for Scott pointing out BF are you saying Scott potentially has TMI or Scott might be picking off what he might perceive an easy lynch?
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On July 13 2015 21:07 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2015 21:01 Half the Sky wrote:On July 13 2015 20:11 marvellosity wrote:On July 13 2015 20:08 Harkon wrote:On July 13 2015 20:08 marvellosity wrote:
i'd rather kill wave than vivax. How much do you want to kill wave though? maybe a little more than you'd think? i get the (and i think have made it as well in thread, if not i thought i) not giving fucks = town argument, Wave does things as mafia argument. but i also think wave has *some* will to win, *some* desire to solve the game as town. i'm finding it all harder to believe as the game goes on. Last engagement I had with Wave was him trying to figure out the scum amongst those who wanted him dead. I ran a few names by him - Vivax, BF, ruXxar (I think), Clarity, obv he didn't know the new people. Then he tried to get a read on me. And that was pretty much it. I know he says his scumhunting is that bad but is it really that bad? Even then I think EBH/Scott is the way to go over him. Why not consider them? Either of them? because i like EBH's posts more than I like Wave's. scott - maybe
Can you tell me specifically which post(s) you feel are town? Because honestly all game I'm seeing the comments having the ability to come from either alignment.
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You're right, it was his first game and only one as scum, but those are the main contrasts that jumped out at me.
Even ignoring the scum meta, right now Breshke, it's only a slight townread on BF, which is why I said "if he's scum" because I could be wrong on him.
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ruXxar, Trfel wa getting pretty hard pushed by people at points and he then pushed back against Holyflare, although at somewhat random times. What do you make of that?
Wave/Scott/EBH have been thrown around for a while, right...
Most veterans find Breshke easy enough to read tbh, the general sentiment amongst most that knew him was town. You might want to try and look at his filter. Or did you read it and were you not impressed?
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On July 13 2015 21:16 marvellosity wrote:
not beyond what i've already said about him, no. it's not a strong read.
Alright, fair.
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On July 13 2015 23:19 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2015 23:18 Harkon wrote:On July 13 2015 23:15 marvellosity wrote:
so i assume rsoultin still thinks ruxxar is mafia, yes? Well, there is nothing that indicates otherwise. feels like rsoultin dying would tell us a lot, overall. hf too
I'm going to go as far to say that whoever is armed should shoot into one of these two.
And I will also admit that on my vig shot, I came very close to defying town and shooting Holyflare, I was at the point that I was willing to get myself policy lynched for it too until I saw Harkon's tactical post (and subsequently LS's understandable threat).
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On July 14 2015 00:30 Holyflare wrote:Well it helps to stop ignoring the situation if you want to make a decision  (yes I'm aware jat actually did yesterday) but just going throught HtS' thought process i can't make any sense of her read on me. She said i misrepresented trfel day 1 which i do as mafia but then never explains how i misrepresented him at all and then ignored my actual legit trfel case for the same reason which didn't make any sense and then she flat out ignored me when I was actually asking legitimate questions about her play. She cited the reason that if i was mafia I'd shit up the thread with it but completely ignores the situation where I'm town clammering for an answer and doing anything to get it. She even knows i play aggressively as town so what help does shutting me out do other than annoy me quite visibly? Then her read has never ever changed since. At all. No sense at all.
I scumread you for everything up to underlined part resulting from d1/n1. I received the gun d2.
My read on you remained unchanged through most of d2. However, going into n2, I know you posted a load of other things and given the controversy on MZ I knew (yes, you were on the shortlist I mentioned before) I needed to go back and re-evaluate you because the ramifications of an incorrect shot were losing the ground we gained from the Damdred lynch.
I did list you as a scumread n2 but you are correct here - it was outdated in the sense I never got to fully re-evaluate because it was Saturday night and RL took precedence. I made a to-do where I wanted to sit down and do that, spend 60-90m reading your massive filter and piece together whether I was still on track especially with rest of town screaming for MZ's head, but I only got about halfway when I had to stop playing. And part the reason I wanted to re-evaluate you was because I also recalled how you played (3p but still, not mafia) in Aperture, I played very suboptimally so I had to consider the possibility that this could be like what you're doing now.
I submitted your name to the mods 10m after the Damdred lynch and noted myself to change that to MZ if I couldn't get around to reviewing you, whilst also taking note of what was currently happening in the thread with milo/MZ and trying to look at others. As I saw Harkon's post, I changed it to MZ. It would have been negligent at best for me to keep the shot on you without fully piecing everything you'd done together to be absolutely sure.
TLDR - End of night 2, was my read incomplete? Yes. That's my own damn fault. Did I shoot you? Aside from Harkon, that's exactly why I didn't.
And now seeing as how you are progressing and some of the more recent arguments being made I am a bit relieved I changed my target, otherwise the whole MZ thing/d1 wagons issues might very well still be hanging in everyone's faces.
You don't have to believe me but that was my plan. Take it as you will.
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On July 14 2015 06:04 Holyflare wrote:
If trfel flips mafia maybe you guys will believe the rsoul read, yay!
This might actually be a valid point considering Ras did allude to an out-of-game situation earlier regarding Trfel. Covering for him. I don't know. On mobile otherwise I'd find the quote, but I KNOW she mentioned something about him not being interested in the game in general.
And yes, I recall Trfel saying Monday he'd play. Today is Monday.
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EBWOP - that should have been "Covering for him?" More inquisitive from my end than definitive. It's speculation and I don't know for sure.
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On July 14 2015 06:21 marvellosity wrote:
i have a bad feeling about this xD
2 roleblockers tho :/
Milo said he was roleblocked. Ritoky told us immediately who he checked when he was RBed, but I don't believe milo ever did for his n2 check. It might be minor but that was another difference I noticed between rit and milo. Not sure if it was just because if he faked his check, he couldn't deal with whatever questioning to follow (ie "why did you check x" and then would it check with his reads, etc, newbie scum could have hard time faking that IDK)
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