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On July 10 2015 04:52 boxerfred wrote:trying to catch up on the whole claim things. so what came to my mind was the following: facts: 1kp delivered. 1 banish delivered. Also damdred visited ritoky. geript tracked him. a) geript is legit tracker and confirmed town. b) geript and damdred are scum together and orchestrated that (which is unlikely but possible) Then there's this damdred's filter: Show nested quote +On July 07 2015 23:46 Damdred wrote:
Good morning guys, i've caught up to the thread and would like to push you all to kill clarity today.
I'm not going to bother posting tons of quotes so you should fact check yourself after you get done reading.
The first thing of note to look at when it comes to clarity is his weird way of reading HF at the start of the game. Something that is really Non alignment indicative gets him to totally town read HF and say that in no way would he lynch HF today and he would totally fight against his lynch today. To me this is extremely odd, openings are usually not really that important and when informed that HF is the best (arguably) scum player on this site, the stance never changed and no fear is shown at all towards HF.
The next thing that really bugs me about Clarity is lack of follow up and ignoring of questions. I think that is extremely scummy behavior, if you look in his filter you will see that multiple times I asked him questions about the town read he gave HF, any more reads and his reasoning behind voteing wave and open ended questions. He ignores them until I continue to push them down his throat. He has no real follow up which I think is damning.
The weird vote and unvote has been talked about a bit by Marv as being really strange. Wave really really hasn't done jack all this game so not sure why he would unvote as it feels sorta like hes just going with thread sentiment to an extent and going where its safe. HF pushes wave goes to wave, thread goes against ritoky jumps to ritoky. Now is trying to get marv to tell him where to go. And has no real reads at this point.
TLDR
Has no fear of people he says are town, ie HF after one post
Lacks follow through on some posts/questions
Lacks scum reads
Follows thread sentiment and jumps to another when its available instead of pushing what he thinks.
This guy is scum vot ehim. Pushing clarity. There's always one or even more scum reads on clarity during D1. So why not jail this guy? Why jail ritoky instead? For the jail itself: I (as a newer player) can actually see a jailor jailing ritoky. A defensive jail if he believed the cop claim - and a offensive jail if he would not believe it. As it is, we have a person being roleblocked (marv), a person being visited (ritoky) and only one KP carried out. Doesn't that actually mean that it is highly likely that the KP was delivered by either marv or ritoky? Who else was blocked during the night, if any? I think milo claims to have been blocked (if I remember correctly, unsure of that and not really having the time to investigate on this). So that brings us to 3 people that might have delivered a KP and were blocked. Marv, ritoky, milo. Okay. At this point, I remembered that Harkon claimed. This: Show nested quote +On July 09 2015 19:29 Harkon wrote:
Ok, so considering that scum have no vig and town vigs are not allowed to shoot night1 there are EXACTLY 2 KP night 1.
I am telling you the following:
- Marv was not shot.
- Marv did not deliver KP.
- Ritoky was not shot.
- Ritoky did not deliver KP.
- the nightkills were EXACTLY Palmar and Harkon
Because I am the goddamn batmanveteran and I got shot last night. This fucking screws my theory because it simply makes sense. I don't see Harkon claiming vet as scum. So that removes Marv and Ritoky from my list of people that could have delivered the KP. Leaving milo. ##vote milo
Harkon claimed vet and that he got shot n1.
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ninja'd. Anyway.. if you think both damdred and milo are scum you should be lynching damdred, because if he is scum he is the scum roleblocker, this outweighs the possibility of him being town JK. That's the conclusion I drew anyway.
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On July 10 2015 05:07 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2015 05:04 boxerfred wrote:On July 10 2015 04:59 Harkon wrote:On July 10 2015 04:58 boxerfred wrote:
Yeah I know, Clarity. So 2 KP's were carried out. In a scenario where damdred is mafia rb, milo could've only been blocked by a town rb. That town rb could definitely claim by now. As long as that does not happen, I hold his block claim for a lie and am totally fine with lynching him. Fair enough. But if milo is scum damdred is also probably scum and since damdred is probably the roleblocker we should lynch him first. Okay, So, milo claims to be blocked. My point stands. Fine with damdred as long as we don't forget/kill milo at night. ##unvote ##vote DamdredIt's also fun how HF instareads me scum though I'm really trying to help. Also it's noteworthy that while the whole thread says "lynch damdred" I say "lynch milo" instead. would've been way easier for me to stick with damdred. Saying something controversial doesn't mean you're town, it's the same situation where I didn't want to immediately lynch BM.
Did you just scumslip or are you just really confident that boxerfred is town?
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On July 10 2015 05:09 ritoky wrote:
Random thought as I am catching up right now. Don't people usually ping out LS as mafia for basically doing nothing? Hasn't he done nothing since the end of d1? Also, does anyone know any of his reads at all, cuz I don't....
Yeah I pretty much agree with this.
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On July 10 2015 05:14 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2015 05:11 Clarity_nl wrote:On July 10 2015 05:07 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On July 10 2015 05:04 boxerfred wrote:On July 10 2015 04:59 Harkon wrote:On July 10 2015 04:58 boxerfred wrote:
Yeah I know, Clarity. So 2 KP's were carried out. In a scenario where damdred is mafia rb, milo could've only been blocked by a town rb. That town rb could definitely claim by now. As long as that does not happen, I hold his block claim for a lie and am totally fine with lynching him. Fair enough. But if milo is scum damdred is also probably scum and since damdred is probably the roleblocker we should lynch him first. Okay, So, milo claims to be blocked. My point stands. Fine with damdred as long as we don't forget/kill milo at night. ##unvote ##vote DamdredIt's also fun how HF instareads me scum though I'm really trying to help. Also it's noteworthy that while the whole thread says "lynch damdred" I say "lynch milo" instead. would've been way easier for me to stick with damdred. Saying something controversial doesn't mean you're town, it's the same situation where I didn't want to immediately lynch BM. Did you just scumslip or are you just really confident that boxerfred is town? No lol, boxerfred seems to be implying that people should think he's town because he's saying something controversial and I'm pointing out it doesn't work like that and used my opposition to the BM lynch as an example: i.e. people shouldn't be townreading me simply for opposing the BM lynch.
Okay let me rephrase, what do you think of boxerfred?
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On July 10 2015 05:15 Holyflare wrote:
why can't ritoky and damdred be mafia together for you?
Because damdred visited ritoky, silly goose
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Or are you entertaining the thought that scum framer would be sent to make ritoky look town? That's a bit insane, not really worth thinking about since in that scenario they have roleblocked milo
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On July 10 2015 05:17 Holyflare wrote:
well i'm just asking why HE doesn't think about it since he's in this situation
in my world it's just damdred and milo
Oh that's a fair point, carry on.
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On July 10 2015 05:25 ritoky wrote:
I mean, I kinda have to believe damdred is mafia here...I spent the past bit trying to comprehend why he would JK me and outside of using it on me cuz of the relationship we have I can't particularly justify it. But looking at it from the other angle is more troubling. If damdred was the JK, that means that the mafia fully intended for 1 investigation to go through and they chose mine over milo's. I can't really comprehend that. I understand that it is an acceptable statistical risk to take and the math makes sense; but on the chance one of the cops finds a red target why would you prefer to get into a yelling match with me rather than milo? No offense to milo, but I can yell, kick, scream, and throw a fit better than he can. And it is not like my claim is so much shadier than his to where I have so much less credit to where I am a better option in that regard. I just don't get it. Especially now that I learned there was 0 kp on me....I just am having a hard time trying to see a scenario where the stars align....
If damdred is town JK, milo is scum and scum roleblocker hit you as well.
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On July 10 2015 05:44 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2015 05:42 Clarity_nl wrote:On July 10 2015 05:25 ritoky wrote:
I mean, I kinda have to believe damdred is mafia here...I spent the past bit trying to comprehend why he would JK me and outside of using it on me cuz of the relationship we have I can't particularly justify it. But looking at it from the other angle is more troubling. If damdred was the JK, that means that the mafia fully intended for 1 investigation to go through and they chose mine over milo's. I can't really comprehend that. I understand that it is an acceptable statistical risk to take and the math makes sense; but on the chance one of the cops finds a red target why would you prefer to get into a yelling match with me rather than milo? No offense to milo, but I can yell, kick, scream, and throw a fit better than he can. And it is not like my claim is so much shadier than his to where I have so much less credit to where I am a better option in that regard. I just don't get it. Especially now that I learned there was 0 kp on me....I just am having a hard time trying to see a scenario where the stars align.... If damdred is town JK, milo is scum and scum roleblocker hit you as well. Can you explain this to me more thoroughly please.
So a scenario in which damdred is JK, harkon is vet and milo is scum:
1 kp on marv
1 kp on harkon
damdred JK > ritoky
scum RB > ritoky
milo claims he was roleblocked.
Tah dah, a scenario where damdred is town and it all fits.
Like I don't believe it's the case, but it's possible, just saying.
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On July 10 2015 05:58 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2015 05:56 Clarity_nl wrote:On July 10 2015 05:44 ritoky wrote:On July 10 2015 05:42 Clarity_nl wrote:On July 10 2015 05:25 ritoky wrote:
I mean, I kinda have to believe damdred is mafia here...I spent the past bit trying to comprehend why he would JK me and outside of using it on me cuz of the relationship we have I can't particularly justify it. But looking at it from the other angle is more troubling. If damdred was the JK, that means that the mafia fully intended for 1 investigation to go through and they chose mine over milo's. I can't really comprehend that. I understand that it is an acceptable statistical risk to take and the math makes sense; but on the chance one of the cops finds a red target why would you prefer to get into a yelling match with me rather than milo? No offense to milo, but I can yell, kick, scream, and throw a fit better than he can. And it is not like my claim is so much shadier than his to where I have so much less credit to where I am a better option in that regard. I just don't get it. Especially now that I learned there was 0 kp on me....I just am having a hard time trying to see a scenario where the stars align.... If damdred is town JK, milo is scum and scum roleblocker hit you as well. Can you explain this to me more thoroughly please. So a scenario in which damdred is JK, harkon is vet and milo is scum: 1 kp on marv 1 kp on harkon damdred JK > ritoky scum RB > ritoky milo claims he was roleblocked. Tah dah, a scenario where damdred is town and it all fits. Like I don't believe it's the case, but it's possible, just saying. i assume you mean palmar instead of marv here
Yeah my bad
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Holyflare if you are town could you stop arguing/get mad at people you think are very likely scum?
If you are scum, carry on.
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On July 10 2015 06:10 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2015 06:05 ritoky wrote:On July 10 2015 06:03 LightningStrike wrote:
I wont let you guys lynch me that easily. so you're here and reading and electing to contribute nothing. isn't that your mafia meta? Rolf I am the 2 Shot Gunsmith I already gave someone a gun I wont name them and if they are reading this: Don't claim that you have a gun.
WHY THE FUCK WOULD YOU CLAIM THIS
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On July 10 2015 06:13 marvellosity wrote:
guys, just laugh resignedly, don't get mad.
Too late. But I'll try to get over it quickly.
Like there's 0% chance of him getting lynched, why the fuck would he claim anything.
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On July 10 2015 06:14 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2015 06:12 Clarity_nl wrote:On July 10 2015 06:10 LightningStrike wrote:On July 10 2015 06:05 ritoky wrote:On July 10 2015 06:03 LightningStrike wrote:
I wont let you guys lynch me that easily. so you're here and reading and electing to contribute nothing. isn't that your mafia meta? Rolf I am the 2 Shot Gunsmith I already gave someone a gun I wont name them and if they are reading this: Don't claim that you have a gun. WHY THE FUCK WOULD YOU CLAIM THIS I was just trying to shut down Damdred's push onto me since he's clearly scum at this point.
OH I SEE, SO SCUM WAS PUSHING YOU AND GAINING 0 TRACTION, SO YOU TOLD SCUM YOUR ROLE, GOOD JOB, YOU STOPPED YOURSELF FROM GETTING LYNCHED.
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On July 10 2015 06:15 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2015 06:12 Clarity_nl wrote:
Holyflare if you are town could you stop arguing/get mad at people you think are very likely scum?
If you are scum, carry on. i can't help it, i'm really in a bad mood and whenever i post something someone else does some silly shit or calls me mafia and it just puts me right back in that bad mood i want an actual game of people that listen to things i contribute or at least converse with me about why they are wrong or right but instead it's little quips or just flat out ignoring or calling me scummy or just hard defending the person i'm bringing up points on while shit fighting with me
Ok I'm gonna just say this once HF, apparently you're a smart guy so you'll get this, are you ready?
IF THEY ARE SCUM, THEN THERE IS NO REASON TO GET MAD AT THEM FOR DOING SCUMMY THINGS OR DUMB THINGS. WHY ARE YOU MAD AT YOUR SCUMREADS.
Okay?
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On July 10 2015 06:29 Harkon wrote:
To make this clear: I am not buying this unless geript comes in here and confirms and noone else should either.
I believe it, why would damdred lie, makes no sense.
Soooo.... Let's start discussing our lynch as if it's true.
Milo, yes? Let's go.
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Obviously if geript denies it we'll kill damdred but there's no way he will since it would make no sense for damdred to make this up.
Dunno why ur all reacting so dumb.
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On July 10 2015 06:34 Damdred wrote:
Your reaction Milo is damded is 100% town, you show no fear that Ritoky rb is fake and treat him like town even before I claim jk.
You draw np conclusions really from your reaction test but you soft to hard defend me at times. For,no reason anyone with anything 100% knows I would,be mafia in the scenario that was presented to the thread but with your superior knowledge defend me. Because just like in guardians you like being right
+1 easygame.
#theplays always works.
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On July 10 2015 06:37 milo109 wrote:
thinking*
Alright milo. So tell me this, do you believe they're masons?
If yes, do you still think ritoky is town?
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