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On July 06 2015 09:17 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2015 09:14 Holyflare wrote:On July 06 2015 08:38 geript wrote:
@HF who are your townreads.
Oh and btw Wubby is 100% town. Player List 1) Marvellosity2) Scott31337 3) WaveofShadow (filter)4) Clarity_nl (filter)5) ruXxar (filter) <--- pretty sure 12) Trfel (filter)16) KelsierSC (filter) 20) Damdred (filter)21) rsoultin (filter)24) Holyflare (filter) I'm not sure if you're right on Damdred. I'm sure you're wrong on wave. I agree about Ruxx. The big thing though is that you're wrong on Wave. He's town.
On July 07 2015 04:14 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2015 03:42 marvellosity wrote:On July 07 2015 03:41 geript wrote:On July 07 2015 03:40 Holyflare wrote:
well keep on being poop then geript, nobody is going to listen to a line of post that says 0 reasons on why someone is mafia Keep on being poop HF for not being good enough to understand my reads your attitude is pretty scummy because it looks like you're angling to be ignored while whining that you're being ignored. Nah, it's just that have no intentions of helping you guys and will ignore everyone and anyone who chooses to ignore my reads. It's a 2 way street marv. You know I tend to have very good reads early on and very strong well developed meta reads later on. Especially my townread early on are usually quite on point; exceptionally fantastically on point. It's one of the reasons why I've made a note that I still don't have a townread on Damdred. That should at least alert you to there being a problem there.
On July 07 2015 14:42 geript wrote:
Not Voting (13): Scott31337, WaveofShadow, ritoky, Meapak_Ziphh, Trfel, LightningStrike, KelsierSC, milo109, Oatsmaster, Damdred, XEliteBlueHunter69X, Harkon, Clarity_nl
FWIW, there's probably a good amount of mafia in this group right here. Interesting how similar it is to my "not town reads" list.
On July 08 2015 00:15 geript wrote:
Oh. And I still don't have a townread on Damdred. So I could definitely lynch him.
On July 08 2015 00:53 geript wrote:
The more a Damdred posts, the more I yearn to lynch him. I'm really surprised by his desire to lynch Wave. Not because I have a townread on wave but more because he's definitely not the target Damdred would usually choose here. I don't recognize any of Damdred's thought process at all this game and as town I've been able to spot his quite early. Like I know you guys don't buy my magical reads. But they work. And Damdred isn't town.
On July 08 2015 03:01 geript wrote:
~4 hours. I'll consolidate on Ritoky, but meh. I'd really rather lynch Oats or Vivax or Damdred or idk lots of other people. But meh. I'm pretty blah about who to lynch right now and I feel like being lazy for a bit.
On July 08 2015 05:11 geript wrote:
Clarity_nl
Vivax
Bill Murray
Meapak_Ziphh
Trfel
ObiWanShinobi
Damdred
rsoultin
XEliteBlueHunter69X
I still think I'd rather lynch Damdred or Bill Murray. Damdred doesn't seem to be thinking anything like how he thinks as town and BM is a great fall back if we don't want to lynch into claims. Of the claims, I think Ritoky's the better lynch.
On July 08 2015 05:18 geript wrote:
Basically here's the wagon options. If you're not on one of these, then you're not helping/mafia:
1. Ritoky--Of the claims, he's my preferred lynch. Plus he'll do anything as any alignment re: claiming. But I think he might be town from a few posts he's made
2. Damdred--Not playing his town game whatsoever. Maybe he's busy. Maybe he's trying new things. Maybe his wife's pregnant. Maybe his wife got shot again. IDK. But he's really off imo.
3. Rsoultina--I don't have a great read on her. HF thinks she's scum. I don't have a reason to townread her.
4. Bill Murray--A good D1 lynch if we can't find something better. He's been exceptionally useless and usually he says at least 1 interesting thing as town.
On July 08 2015 06:44 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2015 06:40 Half the Sky wrote:
geript, you said you didn't like Damdred. I went through his filter. I know a couple of people cited him for his pushes.
What is making you think he's not town? Is it his method of scumhunting? Is it his pushes on his targets (LS/Trfel/Wave, etc) or was it him dropping the LS read?
You didn't like his wave read, and Damdred is saying that wos doesn't seem to care about the game.
Are you lot thinking he's zeroing in on a pattern of "easy" lynches? I know we know the deal on LS (before he dropped it) and Trfel wasn't playing optimally regardless of what people think on him, and wos has been highly critical of his own town game. It's possible as a theory.
But I don't understand the part in your filter about "that's not whom Damdred should be choosing" as a lynch though when he goes on wave. KSC I know you found this read weird too. I'm reading the filter and I don't know if I'm missing something. So basically usually Damdred has a Damdred thought. Basically as town, he has this thought process that I can recognize. Like last game he made 1post while I was like," yep that's exactly what Damdred would push/think." And it's not there at all this game.
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Let me repeat myself once more. IF YOU FUCKS EVER LYNCH WAVEOFSHADOW, THEN I SWEAR TO GOD I WILL CLIMB OUT OF MY GRAVE AND CHOKE EACH OF YOU PERSONALLY TO DEATH. I'd strongly prefer you never lynch Breshke either. He's highly likely to be town.
Sidenote: I'm having some minor second thoughts about Marv. I'd lynch him before I would HF, but I wouldn't lynch either until lylo I think. I'll make a big post tomorrow.
Tldr
Shoot MZ
Then lynch into Vivax/milo
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Also, I'm going to look into rsoultin for HF's sake.
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Lots of reasons. Meta only being part of it. Look at who a Damdred pushed.
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On July 07 2015 07:56 geript wrote:
I'd be really surprised if I were wrong about Breshke. He was interacting with the thread instead of around the thread.
On January 26 2015 17:02 geript wrote:
I've spent the last few hours looking at Breshke's meta. I really don't see him being mafia. Like there are some similarities to both his town and mafia play, but it looks far more like his town game. How he interacts with the thread and reads seems to be the key to understanding his meta imo. Like his mafia games are practically commentary/summary of the thread and I'm not really seeing that here.
I don't think I want to lynch Breshke.
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On July 11 2015 11:36 marvellosity wrote:
btw, geript when you read this, i'm gonna get you to explain your Damdred stuff to me post-game. Even if you think you can't :p
I'll explain it now in spoilers to save space.
+ Show Spoiler +MAGIC! + Show Spoiler +Ok. It's actually pretty simple. As town, he has a very specific thought process that he uses. I don't know what it is and I can't explain it to you. But what I can say is that if you go through his early game especially, I think you'll pretty clearly be able to understand what it is that Damdred picks up on and why. So when he makes pushes that are outside of that recognizable thought process it, and especially when he continues to not use that thought process for who he's pushing, then he's not town.
I think it's very much like in Duke Nukem II Hydra edition where Palmer picked out Sandroba/Syllogism for scum reading someone when they had done something that he knew they would normally townread them. It's kinda odd, but it's pretty important. And I'm honestly not sure I can explain it any better than that. But if you look at my last game with Damdred, in his first post he picked up on one specific thing that I could recognize and I called him obvious town. I don't even have to agree with him on the push. But when he pushes town!Damdred stuff, then there's a specific reason for it. Like there's a, maybe not theme, but there's a checklist or something that he uses constantly or something. And when he pushes on people who haven't hit that checklist, there's alarm bells.
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On July 07 2015 03:50 Damdred wrote:
Hey guys I got distracted while I was finishing things up at the house cleaning days are a bitch.
ok I'll try to answer everything of I miss some things just quote them and I'll get them, or if you have a person you specifically want me to talk about I'll try to get to it.
Firstly a list of people I am town reading currently:
Ruxxor: last game we played together one of the things or a few things I caught him on was weird interactions with people suspecting them and then forgetting what he's typed. He seems to be a little more consistent with what he's said even if he is putting things a bit odd. Also tone wise he is way different, he seems a bit more relaxed and happier here while my experience with him as scum has been super angry sounding. Content wise he also makes a bit of sense with what he's posting so far.
Marv: Mostly its a tone thing plus he seems really involved in everything going on. I like and understand how he's looking at the game.
Kel: Has really put the work into the game so far that I would expect from a town kel, he has dug through posts in here and has kept brining things back up that he doesn't agree with and he keeps re evaluating as the game goes. Ie when I told him to checkour last game he did and changed a bit of what he said.
Hf: I'm scared of him bit he seems a lot more involved early and seems to be pushing things from a good angle to me. He doesn't sound really stinky to me atm so I'm ok with him being town here.
Hts is someone who I like at this point but don't have a firm handle on right now. For example I can understand the thought processes she uses in giving the reads and when others don't understand you can see a struggle to get people to understand it. Sticks to the guns but seems to really want to work with people to get them to understand the perspective. I think has a good shot at town
palmar is a Toney thing and I like him but I always do.
If anyone has any more specific questions about people not on my list ask.
@kel currently in struggling with my rsoultin read. I'm of two minds whenever her and hf fight one of them is generally scum as they usually get along pretty well. But on the other hand she's so obstinante and doesn't care what people think shed just going to say whatever the hell she wants, that's a town trait to me of hers to. Overall I'm still thinking town but a couple of misgivings about her.
On July 11 2015 12:51 Holyflare wrote:
I mentioned on day 1 how weird this town read post was from damdred since he didn't sound sure about those reads at all yet still called them all town and I think i like arbitrarily deciding everyone on this list that's explained is town simply because it looks like he struggled to point out everything obvious that didn't make people towny but did in his mafia world.
#sickreads
Funny, I'm pretty sure that he's slipped 1 mafia in there. I think it's more likely to be Kels or HtS but idk.
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On July 11 2015 13:09 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +False Lead (Mafia Roleblocker): False leads happen all the time. Most of the time, they’re not even anyone’s fault. They sure do eat up valuable peoples’ time, though. You are a roleblocker. Each night, you may target a player and roleblock them. You can also deliver KP while doing this. Your RB resolves before any town abilities do. This is a bit wifom but since damdred was only tracked to ritoky, barring any jk or anything that has a save on ritoky it probably means someone not talked about as being scummy carried the kp. Not sure what that means yet but i just saw it in the op.
I'll talk about this for a second. I don't think town has any roleblocker roles. We've seen a banisher which is kinda like a super JK.
Roles that are essentially confirmed are:
1-shot Tracker
1-shot cop
2-shot gunsmith
2-shot banisher
Because of the roles, I think there's a variety of things that can exist yet in the game. Maybe a 1-shot vigi. Given Harkon's claim, it's very possible that the Vet claim is possible. A vet would make some sense in the setup. But it's not confirmed by any means. Especially when Palmer was shot and Marv was banished, it's quite possible that mafia didn't medic dodge and equally possible that they did medic dodge by shooting Palmer/smurf. Considering that we have both a cop and a tracker that are limited in use, I kinda expect a second cop to be in the game. Or at least a pair of masons. Or something.
I'm also kinda having reservations about milo. He's posted a shit ton. He's been happy to marry himself to Damdred. Damdred has been happy to marry himself to milo. When I see that type of play, it almost always comes from mafia-siding town. There are a number of reasonable reasons for milo to be mafia. But given the fact that no one else has claimed a check or outed as mason or whatever, it kinda makes me think that there might actually be two mafia roleblockers, a goon, a GF and a rolecop. There could be a 2-shot or multishot tracker out there and instead of a goon or RB they have a framer. But idk. He had a 10 page filter in a 4-5 day 100 page game (as mafia). It's a while ago and I don't have enough by any stretch to do a real meta case on milo. But I think that it's at least possible that he's town. He's possibly even fake claimed to not get lynched. He doesn't strike me (from his previous filter) as a person who's afraid to do anything not get lynched. And there are things that I find to be different between the two filters. But it's tough. You guys are going to have to work this one out on your own. I kinda think he might be town, but I still want to lynch him or in the least force him to out a check so when we lynch him if he's town, then we get some info from it.
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Of the townreads I've made, the weakest I have is Oats. This one seems to bug me a lot. I get the thought process he had and it was kinda towny oats once I got why he was pushing me. But I still kinda think he's mafia. I can't really explain it and I could just be extra paranoid here.
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On July 11 2015 13:38 milo109 wrote:
geript you should totally track me bby.
Even if I could, it would literally be a waste.
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On July 11 2015 13:40 milo109 wrote:
You could confirm me, which is probably be better than tracking a random.
1. I don't have any more tracks.
2. It would literally be a complete waste. I'm guessing being RB prevents you visiting anyone. And quite frankly, my reads are really, really good. If you're town, I'd rather just track mafia. Because I would. Because yes, I'm that good.
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On July 11 2015 13:48 Oatsmaster wrote:
Meh, there really isnt any value for mafia to claim vet there.
They have no idea if there is a vet in the game, and vet is literally the easiest thing is the world to cc. There is no risk for the vet that he gets shot and loses his role.
OK this is pretty much bullshit. Let me be clear. I'm kinda meh about Harkon. The claim is completely irrelevant. There's a great set of reasons to claim vet there. Yes, it helps sink Damdred, but that ship is essentially already done and gone. So you're sacrificing a piece that you've already lost in order to gain town cred. Nothing against Harkon, but if he doesn't die then he becomes pretty sketchy and would 100% lynch him at lylo.
Also, vet is actually a really hard role to cc. Yes, 2 vets would be odd. But it's not in any way close to confirmed. It's unlikely Harkon is mafia. But if he is, then the vet claim is a great play because it's non-confirmable and actually hard to counter. Hell even a PGO or something would have a hard time claiming against him.
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I think my preferred next lynch is rsoultin. I'll explain why later. But feel free to discuss.
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Marv have you read Tina's filter?
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On July 12 2015 00:26 marvellosity wrote:not a chance 
Well do it and use control+f to search for Damdred. I just find it really exceptionally odd how often she talks about not liking his LS read (or reads in general) while not seeming to have an opinion on Damdred whatsoever.
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On July 12 2015 00:33 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2015 00:29 geript wrote:On July 12 2015 00:26 marvellosity wrote:On July 12 2015 00:24 geript wrote:
Marv have you read Tina's filter? not a chance Well do it and use control+f to search for Damdred. I just find it really exceptionally odd how often she talks about not liking his LS read (or reads in general) while not seeming to have an opinion on Damdred whatsoever. eh i dunno. that post she explained to me why she didn't like damdred...
My problem is that I don't actually see a read on him until after the track. Just seems like it's something she wanted to talk about but not really feel.
IDK. Maybe being confirmed is fucking with my head at this point.
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Just remember shoot MZ. If he's mafia, then probably lynch milo. After that I'm really unsure. Maybe Vivax/Oats, more likely vivax. Maybe rsoultin.
Whatever you do don't lynch Wave. Probably dont' lynch Breshke. Don't treat Harkon as confirmed town.
On July 07 2015 07:09 geript wrote:
Scott31337
Clarity_nl
Vivax
Bill Murray
ritoky
Meapak_Ziphh
Trfel
LightningStrike
ObiWanShinobi
milo109
Oatsmaster
Damdred
rsoultin
XEliteBlueHunter69X
People not currently in my town circle
This post likely contains most of the mafia. I don't get the townreads that OWS is getting. I really don't. EBH is also someone I think should be looked into more. For being a smurf, I kinda think he's Vayne authority. That makes me think he's far more likely to be mafia than not.
People that I'd be taking a serious look into lynching:
EBH
Rsoultin
Milo
Boxerfred
Vivax
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On July 23 2015 07:23 LightningStrike wrote:
Lol I Was 2/3 right on the scum team after the mod kill honestly I guess Geript can't tone read WoS anymore lol.
The tone read was wrong but it was for good reasons. It wasn't until after I died that Wave became obvious.
Imo, town fell apart for a few different reasons:
1. Unnecessary claims--Seriously, stop fucking claiming. Just stop.
2. Not thinking through lynches or their results. After the MZ vig shot, it should've been a wake up call that the Damdred/MZ/Milo world didn't exist. Considering I specifically made the point that milo could be town because of how milo/Damdred aligned. I specifically pointed out that he's constantly posting albeit poorly imo made him more likely to be town. No on analyzed the no lynch which btw would've given you 2/3 of the scum left. So the problem is people not thinking.
3. The setup. 2 role blockers vs 6 roles (5 of which are limited) is bad imo. I love the idea of this setup but town was pretty weak comparatively. Plus DML is really bad for big games.
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2 RB in 5 gives you a huge amount of control over the game claims aside. It practically guarantees an RB survives to D3-5 when they're the most powerful role. Gunsmith in this setup is especially weaker due to double RB plus having to gun instead of having a gun.
Technically, town got 2 named VTs too. But they're really not.
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