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Why I think LT looks scummy
GB flipped red, see previous big post on LT lol. And to address your earlier post:
On July 07 2015 10:36 Lord Tolkien wrote:
The very thought that GB flipping scum implicates me is hilarious.
It's really not that absurd. You believed Cixah's claim based on the fact that it was "so sketchy it makes sense" (paraphrasing). But as soon as GB came in and did a last minute claim, you wanted to pull some major shenannies.
I mentioned how content he was with plotspot's original claim and how it hasn't sat right with me.
The main thing giving me pause is that I find it hard to believe LT would be that dumb. He's either stupid town or really stupid scum.
plotspot, on the other hand, has done fuck all except for random speculation all game. At least I have an idea of what LT's reads are... plotspot I have no fucking clue what he thinks about other people in the game.
As I've typed this out, I've decided that if I had to choose between the two, I'd go with plotspot. He's more likely scum solely based off of pure feigned activity.
On July 08 2015 08:00 Bill Murray wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2015 10:27 Cixah wrote:On July 07 2015 06:11 GlowingBear wrote:On July 07 2015 05:58 WaveofShadow wrote:On July 07 2015 05:49 GlowingBear wrote:
He claimed under pressure and he tried to track Dandel. It doesn't make sense to me.
Why wouldn't he track another guy he was suspecting and was coasting, like Bill Murray or even asmo? Why traxking someone who would probably never carry kp after lynching town Holyflare?
His claim is most likely fake Also I'd like to make note here that he is questioning the claim using a mafia mindset. Who is thinking about scum delivering KP? Scum is. In my last game I blundered as scum when Oats (fake)claimed cop by immediately attacking how his checks were terrible rather than the veracity of the claim itself. My vote is absolutely cemented today. Once again you guys can do what you like but I don't really have more to say on the matter. I choose to believe cixah's claim and until I see a flip one way or another I have no reason to believe otherwise. This is the dumbest shit you have said all game If the guy is a tracker he is obviously thinking about who might be delivering kp. This is such a poor argument that it can't be coming from town wave. I refuse to believe you can be this bad as town. This is Himalaya all over. Cixah, Wave, Bill MurrayIn case I really get lynched, this is the scum team. Go against them when I flip, ESPECIALLY Cixah This post basically confirms bill as town. yeah but i was already confirmed town just people dont know how to read me
there ain't shit to read yo
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After some consideration, I have arrived at the conclusion that LT is probably not scum. For a couple reasons:
-I honestly don't think LT is that stupid.
-I agree that a no lynch is not a good idea today. And the fact that LT immediately stands up against a no lynch when it seems like people want him dead today shows in LT's favor.
However, I have also reaffirmed my thoughts that plotspot is very likely scum.
On July 08 2015 20:06 plotspot wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2015 10:04 jcarlsoniv wrote:Why I think LT looks scummy GB flipped red, see previous big post on LT lol. And to address your earlier post: On July 07 2015 10:36 Lord Tolkien wrote:
The very thought that GB flipping scum implicates me is hilarious. It's really not that absurd. You believed Cixah's claim based on the fact that it was "so sketchy it makes sense" (paraphrasing). But as soon as GB came in and did a last minute claim, you wanted to pull some major shenannies. I mentioned how content he was with plotspot's original claim and how it hasn't sat right with me. The main thing giving me pause is that I find it hard to believe LT would be that dumb. He's either stupid town or really stupid scum. plotspot, on the other hand, has done fuck all except for random speculation all game. At least I have an idea of what LT's reads are... plotspot I have no fucking clue what he thinks about other people in the game. As I've typed this out, I've decided that if I had to choose between the two, I'd go with plotspot. He's more likely scum solely based off of pure feigned activity. On July 08 2015 08:00 Bill Murray wrote:On July 07 2015 10:27 Cixah wrote:On July 07 2015 06:11 GlowingBear wrote:On July 07 2015 05:58 WaveofShadow wrote:On July 07 2015 05:49 GlowingBear wrote:
He claimed under pressure and he tried to track Dandel. It doesn't make sense to me.
Why wouldn't he track another guy he was suspecting and was coasting, like Bill Murray or even asmo? Why traxking someone who would probably never carry kp after lynching town Holyflare?
His claim is most likely fake Also I'd like to make note here that he is questioning the claim using a mafia mindset. Who is thinking about scum delivering KP? Scum is. In my last game I blundered as scum when Oats (fake)claimed cop by immediately attacking how his checks were terrible rather than the veracity of the claim itself. My vote is absolutely cemented today. Once again you guys can do what you like but I don't really have more to say on the matter. I choose to believe cixah's claim and until I see a flip one way or another I have no reason to believe otherwise. This is the dumbest shit you have said all game If the guy is a tracker he is obviously thinking about who might be delivering kp. This is such a poor argument that it can't be coming from town wave. I refuse to believe you can be this bad as town. This is Himalaya all over. Cixah, Wave, Bill MurrayIn case I really get lynched, this is the scum team. Go against them when I flip, ESPECIALLY Cixah This post basically confirms bill as town. yeah but i was already confirmed town just people dont know how to read me there ain't shit to read yo Actually, if you don't believe my claim, there's no way I'm scum here. Cixah has the most suspicions about him from everyone else. No one dared townreading him. If I was scum with GB, I'd surely done everything possible to cement Cixah's status as scum. Like, how difficult is it to cast down suspicion on his claim or his general play if I just parrot GB? But I didn't. I went the way of high resistance and hard-defend and ride with him when you guys were still wondering what is what. Why, pray tell, would I do that as scum? I voted GB in a phase where everything was still undecided and stayed with it to the end . If I was scum with GB, why would I consolidate with Cixah at a critical juncture?
Why would you do that as scum? Because then you could make this very simple post in your own defense and hope you'd be done with it. But the fact of the matter is that you made a very sketchy claim D1 and you've done absolutely nothing of value since. Like, I don't even know if you have any reads on anyone. All you've done is ride along with the chaos.
##vote plotspot
Also, I'm generally not someone who does a lot of set up speculation (mostly cuz I'm not sure what a "balanced" comp would be in any given game), but I want to throw in my two cents. If scum got an extra KP in GB's nuke, wouldn't town also get an extra KP somewhere? Watcher, tracker, and martyr seem like fairly weak town roles (unless I'm misunderstanding their strength) - I would kind of expect town to have extra KP somewhere.
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On July 08 2015 23:59 plotspot wrote:
Soniv I think you're in some serious tunnel or confirmation bias if you think I am scum when I don't even know whether I am town or scum.
The glaring flaw in your thought process is that I don't believe your claim.
On July 09 2015 01:21 plotspot wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2015 23:00 jcarlsoniv wrote:After some consideration, I have arrived at the conclusion that LT is probably not scum. For a couple reasons: -I honestly don't think LT is that stupid. -I agree that a no lynch is not a good idea today. And the fact that LT immediately stands up against a no lynch when it seems like people want him dead today shows in LT's favor. However, I have also reaffirmed my thoughts that plotspot is very likely scum. On July 08 2015 20:06 plotspot wrote:On July 08 2015 10:04 jcarlsoniv wrote:Why I think LT looks scummy GB flipped red, see previous big post on LT lol. And to address your earlier post: On July 07 2015 10:36 Lord Tolkien wrote:
The very thought that GB flipping scum implicates me is hilarious. It's really not that absurd. You believed Cixah's claim based on the fact that it was "so sketchy it makes sense" (paraphrasing). But as soon as GB came in and did a last minute claim, you wanted to pull some major shenannies. I mentioned how content he was with plotspot's original claim and how it hasn't sat right with me. The main thing giving me pause is that I find it hard to believe LT would be that dumb. He's either stupid town or really stupid scum. plotspot, on the other hand, has done fuck all except for random speculation all game. At least I have an idea of what LT's reads are... plotspot I have no fucking clue what he thinks about other people in the game. As I've typed this out, I've decided that if I had to choose between the two, I'd go with plotspot. He's more likely scum solely based off of pure feigned activity. On July 08 2015 08:00 Bill Murray wrote:On July 07 2015 10:27 Cixah wrote:On July 07 2015 06:11 GlowingBear wrote:On July 07 2015 05:58 WaveofShadow wrote:On July 07 2015 05:49 GlowingBear wrote:
He claimed under pressure and he tried to track Dandel. It doesn't make sense to me.
Why wouldn't he track another guy he was suspecting and was coasting, like Bill Murray or even asmo? Why traxking someone who would probably never carry kp after lynching town Holyflare?
His claim is most likely fake Also I'd like to make note here that he is questioning the claim using a mafia mindset. Who is thinking about scum delivering KP? Scum is. In my last game I blundered as scum when Oats (fake)claimed cop by immediately attacking how his checks were terrible rather than the veracity of the claim itself. My vote is absolutely cemented today. Once again you guys can do what you like but I don't really have more to say on the matter. I choose to believe cixah's claim and until I see a flip one way or another I have no reason to believe otherwise. This is the dumbest shit you have said all game If the guy is a tracker he is obviously thinking about who might be delivering kp. This is such a poor argument that it can't be coming from town wave. I refuse to believe you can be this bad as town. This is Himalaya all over. Cixah, Wave, Bill MurrayIn case I really get lynched, this is the scum team. Go against them when I flip, ESPECIALLY Cixah This post basically confirms bill as town. yeah but i was already confirmed town just people dont know how to read me there ain't shit to read yo Actually, if you don't believe my claim, there's no way I'm scum here. Cixah has the most suspicions about him from everyone else. No one dared townreading him. If I was scum with GB, I'd surely done everything possible to cement Cixah's status as scum. Like, how difficult is it to cast down suspicion on his claim or his general play if I just parrot GB? But I didn't. I went the way of high resistance and hard-defend and ride with him when you guys were still wondering what is what. Why, pray tell, would I do that as scum? I voted GB in a phase where everything was still undecided and stayed with it to the end . If I was scum with GB, why would I consolidate with Cixah at a critical juncture? Why would you do that as scum? Because then you could make this very simple post in your own defense and hope you'd be done with it. But the fact of the matter is that you made a very sketchy claim D1 and you've done absolutely nothing of value since. Like, I don't even know if you have any reads on anyone. All you've done is ride along with the chaos. ##vote plotspotAlso, I'm generally not someone who does a lot of set up speculation (mostly cuz I'm not sure what a "balanced" comp would be in any given game), but I want to throw in my two cents. If scum got an extra KP in GB's nuke, wouldn't town also get an extra KP somewhere? Watcher, tracker, and martyr seem like fairly weak town roles (unless I'm misunderstanding their strength) - I would kind of expect town to have extra KP somewhere. Like do you really believe I planned it all out up to this point? So that I copy-pasted this defense (which could be expressed in half the words) and be done with it? I do everything can I to get GB lynched, so that I am here telling you all this, instead of getting the lynch on Cixah and go "oh I thought he was scum, awww that's such a pity, but his tracker claim was so unbelievable, you guys agreed, right?" Like please please pretty please, consider some scum outside of me or LT, that would really help.
I'm not saying you had a post at the ready to copy-paste for defense. I'm saying that it is not hard for me to imagine that you, as a scum player, had the foresight to think "hmm, if I'm questioned about this, I can defend my actions with this information". You keep mentioning people having things prepared in scum QT or elsewhere to copy paste at the ready. As far as I'm aware, this isn't even something a townie would think about.
On July 07 2015 05:58 plotspot wrote:
I believe this claim, it looks like it is written out because he was provoked and was not a premeditated action prepared in the scum QT. Furthermore scum would probably claimed way later. Cixah feels like standing alone and not have mental support from scum mates.
What's hilarious is that your buddy GB claimed waaaaaaaaaay later.
You're right, you voted GB; but to say that you did everything you could to get him lynched is beyond laughable. It's called a bus, and we even discussed it earlier in the thread - it's not that uncommon. LT tried to get some shenannies onto Cixah after the GB claim, but it picked up 0 steam, there was no real opportunity for you to try and save GB after the 6ah claim.
I'm happy where my vote is.
But fine, I'll humor you. You said you have me and Cixah as town. Who are your scumreads?
Also, Asmo, you've been almost as quiet as your Librarians.
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When I said "chaos", I was referring to the normal town chaos of having no information in the beginning, and that you've just been content to do nothing while we run around with our heads up our asses.
I no longer think LT is your scum buddy. BM and possibly Asmo are good contenders, but I don't know yet.
On July 09 2015 03:31 plotspot wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2015 01:06 plotspot wrote:
"oh fuck did you see that?, he is partly responsible for why GB got lynched, but hey let's not kill him, we nuke wave first, then shoot VE, who was scumreading and voting for him, on the next day we make up some reasons to push him and gauge town's sentiment, soniv is suspicious of him, we got him on our side, we want to lynch this guy not shoot him, but let's not mention VE scumreading him yet, we bring that towards the EoD, we just make up why VE as a watcher could prove he is scum, or just use his interaction with VE to prove he is scum having removed VE" here soniv, just do it like this. Imagine me, GB and another person sitting in the scum QT, discussing the events before and after Cixah's claim. I'm sure you're in the fire for it now. Give it your best, imagine the craziest scenario. You can do it. Creativity makes happy.^^
I have imagined far crazier scenarios and been right, but didn't act on it. I'll try and find a link later (cuz now I really want to reread it for nostalgia lulz), but I shouldn't go digging through 2-3+ year old archives while I'm at work.
On July 09 2015 02:52 plotspot wrote:
And no I'm not giving out my scumread at this time, same reason I don't give out my townreads besides you two.
lol k
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On July 09 2015 19:37 plotspot wrote:
Guys, it's true, I haven't checked out my role pm. That's all there is to it. Why do you pay attention to the formatting and stuff? The italic stuff is the important ones. That's the reason why I could post it without getting modkilled, because it's not the real pm.
Calm down, we still got enough time left. Let's start with my townreads. ComaDose and BM. Not sure why the irony wasn't apparent? Maybe forum posts are really bad for it. My apologies.
On July 09 2015 20:04 plotspot wrote:
And why do I do that? Because then people can't scumread me, and I can just try my best and find scum. The downside is of course as the days go on, people want to know what I am and where I am at. So probably one day when they ran out of ideas, they will probably go for the statistical chance of me being mafia and grab it. They just need to find enough paranoid townies who support it and bam there you go.
If I was mafia in this, then it's actually better you find my remaining partner, and when you see no NK, there you go. Game won. If I was mafia you're actually playing with an additional townie, who really tries his best to find scum here. And I did read Cixah correctly and I did read GB correctly. But ok, if the confusion is more than you can handle, I can understand why you would want me out. I always thought people who play this game likes to be confused and surprised.^^
this is the dumbest shit I've ever read
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lol oh god coma you should've kept your shit posting to here not the Lounge!!!
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welcome back coma \o/
So plotspot, that was a fake claim concede? You've done nothing but lie this entire game lol
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On July 10 2015 06:54 Cixah wrote:
Holyflare would be proud friends.
However we have scum to lynch and I don't think its plot. Soniv, talk to me about dandel please.
He's someone I've thought a little about in the lull of the afternoon.
Rereading through his filter, I get mostly townie vibes. However, there are two things that concern me:
-His post quality hasn't really increased. Earlier in the game I mentioned that D1 dandel is almost always useless, and quality increases from there. That hasn't really happened to too large of an extent. Less than I would expect, anyway.
-He's still alive. Town dandel doesn't usually live long (often times partially caused by the above point), so being alive D3 is somewhat concerning. However, considering those who have fallen to scum night kills - Mordek(Wave), VE - I guess that makes it slightly more reasonable? If he continues to live through nights, I will be more concerned.
Also, I've got a pretty town read on Coma, so I won't be joining you on that train.
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On July 10 2015 08:23 Bill Murray wrote:
jcarlson has surprised me this game
k
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On July 10 2015 11:07 Cixah wrote:
The thing is, going back and reading where you guys start the end of d2 stuff his story makes a lot if genuine sense. Even to the point where soniv also trys to argue with my discrediting of gbs claim.
Are you referring to this post?
On July 07 2015 09:46 jcarlsoniv wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2015 09:42 GlowingBear wrote:
God I AM THE COP AND I HAVE A RED CHECK ON CIXAH, THAT'S WHY I DON'T BELIEVE HIS CLAIM oh what the hell guys come on Show nested quote +On July 07 2015 09:43 Cixah wrote:On July 07 2015 09:42 GlowingBear wrote:
God I AM THE COP AND I HAVE A RED CHECK ON CIXAH, THAT'S WHY I DON'T BELIEVE HIS CLAIM The absolute worst post I've seen in the thread. You can't red check me because I'm already town tracker. the fuck does this even mean?
If so, I questioned it because your argument made no sense. You claimed town tracker, sure. But we've had to just accept your word on it. Your argument can't be "but I told you guys I'm tracker, so I can't be scum". Now, hindsight 20/20, we know he was lying about having a red check on you. But at the time, your argument was flawed.
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On July 12 2015 14:55 Lord Tolkien wrote:
WHERE THE FUCK IS EVERYONE.
NYC \o/
I'm on board with a Bill Murray lynch.
On July 13 2015 06:56 ComaDose wrote:
soniv are you scum for not voting billybobmurrton or are you afk?
o/ You beat me before I could post lol.
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On July 13 2015 07:00 Dandel Ion wrote:
goddammit, a soniv modkill would have been the best
sry, can't get rid of me that easy
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On July 13 2015 07:14 Bill Murray wrote:
jcarlson is likely mafia for trying to discredit the post where GlowingBear labeled me as the person he wanted to lynch
he said oh hes just bussing
thats scum for you
##unvote;
vote: jcarlsoniv
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I said that just because he listed you in a post with 2 other town doesn't confirm you town. I know at least LT also had the same response.
Up until the night after plotspot died and the first half of this day, I've been doing things. A few people have said that I haven't really done much, but that's not really true. I haven't been right in my scum reads, but that doesn't mean I haven't done anything.
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On July 13 2015 08:15 Lord Tolkien wrote:
Actually, show of hands.
How many people want to yolo onto Dandel RIGHT NOW.
No shenannies swaglord
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On July 13 2015 08:17 jcarlsoniv wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2015 08:15 Lord Tolkien wrote:
Actually, show of hands.
How many people want to yolo onto Dandel RIGHT NOW. No shenannies swaglord
It's too early to be considered a shenanny, nvm. I'm not sure on Dandel though, he actually finally made insightful posts.
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Although him being just alive is cause enough for suspicion
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