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On July 08 2015 23:00 jcarlsoniv wrote:After some consideration, I have arrived at the conclusion that LT is probably not scum. For a couple reasons: -I honestly don't think LT is that stupid. -I agree that a no lynch is not a good idea today. And the fact that LT immediately stands up against a no lynch when it seems like people want him dead today shows in LT's favor. However, I have also reaffirmed my thoughts that plotspot is very likely scum. Show nested quote +On July 08 2015 20:06 plotspot wrote:On July 08 2015 10:04 jcarlsoniv wrote:Why I think LT looks scummy GB flipped red, see previous big post on LT lol. And to address your earlier post: On July 07 2015 10:36 Lord Tolkien wrote:
The very thought that GB flipping scum implicates me is hilarious. It's really not that absurd. You believed Cixah's claim based on the fact that it was "so sketchy it makes sense" (paraphrasing). But as soon as GB came in and did a last minute claim, you wanted to pull some major shenannies. I mentioned how content he was with plotspot's original claim and how it hasn't sat right with me. The main thing giving me pause is that I find it hard to believe LT would be that dumb. He's either stupid town or really stupid scum. plotspot, on the other hand, has done fuck all except for random speculation all game. At least I have an idea of what LT's reads are... plotspot I have no fucking clue what he thinks about other people in the game. As I've typed this out, I've decided that if I had to choose between the two, I'd go with plotspot. He's more likely scum solely based off of pure feigned activity. On July 08 2015 08:00 Bill Murray wrote:On July 07 2015 10:27 Cixah wrote:On July 07 2015 06:11 GlowingBear wrote:On July 07 2015 05:58 WaveofShadow wrote:On July 07 2015 05:49 GlowingBear wrote:
He claimed under pressure and he tried to track Dandel. It doesn't make sense to me.
Why wouldn't he track another guy he was suspecting and was coasting, like Bill Murray or even asmo? Why traxking someone who would probably never carry kp after lynching town Holyflare?
His claim is most likely fake Also I'd like to make note here that he is questioning the claim using a mafia mindset. Who is thinking about scum delivering KP? Scum is. In my last game I blundered as scum when Oats (fake)claimed cop by immediately attacking how his checks were terrible rather than the veracity of the claim itself. My vote is absolutely cemented today. Once again you guys can do what you like but I don't really have more to say on the matter. I choose to believe cixah's claim and until I see a flip one way or another I have no reason to believe otherwise. This is the dumbest shit you have said all game If the guy is a tracker he is obviously thinking about who might be delivering kp. This is such a poor argument that it can't be coming from town wave. I refuse to believe you can be this bad as town. This is Himalaya all over. Cixah, Wave, Bill MurrayIn case I really get lynched, this is the scum team. Go against them when I flip, ESPECIALLY Cixah This post basically confirms bill as town. yeah but i was already confirmed town just people dont know how to read me there ain't shit to read yo Actually, if you don't believe my claim, there's no way I'm scum here. Cixah has the most suspicions about him from everyone else. No one dared townreading him. If I was scum with GB, I'd surely done everything possible to cement Cixah's status as scum. Like, how difficult is it to cast down suspicion on his claim or his general play if I just parrot GB? But I didn't. I went the way of high resistance and hard-defend and ride with him when you guys were still wondering what is what. Why, pray tell, would I do that as scum? I voted GB in a phase where everything was still undecided and stayed with it to the end . If I was scum with GB, why would I consolidate with Cixah at a critical juncture? Why would you do that as scum? Because then you could make this very simple post in your own defense and hope you'd be done with it. But the fact of the matter is that you made a very sketchy claim D1 and you've done absolutely nothing of value since. Like, I don't even know if you have any reads on anyone. All you've done is ride along with the chaos. ##vote plotspotAlso, I'm generally not someone who does a lot of set up speculation (mostly cuz I'm not sure what a "balanced" comp would be in any given game), but I want to throw in my two cents. If scum got an extra KP in GB's nuke, wouldn't town also get an extra KP somewhere? Watcher, tracker, and martyr seem like fairly weak town roles (unless I'm misunderstanding their strength) - I would kind of expect town to have extra KP somewhere.
Like do you really believe I planned it all out up to this point? So that I copy-pasted this defense (which could be expressed in half the words) and be done with it? I do everything can I to get GB lynched, so that I am here telling you all this, instead of getting the lynch on Cixah and go "oh I thought he was scum, awww that's such a pity, but his tracker claim was so unbelievable, you guys agreed, right?"
Like please please pretty please, consider some scum outside of me or LT, that would really help.
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Reminds me of this guy I played with last game. He even got a 2000 words essay down, imagining every detailed move I made, here
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=24343783
Don't need to read it, it was just his friggen fantasy. Really, if you want to go down that road, please be my guess. I can just assure you, it's not worth it, you won't find anything down there, just trust me. If I am scum in this game it's purely based on percentages and statistics. I am not some scum masterminder here.
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I really don't like any of you right now.
Everything you guys post this game is WIFOM or OMGUS. I have to go read filters now.
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naw cixah everything i post is jinx face
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yamato doesnt even have his op updated i have to do work at work this is lame
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1. Wave got nuked
2. Tolkien
3. Holyflare mayor lynch
4. Sonib
5. Coma
6. Mordek martyr
7. GlowingBear nuker lynched
8. ASMODEUSXI
9. VisceraEyes watcher
10. Bill
11. Dandel
12. Cixah
13. Plotspot
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On July 08 2015 23:59 plotspot wrote:
Soniv I think you're in some serious tunnel or confirmation bias if you think I am scum when I don't even know whether I am town or scum.
The glaring flaw in your thought process is that I don't believe your claim.
On July 09 2015 01:21 plotspot wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2015 23:00 jcarlsoniv wrote:After some consideration, I have arrived at the conclusion that LT is probably not scum. For a couple reasons: -I honestly don't think LT is that stupid. -I agree that a no lynch is not a good idea today. And the fact that LT immediately stands up against a no lynch when it seems like people want him dead today shows in LT's favor. However, I have also reaffirmed my thoughts that plotspot is very likely scum. On July 08 2015 20:06 plotspot wrote:On July 08 2015 10:04 jcarlsoniv wrote:Why I think LT looks scummy GB flipped red, see previous big post on LT lol. And to address your earlier post: On July 07 2015 10:36 Lord Tolkien wrote:
The very thought that GB flipping scum implicates me is hilarious. It's really not that absurd. You believed Cixah's claim based on the fact that it was "so sketchy it makes sense" (paraphrasing). But as soon as GB came in and did a last minute claim, you wanted to pull some major shenannies. I mentioned how content he was with plotspot's original claim and how it hasn't sat right with me. The main thing giving me pause is that I find it hard to believe LT would be that dumb. He's either stupid town or really stupid scum. plotspot, on the other hand, has done fuck all except for random speculation all game. At least I have an idea of what LT's reads are... plotspot I have no fucking clue what he thinks about other people in the game. As I've typed this out, I've decided that if I had to choose between the two, I'd go with plotspot. He's more likely scum solely based off of pure feigned activity. On July 08 2015 08:00 Bill Murray wrote:On July 07 2015 10:27 Cixah wrote:On July 07 2015 06:11 GlowingBear wrote:On July 07 2015 05:58 WaveofShadow wrote:On July 07 2015 05:49 GlowingBear wrote:
He claimed under pressure and he tried to track Dandel. It doesn't make sense to me.
Why wouldn't he track another guy he was suspecting and was coasting, like Bill Murray or even asmo? Why traxking someone who would probably never carry kp after lynching town Holyflare?
His claim is most likely fake Also I'd like to make note here that he is questioning the claim using a mafia mindset. Who is thinking about scum delivering KP? Scum is. In my last game I blundered as scum when Oats (fake)claimed cop by immediately attacking how his checks were terrible rather than the veracity of the claim itself. My vote is absolutely cemented today. Once again you guys can do what you like but I don't really have more to say on the matter. I choose to believe cixah's claim and until I see a flip one way or another I have no reason to believe otherwise. This is the dumbest shit you have said all game If the guy is a tracker he is obviously thinking about who might be delivering kp. This is such a poor argument that it can't be coming from town wave. I refuse to believe you can be this bad as town. This is Himalaya all over. Cixah, Wave, Bill MurrayIn case I really get lynched, this is the scum team. Go against them when I flip, ESPECIALLY Cixah This post basically confirms bill as town. yeah but i was already confirmed town just people dont know how to read me there ain't shit to read yo Actually, if you don't believe my claim, there's no way I'm scum here. Cixah has the most suspicions about him from everyone else. No one dared townreading him. If I was scum with GB, I'd surely done everything possible to cement Cixah's status as scum. Like, how difficult is it to cast down suspicion on his claim or his general play if I just parrot GB? But I didn't. I went the way of high resistance and hard-defend and ride with him when you guys were still wondering what is what. Why, pray tell, would I do that as scum? I voted GB in a phase where everything was still undecided and stayed with it to the end . If I was scum with GB, why would I consolidate with Cixah at a critical juncture? Why would you do that as scum? Because then you could make this very simple post in your own defense and hope you'd be done with it. But the fact of the matter is that you made a very sketchy claim D1 and you've done absolutely nothing of value since. Like, I don't even know if you have any reads on anyone. All you've done is ride along with the chaos. ##vote plotspotAlso, I'm generally not someone who does a lot of set up speculation (mostly cuz I'm not sure what a "balanced" comp would be in any given game), but I want to throw in my two cents. If scum got an extra KP in GB's nuke, wouldn't town also get an extra KP somewhere? Watcher, tracker, and martyr seem like fairly weak town roles (unless I'm misunderstanding their strength) - I would kind of expect town to have extra KP somewhere. Like do you really believe I planned it all out up to this point? So that I copy-pasted this defense (which could be expressed in half the words) and be done with it? I do everything can I to get GB lynched, so that I am here telling you all this, instead of getting the lynch on Cixah and go "oh I thought he was scum, awww that's such a pity, but his tracker claim was so unbelievable, you guys agreed, right?" Like please please pretty please, consider some scum outside of me or LT, that would really help.
I'm not saying you had a post at the ready to copy-paste for defense. I'm saying that it is not hard for me to imagine that you, as a scum player, had the foresight to think "hmm, if I'm questioned about this, I can defend my actions with this information". You keep mentioning people having things prepared in scum QT or elsewhere to copy paste at the ready. As far as I'm aware, this isn't even something a townie would think about.
On July 07 2015 05:58 plotspot wrote:
I believe this claim, it looks like it is written out because he was provoked and was not a premeditated action prepared in the scum QT. Furthermore scum would probably claimed way later. Cixah feels like standing alone and not have mental support from scum mates.
What's hilarious is that your buddy GB claimed waaaaaaaaaay later.
You're right, you voted GB; but to say that you did everything you could to get him lynched is beyond laughable. It's called a bus, and we even discussed it earlier in the thread - it's not that uncommon. LT tried to get some shenannies onto Cixah after the GB claim, but it picked up 0 steam, there was no real opportunity for you to try and save GB after the 6ah claim.
I'm happy where my vote is.
But fine, I'll humor you. You said you have me and Cixah as town. Who are your scumreads?
Also, Asmo, you've been almost as quiet as your Librarians.
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On July 09 2015 02:24 jcarlsoniv wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2015 23:59 plotspot wrote:
Soniv I think you're in some serious tunnel or confirmation bias if you think I am scum when I don't even know whether I am town or scum.
The glaring flaw in your thought process is that I don't believe your claim. Show nested quote +On July 09 2015 01:21 plotspot wrote:On July 08 2015 23:00 jcarlsoniv wrote:After some consideration, I have arrived at the conclusion that LT is probably not scum. For a couple reasons: -I honestly don't think LT is that stupid. -I agree that a no lynch is not a good idea today. And the fact that LT immediately stands up against a no lynch when it seems like people want him dead today shows in LT's favor. However, I have also reaffirmed my thoughts that plotspot is very likely scum. On July 08 2015 20:06 plotspot wrote:On July 08 2015 10:04 jcarlsoniv wrote:Why I think LT looks scummy GB flipped red, see previous big post on LT lol. And to address your earlier post: On July 07 2015 10:36 Lord Tolkien wrote:
The very thought that GB flipping scum implicates me is hilarious. It's really not that absurd. You believed Cixah's claim based on the fact that it was "so sketchy it makes sense" (paraphrasing). But as soon as GB came in and did a last minute claim, you wanted to pull some major shenannies. I mentioned how content he was with plotspot's original claim and how it hasn't sat right with me. The main thing giving me pause is that I find it hard to believe LT would be that dumb. He's either stupid town or really stupid scum. plotspot, on the other hand, has done fuck all except for random speculation all game. At least I have an idea of what LT's reads are... plotspot I have no fucking clue what he thinks about other people in the game. As I've typed this out, I've decided that if I had to choose between the two, I'd go with plotspot. He's more likely scum solely based off of pure feigned activity. On July 08 2015 08:00 Bill Murray wrote:On July 07 2015 10:27 Cixah wrote:On July 07 2015 06:11 GlowingBear wrote:On July 07 2015 05:58 WaveofShadow wrote:On July 07 2015 05:49 GlowingBear wrote:
He claimed under pressure and he tried to track Dandel. It doesn't make sense to me.
Why wouldn't he track another guy he was suspecting and was coasting, like Bill Murray or even asmo? Why traxking someone who would probably never carry kp after lynching town Holyflare?
His claim is most likely fake Also I'd like to make note here that he is questioning the claim using a mafia mindset. Who is thinking about scum delivering KP? Scum is. In my last game I blundered as scum when Oats (fake)claimed cop by immediately attacking how his checks were terrible rather than the veracity of the claim itself. My vote is absolutely cemented today. Once again you guys can do what you like but I don't really have more to say on the matter. I choose to believe cixah's claim and until I see a flip one way or another I have no reason to believe otherwise. This is the dumbest shit you have said all game If the guy is a tracker he is obviously thinking about who might be delivering kp. This is such a poor argument that it can't be coming from town wave. I refuse to believe you can be this bad as town. This is Himalaya all over. Cixah, Wave, Bill MurrayIn case I really get lynched, this is the scum team. Go against them when I flip, ESPECIALLY Cixah This post basically confirms bill as town. yeah but i was already confirmed town just people dont know how to read me there ain't shit to read yo Actually, if you don't believe my claim, there's no way I'm scum here. Cixah has the most suspicions about him from everyone else. No one dared townreading him. If I was scum with GB, I'd surely done everything possible to cement Cixah's status as scum. Like, how difficult is it to cast down suspicion on his claim or his general play if I just parrot GB? But I didn't. I went the way of high resistance and hard-defend and ride with him when you guys were still wondering what is what. Why, pray tell, would I do that as scum? I voted GB in a phase where everything was still undecided and stayed with it to the end . If I was scum with GB, why would I consolidate with Cixah at a critical juncture? Why would you do that as scum? Because then you could make this very simple post in your own defense and hope you'd be done with it. But the fact of the matter is that you made a very sketchy claim D1 and you've done absolutely nothing of value since. Like, I don't even know if you have any reads on anyone. All you've done is ride along with the chaos. ##vote plotspotAlso, I'm generally not someone who does a lot of set up speculation (mostly cuz I'm not sure what a "balanced" comp would be in any given game), but I want to throw in my two cents. If scum got an extra KP in GB's nuke, wouldn't town also get an extra KP somewhere? Watcher, tracker, and martyr seem like fairly weak town roles (unless I'm misunderstanding their strength) - I would kind of expect town to have extra KP somewhere. Like do you really believe I planned it all out up to this point? So that I copy-pasted this defense (which could be expressed in half the words) and be done with it? I do everything can I to get GB lynched, so that I am here telling you all this, instead of getting the lynch on Cixah and go "oh I thought he was scum, awww that's such a pity, but his tracker claim was so unbelievable, you guys agreed, right?" Like please please pretty please, consider some scum outside of me or LT, that would really help. I'm not saying you had a post at the ready to copy-paste for defense. I'm saying that it is not hard for me to imagine that you, as a scum player, had the foresight to think "hmm, if I'm questioned about this, I can defend my actions with this information". You keep mentioning people having things prepared in scum QT or elsewhere to copy paste at the ready. As far as I'm aware, this isn't even something a townie would think about. Show nested quote +On July 07 2015 05:58 plotspot wrote:
I believe this claim, it looks like it is written out because he was provoked and was not a premeditated action prepared in the scum QT. Furthermore scum would probably claimed way later. Cixah feels like standing alone and not have mental support from scum mates. What's hilarious is that your buddy GB claimed waaaaaaaaaay later.
You're right, you voted GB; but to say that you did everything you could to get him lynched is beyond laughable. It's called a bus, and we even discussed it earlier in the thread - it's not that uncommon. LT tried to get some shenannies onto Cixah after the GB claim, but it picked up 0 steam, there was no real opportunity for you to try and save GB after the 6ah claim.I'm happy where my vote is. But fine, I'll humor you. You said you have me and Cixah as town. Who are your scumreads?Also, Asmo, you've been almost as quiet as your Librarians.
yea that is indeed funny^^. I gave instructions to GB without knowing it.^^
I did everything I could. I monitored the process, he claimed cop, I even denied it. You even asked about what game I was referring to, I even ask why GB didn't check on me, when I had the ???. Lol don't tell me you couldn't have been swayed anyway. But just as I could say anything now, so can you.
So you totally believe that while you think I planned it all out, that I wasn't able to save GB, even If I wanted to, so I bussed him as early as possible to get the credit? So you basically say nothing could have prevented GB from being lynched, as soon as Cixah claimed? And then for some reason I rode the chaos down to lynching my own partner? What chaos? Didn't you just say GB was doomed anyway? You either believe there was chaos and confusion or you don't, and if you believe there was chaos and confusion, you simply must believe that GB was still rescuable, and I as his partner refused to do it, even when two people believed him and actually jumped on Cixah. Really?
And no I'm not giving out my scumread at this time, same reason I don't give out my townreads besides you two.
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Like who is my friggen partner besides GB in all this? Was I instructed to bus loudly earlier and another guy to bus it silently later? Let's say LT is my partner, he tried to shift it away from GB. What do I do? Go totally against it and shut it down? Is that our glorious masterplan?
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On July 09 2015 01:06 plotspot wrote:
"oh fuck did you see that?, he is partly responsible for why GB got lynched, but hey let's not kill him, we nuke wave first, then shoot VE, who was scumreading and voting for him, on the next day we make up some reasons to push him and gauge town's sentiment, soniv is suspicious of him, we got him on our side, we want to lynch this guy not shoot him, but let's not mention VE scumreading him yet, we bring that towards the EoD, we just make up why VE as a watcher could prove he is scum, or just use his interaction with VE to prove he is scum having removed VE"
here soniv, just do it like this. Imagine me, GB and another person sitting in the scum QT, discussing the events before and after Cixah's claim. I'm sure you're in the fire for it now. Give it your best, imagine the craziest scenario. You can do it. Creativity makes happy.^^
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so 8 left? we assume 2 mafia left? (jinxfacenotaslip) even if we lynch wrong tonight its 4-2 for town? why would we nolynch?
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When I said "chaos", I was referring to the normal town chaos of having no information in the beginning, and that you've just been content to do nothing while we run around with our heads up our asses.
I no longer think LT is your scum buddy. BM and possibly Asmo are good contenders, but I don't know yet.
On July 09 2015 03:31 plotspot wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2015 01:06 plotspot wrote:
"oh fuck did you see that?, he is partly responsible for why GB got lynched, but hey let's not kill him, we nuke wave first, then shoot VE, who was scumreading and voting for him, on the next day we make up some reasons to push him and gauge town's sentiment, soniv is suspicious of him, we got him on our side, we want to lynch this guy not shoot him, but let's not mention VE scumreading him yet, we bring that towards the EoD, we just make up why VE as a watcher could prove he is scum, or just use his interaction with VE to prove he is scum having removed VE" here soniv, just do it like this. Imagine me, GB and another person sitting in the scum QT, discussing the events before and after Cixah's claim. I'm sure you're in the fire for it now. Give it your best, imagine the craziest scenario. You can do it. Creativity makes happy.^^
I have imagined far crazier scenarios and been right, but didn't act on it. I'll try and find a link later (cuz now I really want to reread it for nostalgia lulz), but I shouldn't go digging through 2-3+ year old archives while I'm at work.
On July 09 2015 02:52 plotspot wrote:
And no I'm not giving out my scumread at this time, same reason I don't give out my townreads besides you two.
lol k
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Sorry I'm such a quiet shitter.
I will have to look back into BM's filter. I suspected him for scum before, but I want to reconfirm suspicions.
I still don't think Coma looks super good, but I'll double check on that as well.
I'm more on your wavelength about LT now soniv, but it's hard to shake that scum suspicion as well. We'll see.
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Oh yeah, plot.
Top contenders for me atm are BM and plot. LT and Coma are next, but that suspicion has waned as the day's gone on.
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i dont look good cause i followed LT when he believed GB.
but im sorry and i promise ill never do it again.
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On July 09 2015 02:52 plotspot wrote:
And no I'm not giving out my scumread at this time, same reason I don't give out my townreads besides you two.
wat
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On July 09 2015 03:42 ComaDose wrote:
so 8 left? we assume 2 mafia left? (jinxfacenotaslip) even if we lynch wrong tonight its 4-2 for town? why would we nolynch?
Theoretically it reduces the next day to 3-2, and the chance of hitting mafia is bigger. Practically in the games I played and watched so far, there is no no-lynch. A person brings it up, people hmm hmm about it for a while, but it never gets done. Usually the person suggesting it is scumread for not trying to find scum and stall the game needlessly or bring up this discussion to distract from the actual scum hunt.
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why would it be 3-2 and not 5-2 if there are 8 left? mafia only gets to kill one and there are 8 left right?
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oh I read it as" if we mislynch today we end up in 4-2. Why would we no lynch (then)?"
the same argument applies though, a 5-2 is a better chance than 6-2, but a 3-2 to 4-2 is obviously better than 5-2 to 6-2. The thing is if you no-lynch today you will most likely have 5-2 and then 3-2 if you no-lynch the 6-2 day and mislynch the 5-2 day. It is theoretically better than a day of 6-2 and 4-2 or even a day of 6-2 and 3-2 (if you no lynch the 4-2 day)
In summary, theoretically: 5-2 and 3-2 > 6-2 and 3-2 > 6-2 and 4-2
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