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Lord Tolkien
Profile Joined November 2012
United States12083 Posts
July 08 2015 10:32 GMT
#1141
Also, BM was advocating for a no lynch start of D3. I would fking lynch him for that right then and there.

Mentioning #nolynch beginning of day only really hurts town. All you get is an entire day of "to lynch or not to lynch, that is the question" discussion that detracts from scum hunting (or you get early agreement from everyone and we jerk off for an entire day). Again, its an option to keep in the pocket, but no, this is absurd, especially since we can just no lynch another day.
"His father is pretty juicy tbh." ~WaveofShadow
Lord Tolkien
Profile Joined November 2012
United States12083 Posts
July 08 2015 10:37 GMT
#1142
I'm going to close my defense on this retarded case with the following:

On July 08 2015 13:46 Cixah wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 08 2015 13:39 Lord Tolkien wrote:
On July 08 2015 13:36 Bill Murray wrote:
he's flailing now too

Because this case on me is getting stupider by the hour.


On what grounds is it stupid? You've done nothing but distance yourself from GB on d1 and d2, which I can see as being planned in the case of him get lynched in order to make yourself look better. The end of day 2 and lack of posting on either night content nor leading town during those times does you NO favors.

1) End of Day 2 shenanies would be stupid if I were scum. Like, so goddamn retarded for me to make that kind of scene, when it's highly unlikely that other people would actually follow (because lol inactivity or otherwise).

2) I did respond to you and sonib. lel

If this was written by asmo I would completely lynch him over how bad the reasoning here is, imo. You get a pass because GB was pushing you as the alternate bandwagon + Show Spoiler +
(it's still entirely possible you and GB were wifoming the shit out of this but eh, rather remote possibility)
.
"His father is pretty juicy tbh." ~WaveofShadow
Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
July 08 2015 10:49 GMT
#1143
sup
rip
A backwards poet writes inverse.
Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
July 08 2015 11:04 GMT
#1144
dunno assuming 3 mafia in a 13p game is not a slip but it seems you all are forgetting about the yung coastlord who claimed 3p.
who makes NLing more retarded cuz if he's survivor or something along those lines it'd be 5-1-2 -> 4-1-2 aka MYLO for free

if he's traitor like claimed we're actually in mylo today (assuming 3 other scum).
which is why i would say the smartest thing to do today would be to vote him out before we go into silly scenarios where we can't afford to anymore.

best case he was scum fakeclaiming to get some free coasting in and we in this.

tldr policy lynch while we still can
A backwards poet writes inverse.
Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
July 08 2015 11:04 GMT
#1145
##Vote: plotspot
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Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
July 08 2015 11:06 GMT
#1146
That said BM is pretty scummy and I'd be on #teamtolk here
but im not because poooooooooolicylyyyyyyyynchtraaaaaaaaaaaaain

i hyped it it better become a train now
A backwards poet writes inverse.
plotspot
Profile Joined October 2014
800 Posts
July 08 2015 11:06 GMT
#1147
On July 08 2015 10:04 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Why I think LT looks scummy

GB flipped red, see previous big post on LT lol. And to address your earlier post:

Show nested quote +
On July 07 2015 10:36 Lord Tolkien wrote:
The very thought that GB flipping scum implicates me is hilarious.


It's really not that absurd. You believed Cixah's claim based on the fact that it was "so sketchy it makes sense" (paraphrasing). But as soon as GB came in and did a last minute claim, you wanted to pull some major shenannies.

I mentioned how content he was with plotspot's original claim and how it hasn't sat right with me.

The main thing giving me pause is that I find it hard to believe LT would be that dumb. He's either stupid town or really stupid scum.

plotspot, on the other hand, has done fuck all except for random speculation all game. At least I have an idea of what LT's reads are... plotspot I have no fucking clue what he thinks about other people in the game.

As I've typed this out, I've decided that if I had to choose between the two, I'd go with plotspot. He's more likely scum solely based off of pure feigned activity.

Show nested quote +
On July 08 2015 08:00 Bill Murray wrote:
On July 07 2015 10:27 Cixah wrote:
On July 07 2015 06:11 GlowingBear wrote:
On July 07 2015 05:58 WaveofShadow wrote:
On July 07 2015 05:49 GlowingBear wrote:
He claimed under pressure and he tried to track Dandel. It doesn't make sense to me.
Why wouldn't he track another guy he was suspecting and was coasting, like Bill Murray or even asmo? Why traxking someone who would probably never carry kp after lynching town Holyflare?

His claim is most likely fake

Also I'd like to make note here that he is questioning the claim using a mafia mindset.
Who is thinking about scum delivering KP? Scum is.

In my last game I blundered as scum when Oats (fake)claimed cop by immediately attacking how his checks were terrible rather than the veracity of the claim itself.

My vote is absolutely cemented today.
Once again you guys can do what you like but I don't really have more to say on the matter. I choose to believe cixah's claim and until I see a flip one way or another I have no reason to believe otherwise.


This is the dumbest shit you have said all game
If the guy is a tracker he is obviously thinking about who might be delivering kp.

This is such a poor argument that it can't be coming from town wave. I refuse to believe you can be this bad as town. This is Himalaya all over.

Cixah, Wave, Bill Murray

In case I really get lynched, this is the scum team. Go against them when I flip, ESPECIALLY Cixah



This post basically confirms bill as town.

yeah but i was already confirmed town

just people dont know how to read me


there ain't shit to read yo


Actually, if you don't believe my claim, there's no way I'm scum here. Cixah has the most suspicions about him from everyone else. No one dared townreading him. If I was scum with GB, I'd surely done everything possible to cement Cixah's status as scum. Like, how difficult is it to cast down suspicion on his claim or his general play if I just parrot GB?

But I didn't. I went the way of high resistance and hard-defend and ride with him when you guys were still wondering what is what. Why, pray tell, would I do that as scum? I voted GB in a phase where everything was still undecided and stayed with it to the end . If I was scum with GB, why would I consolidate with Cixah at a critical juncture?
Lord Tolkien
Profile Joined November 2012
United States12083 Posts
July 08 2015 11:25 GMT
#1148
On July 08 2015 20:06 Dandel Ion wrote:
That said BM is pretty scummy and I'd be on #teamtolk here
but im not because poooooooooolicylyyyyyyyynchtraaaaaaaaaaaaain

i hyped it it better become a train now

Totally fine with this as well.

I was going to vote plot, but fking BM's "slip" is retarded as all fuck and reeks of bandwagon.
"His father is pretty juicy tbh." ~WaveofShadow
Lord Tolkien
Profile Joined November 2012
United States12083 Posts
July 08 2015 11:32 GMT
#1149
Last reiteration, the only two (outside of myself) I consider most likely town is soniv and cixah. Anyone outside of them (and me) is under consideration for lynch. Maybe not Dandel because he's already pocketed me, but everyone else.
"His father is pretty juicy tbh." ~WaveofShadow
Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
July 08 2015 11:34 GMT
#1150
P O C K E T B O I S

And i understand that but honestly things like thoughts and feelings will just get in the way of who needs to be done today.
A backwards poet writes inverse.
plotspot
Profile Joined October 2014
800 Posts
July 08 2015 13:34 GMT
#1151
On July 08 2015 20:04 Dandel Ion wrote:
dunno assuming 3 mafia in a 13p game is not a slip but it seems you all are forgetting about the yung coastlord who claimed 3p.
who makes NLing more retarded cuz if he's survivor or something along those lines it'd be 5-1-2 -> 4-1-2 aka MYLO for free

if he's traitor like claimed we're actually in mylo today (assuming 3 other scum).
which is why i would say the smartest thing to do today would be to vote him out before we go into silly scenarios where we can't afford to anymore.

best case he was scum fakeclaiming to get some free coasting in and we in this.

tldr policy lynch while we still can


This is nice and considers 100% of the cases.^^
jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
July 08 2015 14:00 GMT
#1152
After some consideration, I have arrived at the conclusion that LT is probably not scum. For a couple reasons:
-I honestly don't think LT is that stupid.
-I agree that a no lynch is not a good idea today. And the fact that LT immediately stands up against a no lynch when it seems like people want him dead today shows in LT's favor.

However, I have also reaffirmed my thoughts that plotspot is very likely scum.

On July 08 2015 20:06 plotspot wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 08 2015 10:04 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Why I think LT looks scummy

GB flipped red, see previous big post on LT lol. And to address your earlier post:

On July 07 2015 10:36 Lord Tolkien wrote:
The very thought that GB flipping scum implicates me is hilarious.


It's really not that absurd. You believed Cixah's claim based on the fact that it was "so sketchy it makes sense" (paraphrasing). But as soon as GB came in and did a last minute claim, you wanted to pull some major shenannies.

I mentioned how content he was with plotspot's original claim and how it hasn't sat right with me.

The main thing giving me pause is that I find it hard to believe LT would be that dumb. He's either stupid town or really stupid scum.

plotspot, on the other hand, has done fuck all except for random speculation all game. At least I have an idea of what LT's reads are... plotspot I have no fucking clue what he thinks about other people in the game.

As I've typed this out, I've decided that if I had to choose between the two, I'd go with plotspot. He's more likely scum solely based off of pure feigned activity.

On July 08 2015 08:00 Bill Murray wrote:
On July 07 2015 10:27 Cixah wrote:
On July 07 2015 06:11 GlowingBear wrote:
On July 07 2015 05:58 WaveofShadow wrote:
On July 07 2015 05:49 GlowingBear wrote:
He claimed under pressure and he tried to track Dandel. It doesn't make sense to me.
Why wouldn't he track another guy he was suspecting and was coasting, like Bill Murray or even asmo? Why traxking someone who would probably never carry kp after lynching town Holyflare?

His claim is most likely fake

Also I'd like to make note here that he is questioning the claim using a mafia mindset.
Who is thinking about scum delivering KP? Scum is.

In my last game I blundered as scum when Oats (fake)claimed cop by immediately attacking how his checks were terrible rather than the veracity of the claim itself.

My vote is absolutely cemented today.
Once again you guys can do what you like but I don't really have more to say on the matter. I choose to believe cixah's claim and until I see a flip one way or another I have no reason to believe otherwise.


This is the dumbest shit you have said all game
If the guy is a tracker he is obviously thinking about who might be delivering kp.

This is such a poor argument that it can't be coming from town wave. I refuse to believe you can be this bad as town. This is Himalaya all over.

Cixah, Wave, Bill Murray

In case I really get lynched, this is the scum team. Go against them when I flip, ESPECIALLY Cixah



This post basically confirms bill as town.

yeah but i was already confirmed town

just people dont know how to read me


there ain't shit to read yo


Actually, if you don't believe my claim, there's no way I'm scum here. Cixah has the most suspicions about him from everyone else. No one dared townreading him. If I was scum with GB, I'd surely done everything possible to cement Cixah's status as scum. Like, how difficult is it to cast down suspicion on his claim or his general play if I just parrot GB?

But I didn't. I went the way of high resistance and hard-defend and ride with him when you guys were still wondering what is what. Why, pray tell, would I do that as scum? I voted GB in a phase where everything was still undecided and stayed with it to the end . If I was scum with GB, why would I consolidate with Cixah at a critical juncture?


Why would you do that as scum? Because then you could make this very simple post in your own defense and hope you'd be done with it. But the fact of the matter is that you made a very sketchy claim D1 and you've done absolutely nothing of value since. Like, I don't even know if you have any reads on anyone. All you've done is ride along with the chaos.

##vote plotspot

Also, I'm generally not someone who does a lot of set up speculation (mostly cuz I'm not sure what a "balanced" comp would be in any given game), but I want to throw in my two cents. If scum got an extra KP in GB's nuke, wouldn't town also get an extra KP somewhere? Watcher, tracker, and martyr seem like fairly weak town roles (unless I'm misunderstanding their strength) - I would kind of expect town to have extra KP somewhere.
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ComaDose
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Canada10357 Posts
July 08 2015 14:14 GMT
#1153
like a vigil anti?
BW pros training sc2 is like kiss making a dub step album.
ComaDose
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Canada10357 Posts
July 08 2015 14:14 GMT
#1154
vigilante* lol
BW pros training sc2 is like kiss making a dub step album.
Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
July 08 2015 14:19 GMT
#1155
Watcher is an incredibly strong role, tracker is pretty good, esp. in a mini.

if we do have both it kinda makes sense to have weak protection and no KP imo
A backwards poet writes inverse.
plotspot
Profile Joined October 2014
800 Posts
July 08 2015 14:59 GMT
#1156
buh^^ here is me giving more info.
my play is absolutely NAI, whatever anyone says, and I actually sided with Cixah and vote a mafia who used his (Cixah's) inexperience to get on his throat. What were you doing? Noodling with the rest? Asking wave for advice?

Soniv I think you're in some serious tunnel or confirmation bias if you think I am scum when I don't even know whether I am town or scum. I have you as town. Oh is this an pocket attempt? I have Cixah as town. Oh is this a scum plot I decided on earlier with GB? I have soniv and Cixah as town. Am I parroting LT? Am I following some sort of town sentiment?

I have most of my reads together, the rest of the townies are good material for interaction observation, I don't disclose them now. I disclosed my townread the day before when it was necessary to go firm with it. Lol riding chaos, lol doing nothing. All my spammy chatty posts with Dandel, BM or the HF theory were just silly night post banter if you noticed, because no real relevant info ever leaks there.
plotspot
Profile Joined October 2014
800 Posts
July 08 2015 15:12 GMT
#1157
I never disclosed it but I read GB independently scum from Cixah, because he actually didn't seem like he was making individual reads when he first posted his reads, but was actually gauging and reading the game sentiments through some professional eyes. That he went for Cixah is just the nail on the coffin, as soon as I believed Cixah to be town.

You don't consider observing and misdirection of scum some sort of a skill a townie should have, do you? For you it must be clear; I want everyone's read, I want no shenanigans, I want to know what your claim means, I want to consult wave, I want to take no responsibility if things go wrong.

ComaDose
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Canada10357 Posts
July 08 2015 15:51 GMT
#1158
BM LT drama has me reading BM as scummy honestly. no lynch makes no sense to me... i guess its cause we lose two today if we mislynch?
BW pros training sc2 is like kiss making a dub step album.
ComaDose
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Canada10357 Posts
July 08 2015 15:58 GMT
#1159
hey wasnt he assuming there were 2 mods left when he said no lynch then jumped down LTs throat for assuming 2 mods left
BW pros training sc2 is like kiss making a dub step album.
plotspot
Profile Joined October 2014
800 Posts
July 08 2015 16:06 GMT
#1160
"oh fuck did you see that?, he is partly responsible for why GB got lynched, but hey let's not kill him, we nuke wave first, then shoot VE, who was scumreading and voting for him, on the next day we make up some reasons to push him and gauge town's sentiment, soniv is suspicious of him, we got him on our side, we want to lynch this guy not shoot him, but let's not mention VE scumreading him yet, we bring that towards the EoD, we just make up why VE as a watcher could prove he is scum, or just use his interaction with VE to prove he is scum having removed VE"
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