On June 17 2015 07:25 NydusHerMain wrote: I don't like kelsier either. Stupid thing to go on rofl. I think that if I saw someone else post what I did I'd be like "great that doesn't really mean anything. Let's move on" haha
On June 17 2015 07:06 LightningStrike wrote: Hi guys I finally rolled town and I hope bugs had rolled town too since he played really good in the last game I played with him when I was scum vs his town :o
On June 17 2015 08:08 NydusHerMain wrote: I don't think LS is being that towny o.O. Am I crazy? I'm not saying he's not town but how do people have a "probs town" or "hard town" read on him already.
Because they know my meta? Check the database lpus Witchcraft III for my meta if you want any
seriously can you shut the fuck up already with this shit
you have just taken a shit in your hand and thrown whatever came out into the thread. I don't think your town and bringing up all this meta crap so early on is fucking irritating
On June 17 2015 08:09 ritoky wrote: current state of the thread:
more updates to come.
choppa 4 on the scene.
Ugh can you tell me what your reads are atm based on stuff happening?
stuff is happening?
Interactions of KSC and Bugs plus what people were posting about Onegu's entrance.
someone said some shit about punctuation and editing that was pointless and NAI, then some people started calling eachother bad and are acting like 8th grade girls. the fact that you couldn't infer that from a gif of a guy beating a dead horse and a gif of 2 cats fighting is troubling in regards to your inferential skillzzzzzzzzzzzzz
On June 17 2015 08:03 Breshke wrote: WBG is trying to hunt for who the good players are again and it doesn't necessarily make him mafia it just makes him big headed
have you played with any of these players much?
what do you think of LS's posts this game so far?
Some but I wouldn't say I can judge who is good and who is bad nor would I really want to. I assume thats why you are asking me this question.
I really liked his opening. I find it hard thinking that LS could make that first post as scum idk it just feels really genuine. Also the rest of his posts don't really seem forced which I think is one of the biggest giveaways for scum LS and is something that would be hard to change.
On June 17 2015 08:08 wherebugsgo wrote:
On June 17 2015 08:06 GlowingBear wrote:
On June 17 2015 08:03 Breshke wrote: WBG is trying to hunt for who the good players are again and it doesn't necessarily make him mafia it just makes him big headed
How did you reach this conclusion?
I'm not going to speak for him, but given that he played with me in the previous game while you were busy being scum, and he actually uses his head (unlike you) you should consider thinking a bit more like him and a little less like you
Also relax with this. GB coached me a bunch when I first started, I honestly don't understand why you are acting like him since he was scum last game so any reasoning you thought was bad from him doesn't mean shit because he was scum.
On June 17 2015 08:08 NydusHerMain wrote: I don't think LS is being that towny o.O. Am I crazy? I'm not saying he's not town but how do people have a "probs town" or "hard town" read on him already.
Because they know my meta? Check the database lpus Witchcraft III for my meta if you want any
seriously can you shut the fuck up already with this shit
you have just taken a shit in your hand and thrown whatever came out into the thread. I don't think your town and bringing up all this meta crap so early on is fucking irritating
Even if I'm right and your town keep the bm out of thread. Its not needed even if you are annoyed at this point.
I'll substantiate later, but I don't believe nhm or ls are capable of posting such as these as scum. Both are somewhat meta based reads.
Kel is just a maybe town.
I know I'm town obviously
I also think gb is a decent shot as town but don't tell him I said that
you can explain ls right now actually...what has he posted that makes him town? There's a lot of shit but nothing of real value.
On June 17 2015 08:08 NydusHerMain wrote: I don't think LS is being that towny o.O. Am I crazy? I'm not saying he's not town but how do people have a "probs town" or "hard town" read on him already.
Because they know my meta? Check the database lpus Witchcraft III for my meta if you want any
seriously can you shut the fuck up already with this shit
you have just taken a shit in your hand and thrown whatever came out into the thread. I don't think your town and bringing up all this meta crap so early on is fucking irritating
Even if I'm right and your town keep the bm out of thread. Its not needed even if you are annoyed at this point.
I'll substantiate later, but I don't believe nhm or ls are capable of posting such as these as scum. Both are somewhat meta based reads.
Kel is just a maybe town.
I know I'm town obviously
I also think gb is a decent shot as town but don't tell him I said that
you can explain ls right now actually...what has he posted that makes him town? There's a lot of shit but nothing of real value.
There are two types of people that play mafia
1. Players who are capable of changing meta and care 2. Players who only play for one alignment and either refuse or can't change meta
LS belongs in group 2, he's already done several of his town tells at this point. Digging up old,meta cases on him to show how people know him. He's sort of jokey, and he's willing to get into,confrontations to a degree.
On June 17 2015 08:08 NydusHerMain wrote: I don't think LS is being that towny o.O. Am I crazy? I'm not saying he's not town but how do people have a "probs town" or "hard town" read on him already.
Because they know my meta? Check the database lpus Witchcraft III for my meta if you want any
seriously can you shut the fuck up already with this shit
you have just taken a shit in your hand and thrown whatever came out into the thread. I don't think your town and bringing up all this meta crap so early on is fucking irritating
Even if I'm right and your town keep the bm out of thread. Its not needed even if you are annoyed at this point.
I'll substantiate later, but I don't believe nhm or ls are capable of posting such as these as scum. Both are somewhat meta based reads.
Kel is just a maybe town.
I know I'm town obviously
I also think gb is a decent shot as town but don't tell him I said that
you can explain ls right now actually...what has he posted that makes him town? There's a lot of shit but nothing of real value.
There are two types of people that play mafia
1. Players who are capable of changing meta and care 2. Players who only play for one alignment and either refuse or can't change meta
LS belongs in group 2, he's already done several of his town tells at this point. Digging up old,meta cases on him to show how people know him. He's sort of jokey, and he's willing to get into,confrontations to a degree.
As scum he's lazy, he is serious and skittish.
He's town to me at this juncture.
can i be option 3?
Option 3 players who I never real my meta read to because it's to accurate
Damn, I was hoping option 3 was worthless shit posters.
On June 17 2015 08:27 rsoultin wrote: -rolls around the thread-
hihihihi
ls town but not town cause i'm bad about wrongly reading him town yay! i feel safer when others do it too, though! \o/
lol so angry rit
wbg eh...bresh may be right on the ego thing gettin' that too big for the thread feel from your posts, dude...
badumdum what else caught my eye in a scan worth commenting on? oh
i like damdy
tone, yay! \o/
oneg...can wait. not sure why he was the focus for so long lol >< i've got a semi-decent metaread i may break out later on him but it requires some actual posting xP
what does that even mean
you know the part that came after the part you bolded? it explains it ^^ cool, yeah?
so do you actually think he is town or not?
From I reading from her post I think she thinks I town.
OI YOU, YOU DON'T JUST GET TO PROD ME FOR SHIT SAY NOTHING AND CHANGE TOPICS. CONCLUDE SOMETHING BISH!
On June 17 2015 08:27 rsoultin wrote: -rolls around the thread-
hihihihi
ls town but not town cause i'm bad about wrongly reading him town yay! i feel safer when others do it too, though! \o/
lol so angry rit
wbg eh...bresh may be right on the ego thing gettin' that too big for the thread feel from your posts, dude...
badumdum what else caught my eye in a scan worth commenting on? oh
i like damdy
tone, yay! \o/
oneg...can wait. not sure why he was the focus for so long lol >< i've got a semi-decent metaread i may break out later on him but it requires some actual posting xP
what does that even mean
you know the part that came after the part you bolded? it explains it ^^ cool, yeah?
so do you actually think he is town or not?
From I reading from her post I think she thinks I town.
OI YOU, YOU DON'T JUST GET TO PROD ME FOR SHIT SAY NOTHING AND CHANGE TOPICS. CONCLUDE SOMETHING BISH!
Let's see you thought everyone is null but it still a little early I know but I will forgive you on not having any reads other than null
you didn't conclude anything and used tons of words. mite b scummir
On June 17 2015 08:44 ritoky wrote: rsoul: i am bad at reading LS KSC: here's an LS read rsoul: lemme give you advice on that read.
choppa 4: derp
heeeeeyyyy [insert replacement for shithead here since we're supposed to be nice this game]
whether or not i am good at reading LS has no bearing on how good HIS read on ls is
anything useful to contribute or are you going to continue to be a...poopyface? is that nice enough? xP
i don't remember how strict HtS is on insults, but you can talk dirty to me bb. that felt wrong typing it with a pregnant wife within 20 feet.
LS used a lot of words to say nothing about me, then I became town for saying he might be scum. That's.....well, that's something. could be scum.
KSC is probably town because last time i was scum with him he wasn't aggro, angry, and picking fights. he was all calm and analytical and shit, but meta is meh.
also i hope i discovered damdred's read. pretty much all there is to say.
i have an arbitrary feeling that VA is town because I liked his picture which is pretty much worthless.
On June 17 2015 08:57 Fidei86 wrote: Everyone I played with in HG seems to be carrying on as they left off, except Onegu isn't shit-posting as much, though that's probably because the end of the last game was pretty hype and probably got him jacked to play again. Others will know GB better than I do, but in the HG ins thread he was poking everyone to make reads super early, so that probably means it's his natural play style. He gets a slight town read.
On June 17 2015 08:57 Fidei86 wrote: Everyone I played with in HG seems to be carrying on as they left off, except Onegu isn't shit-posting as much, though that's probably because the end of the last game was pretty hype and probably got him jacked to play again. Others will know GB better than I do, but in the HG ins thread he was poking everyone to make reads super early, so that probably means it's his natural play style. He gets a slight town read.
<3
hiiiiii new blood! i've just got this feeling we're going to make an amazing team this game ^^
so you know all those HG people...can you actually tell me who you're talking about since i didn't play with them? xP
On June 17 2015 08:27 rsoultin wrote: -rolls around the thread-
hihihihi
ls town but not town cause i'm bad about wrongly reading him town yay! i feel safer when others do it too, though! \o/
lol so angry rit
wbg eh...bresh may be right on the ego thing gettin' that too big for the thread feel from your posts, dude...
badumdum what else caught my eye in a scan worth commenting on? oh
i like damdy
tone, yay! \o/
oneg...can wait. not sure why he was the focus for so long lol >< i've got a semi-decent metaread i may break out later on him but it requires some actual posting xP
what does that even mean
you know the part that came after the part you bolded? it explains it ^^ cool, yeah?
so do you actually think he is town or not?
From I reading from her post I think she thinks I town.
OI YOU, YOU DON'T JUST GET TO PROD ME FOR SHIT SAY NOTHING AND CHANGE TOPICS. CONCLUDE SOMETHING BISH!
On June 17 2015 09:33 Fidei86 wrote: @shock in the last game a lot of people (including me) called Damdred out for not making too many reads or being too 'wishy-washy'. He was town. I'd say his play so far is pretty much the same as last time, albeit that as I said he seems a tad more polished. That could def be more of a reaction to getting so much flak last time.
This post made me laugh
You guys still don't understand what wishy washy or middle,of,the road is hehe
i have a strange request for you. i don't want you to tell me what your read on me is, i just want to tell me if you have one or not.
sincerely, choppa 4
oooooooh strange requests!
(nah. thoughts and glimmers but nothing worth posting about ^^)
have you decided if i'm the big bad wolf who pocketed you last game again this game or not yet?
you're probably town, cuz you have called your read on me shit in past games and past post games so the fact that you're not quick to arrive anywhere prob means you're hesitant town.
i have a strange request for you. i don't want you to tell me what your read on me is, i just want to tell me if you have one or not.
sincerely, choppa 4
oooooooh strange requests!
(nah. thoughts and glimmers but nothing worth posting about ^^)
have you decided if i'm the big bad wolf who pocketed you last game again this game or not yet?
you're probably town, cuz you have called your read on me shit in past games and past post games so the fact that you're not quick to arrive anywhere prob means you're hesitant town.
-wrinkles nose at-
except i used this last game we played, too
that doesn't make me town ^^ filter length doesn't make me town being generally awesome (sorry sandy ) doesn't make me town
what concerns me right now is that i can say "i'd say rit was town if he hadn't fooled me badly before" in a scum game over and over yet you still use it to read me as town here
for shame, rit
when you're scum you're like oprah with your reads.
i think your hesitancy to hand me a gumball is more town indicative. deall wif it.
On June 17 2015 10:59 Holyflare wrote: i'm not masons with ksc
hf you are making me really want to push you day 1, despite knowing how unlikely that lynch would be
well I know one alignment that wants to lynch confirmed town ^^
if you're gonna call me scum you better start early and directly, hf
or you could give a rat's ass and play the game
either or
i don't see why you're so pissed at me for no reason? either i start playing or i don't
i'm still waiting for the semblance of a contribution from you this game ^^
for someone who keeps being standoffish when people push her for responses, you sure are quick to notice a kettle.
read hf's filter. read mine.
then say we're the same
i was talking with HF in some obs QT and he was going on about how he was tired of dying N1 all the time as town, and how he wanted to live past N1 for a change. since then he has been trying some self control stuff in the games i have been in with him and trying to lower his d1 activity as town to try and survive later into the game.
the thing with HF is....he is HF. guy can't help himself, he will start spamming and giving endless reads at some point. maybe it is d2, maybe it is n1, maybe it will be when someone says the dumbest thing he has ever read. he will do it at some point, read him then. if he doesn't after a good while, then shoot or lynch him. pretty simple.
don't understand why you're butthurt about denial of information when you intentionally denied GB information for hours.
On June 17 2015 10:59 Holyflare wrote: i'm not masons with ksc
hf you are making me really want to push you day 1, despite knowing how unlikely that lynch would be
well I know one alignment that wants to lynch confirmed town ^^
if you're gonna call me scum you better start early and directly, hf
or you could give a rat's ass and play the game
either or
i don't see why you're so pissed at me for no reason? either i start playing or i don't
i'm still waiting for the semblance of a contribution from you this game ^^
for someone who keeps being standoffish when people push her for responses, you sure are quick to notice a kettle.
read hf's filter. read mine.
then say we're the same
i was talking with HF in some obs QT and he was going on about how he was tired of dying N1 all the time as town, and how he wanted to live past N1 for a change. since then he has been trying some self control stuff in the games i have been in with him and trying to lower his d1 activity as town to try and survive later into the game.
the thing with HF is....he is HF. guy can't help himself, he will start spamming and giving endless reads at some point. maybe it is d2, maybe it is n1, maybe it will be when someone says the dumbest thing he has ever read. he will do it at some point, read him then. if he doesn't after a good while, then shoot or lynch him. pretty simple.
don't understand why you're butthurt about denial of information when you intentionally denied GB information for hours.
and why do you care if i put pressure on him in the meantime so you goobers don't forget about him later, hm?
again, if you can legitimately say we're playing the game the same, then you have a right to speak
because it is a worthless line to pursue and it is hardly pressure.
well I know one alignment that wants to lynch confirmed town ^^
if you're gonna call me scum you better start early and directly, hf
or you could give a rat's ass and play the game
either or
i don't see why you're so pissed at me for no reason? either i start playing or i don't
i'm still waiting for the semblance of a contribution from you this game ^^
for someone who keeps being standoffish when people push her for responses, you sure are quick to notice a kettle.
read hf's filter. read mine.
then say we're the same
i was talking with HF in some obs QT and he was going on about how he was tired of dying N1 all the time as town, and how he wanted to live past N1 for a change. since then he has been trying some self control stuff in the games i have been in with him and trying to lower his d1 activity as town to try and survive later into the game.
the thing with HF is....he is HF. guy can't help himself, he will start spamming and giving endless reads at some point. maybe it is d2, maybe it is n1, maybe it will be when someone says the dumbest thing he has ever read. he will do it at some point, read him then. if he doesn't after a good while, then shoot or lynch him. pretty simple.
don't understand why you're butthurt about denial of information when you intentionally denied GB information for hours.
and why do you care if i put pressure on him in the meantime so you goobers don't forget about him later, hm?
again, if you can legitimately say we're playing the game the same, then you have a right to speak
because it is a worthless line to pursue and it is hardly pressure.
as was your post unless you actually think i'm scum for it
so why exactly are you trolling around looking for a fight?
i don't see why you're so pissed at me for no reason? either i start playing or i don't
i'm still waiting for the semblance of a contribution from you this game ^^
for someone who keeps being standoffish when people push her for responses, you sure are quick to notice a kettle.
read hf's filter. read mine.
then say we're the same
i was talking with HF in some obs QT and he was going on about how he was tired of dying N1 all the time as town, and how he wanted to live past N1 for a change. since then he has been trying some self control stuff in the games i have been in with him and trying to lower his d1 activity as town to try and survive later into the game.
the thing with HF is....he is HF. guy can't help himself, he will start spamming and giving endless reads at some point. maybe it is d2, maybe it is n1, maybe it will be when someone says the dumbest thing he has ever read. he will do it at some point, read him then. if he doesn't after a good while, then shoot or lynch him. pretty simple.
don't understand why you're butthurt about denial of information when you intentionally denied GB information for hours.
and why do you care if i put pressure on him in the meantime so you goobers don't forget about him later, hm?
again, if you can legitimately say we're playing the game the same, then you have a right to speak
because it is a worthless line to pursue and it is hardly pressure.
as was your post unless you actually think i'm scum for it
so why exactly are you trolling around looking for a fight?
???
you're usually happy. your posts are angrier. TONE READ (ZING)
goddamn feels like someone pissed in half the thread's cheerios this morning. so much useless shitfighting; pretty sure my eyes have glazed over at half of bugs' posts cuz it is just him picking a fight over the most minute stuff.
then again hf kinda agrees with him, so maybe i should actually go read it.
On June 17 2015 12:54 Holyflare wrote: ok rsoultin thing is basically
tone weird pushing on needless shit that i do all the time (literally the last 3 games i've played town in) arguing semantics fighting bugs on pointless things too
thank you for the bite sized version, you saved me brain cells.
On June 17 2015 12:53 rsoultin wrote: the reasons i don't like hf are in the thread. he says it's a shit metaread, and on the surface perhaps it is. however it is undeniable that a scum hf tends to have very shallow reasons for scumreading people and be less forceful/proactive. there may or may not be another reason i distrust him right now
i was reading and retaining the information in your post, then i got to this. i forgot everything and said what the fuck out loud.
seriously? what is with this denial of information shit going on in this thread? you all like wooooo lookie me, i got a secret. if you have a scum read then say it.
On June 17 2015 12:48 ritoky wrote: goddamn feels like someone pissed in half the thread's cheerios this morning. so much useless shitfighting; pretty sure my eyes have glazed over at half of bugs' posts cuz it is just him picking a fight over the most minute stuff.
then again hf kinda agrees with him, so maybe i should actually go read it.
reading is good, my troll
dunno why you keep calling me a troll and ignoring my posting, beliebe it or not i actually have le content in le posts
On June 17 2015 12:48 ritoky wrote: goddamn feels like someone pissed in half the thread's cheerios this morning. so much useless shitfighting; pretty sure my eyes have glazed over at half of bugs' posts cuz it is just him picking a fight over the most minute stuff.
then again hf kinda agrees with him, so maybe i should actually go read it.
reading is good, my troll
dunno why you keep calling me a troll and ignoring my posting, beliebe it or not i actually have le content in le posts
choppa 4 reporting.
I'm not ignoring you! I just think your posts are funny
i do what i can to please my fans.
to all the alakaslams of the world out there. this one goes out to you
On June 17 2015 12:58 GlowingBear wrote: By the way, trust the tone read rsoultin gives on damdred and me
I've been discussing games with her for a long while and he does that every time. And she does it correctly.
Like, I told her I was freezingfoot last game and she said: you're scum right? you don't feel like town gb
I trust her tone reads as genuine
What is rubbing me the wrong way is the shitfight she entered and the refusal to get off of it.
I agree the shitfight is not helping town but I don't think it is alignment indicative. Even before they interacted i knew her and bugs would not get along no matter their alignment unless they were mafia together. That is like the only thing I got out of that shitfight the fact that they i think they can not be mafia together.
But yeah I don't think you should judge them on the shitfight because it is jsut their personalities and yeah its boring as fuck but it is because they are both stubborn. They both seem likely town to me now another reason the shitfight is boring as hell.
GB why are you sheeping HF? Wheres the townread come from you might have said but i missed it.
What about each of their play outside of the shitfight gave you these town reads then?
On June 17 2015 13:37 NydusHerMain wrote: On that note Ritoky, just a random thought but if RS flips scum, I think that Damdred is spewed town. Just the way she said that she had a town read on Damdred as well as having a town read on LS reinforced by Damdred's townread on LS. It feels like she's pinging her mafia partner too hard if they're scum together. <-- probably horrible logic
On June 17 2015 13:43 NydusHerMain wrote: Why am I reading everyone who I played last game with as at least leaning scummy? LOL. Did you all trade accounts with your mothers?
Why are you reading me and damdred as leaning scummy?
On June 17 2015 12:58 GlowingBear wrote: By the way, trust the tone read rsoultin gives on damdred and me
I've been discussing games with her for a long while and he does that every time. And she does it correctly.
Like, I told her I was freezingfoot last game and she said: you're scum right? you don't feel like town gb
I trust her tone reads as genuine
What is rubbing me the wrong way is the shitfight she entered and the refusal to get off of it.
I agree the shitfight is not helping town but I don't think it is alignment indicative. Even before they interacted i knew her and bugs would not get along no matter their alignment unless they were mafia together. That is like the only thing I got out of that shitfight the fact that they i think they can not be mafia together.
But yeah I don't think you should judge them on the shitfight because it is jsut their personalities and yeah its boring as fuck but it is because they are both stubborn. They both seem likely town to me now another reason the shitfight is boring as hell.
GB why are you sheeping HF? Wheres the townread come from you might have said but i missed it.
What about each of their play outside of the shitfight gave you these town reads then?
Bugs is very similar to last game and is acting exactly how i expect him too as town for example almost started going after nydus because he thought he was a smurf, continued to hunt for good players to try and get their opinions. I also liked the effort he out in when i asked him to dive damdred.
Rsoul i wont count the most recent thing i said because that was after i posted that. I don't actually remember the reason I think it was a gut thing or because she was being difficult.
On June 17 2015 12:58 GlowingBear wrote: By the way, trust the tone read rsoultin gives on damdred and me
I've been discussing games with her for a long while and he does that every time. And she does it correctly.
Like, I told her I was freezingfoot last game and she said: you're scum right? you don't feel like town gb
I trust her tone reads as genuine
What is rubbing me the wrong way is the shitfight she entered and the refusal to get off of it.
I agree the shitfight is not helping town but I don't think it is alignment indicative. Even before they interacted i knew her and bugs would not get along no matter their alignment unless they were mafia together. That is like the only thing I got out of that shitfight the fact that they i think they can not be mafia together.
But yeah I don't think you should judge them on the shitfight because it is jsut their personalities and yeah its boring as fuck but it is because they are both stubborn. They both seem likely town to me now another reason the shitfight is boring as hell.
GB why are you sheeping HF? Wheres the townread come from you might have said but i missed it.
What about each of their play outside of the shitfight gave you these town reads then?
Bugs is very similar to last game and is acting exactly how i expect him too as town for example almost started going after nydus because he thought he was a smurf, continued to hunt for good players to try and get their opinions. I also liked the effort he out in when i asked him to dive damdred.
Rsoul i wont count the most recent thing i said because that was after i posted that. I don't actually remember the reason I think it was a gut thing or because she was being difficult.
have you ever played with bugs when he was mafia?
No. I understand the failures of the read but I don't care
So you're saying you have town reads on them outside of their fighting and the reasons are: -incomplete meta read -i don't remember
On June 17 2015 12:58 GlowingBear wrote: By the way, trust the tone read rsoultin gives on damdred and me
I've been discussing games with her for a long while and he does that every time. And she does it correctly.
Like, I told her I was freezingfoot last game and she said: you're scum right? you don't feel like town gb
I trust her tone reads as genuine
What is rubbing me the wrong way is the shitfight she entered and the refusal to get off of it.
I agree the shitfight is not helping town but I don't think it is alignment indicative. Even before they interacted i knew her and bugs would not get along no matter their alignment unless they were mafia together. That is like the only thing I got out of that shitfight the fact that they i think they can not be mafia together.
But yeah I don't think you should judge them on the shitfight because it is jsut their personalities and yeah its boring as fuck but it is because they are both stubborn. They both seem likely town to me now another reason the shitfight is boring as hell.
GB why are you sheeping HF? Wheres the townread come from you might have said but i missed it.
What about each of their play outside of the shitfight gave you these town reads then?
Bugs is very similar to last game and is acting exactly how i expect him too as town for example almost started going after nydus because he thought he was a smurf, continued to hunt for good players to try and get their opinions. I also liked the effort he out in when i asked him to dive damdred.
Rsoul i wont count the most recent thing i said because that was after i posted that. I don't actually remember the reason I think it was a gut thing or because she was being difficult.
have you ever played with bugs when he was mafia?
No. I understand the failures of the read but I don't care
So you're saying you have town reads on them outside of their fighting and the reasons are: -incomplete meta read -i don't remember
On June 17 2015 13:56 VayneAuthority wrote: i have a lot of okay-ish town reads so far, no one is really in the house of brown yet though. maybe like two people
i understand, the admission into the church of brown is not something to be taken lightly.
On June 17 2015 14:03 ritoky wrote: why did no1 ask me why i listed damdred & GB as not in a team together? I really wanted to answer that question
Hey Ritoky! Why did you list Damdred and GB as not in a team together? I'm super duper curious o.O
WOW THANKS FOR YOUR UNPROMPTED ENTHUSIASTIC QUESTION!
Because when me, damdred, and gb were all a mafia team together a couple games back we basically got to the QT and all agreed to bus the living shit out of eachother. We had so much success and fun doing it (like seriously the most fun I think any of us have ever had on a team) that I imagine if they ended up in a QT together again, the very first things typed would be: "Yo, let's do it again! BUS TIME!" They're not doing it, so they aren't together.
On June 17 2015 14:03 ritoky wrote: why did no1 ask me why i listed damdred & GB as not in a team together? I really wanted to answer that question
Hey Ritoky! Why did you list Damdred and GB as not in a team together? I'm super duper curious o.O
WOW THANKS FOR YOUR UNPROMPTED ENTHUSIASTIC QUESTION!
Because when me, damdred, and gb were all a mafia team together a couple games back we basically got to the QT and all agreed to bus the living shit out of eachother. We had so much success and fun doing it (like seriously the most fun I think any of us have ever had on a team) that I imagine if they ended up in a QT together again, the very first things typed would be: "Yo, let's do it again! BUS TIME!" They're not doing it, so they aren't together.
lol that's what i figured
not sure they'd really think they could pull it off two games in a row though
On June 18 2015 01:39 LightningStrike wrote: Honestly is BM doesn't post or vote he is most likely getting mod killed so he isn't worth being voted on honestly and I kinda dislike the rsoultin wagon she not the scum queen this game but rather town and I starting to think maybe Shockeyy has a chance of flipping scum although a lowish chance hence why I asking peoples opinions on him before I go all in on him but I prob go all in on him later nothing really change myself his list post seemed to much worse what he presented in his last game as town and it seems like maybe his tone had changed from game to game I feel?
##unvote ##vote LightningStrike
I not scum I sorry you can't read me town but maybe check my past games? <3
lol no
Everything i wrote about you still stands, you keep trying to call everyone town, when I caught you for not reading shockeyy you come up with a "hmm maybe he doesn't look as good" backtrack.
now you get pressed for a scum read and then you come up with this maybe Shockeyy has a chance of flipping scum although a lowish chance hence why I asking peoples opinions on him before I go all in on him where you basically hedge your bets on him like you know he is actually town or something. You say it is a lowish chance...why? also if it is a lowish chance why would you "go all in" on him as you call it. You are trying to be everyones buddy and call everyone town and the one time i push you to actually give a scum read you come out with waffly shit that your scum read is likely to be town anyway.
I see him as a newer player which is also why I hesitant on actually commiting unless other people think's scum too because(Meta) in his last game(Witchcraft III) he gave much more structure and reasons for his reads than he did this game so far I wondering if it's alignment indicative or not.
The first thing someone said about shockey is that he's not new he has 5 previous games in the database. You also give plenty of reasons to call him mafia so why are you waiting for other people before you do a push on him?? Are you saying your meta is wrong because if it's correct your read should be much stronger.
I don't have the best track record when it comes to reading newbies correctly (See Newbie LX).
ok but he isn't a newbie
Not exactly a experience player either :O Anyways this some people do think shockeyy might be scum I think maybe he is going to flip therefore I will vote him now until people tell me a better target. ##Vote: Shockeyy
upon catching up, you ask like 6 people the fairly useless question of "thoughts on shockkey?" and i managed self control to no just be all like dis b pointless yo. i waited to see where you were going with it....and all of that only to arrive at this? this isn't even an informed or committal read, so you basically got nothing from all those questions....which were poor. idkmybffjill. generalized questioning into no real follow up into trash conclusion is just real meh right now. probably the most meh of all meh.
The tone of your posts flips from townreading to scumreading pretty much every other post. You're not pressuring a soul but the afk.
bugs we're not lynching me. Find a better target
Thoughts on Shockeyy so far?
Later. If you're impatient read my filter
You think scum from what I read in your filter O_o
Didn't like his list post, agree with damdy that town generally does the fuck off type posting though, so scumlean but not the most interesting person in the thread to me presently
Well I posted a quote that was listish post which was his first reads of the game what you think of it compared his list post this game?
Dude i'm on my phone. You know i'm going to want to follow up in the thrwas that was posted in. This has to wait until I get home tonight
I can wait for you I guess just sheep me when you come back?
WHY ARE YOU ASKING HER TO SHEEP YOU WHEN YOU WANTED HER OPINION ON SHOCKEYY BEFORE YOU VOTED FOR HIM
On June 18 2015 03:01 NydusHerMain wrote: What I'm saying is I have 6/17 town reads and I'm comfortable hunting scum but I don't think people who have 13 towns as their 4 scum, etc. are just lurkers is going to win us the game.
I don't see how GB falls into this category. His last list post had something like 7 or 8 people listed as town. How is that vastly different from 6?
Damdred also only listed like 5 people he was confident were town and I think one of those was himself
Is that all you came here for? LOL. Do you have anything on the lightning vs holyflare/kelsey interactions.
On June 18 2015 03:54 KelsierSC wrote: I'm going to leave this for now but I think i've made it quite clear that LS is scum and you should be voting for him if you're town.
I not I blue :O
bleh as shit of a play as this is it is likely true. you did this shit before with like 1 or 2 votes on you day 1...
On June 18 2015 03:54 KelsierSC wrote: I'm going to leave this for now but I think i've made it quite clear that LS is scum and you should be voting for him if you're town.
I not I blue :O
you're not actually a blue because no blue would be that stupid.
he's claimed blue as blue almost every time someone randomly pressures him
I don't believe him at all, no reason to claim there if he was a blue at all.
no one is that fucking stupid
pretty sure he claimed jk or roleblocker on day 1 of a game with 2 votes on him after like 20 hours of gameplay. not outside of the realm of things he is capable of if that's your reason.
On June 18 2015 04:08 Onegu wrote: Here is the best meta read on the site. When HF and Rsoul are both town they get along. When one of them is scum they shit fight with each other.
also is it sad that i want to give bugs a day 1 town pass for effort?
he kinda has that angry tunnel thing going on that i used to do as mafia, and his cases are mind numbing and i hardly find them as scum indicative in the slightest, but he cares...maybe...
On June 18 2015 04:38 GlowingBear wrote: Ok I'm voting LS too
wtf why are you jumping so hard on this opportunity to lynch an obvious townie
are you scum again?
Explain to me why he is obvious townie Explain to me why obvious townie would claim named VT when, well, he is obvious townie?
he wasn't necessarily obvious townie prior to the claim but any and all doubts should have been erased to people who understand the slightest thing when it comes to town/mafia motivation when he ended up claiming.
He had 1 vote and was in no serious threat of being lynched and yet he blue claimed on day 1. What kind of scum move would that be? It literally makes 0 sense from a scum perspective, especially when we all know how bad LS's scum play is.
You say too dumb to be scum.
They say too anti-town to be town.
Onegu says stop doing this, going to lynch you every time.
On June 18 2015 04:38 GlowingBear wrote: Ok I'm voting LS too
wtf why are you jumping so hard on this opportunity to lynch an obvious townie
are you scum again?
Explain to me why he is obvious townie Explain to me why obvious townie would claim named VT when, well, he is obvious townie?
he wasn't necessarily obvious townie prior to the claim but any and all doubts should have been erased to people who understand the slightest thing when it comes to town/mafia motivation when he ended up claiming.
He had 1 vote and was in no serious threat of being lynched and yet he blue claimed on day 1. What kind of scum move would that be? It literally makes 0 sense from a scum perspective, especially when we all know how bad LS's scum play is.
You say too dumb to be scum.
They say too anti-town to be town.
Onegu says stop doing this, going to lynch you every time.
people say "too anti-town to be town" when they really mean "I think that play was stupid and you deserve to die for it"
That kind of mentality literally ignores all possible motivational reads because it doesn't involve motivation at all and is simply a surface-level misinterpretation of what is going on. Try to think through it from the perspective of LS being scum and it makes no sense at all for him to do that
This is coming from a brain of someone who claimed jk or rb on day 1 with 2 votes on him; so the fact that you seem to think you have some level of comprehension of his thought process astounds me. Also, you're way too dismissive of other people's arguments; I can see why people fight with you.
But let me place you in a stupid scenario where he can be mafia: LS's brain: "Oh hey, you know what would be trixxy? I claim blue day 1 a bunch so it is kinda in my meta now. Oh hey look there is named VT in this game, man maybe I should wifom bomb and ride my meta by fake claiming a blue day 1; they'll totally write it off as me being dumb again"
Wow look, I imagined a scenario where he could be mafia! Do I think it is likely the case? No he is probably town. Do I want to lynch him for his play? Yeah, kinda.
On June 18 2015 04:38 GlowingBear wrote: Ok I'm voting LS too
wtf why are you jumping so hard on this opportunity to lynch an obvious townie
are you scum again?
Explain to me why he is obvious townie Explain to me why obvious townie would claim named VT when, well, he is obvious townie?
he wasn't necessarily obvious townie prior to the claim but any and all doubts should have been erased to people who understand the slightest thing when it comes to town/mafia motivation when he ended up claiming.
He had 1 vote and was in no serious threat of being lynched and yet he blue claimed on day 1. What kind of scum move would that be? It literally makes 0 sense from a scum perspective, especially when we all know how bad LS's scum play is.
You say too dumb to be scum.
They say too anti-town to be town.
Onegu says stop doing this, going to lynch you every time.
people say "too anti-town to be town" when they really mean "I think that play was stupid and you deserve to die for it"
That kind of mentality literally ignores all possible motivational reads because it doesn't involve motivation at all and is simply a surface-level misinterpretation of what is going on. Try to think through it from the perspective of LS being scum and it makes no sense at all for him to do that
This is coming from a brain of someone who claimed jk or rb on day 1 with 2 votes on him; so the fact that you seem to think you have some level of comprehension of his thought process astounds me. Also, you're way too dismissive of other people's arguments; I can see why people fight with you.
But let me place you in a stupid scenario where he can be mafia: LS's brain: "Oh hey, you know what would be trixxy? I claim blue day 1 a bunch so it is kinda in my meta now. Oh hey look there is named VT in this game, man maybe I should wifom bomb and ride my meta by fake claiming a blue day 1; they'll totally write it off as me being dumb again"
Wow look, I imagined a scenario where he could be mafia! Do I think it is likely the case? No he is probably town. Do I want to lynch him for his play? Yeah, kinda.
don't tell me what I do and do not know. The simple fact is that if I actually believed LS were scum right now I'd be tunneling the shit out of him, and he'd most probably flip red. I read enough of his games and I saw his play in the previous game and it is enough for me to be confident on this read. If he's done it before then that's literally another point in his favour. As scum to understand that such a play would attract attention and then do it anyway is so ballsy that I don't think even the best scum would even consider it.
The latter half of your post is just fitting a whimsical scenario to this read that LS is scum. You don't come to a conclusion first and then attempt to explain it later, that's not how scumhunting works. That's basically the definition of confirmation bias.
yeah you didn't comprehend. you already made up your mind, no point in talking with you about this further.
On June 18 2015 05:35 LightningStrike wrote: FYI I Never had claimed blue as scum before simple as that for the counter point to GB said I had claimed blue as scum before -_-
On June 18 2015 05:35 LightningStrike wrote: FYI I Never had claimed blue as scum before simple as that for the counter point to GB said I had claimed blue as scum before -_-
On June 17 2015 07:11 LightningStrike wrote:
On June 17 2015 07:09 Onegu wrote: My fucking VT claim. I really think HtS RNG machine is broken... Have rolled VT in everyone of her games...
Sorry that VT claim wont fly you already cashed in on that in XXX so nice try you must prove to us that you are town other than a VT claim :o
derp
What those two posts you quoted for when you said derp?
LS: "i never claim blue as scum" Onegu: "i only claim VT as town"
On June 18 2015 05:35 LightningStrike wrote: FYI I Never had claimed blue as scum before simple as that for the counter point to GB said I had claimed blue as scum before -_-
On June 17 2015 07:11 LightningStrike wrote:
On June 17 2015 07:09 Onegu wrote: My fucking VT claim. I really think HtS RNG machine is broken... Have rolled VT in everyone of her games...
Sorry that VT claim wont fly you already cashed in on that in XXX so nice try you must prove to us that you are town other than a VT claim :o
derp
What those two posts you quoted for when you said derp?
LS: "i never claim blue as scum" Onegu: "i only claim VT as town"
see it now?
choppa 4 reveals.
Onegu had claimed VT as scum too? I never had claimed blue as scum and I know I not scum this game but rather a named VT.
Jesus.
You're literally making the same argument to defend yourself that you discredited early in the game. For many games Onegu only claimed VT as town, then guess what? He broke the trend. Wow! Hey look your defense sux cuz logic. Also dunno why you're even defending yourself if you're actually blue.
On June 18 2015 06:25 Mig wrote: Regarding LS, why are people instantly believing his claim? What exactly has LS done to show he is town other than the claim?
Starts off with the instant attacking onegu for claiming vt, struck me as trying to make a big deal out of completely nothing. People claim VT all the time.
Follows it up with buddying up to bugs just non stop, completely plausible thing for a fishy mafia to try and buddy up to the guy who caught him last game.
When asked for his scum reads he is incredibly wishy washy + Show Spoiler +
On June 18 2015 02:13 LightningStrike wrote:
It's only a weak scumread right now and would like to talk to him more when he gets backs so I can confirm my read plus have others give me their thoughts and see if align with my own thoughts. Also I did have a somewhat recent game as town when I didn't have a scumread for the first 48 hours so therefore you logic isn't exactly a scum tell The game that I didn't have a scumread for the first 48 hours was Games of Thrones Mini recently if you want to check it out.
And ends up saying he decided to vote for shockey because other people were on him (easy way to deflect blame if shockey flips town).
Even his motto for handling rsoul is a straight copy from GB + Show Spoiler +
On June 18 2015 02:43 LightningStrike wrote: Also the best rule on rsoultin is that if she gets to LYLO you just lynch her because she is more likely scum when she hits LYLO from her recent games.
LS do you actually have any original thoughts? Who besides shockey do you think is likely to be scum?
I don't got anything original sorry Maybe Boxer his posts seemed pretty weird esp because it looked like he didn't really read the thread when he posted which more likely to come from scum. Also HF because here another rule about rsoultin: If one of HF or rsoultin is scum they don't get along which has been proven to be correct for the most part I townreading rsultin therefore he would be the scum by the rule. Also the LYLO rule about her is actually accurate she for the most part now being night killed at night 1 and night 2 as town so when she reaches LYLO she is scum. I willing to take the blame of town!shockeyy lynch if he flips town but I believe he will flip red.
What happened to this
On June 18 2015 01:31 LightningStrike wrote: Honestly Boxerfred is new HF give it some time bro like Bugs said he only started playing Mafia recently :O
Honestly I decided to reread Boxer's filter after Mig commented about Boxer's stuff about timing and failing to deliver but I think if Boxer is town he will clear it up soonish but if he scum he prob wont do anything.
you decided to re-read after mig commented on it...yeh I guess he is the only one who brought it up?? you said boxer is newish so why is he scum not new now?
when hf pinged him out you defended bf because he was a new player but what has changed, the posts are still the same.
I didn't really read his filter when I defended him honestly. I only really read his filter when Mig brought up Boxer's stuff regarding timing and failing to do promised stuff.
are you just trying to do as much anti-town shit as possible?
On June 18 2015 07:05 Damdred wrote: So can we stop picking on LS before drastic things happen?!?
But seriously LS I got you bud, don't worry partner.
hey buddy, get in here:
It's a pocket but it's also an ass.
What are you trying to imply?
Now, ritoky, who should we lynch?
could be a breast pocket too, shouldn't assume things son.
i don't have a particularly clear mafia today if i am being honest. i am probably going to be more prone to sheep one of my town reads unless i find something solid i like.
i think the most anti-town players are LS and bugs; but they could both be town cuz of stupid claiming and effort respectively.
On June 18 2015 07:02 LightningStrike wrote: Why vote the guy who just replaced in? Like seriously that is the stupidist thing you would do other than voting a blue in me as a named VT..........
ls tell me what i've done this game since i'm the only one of two of your scum reads
4th time i've had to quote the same question now
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On June 18 2015 07:14 KelsierSC wrote:
On June 18 2015 07:12 LightningStrike wrote:
On June 18 2015 07:10 KelsierSC wrote:
On June 18 2015 07:09 LightningStrike wrote:
On June 18 2015 07:08 Holyflare wrote:
On June 18 2015 07:03 Holyflare wrote:
On June 18 2015 07:02 LightningStrike wrote: Why vote the guy who just replaced in? Like seriously that is the stupidist thing you would do other than voting a blue in me as a named VT..........
ls tell me what i've done this game since i'm the only one of two of your scum reads
I following the rsoultin rule here where if you and her don't get along one of you is mafia I got rsoultin as town therefore you scum by that rule
yeh and as hf points out that is total stupid and arbitrary
You not seen the rule in effect before :o Check every game they been together and read their filters they regarding each other :o
i'm not going to do that
your scum reads are totally arbitrary , you throw this hf scum read totally out of nowhere..ALONGSIDE A BF SCUM READ.
WHICH YOU ONLY GOT AFTER READING MIG....
EVEN THOUGH HF IS THE ONE WHO BROUGHT IT UP FIRST
YOU KNOW...THE OTHER GUY YOU SCUM READ>
but you probably didn't read that part either...like when you defended bf without reading him either.
holy shit why aren't there 13/14 votes on LS right now jesus christ.
Nothing except for going after Boxer that's all I remember from you and you been sidelining this game more than you normally do.
if by sideline you mean 2nd or 3rd largest filter in the game....A+...
On June 18 2015 07:02 LightningStrike wrote: Why vote the guy who just replaced in? Like seriously that is the stupidist thing you would do other than voting a blue in me as a named VT..........
ls tell me what i've done this game since i'm the only one of two of your scum reads
4th time i've had to quote the same question now
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On June 18 2015 07:14 KelsierSC wrote:
On June 18 2015 07:12 LightningStrike wrote:
On June 18 2015 07:10 KelsierSC wrote:
On June 18 2015 07:09 LightningStrike wrote:
On June 18 2015 07:08 Holyflare wrote:
On June 18 2015 07:03 Holyflare wrote: [quote]
ls tell me what i've done this game since i'm the only one of two of your scum reads
I following the rsoultin rule here where if you and her don't get along one of you is mafia I got rsoultin as town therefore you scum by that rule
yeh and as hf points out that is total stupid and arbitrary
You not seen the rule in effect before :o Check every game they been together and read their filters they regarding each other :o
i'm not going to do that
your scum reads are totally arbitrary , you throw this hf scum read totally out of nowhere..ALONGSIDE A BF SCUM READ.
WHICH YOU ONLY GOT AFTER READING MIG....
EVEN THOUGH HF IS THE ONE WHO BROUGHT IT UP FIRST
YOU KNOW...THE OTHER GUY YOU SCUM READ>
but you probably didn't read that part either...like when you defended bf without reading him either.
holy shit why aren't there 13/14 votes on LS right now jesus christ.
Nothing except for going after Boxer that's all I remember from you and you been sidelining this game more than you normally do.
if by sideline you mean 2nd or 3rd largest filter in the game....A+...
He barely contributed stuff as far I remember outside of Boxer and me.
On June 18 2015 07:21 Damdred wrote: Now I don't think that's a fair thing to say about HF there LS. Hes been pretty confrontational this guy and in the middle of the field from what I've been reading.
However LS is still town, and i'd rather stop talking about that and get back to talking about Fied or even box.
i've been talking about boxer the entire game and everyone repeatedly ignores him for absolutely no reason so either hop on my wagon or not because this train is going to lynchville
i'm still just going to interrogate people i don't think make sense since every time i rely or falter in a read it's because i trusted someone else's read
he has a low volume of posts and is hard to interact with, he popped into the thread gave some arbitrary scum read on you that was weak at best, defended it, peaced out, then had the opposite reaction to nydus that i did. i would lynch him, but not for a great reason moreso cuz he isn't in my town list.
On June 18 2015 07:05 Damdred wrote: So can we stop picking on LS before drastic things happen?!?
But seriously LS I got you bud, don't worry partner.
hey buddy, get in here:
It's a pocket but it's also an ass.
What are you trying to imply?
Now, ritoky, who should we lynch?
could be a breast pocket too, shouldn't assume things son.
i don't have a particularly clear mafia today if i am being honest. i am probably going to be more prone to sheep one of my town reads unless i find something solid i like.
i think the most anti-town players are LS and bugs; but they could both be town cuz of stupid claiming and effort respectively.
Why bugs is but rsoultin isn't?
because rsoul went like: doing stuff doing stuff SHIT FIGHT RAWR doing stuff doing stuff and bugs went like: SHIT FIGHT KELS SHIT FIGHT RSOUL SHIT FIGHT KELS AGAIN RAWWWWWWRRRR plus he doesn't seem very capable of looking at other povs so far.
plus rsoul has the largest filter so she is 92% likely to be town.
On June 18 2015 13:52 ritoky wrote: ugh i am in such a bad headspace right now. reading this thread making me angrier.
why so angry?
real life shit and LS' posting.
i am about to say some fucking anti-town shit and i don't give a fuck. unless LS gets to a place where i can town read him for the remainder of the game today or there is slam dunk mafia i am probably voting on him. and i actually somewhat believe his blue claim is real. the problem is the guy keeps spewing anti-town sentiment every time he posts, seriously....he is going to be left alive all fucking game on this question mark of a claim and every phase we are gonna do the "whooaaaa should i lynch him today? dance" and it will probably cost town the fucking game.
oh an if you're gonna fucking claim masons with damdred instead of your named VT shit, just do it. you're not subtle in the slightest. since you already claimed blue, if you don't do it now never gonna believe that shit.
the state of this game angers me because i think the two people playing the most anti-town are likely town and we are in terrible trouble.
On June 18 2015 13:52 ritoky wrote: ugh i am in such a bad headspace right now. reading this thread making me angrier.
why so angry?
real life shit and LS' posting.
i am about to say some fucking anti-town shit and i don't give a fuck. unless LS gets to a place where i can town read him for the remainder of the game today or there is slam dunk mafia i am probably voting on him. and i actually somewhat believe his blue claim is real. the problem is the guy keeps spewing anti-town sentiment every time he posts, seriously....he is going to be left alive all fucking game on this question mark of a claim and every phase we are gonna do the "whooaaaa should i lynch him today? dance" and it will probably cost town the fucking game.
oh an if you're gonna fucking claim masons with damdred instead of your named VT shit, just do it. you're not subtle in the slightest. since you already claimed blue, if you don't do it now never gonna believe that shit.
the state of this game angers me because i think the two people playing the most anti-town are likely town and we are in terrible trouble.
Hey if you not going to vote me who you going to vote? I gave a TLDR case on Shockeyy in my filter if you want to read it and put your own input in there
it convinced me about 1% of his alignment. so pretty much garbo
On June 18 2015 13:52 ritoky wrote: ugh i am in such a bad headspace right now. reading this thread making me angrier.
why so angry?
real life shit and LS' posting.
i am about to say some fucking anti-town shit and i don't give a fuck. unless LS gets to a place where i can town read him for the remainder of the game today or there is slam dunk mafia i am probably voting on him. and i actually somewhat believe his blue claim is real. the problem is the guy keeps spewing anti-town sentiment every time he posts, seriously....he is going to be left alive all fucking game on this question mark of a claim and every phase we are gonna do the "whooaaaa should i lynch him today? dance" and it will probably cost town the fucking game.
oh an if you're gonna fucking claim masons with damdred instead of your named VT shit, just do it. you're not subtle in the slightest. since you already claimed blue, if you don't do it now never gonna believe that shit.
the state of this game angers me because i think the two people playing the most anti-town are likely town and we are in terrible trouble.
On June 18 2015 13:52 ritoky wrote: ugh i am in such a bad headspace right now. reading this thread making me angrier.
why so angry?
real life shit and LS' posting.
i am about to say some fucking anti-town shit and i don't give a fuck. unless LS gets to a place where i can town read him for the remainder of the game today or there is slam dunk mafia i am probably voting on him. and i actually somewhat believe his blue claim is real. the problem is the guy keeps spewing anti-town sentiment every time he posts, seriously....he is going to be left alive all fucking game on this question mark of a claim and every phase we are gonna do the "whooaaaa should i lynch him today? dance" and it will probably cost town the fucking game.
oh an if you're gonna fucking claim masons with damdred instead of your named VT shit, just do it. you're not subtle in the slightest. since you already claimed blue, if you don't do it now never gonna believe that shit.
the state of this game angers me because i think the two people playing the most anti-town are likely town and we are in terrible trouble.
Hey if you not going to vote me who you going to vote? I gave a TLDR case on Shockeyy in my filter if you want to read it and put your own input in there
it convinced me about 1% of his alignment. so pretty much garbo
On June 18 2015 10:53 Breshke wrote: Also I really agree with bugs on the LS claim and also agree with rsoul that if he is doing it as scum his teammates have been telling him to do it which basically clear up an world of LS/KSC scum pair because he was the only one to pressure him hardcore i felt. Yay for associative reads. Yet LS just claiming then not doing anything but defending himself with his blue claim feels really scummy. Can you do stuff man, if you are town I know you have it in you.
People been pressuring non stop what else was I suppose to do -_-
Does repeating "im blue" do anything? They know you claimed.
Talk about other stuff
Ya want to lynch Shockeyy with me?
I want you to convince me why I should lynch shockey
TLDR Case on Shockeyy: 1. His list post was rather shitty in terms of reasons 2. He been making excuses for his poor play 3. Some of posts seemed forced I will to vote Boxerfred if Shockeyy doesn't appear to be the lynch today but I think Shockeyy is worse than Boxer atm.
Could you quote the posts which you think seem forced.
These:
On June 17 2015 09:10 ShoCkeyy wrote: rsoultin - idk wtf they're posting atm KelsierSC - reminds me of bugs, a butthole, but a town butthole Bill Murray - idk ritoky - Channel 4 Choppa ShoCkeyy - Town Onegu - Misclaim to VT? We'll see, I'll just give him the benefit of the doubt. Holyflare - Opening/Only post claims town lol. Damdred + Show Spoiler +
On June 17 2015 07:09 Damdred wrote: So ok claiming town which means ls is scum
On June 17 2015 08:08 NydusHerMain wrote: I don't think LS is being that towny o.O. Am I crazy? I'm not saying he's not town but how do people have a "probs town" or "hard town" read on him already.
Because they know my meta? Check the database lpus Witchcraft III for my meta if you want any
seriously can you shut the fuck up already with this shit
you have just taken a shit in your hand and thrown whatever came out into the thread. I don't think your town and bringing up all this meta crap so early on is fucking irritating
Even if I'm right and your town keep the bm out of thread. Its not needed even if you are annoyed at this point.
I'll substantiate later, but I don't believe nhm or ls are capable of posting such as these as scum. Both are somewhat meta based reads.
Kel is just a maybe town.
I know I'm town obviously
I also think gb is a decent shot as town but don't tell him I said that
you can explain ls right now actually...what has he posted that makes him town? There's a lot of shit but nothing of real value.
There are two types of people that play mafia
1. Players who are capable of changing meta and care 2. Players who only play for one alignment and either refuse or can't change meta
LS belongs in group 2, he's already done several of his town tells at this point. Digging up old,meta cases on him to show how people know him. He's sort of jokey, and he's willing to get into,confrontations to a degree.
As scum he's lazy, he is serious and skittish.
He's town to me at this juncture.
So Damdred, which one is it? Is LS scum cause you're town, or is LS town and you're scum? Or are you both town or scum?
On June 17 2015 08:09 ritoky wrote: current state of the thread:
more updates to come.
choppa 4 on the scene.
Ugh can you tell me what your reads are atm based on stuff happening?
Give it a day or two...
Damdred can you substantiate your reads a bit please? Especially on LS and that other guy? Last game you were one of the first ones to give content and you gave pretty good explanations on each of them...
You posted afterwards but never responded to this.
On June 17 2015 08:13 Fidei86 wrote: Evening guys. In case you haven't played with me before, this is my second game (first was Holy Guardians). Heading to bed now, but it looks like there'll be a ton of posts ready for me when I wake up ...
Why post this if 40 mins later you're going to post again?
On June 17 2015 08:57 Fidei86 wrote: Everyone I played with in HG seems to be carrying on as they left off, except Onegu isn't shit-posting as much, though that's probably because the end of the last game was pretty hype and probably got him jacked to play again. Others will know GB better than I do, but in the HG ins thread he was poking everyone to make reads super early, so that probably means it's his natural play style. He gets a slight town read.
I better see poking this game
Breshke - His posting currently comes off as town to me atm Mig - waiting GlowingBear - Who knows, acts like a child when things don't go his way in town/scum games. LightningStrike - Acting like he cares? I don't know yet, but his posting looks familiar with his last game where he was scum (not caring about what he writes) wherebugsgo - Ego town butthole VayneAuthority - Not much boxerfred - First post is what?
Going to leave now, in-laws are in town.
Context of that post: He haven't posted for a little over 1 hour and seemed kinda forced to give a list of reads plus I felt like his reads weren't as insightful as his last game like when he was around he was pushing shit more than did this game.
On June 17 2015 22:51 ShoCkeyy wrote: Alright going to try and get this going here. I don't get why people care so much about activity? It's been known since this forum even started that people lurk and will always lurk. I can't be posting all day and night as some others here cause I own four businesses + consult major businesses. I use mafia as a past time and can post when I have free time. If you like my activity great, if you don't sucks for you. At least I try and help the town win rather than post non-sense and spam up the thread.
@Breshke - It's not that I didn't care about my read, is that every one and their mothers is already giving their read on LS. Why do I need to ask a question that was already answer?
@KSC - I don't get why you think I was going after damdred? It was just an early post to get more info on him and in return he got info out of me. I never even claimed I think he's mafia. If anything, his reads seem town motivated.
The list post I made was just have my notes out early. Today alone is my wife's birthday and I have planned to spend it with her - I even posted before game started I will be active mornings and nights (nights meaning before bed time).
@LS - I have, but I haven't been able to deep dive into them. Currently, I'm basing your posting style to your previous game we played together.
I'll be back at night and post follow up responses. I will also try to respond from my phone if possible.
Outside the questions in that post it seemed much more fluff than anything.
So your three reasons for scumming him were
1 bad list post 2. makes excuses 3. posts seemed forced
But 3 is actually just 1 and 2 because the posts you said seemed forced are the list post and him making an excuse.
Frankly i don't think shockey saying shit about not posting much is alignment indicative for him since he did it in witch (might have been post game) but he did do it so it is something he would complain about as either alignment.
I don't know what to say to you LS it doesn't feel like you really think he is scum.
plus you say feels weird or some synonym a lot, which makes me turn my brain off.
On June 18 2015 13:52 ritoky wrote: ugh i am in such a bad headspace right now. reading this thread making me angrier.
why so angry?
real life shit and LS' posting.
i am about to say some fucking anti-town shit and i don't give a fuck. unless LS gets to a place where i can town read him for the remainder of the game today or there is slam dunk mafia i am probably voting on him. and i actually somewhat believe his blue claim is real. the problem is the guy keeps spewing anti-town sentiment every time he posts, seriously....he is going to be left alive all fucking game on this question mark of a claim and every phase we are gonna do the "whooaaaa should i lynch him today? dance" and it will probably cost town the fucking game.
oh an if you're gonna fucking claim masons with damdred instead of your named VT shit, just do it. you're not subtle in the slightest. since you already claimed blue, if you don't do it now never gonna believe that shit.
the state of this game angers me because i think the two people playing the most anti-town are likely town and we are in terrible trouble.
ls and wbg if i recall correctly?
eh
turning off that rsoul persona y'all know and love -coughs-
i understand your anger, ritoky. the reason i have so much trouble turning off the growl is nothing irritates me more than terrible arguments of nothing when i'm trying to solve a game...but there are always going to be bad players and bad plays and what it comes down to is if you actually think/believe these players are town you're gonna just have to let it go, you know? lol there's a reason my reads are like so much better on the big names...whether or not they're just being bad usually isn't in question
work with me to find the scum? and while you're at it, if you have a townread on wbg, can you please explain it? his push on me...blah...and i just reread ksc and it's like how does anyone come up with scum from that? @.@ i don't get it when y'all are treating wbg like he's actually good (and i know he caught scum last game)
alright let's find a scum case good enough to make me not vote on LS. who's your town, let's compare lists.
On June 18 2015 14:15 rsoultin wrote: i'm not asking why you're scumreading lightningstrike shockey
i'm asking you why he is your top scumread...though perhaps the better way to phrase it is if he suddenly dropped dead, who else are you willing to lynch?
your only purpose for quoting those was to say nhm was town...multiple times? okay i guess lol ><
In all honesty? You, but you still haven't given me a valid reason to call you scum and my current scum radar is going off on LS. And if you read my post you would see why he's my top scum read.
And as mentioned I haven't fully looked into boxerfred yet. I've only read what holyflare has mentioned about him.
that's cool. you once made a terrible list post a couple hours into the day and it was terrible. can you do that again but make it less terrible this time? thanks.
On June 18 2015 13:52 ritoky wrote: ugh i am in such a bad headspace right now. reading this thread making me angrier.
why so angry?
real life shit and LS' posting.
i am about to say some fucking anti-town shit and i don't give a fuck. unless LS gets to a place where i can town read him for the remainder of the game today or there is slam dunk mafia i am probably voting on him. and i actually somewhat believe his blue claim is real. the problem is the guy keeps spewing anti-town sentiment every time he posts, seriously....he is going to be left alive all fucking game on this question mark of a claim and every phase we are gonna do the "whooaaaa should i lynch him today? dance" and it will probably cost town the fucking game.
oh an if you're gonna fucking claim masons with damdred instead of your named VT shit, just do it. you're not subtle in the slightest. since you already claimed blue, if you don't do it now never gonna believe that shit.
the state of this game angers me because i think the two people playing the most anti-town are likely town and we are in terrible trouble.
ls and wbg if i recall correctly?
eh
turning off that rsoul persona y'all know and love -coughs-
i understand your anger, ritoky. the reason i have so much trouble turning off the growl is nothing irritates me more than terrible arguments of nothing when i'm trying to solve a game...but there are always going to be bad players and bad plays and what it comes down to is if you actually think/believe these players are town you're gonna just have to let it go, you know? lol there's a reason my reads are like so much better on the big names...whether or not they're just being bad usually isn't in question
work with me to find the scum? and while you're at it, if you have a townread on wbg, can you please explain it? his push on me...blah...and i just reread ksc and it's like how does anyone come up with scum from that? @.@ i don't get it when y'all are treating wbg like he's actually good (and i know he caught scum last game)
alright let's find a scum case good enough to make me not vote on LS. who's your town, let's compare lists.
lol >< you're catching me in the middle of my filter dives so i think this may change suddenly so bear with me :/
currently you, fidei and ksc are my top towns
just got finished diving shockey and i dunnae...maybe you wouldn't mind taking a look at his filter? it doesn't actually seem that bad
like the push on damdy was when damdy gave pretty paintbrush reads after being asked to substantiate them, which i think is fairly justified...plus you know, he posts an entire list of everyone and then criticizes damdy for 3...to me that seems like maybe he thinks posting lists like that is the right thing for town to do lol ><
not a townread but i don't think i really want to lynch him today anymore
you have fringe townies, cuz a list of you + 3 is not exactly a good place to begin PoEing down who to look into.
On June 18 2015 14:15 rsoultin wrote: i'm not asking why you're scumreading lightningstrike shockey
i'm asking you why he is your top scumread...though perhaps the better way to phrase it is if he suddenly dropped dead, who else are you willing to lynch?
your only purpose for quoting those was to say nhm was town...multiple times? okay i guess lol ><
In all honesty? You, but you still haven't given me a valid reason to call you scum and my current scum radar is going off on LS. And if you read my post you would see why he's my top scum read.
And as mentioned I haven't fully looked into boxerfred yet. I've only read what holyflare has mentioned about him.
that's cool. you once made a terrible list post a couple hours into the day and it was terrible. can you do that again but make it less terrible this time? thanks.
I will post my list in the morning. Going to let the posts rack up a bit more. I want to see others thoughts before I finalize it for day 1.
okay don't do the full list.
give me 3 most town people and 3 most mafia people. 1 sentence on why for each. that a good compromise?
On June 18 2015 14:33 ShoCkeyy wrote: Alright chops 4, btw what did you think of my push against LS and his responses to me? Also thoughts on rsoul?
I agree with your points but not necessarily your conclusion. Because you seem to not regard the fact that he has done stupid claim shit like this as town on day 1 under no lynch pressure before. Your points aren't wrong, those are anti-town things and his responses to you are bleh at best.
I learned from a recent Obs game that rsoul is an easy read for me in the late game. The problem is she shoots me as scum early in games and I shoot her as scum early in games so neither one of us ever gets there is we are opposing alignments. She is town for now cuz she seems interested in solving the game; will re-evaluate later. Except I expect after my outburst I am gonna get the HF treatment tonight.
Rsoultin and ritoky, is there anyone from here you don't want to lynch today?
the problem is that is a list of low post count/low hanging fruit in a lot of cases which means i am probably wrong somewhere, but w/e.
breshke and fid would be the last 2 i lynch on that list atm, but if a case was made that was good i could be convinced.
Lost post count is exactly what made this list + some scummy things in some of the filters. Like, if I had to put in order form LYNCH NOW to DUNNO LOL, it would be something like this:
On June 17 2015 12:58 GlowingBear wrote: By the way, trust the tone read rsoultin gives on damdred and me
I've been discussing games with her for a long while and he does that every time. And she does it correctly.
Like, I told her I was freezingfoot last game and she said: you're scum right? you don't feel like town gb
I trust her tone reads as genuine
What is rubbing me the wrong way is the shitfight she entered and the refusal to get off of it.
I agree the shitfight is not helping town but I don't think it is alignment indicative. Even before they interacted i knew her and bugs would not get along no matter their alignment unless they were mafia together. That is like the only thing I got out of that shitfight the fact that they i think they can not be mafia together.
But yeah I don't think you should judge them on the shitfight because it is jsut their personalities and yeah its boring as fuck but it is because they are both stubborn. They both seem likely town to me now another reason the shitfight is boring as hell.
GB why are you sheeping HF? Wheres the townread come from you might have said but i missed it.
What about each of their play outside of the shitfight gave you these town reads then?
Bugs is very similar to last game and is acting exactly how i expect him too as town for example almost started going after nydus because he thought he was a smurf, continued to hunt for good players to try and get their opinions. I also liked the effort he out in when i asked him to dive damdred.
Rsoul i wont count the most recent thing i said because that was after i posted that. I don't actually remember the reason I think it was a gut thing or because she was being difficult.
have you ever played with bugs when he was mafia?
No. I understand the failures of the read but I don't care
So you're saying you have town reads on them outside of their fighting and the reasons are: -incomplete meta read -i don't remember
?????? wat?
Yeah that sums it up fairly well.
content wise this is such trash mafia crap.
but tone wise your defiance gives me a town chub.
fuck you for sending mixed signals.
Because I think it would have been so easy for him to shit on me there but he didn't.
also the extra lines at end of posts always make me want to robik read people.
On June 18 2015 14:33 ShoCkeyy wrote: Alright chops 4, btw what did you think of my push against LS and his responses to me? Also thoughts on rsoul?
I agree with your points but not necessarily your conclusion. Because you seem to not regard the fact that he has done stupid claim shit like this as town on day 1 under no lynch pressure before. Your points aren't wrong, those are anti-town things and his responses to you are bleh at best.
I learned from a recent Obs game that rsoul is an easy read for me in the late game. The problem is she shoots me as scum early in games and I shoot her as scum early in games so neither one of us ever gets there is we are opposing alignments. She is town for now cuz she seems interested in solving the game; will re-evaluate later. Except I expect after my outburst I am gonna get the HF treatment tonight.
o.0 all of these it's impossible to tell reads; my scum game is seriously not as good as y'all give me credit for
at least i get honorary townread in the beginning pbbbbfffttt xP
naw i think your early scum game is really good. it appears the same as your town game. i just find you super obvious around D3 and beyond in recent memory of your games.
On June 18 2015 14:33 ShoCkeyy wrote: Alright chops 4, btw what did you think of my push against LS and his responses to me? Also thoughts on rsoul?
I agree with your points but not necessarily your conclusion. Because you seem to not regard the fact that he has done stupid claim shit like this as town on day 1 under no lynch pressure before. Your points aren't wrong, those are anti-town things and his responses to you are bleh at best.
I learned from a recent Obs game that rsoul is an easy read for me in the late game. The problem is she shoots me as scum early in games and I shoot her as scum early in games so neither one of us ever gets there is we are opposing alignments. She is town for now cuz she seems interested in solving the game; will re-evaluate later. Except I expect after my outburst I am gonna get the HF treatment tonight.
o.0 all of these it's impossible to tell reads; my scum game is seriously not as good as y'all give me credit for
at least i get honorary townread in the beginning pbbbbfffttt xP
naw i think your early scum game is really good. it appears the same as your town game. i just find you super obvious around D3 and beyond in recent memory of your games.
ah, that i can believe. i still haven't worked out how to handle me teammates, especially when they're struggling problem with being a fluid poster and trying the mimic it lol
not important right now
bueno
okay with a lohen lynch as well...kinda want to sit on that for a little bit longer though for reasons i'm not gonna go into presently in case they prompt him to act a certain way ^^
we're supposed to be finding scum here so that i don't lynch LS, not sitting on things for a while longer.
oh rsoul, here's some other shit. i remember my rsoul and bugs read now that i actually opened my spreadsheet where i wrote it down and am not derp.
basically after you finished shitfighting within an hour 4 or 5 people all came into the thread super eager and were like "i think that was two town fighting". so i wrote down:
-rsoul and bugs might have been spewed as town, people too eager to town read them (also could be together in strange world)
On June 18 2015 14:58 ritoky wrote: GB, any semblance of a read on VA? cuz he is kinda toward the middle of your ranking rather than "I DONT FUCKIN KNOW" territory.
I can't read VA I don't trust any of his reads. I don't see an actual attempt to solve the game in his filter.
But him being in the middle is because I have some kind very faint town read on people in the bottom.
Which would mean you have at least a town lean on everyone else not on the list right? So what happened to this guy to make you read him town?
On June 17 2015 11:51 GlowingBear wrote:
Actual Listpost v1.0
Probs town
Holyflare (not posting + ninja vote on Bill Murray isn't a thing I see scumFlare comfortable at doing)
Damdred (tone reading, looks like town, fluid posts)
NydusHerMain(? need to keep an eye on him because when he got universally townread he stopped caring and just
came back to comment on posts that cited him, which is mafia indicative)
Kelsier (? need to keep an eye on him because he oddly tried to disrupt town while throwing suspicions on LS without actually trying to convince thread with strong arguments)
ritoky (trolled but jumped on rsoultin as a clear reaction to thread direction, not a strong read but could me town
Breshke (thinking critically about the game)
LS (a lot of activity early game, enough to grant him a day1 pass IMO)
Null
rsoultin (not caring for her today)
Bill Murray (could lynch pls)
Bugs (some of his approach looks scummy, some others look townie - in other words, I like that he pushes rsoultin but I dislike his unawareness of the rest of the thread - last game he was reacting to mostly everything but here he is tunneling rsoultin, which is a very easy behaviour for scum to adopt)
Fidei (meh)
Mig (who?)
Probs Mafia
Onegu (unnecessary need to claim VT ESPECIALLY after he was scumread for not claiming VT in a previous game + meta: town onegu is lazy and I don't see him giving himself the trouble to going into another game to paste an opening where he claimed VT as town + Onegu prefers playing as scum and he was too excited for rolling VT, meanwhile in the other game he was extremely upset he rolled VT)
[*]boxerfred (opening is a joke post commenting another joke post and fucking off of the thread) boxerfred
On June 17 2015 13:47 GlowingBear wrote: My Day1 PoE lynchlist (from most preferred to least preferred target)
On June 18 2015 14:58 ritoky wrote: GB, any semblance of a read on VA? cuz he is kinda toward the middle of your ranking rather than "I DONT FUCKIN KNOW" territory.
I can't read VA I don't trust any of his reads. I don't see an actual attempt to solve the game in his filter.
But him being in the middle is because I have some kind very faint town read on people in the bottom.
Which would mean you have at least a town lean on everyone else not on the list right? So what happened to this guy to make you read him town?
On June 17 2015 11:51 GlowingBear wrote:
Actual Listpost v1.0
Probs town
Holyflare (not posting + ninja vote on Bill Murray isn't a thing I see scumFlare comfortable at doing)
Damdred (tone reading, looks like town, fluid posts)
NydusHerMain(? need to keep an eye on him because when he got universally townread he stopped caring and just
came back to comment on posts that cited him, which is mafia indicative)
Kelsier (? need to keep an eye on him because he oddly tried to disrupt town while throwing suspicions on LS without actually trying to convince thread with strong arguments)
ritoky (trolled but jumped on rsoultin as a clear reaction to thread direction, not a strong read but could me town
Breshke (thinking critically about the game)
LS (a lot of activity early game, enough to grant him a day1 pass IMO)
Null
rsoultin (not caring for her today)
Bill Murray (could lynch pls)
Bugs (some of his approach looks scummy, some others look townie - in other words, I like that he pushes rsoultin but I dislike his unawareness of the rest of the thread - last game he was reacting to mostly everything but here he is tunneling rsoultin, which is a very easy behaviour for scum to adopt)
Fidei (meh)
Mig (who?)
Probs Mafia
Onegu (unnecessary need to claim VT ESPECIALLY after he was scumread for not claiming VT in a previous game + meta: town onegu is lazy and I don't see him giving himself the trouble to going into another game to paste an opening where he claimed VT as town + Onegu prefers playing as scum and he was too excited for rolling VT, meanwhile in the other game he was extremely upset he rolled VT)
[*]boxerfred (opening is a joke post commenting another joke post and fucking off of the thread) boxerfred
On June 17 2015 13:47 GlowingBear wrote: My Day1 PoE lynchlist (from most preferred to least preferred target)
On June 18 2015 15:25 GlowingBear wrote: You see, I saw scummy things in LS which I thought it was weird, and I pushed them, but way more for the sake of gathering information from him. I don't CARE for LS today. I can look at him tomorrow.
I did NOT try to stop Breshke from calling LS out. I just felt Breshke is looking scummy to me and I pointed that out.
OH HELL NO. I am not doing this dance again tomorrow with LS unless we have slam dunk scum. Either he gets to perma-town read status or we put him down. I ain't about that fucking shit.
- Hi guys I am here! Notice me senpai post #2 THIS TIME WITH PROMISES!
- I totally was skimming, then I read some weird shit between KSC and HF, so I read their filters. With no real game context, KSC is town and HF is mafia.
- Hi guys I am here! Notice me senpai post #3
- Bickering with HF over meta shit and self-aware meta shit.
- Opposite reaction that I had to a nydus post
Time to plug it into choppa 4 and see the result:
Would vote to lynch. Not attempting to solve the game, admittedly not reading the thread yet presuming an in depth case on a player with 0 thread context for the case, only interactions in the entire thread are with HF, bugs, ksc, and nydus which means he has ignored 3/4 of the game; not indicative of someone attempting to solve the game.
like even the sub has interacted with more people in a 5 post filter and half the time than BF has. and he hasn't even claimed to have skimmed the game.
I didn't really read his filter when I defended him honestly. I only really read his filter when Mig brought up Boxer's stuff regarding timing and failing to do promised stuff.
As terrible as this is, this actually makes me think LS is more likely to be town haha. Mafia usually arent brazen enough to come out and admit shit like this.
my imaginary awake person? hey choppa 4, why did that shit stand out to you?
yo that's a great question brochacho. because it seems like an unusual and weak reason to turn a read on a dime over. prior to this mig thought that LS was being scummy and there wasn't much of a reason to believe his claim or town read him. here he goes into great depth about it:
On June 18 2015 06:25 Mig wrote: Regarding LS, why are people instantly believing his claim? What exactly has LS done to show he is town other than the claim?
Starts off with the instant attacking onegu for claiming vt, struck me as trying to make a big deal out of completely nothing. People claim VT all the time.
Follows it up with buddying up to bugs just non stop, completely plausible thing for a fishy mafia to try and buddy up to the guy who caught him last game.
When asked for his scum reads he is incredibly wishy washy + Show Spoiler +
On June 18 2015 02:13 LightningStrike wrote:
It's only a weak scumread right now and would like to talk to him more when he gets backs so I can confirm my read plus have others give me their thoughts and see if align with my own thoughts. Also I did have a somewhat recent game as town when I didn't have a scumread for the first 48 hours so therefore you logic isn't exactly a scum tell The game that I didn't have a scumread for the first 48 hours was Games of Thrones Mini recently if you want to check it out.
And ends up saying he decided to vote for shockey because other people were on him (easy way to deflect blame if shockey flips town).
Even his motto for handling rsoul is a straight copy from GB + Show Spoiler +
On June 18 2015 02:43 LightningStrike wrote: Also the best rule on rsoultin is that if she gets to LYLO you just lynch her because she is more likely scum when she hits LYLO from her recent games.
LS do you actually have any original thoughts? Who besides shockey do you think is likely to be scum?
On June 18 2015 06:25 Mig wrote: Regarding LS, why are people instantly believing his claim? What exactly has LS done to show he is town other than the claim?
Starts off with the instant attacking onegu for claiming vt, struck me as trying to make a big deal out of completely nothing. People claim VT all the time.
Follows it up with buddying up to bugs just non stop, completely plausible thing for a fishy mafia to try and buddy up to the guy who caught him last game.
When asked for his scum reads he is incredibly wishy washy + Show Spoiler +
On June 18 2015 02:13 LightningStrike wrote:
It's only a weak scumread right now and would like to talk to him more when he gets backs so I can confirm my read plus have others give me their thoughts and see if align with my own thoughts. Also I did have a somewhat recent game as town when I didn't have a scumread for the first 48 hours so therefore you logic isn't exactly a scum tell The game that I didn't have a scumread for the first 48 hours was Games of Thrones Mini recently if you want to check it out.
And ends up saying he decided to vote for shockey because other people were on him (easy way to deflect blame if shockey flips town).
Even his motto for handling rsoul is a straight copy from GB + Show Spoiler +
On June 18 2015 02:43 LightningStrike wrote: Also the best rule on rsoultin is that if she gets to LYLO you just lynch her because she is more likely scum when she hits LYLO from her recent games.
LS do you actually have any original thoughts? Who besides shockey do you think is likely to be scum?
ehhhh mostly just that he has this annoying habit (the same thing onegu was talking about, as we've both explained to him why it's bad ><) of claiming at the first sign of pressure
to the point of ridiculousness (i.e. with hardly any or very few votes on him)
he did this d1 in greymist's last massive themed game just because hf and i were expressing suspicions. 2 people in a game of nearly 30 with no votes on him
i don't think i've seen him do it as scum? and i'm already townreading him for tone/meta reasons...he usually doesn't push much of anything as scum, for one...even though he knows this i kinda agree with damdy that ls seems to have a hard time (or lack motivation) to fix even the smallest things in his mafia game
I find it pretty suspect to just believe his claim because he hasn't done it as scum yet. I mean it is going to happen eventually right? Is LS just going to play for the rest of his life always claiming whenever he is a town blue? Pretty convenient that his claim happens to be a named VT also, the one blue claim he can make where he doesnt have to do anything.
Regarding pushing people, is he really pushing shockey at all? It seems more like parroting other people to me.
Tone stuff I can't really argue with, I need to read his other games.
to summarize, mig thought in regards to LS that: 1) there's no reason to instantly believe his blue claim 2) that his onegu interaction was manufactured 3) that he was buddying people 4) that he gives non-committal reads 5) follows thread sentiment onto shockkey and doesn't believe he is mafia 6) copies most of his material from other players 7) discredits all meta arguments about him doing this as town prior.
those are 7 points as to why mig thinks LS isn't town and his claim shouldn't be believed. outside of his read on GB, LS is the player he has focused on the most, yet he completely 180s the read over 1 dumb tell. someone who put enough time, research, and filter diving into making posts structured and researched in the manner you have....you really want me to believe that 1 dumb tell invalidated 7 points? i am not buying what this guy is selling here. he could very well be mafia.
On June 18 2015 17:12 Breshke wrote: Yeah nice post ritoky I obviously didn't see that either. Who do you think is scummier BF or Mig? I would still say BF
mig is probably more actively scummy to me because he provided content and then went back on his own content over basically nothing.
BF, while i see him as scummy i can kinda see a little bit of his perspective from bad town. skimming thread until strange interaction -> read more on thing you find strange -> give reads on thing you find strange -> defend your bad reads because you think highly of them. that is a progression that bad town can go through, but it is still shitty.
that said the above probably still isn't enuf to get me to not vote on LS lol
On June 18 2015 17:30 Breshke wrote: Shit as in he most likely flips named VT but I agree that itll probably happen eventually and will be a massive distraction going forward
going forward? it is already happening, read this shit:
On June 18 2015 15:25 GlowingBear wrote: You see, I saw scummy things in LS which I thought it was weird, and I pushed them, but way more for the sake of gathering information from him. I don't CARE for LS today. I can look at him tomorrow.
I did NOT try to stop Breshke from calling LS out. I just felt Breshke is looking scummy to me and I pointed that out.
OH HELL NO. I am not doing this dance again tomorrow with LS unless we have slam dunk scum. Either he gets to perma-town read status or we put him down. I ain't about that fucking shit.
when he tells you "cuz named VT has no powers and is worthless, so why not claim it"; i will probably be asleep so make sure you ask him "then why didn't you claim it the moment the game started?" for me. i am relying on you for this. don't dishonour me or i will lynch you.
On June 18 2015 17:50 ritoky wrote: when he tells you "cuz named VT has no powers and is worthless, so why not claim it"; i will probably be asleep so make sure you ask him "then why didn't you claim it the moment the game started?" for me. i am relying on you for this. don't dishonour me or i will lynch you.
but if he isn't here in like 4 hours ill probs be asleep as well.
This burden is too heavy
1 of us has to lose sleep for this great cause. i vote you.
On June 18 2015 17:50 ritoky wrote: when he tells you "cuz named VT has no powers and is worthless, so why not claim it"; i will probably be asleep so make sure you ask him "then why didn't you claim it the moment the game started?" for me. i am relying on you for this. don't dishonour me or i will lynch you.
but if he isn't here in like 4 hours ill probs be asleep as well.
This burden is too heavy
1 of us has to lose sleep for this great cause. i vote you.
I'm here now, i'm on it
you caught up it seems, what you think of me getting pissed about LS and then the other shit i typed. and anything else.
On June 18 2015 23:43 wherebugsgo wrote: like, more or less admitting that you don't give a fuck what LS's alignment is, and then admitting that you are lynching him for pure policy is by itself far scummier than anything LS did. At least he is trying and giving off the impression that he cares about the game, and even if he is scum and you are town he's probably a bigger asset to us.
On June 18 2015 23:51 NydusHerMain wrote: I failed to make my promise of reading everything and keeping up with my postage... sigh... And I have to go to work BUT I will say that I'm okay with either lynch but I'd rather LS live until tomorrow. The only reason I even had LS in my town circle is because I just assumed that his town meta was activity (?) . That's something that's been on my mind though. How was he even a lynch consideration if his meta is activity and he has a big filter? Weird weird. I think I got somewhere around a blue claim. Was that even a serious claim and does blue mean role or VT? If it's role, how many roles are there because that kind of scares me. Anyways, I still think Shockey is a great lynch but maybe he said something while I wasn't here. I'll switch my vote to BF when I'm able to if I determine Shockey is not lynchable.
GB and rsoul were like "let's find scum" then didn't try to find scum very hard. then when they passed out i went scum hunting and plopped some work into the thread and neither one commented on it in the slightest. both were apparently reading me super town, so why the shit did they ignore it upon re-entry?
kels i am annoyed with because he promised to ask my question and didn't.
On June 19 2015 04:08 ritoky wrote: I am very annoyed with GB, rsoul, and kelsier.
GB and rsoul were like "let's find scum" then didn't try to find scum very hard. then when they passed out i went scum hunting and plopped some work into the thread and neither one commented on it in the slightest. both were apparently reading me super town, so why the shit did they ignore it upon re-entry?
kels i am annoyed with because he promised to ask my question and didn't.
but LS explained when he got back
and his reason was he was annoyed with me pressing him
But why not just claim named VT the moment the game begins?
On June 19 2015 04:08 ritoky wrote: I am very annoyed with GB, rsoul, and kelsier.
GB and rsoul were like "let's find scum" then didn't try to find scum very hard. then when they passed out i went scum hunting and plopped some work into the thread and neither one commented on it in the slightest. both were apparently reading me super town, so why the shit did they ignore it upon re-entry?
kels i am annoyed with because he promised to ask my question and didn't.
but LS explained when he got back
and his reason was he was annoyed with me pressing him
But why not just claim named VT the moment the game begins?
On June 19 2015 04:12 NydusHerMain wrote: I won't be able to make a case on onegu in enough time but I think gb is townier than bf
##Vote: boxerfred
Dude Boxerfred is most likely going to get modkilled because he haven't voted. Switch to GB where we actually got a good case plus a lot of back to it please don't let your vote go to waste
Don't hedge around modkills. I did it last game, and the mod fucked me in the anus.
On June 19 2015 04:08 ritoky wrote: I am very annoyed with GB, rsoul, and kelsier.
GB and rsoul were like "let's find scum" then didn't try to find scum very hard. then when they passed out i went scum hunting and plopped some work into the thread and neither one commented on it in the slightest. both were apparently reading me super town, so why the shit did they ignore it upon re-entry?
kels i am annoyed with because he promised to ask my question and didn't.
but LS explained when he got back
and his reason was he was annoyed with me pressing him
But why not just claim named VT the moment the game begins?
Because I didn't feel like claiming named VT at the start of the game.
On June 19 2015 04:08 ritoky wrote: I am very annoyed with GB, rsoul, and kelsier.
GB and rsoul were like "let's find scum" then didn't try to find scum very hard. then when they passed out i went scum hunting and plopped some work into the thread and neither one commented on it in the slightest. both were apparently reading me super town, so why the shit did they ignore it upon re-entry?
kels i am annoyed with because he promised to ask my question and didn't.
but LS explained when he got back
and his reason was he was annoyed with me pressing him
But why not just claim named VT the moment the game begins?
Because I didn't feel like claiming named VT at the start of the game.
cool, i am probably voting you this phase.
But that is going to be a wasted vote when we got two wagons going on............
1) you're spewing non-stop anti-town 2) people are already doing the "should we lynch LS this phase? naw reconsider next phase!" dance, which will go on many days and probably cost town the game 3) the other wagons aren't compelling enough to not vote on you 4) in some semblance i agree with onegu. i used to fake claim cop a bunch on these forums until some1 intentionally lost a game to teach me a lesson. you need to learn a lesson.
On June 19 2015 04:08 ritoky wrote: I am very annoyed with GB, rsoul, and kelsier.
GB and rsoul were like "let's find scum" then didn't try to find scum very hard. then when they passed out i went scum hunting and plopped some work into the thread and neither one commented on it in the slightest. both were apparently reading me super town, so why the shit did they ignore it upon re-entry?
kels i am annoyed with because he promised to ask my question and didn't.
but LS explained when he got back
and his reason was he was annoyed with me pressing him
But why not just claim named VT the moment the game begins?
Because I didn't feel like claiming named VT at the start of the game.
cool, i am probably voting you this phase.
But that is going to be a wasted vote when we got two wagons going on............
1) you're spewing non-stop anti-town 2) people are already doing the "should we lynch LS this phase? naw reconsider next phase!" dance, which will go on many days and probably cost town the game 3) the other wagons aren't compelling enough to not vote on you 4) in some semblance i agree with onegu. i used to fake claim cop a bunch on these forums until some1 intentionally lost a game to teach me a lesson. you need to learn a lesson.
Point 4 i going againist your win condition by intentionally losing a game do you want to be mod killed for that?
I will be voting to lynch what I feel is the biggest impediment to town victory: you.
To me you're just sitting in the thread loling and seeing how much anti-town shit you can get away with before your string of credit runs out. It annoys me, and it is terrible play if you're town.
On June 19 2015 04:08 ritoky wrote: I am very annoyed with GB, rsoul, and kelsier.
GB and rsoul were like "let's find scum" then didn't try to find scum very hard. then when they passed out i went scum hunting and plopped some work into the thread and neither one commented on it in the slightest. both were apparently reading me super town, so why the shit did they ignore it upon re-entry?
kels i am annoyed with because he promised to ask my question and didn't.
but LS explained when he got back
and his reason was he was annoyed with me pressing him
But why not just claim named VT the moment the game begins?
Because I didn't feel like claiming named VT at the start of the game.
cool, i am probably voting you this phase.
But that is going to be a wasted vote when we got two wagons going on............
1) you're spewing non-stop anti-town 2) people are already doing the "should we lynch LS this phase? naw reconsider next phase!" dance, which will go on many days and probably cost town the game 3) the other wagons aren't compelling enough to not vote on you 4) in some semblance i agree with onegu. i used to fake claim cop a bunch on these forums until some1 intentionally lost a game to teach me a lesson. you need to learn a lesson.
Point 4 i going againist your win condition by intentionally losing a game do you want to be mod killed for that?
I will be voting to lynch what I feel is the biggest impediment to town victory: you.
To me you're just sitting in the thread loling and seeing how much anti-town shit you can get away with before your string of credit runs out. It annoys me, and it is terrible play if you're town.
where exactly do you see this in LS's play? Like I legitimately don't understand the suspicion or where it comes from.
Let's ignore the claim for a second, what are the other things you think LS is doing that are anti-town?
On June 19 2015 04:30 Lohengramm wrote: I'm going to continue to smurf for filter purposes, and because this account's name is fucking awesome. But yes, I am Yamato.
I will read filters until deadline. BF I have already read but if he's posted anything new I will give my thoughts. I will read LS closer but I really don't think he's mafia at all. As said before, I have a vague suspicion of GB but I admittedly only read like 10 pages.
For now, so I don't get modkilled after replacing in;
##Vote: boxerfred
When you get caught up full can you tell me your thoughts on Bugs case on GB please?
why?
Because I strongly believe in Bugs case on GB and their some correct meta about GB as scum sheep it to end of the day!
what happened to your strong belief in shockkey case and the bf case?
On June 19 2015 04:39 ritoky wrote: choppa 4 wants to vote on migs or LS.
one of my town reads try to talk me into doing something else if you want.
why don't you consider voting someone who has an actual chance of getting lynched today?
We have like 3 hours, pretty unlikely Mig will get lynched and I don't see any good reasons to lynch him today. LS you can try to lynch him but he's not gonna flip red, I can pretty much guarantee you that at this point.
At this point the choice is pretty clear, if you think GB is town then explain to me what makes him town, otherwise vote him. Same goes for BF I guess. While I doubt you can convince me I am always open to new revelations.
On June 18 2015 16:57 ritoky wrote: well everyone who wanted to find scum together kinda peaced out while i was gone. guess it is on me...or i could just get rid of LS.
but anywayz i went and looked at mig's filter cuz i don't know the fuck why, i just did. and this post stood out to me.
I didn't really read his filter when I defended him honestly. I only really read his filter when Mig brought up Boxer's stuff regarding timing and failing to do promised stuff.
As terrible as this is, this actually makes me think LS is more likely to be town haha. Mafia usually arent brazen enough to come out and admit shit like this.
my imaginary awake person? hey choppa 4, why did that shit stand out to you?
yo that's a great question brochacho. because it seems like an unusual and weak reason to turn a read on a dime over. prior to this mig thought that LS was being scummy and there wasn't much of a reason to believe his claim or town read him. here he goes into great depth about it:
On June 18 2015 06:25 Mig wrote: Regarding LS, why are people instantly believing his claim? What exactly has LS done to show he is town other than the claim?
Starts off with the instant attacking onegu for claiming vt, struck me as trying to make a big deal out of completely nothing. People claim VT all the time.
Follows it up with buddying up to bugs just non stop, completely plausible thing for a fishy mafia to try and buddy up to the guy who caught him last game.
When asked for his scum reads he is incredibly wishy washy + Show Spoiler +
On June 18 2015 02:13 LightningStrike wrote:
It's only a weak scumread right now and would like to talk to him more when he gets backs so I can confirm my read plus have others give me their thoughts and see if align with my own thoughts. Also I did have a somewhat recent game as town when I didn't have a scumread for the first 48 hours so therefore you logic isn't exactly a scum tell The game that I didn't have a scumread for the first 48 hours was Games of Thrones Mini recently if you want to check it out.
And ends up saying he decided to vote for shockey because other people were on him (easy way to deflect blame if shockey flips town).
Even his motto for handling rsoul is a straight copy from GB + Show Spoiler +
On June 18 2015 02:43 LightningStrike wrote: Also the best rule on rsoultin is that if she gets to LYLO you just lynch her because she is more likely scum when she hits LYLO from her recent games.
LS do you actually have any original thoughts? Who besides shockey do you think is likely to be scum?
On June 18 2015 06:25 Mig wrote: Regarding LS, why are people instantly believing his claim? What exactly has LS done to show he is town other than the claim?
Starts off with the instant attacking onegu for claiming vt, struck me as trying to make a big deal out of completely nothing. People claim VT all the time.
Follows it up with buddying up to bugs just non stop, completely plausible thing for a fishy mafia to try and buddy up to the guy who caught him last game.
When asked for his scum reads he is incredibly wishy washy + Show Spoiler +
On June 18 2015 02:13 LightningStrike wrote:
It's only a weak scumread right now and would like to talk to him more when he gets backs so I can confirm my read plus have others give me their thoughts and see if align with my own thoughts. Also I did have a somewhat recent game as town when I didn't have a scumread for the first 48 hours so therefore you logic isn't exactly a scum tell The game that I didn't have a scumread for the first 48 hours was Games of Thrones Mini recently if you want to check it out.
And ends up saying he decided to vote for shockey because other people were on him (easy way to deflect blame if shockey flips town).
Even his motto for handling rsoul is a straight copy from GB + Show Spoiler +
On June 18 2015 02:43 LightningStrike wrote: Also the best rule on rsoultin is that if she gets to LYLO you just lynch her because she is more likely scum when she hits LYLO from her recent games.
LS do you actually have any original thoughts? Who besides shockey do you think is likely to be scum?
ehhhh mostly just that he has this annoying habit (the same thing onegu was talking about, as we've both explained to him why it's bad ><) of claiming at the first sign of pressure
to the point of ridiculousness (i.e. with hardly any or very few votes on him)
he did this d1 in greymist's last massive themed game just because hf and i were expressing suspicions. 2 people in a game of nearly 30 with no votes on him
i don't think i've seen him do it as scum? and i'm already townreading him for tone/meta reasons...he usually doesn't push much of anything as scum, for one...even though he knows this i kinda agree with damdy that ls seems to have a hard time (or lack motivation) to fix even the smallest things in his mafia game
I find it pretty suspect to just believe his claim because he hasn't done it as scum yet. I mean it is going to happen eventually right? Is LS just going to play for the rest of his life always claiming whenever he is a town blue? Pretty convenient that his claim happens to be a named VT also, the one blue claim he can make where he doesnt have to do anything.
Regarding pushing people, is he really pushing shockey at all? It seems more like parroting other people to me.
Tone stuff I can't really argue with, I need to read his other games.
to summarize, mig thought in regards to LS that: 1) there's no reason to instantly believe his blue claim 2) that his onegu interaction was manufactured 3) that he was buddying people 4) that he gives non-committal reads 5) follows thread sentiment onto shockkey and doesn't believe he is mafia 6) copies most of his material from other players 7) discredits all meta arguments about him doing this as town prior.
those are 7 points as to why mig thinks LS isn't town and his claim shouldn't be believed. outside of his read on GB, LS is the player he has focused on the most, yet he completely 180s the read over 1 dumb tell. someone who put enough time, research, and filter diving into making posts structured and researched in the manner you have....you really want me to believe that 1 dumb tell invalidated 7 points? i am not buying what this guy is selling here. he could very well be mafia.
there's migs' reason.
LS's reason is the entire thread.
I already said why BF can be town and I already said why GB can be town, I feel no particularly strong convictions toward either. I feel much stronger that migs is mafia and the LS will lose the game for town.
I started reading WBS as town with his post about bf. He then raised some interesting points about you and summarised points of your play accurately You then made a very weak case on breshke which was actually bad enough for you to be mafia and then you also attempted to discredit and misrepresent WBG afterwards. Add on the posts linked by VA and Shockey from previous games when you all caps
for the initial case you have to read bugs
That's not really a compelling case. Maybe the compelling part is in the summarizing of play accurately?
GB makes weak ass cases all the time as both alignments. He calls way more people mafia than could actually be mafia, and he types in caps as both alignments. If anything is mafia indicative about him it is that he went into OMGUS people voting on me = mafia mode at some point; and I didn't feel he was incredibly sold on the BF lynch prior to the change in gears. Although maybe my memory is foggy on that.
On June 19 2015 01:35 GlowingBear wrote: My wording is TERRIBLE in my latest post
Tell me if you can understand. In case you can't, I will rewrite it
lynching low activity is better than someone scummy. because if scum has a high activity they will give themselves away at some point whereas low activity is always a question.
that right?
Exactly!!!
or, you know, the fact that this is a retarded opinion if you are town and actually incredibly indicative that you are scum
Let's break it down. From a GB=town perspective first: it's not at all helpful because you eliminate entire possibilities when scumhunting and you invite scum to be more active by saying, "oh if you're more active we won't lynch you!" Townies, on the other hand, are not going to give a shit because they will continue to play like they will play and they could honestly not give a fuck what a player like you thinks. Indeed this is one of the biggest problems with using surface-level things like activity to attempt to scum hunt because you end up shooting yourself in the foot. You maybe catch the low activity scum if you are lucky or manage to use other clues to find them but it is incredibly rare that you can nail an entire team or even a significant portion of a team that way. It certainly wouldn't have worked in the game we played in together where you were scum, where all 3 scum members were active (AND YOU SHOULD FUCKING KNOW THAT IF YOU ARE TOWN) whereas town almost mislynched into some dude that was going to get modkilled anyway, and all the other lynch candidates would obviously not have flipped town like Shockey and Shining and Tubesock and whoever else was in that game and was scummy.
So, if you are town in this game GB you should stop pushing anti town things and pushing like 7 different people with no reasons.
On the other hand if you imagine this from a GB=scum perspective this is actually really great for GB scum to say this. If GB scum says we're only lynching inactives, it's easy to get town support because no one likes inactives. Reading active people is hard so it's really easy to fake scum reads on inactive players. Indeed this fits best with GB's style this game because he asserts he is "reaction fishing" when in reality this is just a thin veil to look for town sentiment. Similarly in the previous game where he was scum, GB was more than willing to let LS, his scum teammate, live on day 1 but instead he wanted to push someone like Stutters who wasn't doing shit.
Why else would he ask me whether I would lynch VA randomly yet offer none of his own thought process? This in particular is very scummy because he was the one that prodded me for not providing opinions, yet when I do he offers absolutely nothing in return! At no point did GB actually make any sort of reasonable attempt to work with me despite claiming to want to do so. Indeed, he actually undermines what I am doing by saying that I am not attempting to get town to consolidate yet being the biggest offender by far of the very things he is accusing others of doing. Lastly, the whole "we're not going to lynch actives" thing is great for his scum style because as he proved in the last game, he is a very active scum player. When pushing the idea that we shouldn't lynch active players because it's a bad idea, he's masking his own style as scum because he himself is an active scum player. It's merely a stone that he is using to knock out multiple birds at once-it's a play in his own self interest in multiple ways.
That coupled with his complete lack of reads and reasons this game pretty much confirms he is scum.
I started reading WBS as town with his post about bf. He then raised some interesting points about you and summarised points of your play accurately You then made a very weak case on breshke which was actually bad enough for you to be mafia and then you also attempted to discredit and misrepresent WBG afterwards. Add on the posts linked by VA and Shockey from previous games when you all caps
for the initial case you have to read bugs
That's not really a compelling case. Maybe the compelling part is in the summarizing of play accurately?
GB makes weak ass cases all the time as both alignments. He calls way more people mafia than could actually be mafia, and he types in caps as both alignments. If anything is mafia indicative about him it is that he went into OMGUS people voting on me = mafia mode at some point; and I didn't feel he was incredibly sold on the BF lynch prior to the change in gears. Although maybe my memory is foggy on that.
yeh I suppose that is a fair point, I remember imperial when he made a lot of dumb cases then...
I don't know , I liked bugs case a lot and i felt he was really misrepresenting him with that lurker bullshit.
LS lynch might still be real if GB is actually town
I'm fighting this temptation of lynching LS since he has a big filter, but oh boy, that vote on me was bad.
Honestly lightning feels fucking fake as fuck to me in terms of tone and I feel like he's not angry after getting outed as pr and isn't really trying hard. W/e
then why are you scum reading me and onegu for wanting to lynch him?
On June 19 2015 01:35 GlowingBear wrote: My wording is TERRIBLE in my latest post
Tell me if you can understand. In case you can't, I will rewrite it
lynching low activity is better than someone scummy. because if scum has a high activity they will give themselves away at some point whereas low activity is always a question.
that right?
Exactly!!!
or, you know, the fact that this is a retarded opinion if you are town and actually incredibly indicative that you are scum
Let's break it down. From a GB=town perspective first: it's not at all helpful because you eliminate entire possibilities when scumhunting and you invite scum to be more active by saying, "oh if you're more active we won't lynch you!" Townies, on the other hand, are not going to give a shit because they will continue to play like they will play and they could honestly not give a fuck what a player like you thinks. Indeed this is one of the biggest problems with using surface-level things like activity to attempt to scum hunt because you end up shooting yourself in the foot. You maybe catch the low activity scum if you are lucky or manage to use other clues to find them but it is incredibly rare that you can nail an entire team or even a significant portion of a team that way. It certainly wouldn't have worked in the game we played in together where you were scum, where all 3 scum members were active (AND YOU SHOULD FUCKING KNOW THAT IF YOU ARE TOWN) whereas town almost mislynched into some dude that was going to get modkilled anyway, and all the other lynch candidates would obviously not have flipped town like Shockey and Shining and Tubesock and whoever else was in that game and was scummy.
So, if you are town in this game GB you should stop pushing anti town things and pushing like 7 different people with no reasons.
On the other hand if you imagine this from a GB=scum perspective this is actually really great for GB scum to say this. If GB scum says we're only lynching inactives, it's easy to get town support because no one likes inactives. Reading active people is hard so it's really easy to fake scum reads on inactive players. Indeed this fits best with GB's style this game because he asserts he is "reaction fishing" when in reality this is just a thin veil to look for town sentiment. Similarly in the previous game where he was scum, GB was more than willing to let LS, his scum teammate, live on day 1 but instead he wanted to push someone like Stutters who wasn't doing shit.
Why else would he ask me whether I would lynch VA randomly yet offer none of his own thought process? This in particular is very scummy because he was the one that prodded me for not providing opinions, yet when I do he offers absolutely nothing in return! At no point did GB actually make any sort of reasonable attempt to work with me despite claiming to want to do so. Indeed, he actually undermines what I am doing by saying that I am not attempting to get town to consolidate yet being the biggest offender by far of the very things he is accusing others of doing. Lastly, the whole "we're not going to lynch actives" thing is great for his scum style because as he proved in the last game, he is a very active scum player. When pushing the idea that we shouldn't lynch active players because it's a bad idea, he's masking his own style as scum because he himself is an active scum player. It's merely a stone that he is using to knock out multiple birds at once-it's a play in his own self interest in multiple ways.
That coupled with his complete lack of reads and reasons this game pretty much confirms he is scum.
On June 19 2015 02:09 NydusHerMain wrote: I want to swap this to a bw on onegu but at the same time I'm okay with a bf lynch.
@bugs what's there not to get about what gb said? He's uneasy despite being one of the voters because it's got so many people voting on it whereas no one else is really up for vote consideration in comparison.
Gonna throw this out there and see if it sticks.
##Vote: onegu
If not, I'm fine with bf regardless.
what doesn't make sense is the fact that he is uneasy about the lack of consolidation yet he does exactly what he claims is making him uneasy. He doesn't attempt to consolidate and instead his reads are constantly changing and he's adding new people he thinks are scum all the time.
e.g. why would he bother to say that he's going to write up a case on breshke? I feel if that actually gets posted it's going to derail the thread even further rather than give us any further indication on who is scum. Given that his vote is on BF I would expect him to try to convince the rest of us to consolidate on BF, because that's what he says he expects other people to be doing-consolidating.
It's also nearly impossible to know what he thinks because he refuses to work to flesh out reads despite claiming that it is what he wanted to do with me. He asked me maybe 2-3 one liner questions that ended up going nowhere because when I responded to him he gave nothing in return. That's quite odd for someone who claimed that collaboration is important in getting together a strong town day 1.
If he unvotes BF and ends up voting someone else this will pretty much prove what I'm talking about. He might OMGUS me or maybe he'll go through with his statement on Breshke but even now it doesn't appear that he was genuine about his talk about consolidation and about his talk about collaboration.
eh. to me that just read like a lot of "i don't like the way this guy plays". his first thing is just disagreeing with the policy of lynching inactives day 1 and i don't buy his scum motivation he is selling. then he talks about GB being all over the place and intentionally fracturing the thread. he is all over the place always?
let me try on what HF quoted and see if i like that better.
On June 19 2015 04:39 ritoky wrote: choppa 4 wants to vote on migs or LS.
one of my town reads try to talk me into doing something else if you want.
can you be tempted by a cheeky GB vote?
he isn't overwhelmingly town to me, so if you had solid reasoning, lay it on me. not in huge post form, condensed form.
i did that in response to him
On June 19 2015 04:37 KelsierSC wrote:
On June 19 2015 04:34 GlowingBear wrote: Ok, let's try it in another way. KelsierSC, VayneAuthority, LightningStrike, Holyflare:
Tell me exactly WHY are you voting me.
I started reading WBS as town with his post about bf. He then raised some interesting points about you and summarised points of your play accurately You then made a very weak case on breshke which was actually bad enough for you to be mafia and then you also attempted to discredit and misrepresent WBG afterwards. Add on the posts linked by VA and Shockey from previous games when you all caps
for the initial case you have to read bugs
That's not really a compelling case. Maybe the compelling part is in the summarizing of play accurately?
GB makes weak ass cases all the time as both alignments. He calls way more people mafia than could actually be mafia, and he types in caps as both alignments. If anything is mafia indicative about him it is that he went into OMGUS people voting on me = mafia mode at some point; and I didn't feel he was incredibly sold on the BF lynch prior to the change in gears. Although maybe my memory is foggy on that.
yeh I suppose that is a fair point, I remember imperial when he made a lot of dumb cases then...
I don't know , I liked bugs case a lot and i felt he was really misrepresenting him with that lurker bullshit.
LS lynch might still be real if GB is actually town
I'm fighting this temptation of lynching LS since he has a big filter, but oh boy, that vote on me was bad.
Honestly lightning feels fucking fake as fuck to me in terms of tone and I feel like he's not angry after getting outed as pr and isn't really trying hard. W/e
then why are you scum reading me and onegu for wanting to lynch him?
Until alignments flip I don't know the team. These are individual scum reads. I don't think you two are scum for wanting to lynch lightning I think you two are scum because your play is a lot more passive this game and onegu is going try hard
don't care about the read on me, but onegu has a shadow this game, might explain his increased effort level.
On June 19 2015 05:37 GlowingBear wrote: Argh, I can't read anymore, information isn't getting through my head.
I've defended myself as I could. If you have any questions, feel free to ask and I'll answer them as much as I can.
If you're open to see me from a town persperctive, take a look at the 5 questions I've brought on my filter. You will definetly realise it makes more sense of a play coming from town than from a mafia.
Are all the mafia on your wagon? If you had to pick 1 person as mafia who is not on your wagon right now, who would it be?
On June 19 2015 05:37 GlowingBear wrote: Argh, I can't read anymore, information isn't getting through my head.
I've defended myself as I could. If you have any questions, feel free to ask and I'll answer them as much as I can.
If you're open to see me from a town persperctive, take a look at the 5 questions I've brought on my filter. You will definetly realise it makes more sense of a play coming from town than from a mafia.
Are all the mafia on your wagon? If you had to pick 1 person as mafia who is not on your wagon right now, who would it be?
On June 19 2015 05:46 Lohengramm wrote: I tentatively dislike lynching GB but I'm only on p6 of his filter.
It reads tonally carefree.
so much this
if wbg doesn't give me a breakdown of his points i'm just going to ignore this wagon on gb entirely, because i'm halfway through it and i don't see gb posting this way as scum, in all honesty
On June 19 2015 03:09 wherebugsgo wrote: actually rsoultin, Mig, Breshke and HF I want to read your opinions on GB too. Maybe at least one of you will respond so I have something to work with. We have like 5 hours and I don't want to lynch either BF or LS today
Quite clearly stated i scum read him and the reasons why. Will be back in about an hour to talk about stuff.
+gb where did i ever say the mafia team was all lurkers other than a sarcastic jab at you a while ago?
care to jog my memory? I recall you posting something pointing out the consolidation thing but you can pretend I'm a goldfish for the purposes of this exercise. I just want to know that you have real opinions I can trust.
But of course if you don't wanna play we can have it your way
Well it's on my last page of filter? Pretty much pushed gb all last night. Summary is:
Hypocritical outlook on the game between you and himself Sheeps me while expressing disdain for the sheep (game of thrones meta same) Reads + questions that don't get followed up, aka va stuff etc (scum read on me completely vanished too) Started to afk and not do shit Got called out by me and still didn't do shit apart from asking me useless questions Said boxerfed read was shit, stayed on wagon anyway because of his read on boxerfreds first post???? Randomly nitpicked ls for no reason and then gave him a town pass for stuff that ls had already done before the nitpicking Says game is bad because no consolidation but just flat out refuses to even read cases on scummy people did no scum hunting while complaining about no consolidation Lurker cop out reasoning Misrepresents you and breshke hardcore Fake rage (game of thrones meta same)
Probably shit tonne more that i forgot but this is top of my head
i tried to read bugs and it was very unconvincing.
On June 19 2015 05:54 Mig wrote: I am on my phone, but got caught up
Ritoky - Guess what I dont know everyones alignment, if someone says something that looks townie to me I will say it. I didnt say that post made LS town but it made me reconsider the possibility of it. Explain to me how exactly this makes me mafia.
GB- are you voting BF because you think there is a good chance he flips scum or just to save yourself?
If the caps lock stuck isnt AI can you post an example of you doing it as town? I cant look through past games atm.
I have no experience playing with you. Your posts and reads indicated you are someone convinced by logic and cases. You only interacted with a limited number of players and focused the majority of your time on 2; 1 being LS. You made a 7 point case against him that felt very sound then overturned it quickly for reasons contrary to those you had provided when giving reads (a dumb tell). It felt like following thread sentiment and a complete disconnect from your prior play. If it makes no sense and you're disengaged from the game, you very well could be mafia.
Also the fact that people just straight didn't comment on the case or basically said "I'll deal with it later" and moved on rubs me the wrong way. They are soft defending you and I don't think there's a particularly legitimate reason why.
I just want to say that regardless of who gets lynched here, if you're the cop and you don't investigate the other guy tonight....I am going to punch you in the genitalia.
On June 19 2015 06:03 Mig wrote: If I was just trying to follow thread sentiment why did I post against LS at all, why was I the first person to post calling out GB? I give my thoughts on what I see and who I think is scum. And in my experience people who are weak mafia/lurker mafia arent usually really brazen. Look at my previous game that just happened, I defended fuba for the exact same reason.
If you were calling out GB, then why aren't you voting on him now?
i now have a bizarre read where bugs and shcokkey are mafia together cuz bug prompted shockkey for a response out of nowhere after shockkey had been gone for a long time and then shockkey showed up and responded and shit shortly after and i don't rly care for that vote.
On June 19 2015 06:42 GlowingBear wrote: Yeah, I'm going against Shockey
hmm...i thought you had bf as a main scum read though
Ugh I don't know this is super fucking weird.
And he still hasn't fucking answered me? Don't you see? This is why I switched. I just posted it out flat for you and him to see why I switched my vote. It just drives me mad when a player can easily avoid me voting them by just answering my question. My read on GB was null as you can see... After he went off with his rage posts, I brought it up that he played just like that in the previous game where he was scum and a smurf... Now how is that weird that I vote for him?
I sorry about thinking you are scum but now I thinking you're town bro after these last like 30 mins I think I found the light that you are more likely town than scum.
bugs and shockeyy are mafia together. will say it again. LS's crap read flop on shockeyy makes me want to lynch him again. don't know why we didn't in the first place.
hf is probably town regardless of gb's alignment. doctor protect him, and not me this time.
damdred wifom me this, had you been here would your vote have stood?
it DOES matter because the best chance for us to hit scum tomorrow is to lynch into the boxerfred voting list.
Since we're around now why don't you give me your #1 scumread?
no
i'm going to eat then review the game again
though i agree scum was probably on both wagons, for what it's worth
if I don't get something prior to the silence period I'm going to assume you are scum with GB
...you do realize that threatening me is likely to achieve the opposite of the intended effect
i'll play the game the way i damn well please, and that includes trusting MY READS over yours, and taking the time to make those reads instead of adhering to your timetable
this behavior is not as helpful to town as you seem to thing it is
yes, cause trusting your read on BF has really worked out well for you so far.
That mentality again makes no sense if you are town because you've already been proven to be dead wrong
lol god you're annoying
you're acting like i was balls to the wall bf is scum
i was balls to the wall gb is town
if you can't understand that i don't know how to make it any clearer
i really am going to just ignore you if you can't manage rationality and civility...i don't need to talk to you to get reads or play the game
i've been nice
YOU failed to convince me gb is scum. YOUR points were weak. YOU have some of the responsibility as well...and especially if gb is town as i believe he is YOU should be reevaluating your reads just as much as the rest of us
no, the onus is not on me to reevaluate anything given that there is no evidence that GB is town. The onus is on YOU because you were proven to be wrong about at least one player.
I will reevaluate, based on who pushed boxerfred because I actually want to win this game, unlike you, who are only interested in passing blame around.
BTW how would you explain why GB is so certain there are 4 mafia in this game if he is not scum?
it's true that about 20% of the player base is usually scum? i guess it could be a scum slip but how often does that actually happen? lol
it's happened in one of my first games here, a long time ago, like 3-4 years.
Don't remember the exact details but the dude slipped in a closed setup with 24ish people that the scum KP had to be 2 because # KP = mafia / 2 or something like that, and the third KP had to be from a vig or SK. No idea why he said it but he ended up flipping scum.
honestly ritoky scumslipped....i think it was ritoky?...in carol, so i do know that it happens. however i've seen plenty of people estimate the number of scum and even do it correctly as town (experience with the game makes it easy to guess) so i don't really think it means anything
anyway
in my own time
though probably tonight cause i won't have time after class tomorrow
thank you for toning it down to a discussion. i respond to that much better
in 1 game i claimed to have been notified of an rb, when in the rules it said no notifications for rb; don't remember which
On June 19 2015 08:42 Breshke wrote: LS I think it would be useful if you talked through the logic of unclaiming blue there
I also want you to hardclaim that you are VT. No going back on this.
I am VT this game and I unclaimed because everyone questioned my claim I didn't really expect to much on and decided enough was enough. I prob just replace out because I just can't play this game as last Friday a friend of mine from High School died in a Car Accident and I only found out after I signed up. I thought that I can play but then with the shit happening this game I can't play it anymore and will commit Sudoku.
I mean no offense to you or your situation personally; that sucks and I am sorry. However, that does not excuse your play and I am lynching your slot without question unless a vigi shoots you first regardless of if you sub out or not.
On June 19 2015 08:41 ritoky wrote: bugs/shockeyy/LS; ship it.
I don't know about bugs but the other two yeh i think so
bugs prompted shockeyy after he had been gone for hours, shockeyy shortly responded. sounds like someone knew he was here from a QT
this is such a huge stretch that it's ridiculous
if we were scum together and I knew he were there why would I make it so obvious. I'm not that retarded as scum, I would just PM him or tell him in the QT to post because I wouldn't want to out myself because one of my stupid scummy teammates isn't bothering to post
On June 19 2015 08:42 Breshke wrote: LS I think it would be useful if you talked through the logic of unclaiming blue there
I also want you to hardclaim that you are VT. No going back on this.
I am VT this game and I unclaimed because everyone questioned my claim I didn't really expect to much on and decided enough was enough. I prob just replace out because I just can't play this game as last Friday a friend of mine from High School died in a Car Accident and I only found out after I signed up. I thought that I can play but then with the shit happening this game I can't play it anymore and will commit Sudoku.
I mean no offense to you or your situation personally; that sucks and I am sorry. However, that does not excuse your play and I am lynching your slot without question unless a vigi shoots you first regardless of if you sub out or not.
Are you willing to play against your win conditions?
Why are you fishing for modkills? You're BY FAR the most anti-town player in the game and towns victory. The ONLY reason you weren't lynched yesterday is your claim. It is invalid, so now the possibility of an anti-town blue is gone. You are scum. Die.
On June 19 2015 08:41 ritoky wrote: bugs/shockeyy/LS; ship it.
I don't know about bugs but the other two yeh i think so
bugs prompted shockeyy after he had been gone for hours, shockeyy shortly responded. sounds like someone knew he was here from a QT
this is such a huge stretch that it's ridiculous
if we were scum together and I knew he were there why would I make it so obvious. I'm not that retarded as scum, I would just PM him or tell him in the QT to post because I wouldn't want to out myself because one of my stupid scummy teammates isn't bothering to post
i think you're exactly that retarded
whatever you say trollbro
you should perhaps not try to apply your own level of scum play to everyone else and perhaps use Occam's razor so you don't end up sounding so stupid
Sorry brochacho, but i have one of the highest winrates as scum on these forums. good try
On June 19 2015 08:42 Breshke wrote: LS I think it would be useful if you talked through the logic of unclaiming blue there
I also want you to hardclaim that you are VT. No going back on this.
I am VT this game and I unclaimed because everyone questioned my claim I didn't really expect to much on and decided enough was enough. I prob just replace out because I just can't play this game as last Friday a friend of mine from High School died in a Car Accident and I only found out after I signed up. I thought that I can play but then with the shit happening this game I can't play it anymore and will commit Sudoku.
I mean no offense to you or your situation personally; that sucks and I am sorry. However, that does not excuse your play and I am lynching your slot without question unless a vigi shoots you first regardless of if you sub out or not.
Are you willing to play against your win conditions?
Why are you fishing for modkills? You're BY FAR the most anti-town player in the game and towns victory. The ONLY reason you weren't lynched yesterday is your claim. It is invalid, so now the possibility of an anti-town blue is gone. You are scum. Die.
On June 19 2015 08:42 Breshke wrote: LS I think it would be useful if you talked through the logic of unclaiming blue there
I also want you to hardclaim that you are VT. No going back on this.
I am VT this game and I unclaimed because everyone questioned my claim I didn't really expect to much on and decided enough was enough. I prob just replace out because I just can't play this game as last Friday a friend of mine from High School died in a Car Accident and I only found out after I signed up. I thought that I can play but then with the shit happening this game I can't play it anymore and will commit Sudoku.
I mean no offense to you or your situation personally; that sucks and I am sorry. However, that does not excuse your play and I am lynching your slot without question unless a vigi shoots you first regardless of if you sub out or not.
Are you willing to play against your win conditions?
Why are you fishing for modkills? You're BY FAR the most anti-town player in the game and towns victory. The ONLY reason you weren't lynched yesterday is your claim. It is invalid, so now the possibility of an anti-town blue is gone. You are scum. Die.
FUCK OFF
k, i won't post until my vote at the start of the day.
On June 19 2015 08:41 ritoky wrote: bugs/shockeyy/LS; ship it.
I don't know about bugs but the other two yeh i think so
bugs prompted shockeyy after he had been gone for hours, shockeyy shortly responded. sounds like someone knew he was here from a QT
this is such a huge stretch that it's ridiculous
if we were scum together and I knew he were there why would I make it so obvious. I'm not that retarded as scum, I would just PM him or tell him in the QT to post because I wouldn't want to out myself because one of my stupid scummy teammates isn't bothering to post
i think you're exactly that retarded
whatever you say trollbro
you should perhaps not try to apply your own level of scum play to everyone else and perhaps use Occam's razor so you don't end up sounding so stupid
Sorry brochacho, but i have one of the highest winrates as scum on these forums. good try
ah, yes, the trap that results matter. You've been lynched 3 times out of 4 and someone even said you claimed RB in a game with no notifications.
On June 19 2015 08:41 ritoky wrote: bugs/shockeyy/LS; ship it.
I don't know about bugs but the other two yeh i think so
bugs prompted shockeyy after he had been gone for hours, shockeyy shortly responded. sounds like someone knew he was here from a QT
this is such a huge stretch that it's ridiculous
if we were scum together and I knew he were there why would I make it so obvious. I'm not that retarded as scum, I would just PM him or tell him in the QT to post because I wouldn't want to out myself because one of my stupid scummy teammates isn't bothering to post
i think you're exactly that retarded
whatever you say trollbro
you should perhaps not try to apply your own level of scum play to everyone else and perhaps use Occam's razor so you don't end up sounding so stupid
Sorry brochacho, but i have one of the highest winrates as scum on these forums. good try
ah, yes, the trap that results matter. You've been lynched 3 times out of 4 and someone even said you claimed RB in a game with no notifications.
I'll hedge my bet that you are just an idiot.
won 7 out of 8 yawn get on my level.
nice lie bro, you have 4 scum games in the DB and you got lynched 3 times.
Doesn't matter if your teammates carried you despite you claiming RB in a no notifications game.
Yo, LS I calmed down a bit while cooking dinner. I am sorry if me brow beating you turned you off from playing, had no intention of doing that. I think it is the sub-par play thus far combined with an agitator in the thread (who is getting a rise out of me and rsoul who are usually pretty nice) that drove me to just keep hammering you. I kinda realized something though. Way back when I started playing on another forum I did a whole fake claim shennanigans, rescind claim lulz stuff and some1 went absolutely apeshit on me and I was town and it was just bad all around. I kinda ended up being that guy and not being capable of imagining a world in which this comes from town.
So I am gonna try and just wash this whole claim business out of my brain (no promises) and evaluate your play not centered around it. So far from what I have gone through in your filter, I still have you leaning scum (particularly cuz of the shockeyy read flip thing too); but I won't just auto vote and ignore you. Please give reads before the end of the night so I can keep evaluating you with as open of a mind as I can.
On June 20 2015 07:20 ritoky wrote: cool apparently working for 12 hours and sleeping for 8 dissuaded people from shooting me n1 again.
Hey check my reads list and tell me your thoughts on it please/.
i don't understand how you have your damdred read and it seems made up or for bad reasons to me.
you also have hf as scum. hf didn't die n1. make a case.
Prob just bad reasons I also have a soft spot for him. I also not known as a good case maker but if he doesn't die by N3 I will def make a case on him because by then he shouldn't even be alive by reputation.
why not just try and make one now? he is scum to you. prove he is scum so i can understand it and lynch scum.
On June 20 2015 07:28 ritoky wrote: am actually really surprised i didn't die last night. figured some1 would take my choppa 4 spamming as role softing even though it was just a joke.
It prob be the funniest role soft ever XD Prob the same way of how Slam bread crumbed Cop in Titanic vs you lol.
naw, the best role soft was me as uther in hearthstone how i capitalized the first line of my first few posts to spell out Well Met
On June 20 2015 07:20 ritoky wrote: cool apparently working for 12 hours and sleeping for 8 dissuaded people from shooting me n1 again.
Hey check my reads list and tell me your thoughts on it please/.
i don't understand how you have your damdred read and it seems made up or for bad reasons to me.
you also have hf as scum. hf didn't die n1. make a case.
Prob just bad reasons I also have a soft spot for him. I also not known as a good case maker but if he doesn't die by N3 I will def make a case on him because by then he shouldn't even be alive by reputation.
why not just try and make one now? he is scum to you. prove he is scum so i can understand it and lynch scum.
Tbh I do think he's town but however if I wrong any townreads he's one of them he's a good scum player and prob make a case when it's more clear he's scum.
so why put him on the scum end of your reads instead of the null? that doesn't make a whole lot of sense.
On June 20 2015 08:19 ruXxar wrote: Some controversy seems to be surround LS. I also got suspicious of him wanting people to read his his thoughts on another website.
Here's my analysis of him:
----------------------------------- Pro town:
Active. Carefree.
Composes an early reads list Reads on gwb and rsoultin with reasons Goes through the effort of reading filters from another game. Makes some Observations on GB Puts together a solid reads list
----------------------------------- Pro mafia:
Votes shockey without reason Sheeps GWB and votes for GB -----------------------------------
Conclusion :
Long filter, a lot of it is fluff.
Active. Not timid or afraid to express himself. Calm and collected, does not seem to be pushing any agenda. Has some okay reads, but not as many as I'd like to see compared to his filter length.
I get a town vibe off LS.
town lean
You didn't say you were ignoring him fake claiming a blue role under very light pressure and then unclaiming it. So that didn't stand out to you as relevant? That also doesn't seem "calm or collected"....Voting shockeyy without reason? He was LS's primary scum read for the majority of the day, then when shockeyy actually started to accrue votes he refused to vote on him and flipped his read over a post I read as scummy. Also, non-specific list posts aren't town indicative of anyone....this is....he is new....could this just be bad play?
On June 20 2015 08:50 ritoky wrote: You didn't say you were ignoring him fake claiming a blue role under very light pressure and then unclaiming it. So that didn't stand out to you as relevant? That also doesn't seem "calm or collected"....Voting shockeyy without reason? He was LS's primary scum read for the majority of the day, then when shockeyy actually started to accrue votes he refused to vote on him and flipped his read over a post I read as scummy. Also, non-specific list posts aren't town indicative of anyone....this is....he is new....could this just be bad play?
Read from the LS' filter a lot of information is lost when posts are standalone without quotes encapsulating the context.
Also the calm and collected comment was in relation to the other filters I've read so far, particularly GB's. GB's filter is like opening the hose on raw emotion, compared to LS' more shielded and emotionally controlled filter.
I didnt notice the blue claim before onegu mentioned it, I'll have to go back and read the situation in context to get a better understanding.
literally 70 pages of this game is about that claim
like who gives a shit about VA right now, why aren't we lynching shockeyy?
he was near the top of my lynch list, and almost everyone else's, and do you wanna see his 1 night time contribution:
On June 20 2015 01:23 ShoCkeyy wrote: Just wanted to throw this out there, GB you've been saying I'm scum since the beginning in like in every game we have played together, you constantly attack me just cause. You don't even have a real reason as to why I am scum this game, you just say I am.
Now I want you to think about the logic behind my vote switch. You say that the game is based on the biggest filter which I repeatedly asked you to give me a good explanation here and quite multiple times.
On June 19 2015 09:40 Fidei86 wrote: WBG, I'm going to hit you with some LOGIC right now.
If you're town, some of the people who are disagreeing with you KNOW you're wrong/right (because they're mafia!) and therefore their responses to your thoughts may well make no sense. The people you DO want to work with you (ie the town) are probably not going to appreciate being called dullards, so you just lost influence with them.
Obviously if you're mafia then w/e.
In summary - if you're town, don't say shit like that. Otherwise, people might start thinking you're mafia.
I honestly don't care if some people think I am mafia. If they are town and they want to think that they are in some bizarro world they can, but they aren't doing themselves or the rest of the team any favours in doing so.
Right now I'm pretty annoyed with the game given that I basically posted constantly and gave the best effort I could possibly give to get GB lynched and yet we lost at the end because of people like Shockeyy and Onegu who did absolutely nothing all game and yet had the greatest influence over the lynch in the end.
The best part about all of this is that we have people like rsoultin who are fairly likely to be town at the end of it all complaining about the thread being hard or too long to read when they have the largest filters in the game, and yet having literally 0 scumreads over a space of 48 hours.
while i work with the more than 0 scumreads i already gave you almighty amazing reader misrepresenting me so awesomely right now, do you mind attempting to reapproach the game from the perspective that you might actually be mistaken on gb, or is that a futile request for me to make, even as a hypothetical exercise?
I already did that and the game actually doesn't make sense from that perspective
why the fuck would multiple people hammer BF right at the end with no explanation whatsoever if there were two townies up for lynch? The case on GB was far stronger than the one on BF and pretty much the only person that disagreed with that was you. In fact, even some people who supposedly agreed with the GB case, e.g. Shockeyy and Mig voted BF instead of GB, while our troll friend ritoky over here ended up kindly wasting his vote completely.
I want to give yamato the benefit of the doubt that he legitimately just forgot to vote or whatever but that lack of vote is also really damning for him given that he also found GB scummy prior to the lynch. Whatever though, I hate replacements and given his posting style and comments this game he's probably not scum anyway.
You will ALWAYS be able to build bigger and more comprehensive cases on people that have 10x the pages of a second scum read.
You're basically saying I'm Mafia with Shockey and Onegu out of bad unflipped association
I need you to realize, I had the voting power to either lynch you or BF. I lynched BF because I based my response out of your stupid thought of having the biggest filter to not lynch D1 and his slight scum posts but what happened? We lynched a town, if you were pro town, why did you switch to me, the "new" lynch train? Why didn't you just stay on LS or switch to BF from the get go? Why were you second guessing who to vote? As soon as I voted you, you instantly switched to me, then I switch off you switched off.
On June 19 2015 09:27 Fidei86 wrote: WOWWW that last post of mine was crap. I should probably persevere and actually try and finish the filter dive. BRB.
THIS post was crap. Why are you second guessing your own posts and posting this to tell us you're going to keep filter diving?
Because you already have the biggest filter in the game. We lynched the smallest, now we should lynch the biggest if that's the logic you play by. Are you going to keep creating posts to build your filter to make it harder to scum read you?
On June 18 2015 14:15 rsoultin wrote: i'm not asking why you're scumreading lightningstrike shockey
i'm asking you why he is your top scumread...though perhaps the better way to phrase it is if he suddenly dropped dead, who else are you willing to lynch?
your only purpose for quoting those was to say nhm was town...multiple times? okay i guess lol ><
In all honesty? You, but you still haven't given me a valid reason to call you scum and my current scum radar is going off on LS. And if you read my post you would see why he's my top scum read.
And as mentioned I haven't fully looked into boxerfred yet. I've only read what holyflare has mentioned about him.
that's cool. you once made a terrible list post a couple hours into the day and it was terrible. can you do that again but make it less terrible this time? thanks.
I will post my list in the morning. Going to let the posts rack up a bit more. I want to see others thoughts before I finalize it for day 1.
town: nhm - nhm's posting just reads town motivated, but he probably will drop to town lean due to his inactivity. ritoky - I like your posting style from the start, it probably rubs off the wrong way to certain people, but I found it easy to be able to communicate with you
town lean: breshke - He really comes off as my highest town lean atm, his posting is like the game before and he was town with me. damdred - my reasons before. rsoul - her post below put her into the town lean last night. Still wary because she talks about LS as if he can't be scum.
scum lean: LS - Read filter, I gave quite a few good points on him. bugs - His case will come afterwards, but his protection of LS just seems weird + Show Spoiler +
On June 18 2015 22:55 wherebugsgo wrote: I see I have been ninjaed.
Re: LS, I didn't defend LS prior to the claim because I myself was unsure of his alignment at that point. To me he seemed townish but my reasons were not very well qualified and it was mostly on the basis of him not acting in a very similar way to how he did in the last game where he was scum and we got him killed day 1. Indeed here his defense is a lot more passioned whereas in the previous game and in all the other scum games I read in which he got lynched he more or less rolled over and died.
The claim however pretty much instantly erased any doubts I had and that's when I chose to defend him because I knee jubjubs and scum would jump all over that shit to call him scum. The two worst responses IMO were yours and GB, and to a lesser extent Onegu whose only listed reason for voting was policy. IMO people who do not view that claim as a townish thing to do are either mafia or bad, and I really prefer not to assume someone is bad town when they have demonstrated some capability of thinking analytically.
GB's reaction to the claim was really terrible. He flipped his read on LS completely which is not what I would expect town to do simply on the basis of a claim. It also appeared very opportunistic because as soon as I showed resistance he backed off, and curiously tried to get my opinion on another low-hanging-fruit of a player, VA.
What's interesting to me here is that the more that I think on kt and write it out the more I find GB scummy than anyone else. Anyone else down to kill him today?
I'm down, what's weird is that you talk about GB being weird for jumping off the LS train, but you're pretty much also doing the same thing, but with a lot more content to it...
lohen - based on thread and points brought up on him. He's new to the game, but still hasn't really posted much...
On June 18 2015 14:37 ritoky wrote:
On June 18 2015 14:33 ShoCkeyy wrote: Alright chops 4, btw what did you think of my push against LS and his responses to me? Also thoughts on rsoul?
I agree with your points but not necessarily your conclusion. Because you seem to not regard the fact that he has done stupid claim shit like this as town on day 1 under no lynch pressure before. Your points aren't wrong, those are anti-town things and his responses to you are bleh at best.
I learned from a recent Obs game that rsoul is an easy read for me in the late game. The problem is she shoots me as scum early in games and I shoot her as scum early in games so neither one of us ever gets there is we are opposing alignments. She is town for now cuz she seems interested in solving the game; will re-evaluate later. Except I expect after my outburst I am gonna get the HF treatment tonight.
But what makes it the same as his previous claims? And I mentioned to him that it's easy to change meta, what are your thoughts on that?
On June 18 2015 14:40 GlowingBear wrote:
On June 18 2015 14:38 ShoCkeyy wrote: GB give me your real thoughts on myself and LS, also what did you think of my push against LS? you were one of the few that I quoted.
I don't remember it.
I'll need to read your filter again.
I think you're scum based on imperfect meta. I remember being on your skin last game and you kept being very... how could I say... cool headed? And I'm not actually seeing this here.
LS has 8 pages of filter and I'm not lynching anyone like that day1
Did you ever read my filter? And why do you base games on largest filters? I don't get it, I have a small filter and I'm pro town. How does a large filter benefit town when trying to make cases on scum?
On June 18 2015 14:32 rsoultin wrote:
On June 18 2015 14:21 ShoCkeyy wrote:
On June 18 2015 14:15 rsoultin wrote: i'm not asking why you're scumreading lightningstrike shockey
i'm asking you why he is your top scumread...though perhaps the better way to phrase it is if he suddenly dropped dead, who else are you willing to lynch?
your only purpose for quoting those was to say nhm was town...multiple times? okay i guess lol ><
In all honesty? You, but you still haven't given me a valid reason to call you scum and my current scum radar is going off on LS. And if you read my post you would see why he's my top scum read.
And as mentioned I haven't fully looked into boxerfred yet. I've only read what holyflare has mentioned about him.
oh i actually thought this was directed at rit lol ><
dude, you're going to have to get over the fact that i'm ridiculously involved in threads. there's a method to the madness, and maybe it's not the best for town i'll admit but it somehow works best for me and regardless scum kills me frequently enough that apparently they don't like it either
not really gonna change just cause people disapprove (especially since i doubt i can xP)
if you read my filter, really read it, you will find what everyone finds and namely that is there's a ton more content than meets the eye if all you've got is me and ls that's bad for you cause you're probably not lynching scum lol
Bolded the necessary points so you can start understanding.
Haven't read you filter yet
I base day1 on biggest filters, not the whole game
What? Why? I based my day 1 on whole thread and the interactions that happen between players. How can you see what's going on if you're only doing the biggest filters.
You can keep thinking i'm scum, but if you are really town, I need you to realize I lynched the one that really seemed scummier to me. Either we work together and really find scum or you keep on with your ignorance of me since the first game we played together.
Now back to re-reading thread and follow up since I have the time to do so atm.
he is talking to GB like he knows GB is confirmed town and then he promises activity and that he is reading/evaluating the thread and then never delivers. combine that with cases already made and the whole bugs prompting him when he was gone forever thing; voila i have a mafia.
On June 19 2015 14:09 GlowingBear wrote: Ok, caught up.
I don't think scum LS, after risking fake claiming, would rescind at night and cause all that ruckus and draw so much attention to him. Pretty suicidal Mafia play. Unless he is GF/being framed and wants to draw a check/track in him? This is pretty wifom and I'll keep the Occam's razor.
Rsoultin looks top townie to me for the way she is approaching the game. She has no reason to defend me as scum rsoultin.
I've been liking Breshke's approach in this night phase. Sounds like someone who is genuinely trying to solve the game. I will review my case on him after I take a shower.
Kelsier is town Onegu is town Ritoky still looks town
Damdred dropped too much, should keep an eye on him.
We need to revisit Nydus. I forgot everything from this guy.
Shockey is probably Mafia. If Mig is Mafia, bugs is also. VA is a coinflip
I need to read Fidei
I don't know about Holyflare. Too tunneled on me and some misrepresentations are things that I don't expect on his usual superb town play.
Am I forgetting someone?
cool you think so too, stop talking about yourself so much, talk about something more useful.
On June 20 2015 14:19 Breshke wrote: Rit I agree shockey is scummy and I want to lynch him or Mig today if we arn't lynching GB
Can you explain why you don't want to lynch GB do you have him as town? Or do you just think shockey is scummier
honestly i remember gb doing some townie shit and some scummy shit so his alignment is inconclusive to me. maybe he is scum cuz he keeps getting bogged down in stupid shit. i don't really give a damn.
i see shockeyy and bugs' slot (now ruxxar) as scum. with the outside shot of LS. that's who i want to lynch and i want people to get on board.
for bugs/ruxxar -> endless shit fighting into little production -> prompting shockeyy after afk implies QT -> ruxxar posts manufactured reads...didn't even know LS claimed a role even though it dominated 70 pages of the game. called LS calm and collected...just no..just no.
if GB is still whiny after i get through those 2 and if damdred still hasn't posted more then i will go deal with those two.
idk rsoul i have scumbag voted w/ 3 seconds left, intentionally played suboptimally, and prayed on ppl's sympathies as mafia so sorry if i am not exactly trusting.
On June 20 2015 14:32 ritoky wrote: meh mig is okayish to me now. he did some responding to me that i was more alright with than what i previously had been. so he is back to null for me.
I hate his filter around eod
when you're back could you please give quotes and stuff and be specific.
On June 20 2015 14:19 Breshke wrote: Rit I agree shockey is scummy and I want to lynch him or Mig today if we arn't lynching GB
Can you explain why you don't want to lynch GB do you have him as town? Or do you just think shockey is scummier
honestly i remember gb doing some townie shit and some scummy shit so his alignment is inconclusive to me. maybe he is scum cuz he keeps getting bogged down in stupid shit. i don't really give a damn.
i see shockeyy and bugs' slot (now ruxxar) as scum. with the outside shot of LS. that's who i want to lynch and i want people to get on board.
for bugs/ruxxar -> endless shit fighting into little production -> prompting shockeyy after afk implies QT -> ruxxar posts manufactured reads...didn't even know LS claimed a role even though it dominated 70 pages of the game. called LS calm and collected...just no..just no.
if GB is still whiny after i get through those 2 and if damdred still hasn't posted more then i will go deal with those two.
I'm not being whiny?
I'm being reasonable regarding VA. ALl his reads were like "Glowingbear is using caps lock, scum. KSC is dead, glowingbear scum". VA is experienced in mafia. Do you think he would rely on these things to call me so?
Let me ask you something: why would Mig, as mafia, hammer boxerfred instead of me? I have an idea but I want to hear from you first.
is the mig thing directed at me?
he would hammer town over you cuz you could be mafia? or cuz it was two town wagons and he wanted a wifom argument of "mafia would never hammer a town". fuck do i care about wifoming his motives?
are VA's reads substantive? no. are they good? i don't know. is he okay with lynching shockeyy? yes. cool beans; let's lynch shockeyy.
and yes you're being a bit whiny because every time someone calls you mafia you make a giant show of it. pretty sure nydus called me mafia, i told him i didn't give 2 shits about his read. pretty sure some1 else called me mafia and i ignored him. find scum and people will stop calling you mafia.
start with shockeyy. you thought he was highly likely mafia earlier, why or why not now? if not who should i lynch over him and why?
On June 20 2015 14:32 ritoky wrote: meh mig is okayish to me now. he did some responding to me that i was more alright with than what i previously had been. so he is back to null for me.
I hate his filter around eod
His filter on EoD is okay if you consier his filter earlier.
He actually REACTED to thread when he was online, something I fail to see on Fidei.
You might tell me why Fidei is town instead of doing this "I shouldn't be telling why he is town" with Damdred, or I'll push him with all my might.
I don't respond to threats. You'd just annoy me doing this and he wouldn't be lynched anyway so let it go.
I think you just like that he didn't lynch you. What I don't like is how big a screws he appeared to have.on you while so little got him to switch to bf. It's incongruous.
That's what i'm talking about rit.
I can quote but it'sore of an overall thing? Mig came into the thread pushing gb and said he was scummy throughout. So the sudden switch makes little sense to me, not for so weak a reason
cuz if mig is mafia and it is 2 town wagons, there's no reason to flip his read and draw suspicion on himself by lynching the person he wasn't scum reading all phase. that would mean GB almost MUST be mafia with mig and he voted to keep a teammate alive.
On June 20 2015 15:14 ritoky wrote: cuz if mig is mafia and it is 2 town wagons, there's no reason to flip his read and draw suspicion on himself by lynching the person he wasn't scum reading all phase. that would mean GB almost MUST be mafia with mig and he voted to keep a teammate alive.
I know lol >< i'm tonereading gb town
Migs makes no sense to me though with the switch and it does suggest gb is mafia
I know town gb and scum mig doesn't really fit
Like obv gb is more polarizing so there's that but is it worth the attention? Prob not. Doesn't change that I don't get mug and he's prob mafia though
that makes absolutely no sense....
you think a guy is mafia, he flips his read with low to mild amounts of justification to the opposing wagon, and logic shows that if he is mafia he probably did this to save a partner; yet you value your tone read higher?
On June 20 2015 15:34 GlowingBear wrote: Well, I'm town. He sees two town wagons. He decides to lynch boxer. Why not taking the easier path and lynching me, who he brought more suspicions before? I think it would fit better a mafia mindset of survivability if he just lynched me. Nobody would be questioning him today. Why drawing so much attention as mafia?
On June 20 2015 15:14 ritoky wrote: cuz if mig is mafia and it is 2 town wagons, there's no reason to flip his read and draw suspicion on himself by lynching the person he wasn't scum reading all phase. that would mean GB almost MUST be mafia with mig and he voted to keep a teammate alive.
i literally quoted the post and bolded you promising to re-read the thread and post re-evaluations cuz you "had the time"....you smokin the good stuff?
honestly feel like ruxxar could be scum operating on teammate advice....just reading filters and spam posting evaluations while disengaged from the game.
like you think mig is SUPER mafia...literally the only way that logically makes sense for him to be mafia is that he is mafia with GB. but you have some majestic toneread. it has been like walking through tar to get you off of it even though logically, in my mind, you should think GB is mafia. and then these past few posts where you're finally giving a bit on the subject, it feels like you're setting up an "i told you so"....i am super sketched out by you today.
On June 21 2015 09:48 Holyflare wrote: i dunno shockey seemed ok, what don't you like about him and why him over gb???
his reason for voting GB was: he isn't responding to me, then he just decided on a whim to switch to BF. his reads were weak. i don't find him to particularly be looking for scum, and i sincerely believe that bugs prompted him after he had been away for a long time and he responded quickly after (which implies QT communication to me)
On June 21 2015 09:45 ritoky wrote: i made dinner. it is yummy.
i still want to lynch shockeyy
lol over mig and gb...or even like yama/va/oneg?
like ritoky what do you think was going on with the vote yesterday? why all the strange votes going against reads? hm? you criticize me for wanting to lynch mig and not gb, but how does mig's vote make sense from any perspective?
mig's play was weird. yama's was weird
shockey's was too to some extent cause of that weird 10 min switch thingy but how is it more weird than the other two? like seriously you seem to be townreading gb? so what makes shockey the scummiest of the bunch?
mig responded to my criticisms and it made me want to lynch him less than i did before. plus lynching GB seems better than lynching mig because in my mind the literal only way he is mafia is if GB is mafia...lynching mig just seems like the inherently worse play lynching into that world.
and what of yama/va/onegu/damdred? they're all not really playing and coinflips at this point. lynching into coinflips when you have scum cases is kinda meh.
On June 21 2015 09:48 Holyflare wrote: i dunno shockey seemed ok, what don't you like about him and why him over gb???
his reason for voting GB was: he isn't responding to me, then he just decided on a whim to switch to BF. his reads were weak. i don't find him to particularly be looking for scum, and i sincerely believe that bugs prompted him after he had been away for a long time and he responded quickly after (which implies QT communication to me)
but why is that scummy? never seen a mafia want to stand out so retardedly by changing on a whim against such a blatant read that they had?
but yeh his reads are super weak
non-experienced player. and it was a close vote, new mafia (on these forums) feels more apt to expose themselves to protect a teammate than veteran mafia who would not risk exposure to save a teammate d1
On June 21 2015 09:45 ritoky wrote: i made dinner. it is yummy.
i still want to lynch shockeyy
lol over mig and gb...or even like yama/va/oneg?
like ritoky what do you think was going on with the vote yesterday? why all the strange votes going against reads? hm? you criticize me for wanting to lynch mig and not gb, but how does mig's vote make sense from any perspective?
mig's play was weird. yama's was weird
shockey's was too to some extent cause of that weird 10 min switch thingy but how is it more weird than the other two? like seriously you seem to be townreading gb? so what makes shockey the scummiest of the bunch?
mig responded to my criticisms and it made me want to lynch him less than i did before. plus lynching GB seems better than lynching mig because in my mind the literal only way he is mafia is if GB is mafia...lynching mig just seems like the inherently worse play lynching into that world.
and what of yama/va/onegu/damdred? they're all not really playing and coinflips at this point. lynching into coinflips when you have scum cases is kinda meh.
eh
well your criticisms weren't amazing in all truth, but he certainly hasn't responded to big scumread on gb sudden switch to bf who he only mentioned a passing suspicion on beforehand
well i'm lynching gb. he's more likely to flip scum than shockey pretty sure
it's something to do with how he defends himself when he's scum vs. town...plus and i know this is only a small sample size...he was pretty adamant on low-hanging fruit in got as well when as town he'll go for the big boys and not give a fuck...now he's going after hf but that's in response to the push and a pretty bad "you fake-claimed mason must be mafia" thing lol ><
give me better ones. you said you were going to when you were at a comp
On June 21 2015 09:45 ritoky wrote: i made dinner. it is yummy.
i still want to lynch shockeyy
lol over mig and gb...or even like yama/va/oneg?
like ritoky what do you think was going on with the vote yesterday? why all the strange votes going against reads? hm? you criticize me for wanting to lynch mig and not gb, but how does mig's vote make sense from any perspective?
mig's play was weird. yama's was weird
shockey's was too to some extent cause of that weird 10 min switch thingy but how is it more weird than the other two? like seriously you seem to be townreading gb? so what makes shockey the scummiest of the bunch?
mig responded to my criticisms and it made me want to lynch him less than i did before. plus lynching GB seems better than lynching mig because in my mind the literal only way he is mafia is if GB is mafia...lynching mig just seems like the inherently worse play lynching into that world.
and what of yama/va/onegu/damdred? they're all not really playing and coinflips at this point. lynching into coinflips when you have scum cases is kinda meh.
eh
well your criticisms weren't amazing in all truth, but he certainly hasn't responded to big scumread on gb sudden switch to bf who he only mentioned a passing suspicion on beforehand
well i'm lynching gb. he's more likely to flip scum than shockey pretty sure
it's something to do with how he defends himself when he's scum vs. town...plus and i know this is only a small sample size...he was pretty adamant on low-hanging fruit in got as well when as town he'll go for the big boys and not give a fuck...now he's going after hf but that's in response to the push and a pretty bad "you fake-claimed mason must be mafia" thing lol ><
give me better ones. you said you were going to when you were at a comp
better ones? already have lol
wasn't your criticism that he said ls might be town for a post after making a case against him? -shrugs-
the whole
he's been fucking reading gb as scum, built a case on him, yada yada only mentioned a passing suspicion on bf then suddenly lynched him out of the blue is a much better criticism
or are you arguing that?
you said he is probably mafia regardless of GB flipping scum earlier. why, if his voting shit is why he is scum?
On June 21 2015 10:45 rsoultin wrote: like what do you even think you're accomplishing by pointing out that mig being scum makes it more likely that gb is scum, huh?
TELL ME HOW THE VOTE CHANGE WAS TOWNIE RIT
seriously. do that. what was townie about it? what makes sense about it?
you just want to hold onto the fact that i was scumreading mig and saying gb could still be town (which technically is possible but not likely) but you're not saying why i'm wrong on mig, so what gives?
i am not saying you're wrong on mig. i am saying that if mig, then gb. you're saying if mig, maybe gb. but to me it's pretty simple: that vote is either a confused/flipfloppy town vote on a wagon between two towns or a vote to save a teammate. call me wifom king if you want, but i am just simplifying it for my own sanity and cuz those are the likely scenarios to me.
so in the 2 potential worlds i can fathom in regards to that vote, there isn't a scenario where mig is mafia and GB isn't. so your view didn't make sense to me.
is it an associative read without flips? yeah. is it the greatest read since sliced bread? no. do i like my read? hellz yeah. and yeah i am not telling you you're wrong cuz i haven't made up my mind on if i think they're both mafia. deal with it. and lynch shockeyy like everyone wanted to during the night but suddenly upon day break no1 but me wanted to anymore. that's not telling or anything.
you wanna push a lynch on me, then be my guest; it will fail and you'll look dumb trying to lynch town.
On June 21 2015 12:05 LightningStrike wrote: ruXxar since you are here I think you should take a look at Onegu I want a outsider perspective from someone who never played with him before and tell me your thoughts on him please.
This is so bad. Like obv people who never played with me will see me as anti town and you know it. So why ask someone who never played with me their thoughts?
onegu i've never played with you, can you tell me if gb and mig are mafia. thanx gurl.
On June 21 2015 13:02 Onegu wrote: I have a town read on GB. and Mig no idea.
HF and shockeyy's alignments?
HF could really be scum here. Like his reasons for scum reading me are really bad and I expect more for him. I really thought we got passed scum reading each other in every game we play together but I guess not...
Shockeyy hasnt slipped mafias roles so null. He hasnt done anything really so 50/50
are we still lynching LS for policy or is any1 a slam dunk?
On June 22 2015 05:22 ritoky wrote: why is damdred town?
meta based
I've played a lot with him and his playstyle is way more stiff when he is scum.
i think i have the best meta read on him, and currently he hasn't done enough to be alignment indicative, but if i had to call it i would say he is mafia. so idk what you're exactly seeing.
On June 22 2015 05:16 ritoky wrote: talk about some1 who might actually get lynched today ruxx.
What I see is a heated discussion between GB and holyflare, and I feel like it's very one-sided.
Not to be mr.obvious here, but if GB was mafia, would his mafia friends not come to the rescue and try to fend for him? At least somehow try to deflect the attention to someone else, getting a train going on a second horse?
All I see is a lone person getting hammered into a corner.
I can understand how people might think he is mafia, due to the way the votes evolved on day 1 and there might've seemed like there was mafia train on boxerfred.
However if that was true, why stop today? Why bus him today after that heroic effort to save him yesterday?
It doesn't make sense to me.
????????? the only person that "saved" GB yesterday that is voting on him today is rsoul....what are you talking about?
w/e i have to go to my "surprise" father's day party thing that i already know is happening cuz some people are blabbermouths. i am just gonna sheep. if you're town here, sorry GB i made a bad call.
You're in quadruple LYLO. A player is red checked by a confirmed cop. Lynch the red check. If there is a framer or he is a miller the game is already lost because in f3 you're probably lynching the red checked guy anyway. No point in leaving HF alive ever.
I mean that's not even considering that the cop made an associative play to try and trap another mafia with his red check and that guy the associated person flipped mafia. Not lynching the red check is inexcusable.
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