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few things I noticed so far 1) very unlikely that onegu/LS are both mafia together. They would have had to have planned out their beginning interaction with onegu claiming vt and LS snap attacking it and posting another game where he did it as scum. Seems unlikely considering LS reputation as lazy scum and the fact that onegu just disappeared from the thread after it. 2) gb's reactions to rsoul are extremely shady GB starts with an extremely soft defense and deflection away from rs + Show Spoiler + On June 17 2015 11:15 GlowingBear wrote: I usually ignore her until LYLO. If she is alive we just vote her. I'm not really putting too much thought on her right now. Time will tell. But following this you pretty much immediately vote her even tho you later defend her by saying you shouldn't vote for people with the longest filters day1 (why did you vote for her in the first place then?) While Gbs vote is still on her you say this + Show Spoiler + On June 17 2015 12:58 GlowingBear wrote: By the way, trust the tone read rsoultin gives on damdred and me I've been discussing games with her for a long while and he does that every time. And she does it correctly. Like, I told her I was freezingfoot last game and she said: you're scum right? you don't feel like town gb I trust her tone reads as genuine What is rubbing me the wrong way is the shitfight she entered and the refusal to get off of it. If you are unsure of her alignment why are you telling people to trust her tone read on you? A lot of this strikes me as TMI, as in you already know rsouls alignment. You were willing to go along with possibly lynching her when bugs was pushing hard and the sentiment was against her but once it started to turn you softly back paddled. And now you are only focusing on lynching into lurkers. Along with all of this GB has like 20 town reads already but does he have any scum reads on people who aren't lurkers? So a couple questions GB, definitively do you think rsoul is more likely town or mafia? Also, who out of the active people do you think is the most likely to be mafia? I assume you dont believe the entire mafia team are within the lurkers. Rsoul I would also like to hear whether you think your tone read holds up on Gb and whether you think he is still town simply because he is disorganized. | ||
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Boxer why did you pick holyflare and Kelsier as the only 2 filters you have read? | ||
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Starts off with the instant attacking onegu for claiming vt, struck me as trying to make a big deal out of completely nothing. People claim VT all the time. Follows it up with buddying up to bugs just non stop, completely plausible thing for a fishy mafia to try and buddy up to the guy who caught him last game. When asked for his scum reads he is incredibly wishy washy + Show Spoiler + On June 18 2015 02:13 LightningStrike wrote: It's only a weak scumread right now and would like to talk to him more when he gets backs so I can confirm my read plus have others give me their thoughts and see if align with my own thoughts. Also I did have a somewhat recent game as town when I didn't have a scumread for the first 48 hours so therefore you logic isn't exactly a scum tell  The game that I didn't have a scumread for the first 48 hours was Games of Thrones Mini recently if you want to check it out.And ends up saying he decided to vote for shockey because other people were on him (easy way to deflect blame if shockey flips town). Even his motto for handling rsoul is a straight copy from GB + Show Spoiler + On June 18 2015 02:43 LightningStrike wrote: Also the best rule on rsoultin is that if she gets to LYLO you just lynch her because she is more likely scum when she hits LYLO from her recent games. LS do you actually have any original thoughts? Who besides shockey do you think is likely to be scum? | ||
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On June 18 2015 06:23 GlowingBear wrote: Her play as both alignments is very similar. But when she is town she is a threat to scum, usually, which means she won't survive until LYLO. When I said to "trust" her reads, I mean her reasoning, not that it was coming from either alignments. I chat a lot with her and she usually gives this tone reads while observing games and she was correct every time she did that. So, I meant that you can trust her reads are GENUINE, not FABRICATED. It doesn't defines her alignment. In other words, I prefer to treat her as town rather than mafia because she gave these reads and they look correct to me (I also feel Damdred is town and I'm town). I don't see mafia rsoultin calling both me and damdred town without actively trying to buddy us (she is definetly not trying to buddy me). Out of the active people, I'm flipping my reads a lot. I have problems with bugs and I'm starting to have problems with Holyflare, and somewhat reevaluating the townread I gave Breshke. If I had to choose ONE, I think I'd stick to bugs, I think. This is actually the first time I don't have a firm scumread at this point. The problem is that I'd rather lynch a question mark than an active mafia day1. I'm not carrying information-less people to later days. 55 pages in and no scum reads :/ | ||
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On June 18 2015 06:32 rsoultin wrote: ehhhh mostly just that he has this annoying habit (the same thing onegu was talking about, as we've both explained to him why it's bad ><) of claiming at the first sign of pressure to the point of ridiculousness (i.e. with hardly any or very few votes on him) he did this d1 in greymist's last massive themed game just because hf and i were expressing suspicions. 2 people in a game of nearly 30 with no votes on him i don't think i've seen him do it as scum? and i'm already townreading him for tone/meta reasons...he usually doesn't push much of anything as scum, for one...even though he knows this i kinda agree with damdy that ls seems to have a hard time (or lack motivation) to fix even the smallest things in his mafia game I find it pretty suspect to just believe his claim because he hasn't done it as scum yet. I mean it is going to happen eventually right? Is LS just going to play for the rest of his life always claiming whenever he is a town blue? Pretty convenient that his claim happens to be a named VT also, the one blue claim he can make where he doesnt have to do anything. Regarding pushing people, is he really pushing shockey at all? It seems more like parroting other people to me. Tone stuff I can't really argue with, I need to read his other games. | ||
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On June 18 2015 06:40 rsoultin wrote: can you please comment on ksc, shocckey and...eh lol might as well with hf as well Only issue I have with ksc is the weird unvote and vote for bill murray. Accomplished nothing and he had already called LS and shockey both mafia. Why back off. Otherwise his posts all make sense to me. The fake anger thing by bugs seems like complete conjecture. Shocckey could easily be mafia, anytime someone is making excuses for their reads and throwing out reasons why they can't be around it is a red flag. Especially when he did it when under almost no pressure. HF I don't really know, I only remember from playing with him 1.5 years ago that he used to make like 50000 meta cases where he would post 20 games from people's filters. I certainly dont think he has been playing exceptionally pro town so far but his points breaking apart boxer's case were good and logical. | ||
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On June 18 2015 06:46 LightningStrike wrote: I didn't really read his filter when I defended him honestly. I only really read his filter when Mig brought up Boxer's stuff regarding timing and failing to do promised stuff. As terrible as this is, this actually makes me think LS is more likely to be town haha. Mafia usually arent brazen enough to come out and admit shit like this. | ||
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On June 18 2015 07:42 Fidei86 wrote: I guess I could put this another way - I read elsewhere on the forums that there is a happy medium for a town, in between too lurky (nobody can get reads) and too active (everything important gets swept away by a tidal wave of bullshit). At the moment I think we're waaaaay too far over to the latter right now, meaning that scum can easily skate by whilst all the active town just yell at each other. Part of me not wanting to start trying to get involved in the back and forth is that I'm just concerned I'm going to be adding even further to the clutter. Fidei instead of discussing why this is so hard for you discuss who you think the scum are. | ||
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On June 18 2015 07:56 Damdred wrote: Please don't ignore me, I need attention before I go to my corner. In one of shockeys posts he said this, @KSC - I don't get why you think I was going after damdred? It was just an early post to get more info on him and in return he got info out of me. I never even claimed I think he's mafia. If anything, his reads seem town motivated. Did you miss this? If not what is your point? Not sure what is special about not following up with someone who he thinks is town. What do you think about fedeis return? Why do you still read GB as town? | ||
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Do you actually believe any of my posts are coming from a mafia mindset Gb? Or are you just trying to paint me poorly since I actually questioned your posts. | ||
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Ritoky - Guess what I dont know everyones alignment, if someone says something that looks townie to me I will say it. I didnt say that post made LS town but it made me reconsider the possibility of it. Explain to me how exactly this makes me mafia. GB- are you voting BF because you think there is a good chance he flips scum or just to save yourself? If the caps lock stuck isnt AI can you post an example of you doing it as town? I cant look through past games atm. | ||
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I am most likely voting GB, but I would like to hear him answer my questions first. | ||
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I was in a tourney and trying to catch up on 30 pages in the last 2 hours on my phone in between hands. I didn't have the time to look up past games for gb. I asked for examples of GB doing the caps lock thing as town (which nobody provided), I asked boxer and gb both questions. Gb answered them and boxer ignored them. I ended up just going with my gut based on boxer's return looking super shady/him promising content and never producing/ignoring me, Gb was at least trying and I would have felt like a retard if I lynched him over a mafia bf and the caps lock thing ended up being bs. It makes literally no sense for me not to vote Gb if I were mafia. 1) If me and Gb were mafia team mates I would have just bussed him for town cred, lynch was super close and I made the first case against him. Why wouldn't I just try to hammer him for even more town cred instead of drawing attention to myself? 2) If Gb were town again why would I vote bf over him? Why draw attention to myself when nobody would even bat an eye if I voted gb? I have been playing a tournament every single day since the game has started. If I were mafia I would be doing whatever I could to fly under the radar. Instead of actually asking questions in the thread 10 min before lynch while on my phone in a tourney I could have just voted gb 6 hours before and afkd So yea you can believe it or not but I voted who I thought was most likely to be mafia simple as that. Anyway I went back and looked through Gb's past games and found these posts when he was mislynched as a townie in hammertime mafia + Show Spoiler + On February 01 2015 11:34 GlowingBear wrote: OH GOD I WAS RIGHT SINCE DAY ONE FUCK YOU ALL I'M SO FUCKING ANGRY WITH YOU HOW COULD YOU FUCKING INSTA VOTE ON LYLO? HOW COULD YOU FUCKING HAMMER PALMAR WITHOUT NO READS AT HIM AND WHILE TWO OF YOUR SCUMREADS (ONEGU AND ME) WERE VOTING HIM WHAT THE FUCK WERE YOU THINKING LIAN? AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARGH On January 31 2015 01:33 GlowingBear wrote: Dude those were TWO QUOTES. TWO QUOTES. SHOW ME ANY EFFORT YOU'VE PUT INTO BRINGING ATTENTION TO YOUR LATE CASE ON ME. PALMAR SAYS WHARRGARBL LYNCH TOAD WHAT DO YOU DO? KEEP SILENT. YOU DON'T SAY "HEY LOOK AT MY CASE AND GIVE THOUGHTS" ARGH On January 31 2015 01:33 GlowingBear wrote: Dude those were TWO QUOTES. TWO QUOTES. SHOW ME ANY EFFORT YOU'VE PUT INTO BRINGING ATTENTION TO YOUR LATE CASE ON ME. PALMAR SAYS WHARRGARBL LYNCH TOAD WHAT DO YOU DO? KEEP SILENT. YOU DON'T SAY "HEY LOOK AT MY CASE AND GIVE THOUGHTS" ARGH So the caps lock thing was bs, and it does look to me like Gb is actually trying to solve the game. He could have kept his read on me as mafia (especially with rsoul accusing me) but instead tried to look at it from the viewpoint that I could be town. I don't really see the mafia motivation behind it. The suspicion of me for all of this makes me really wary of rsoul. You are voting to lynch Gb now (who you have been adamant the entire game is town) simply based on the fact that you think I am mafia???? Rsoul I have just come back from a 1.5 year break and only played 1 game, have you even bothered to read that one game to compare it to this one? Or are you too busy posting 22 pages worth of filter to actually try and find scum? You seem like a smart person I find it really weird that you can't see any possible reasoning for why I would vote like I did as a townie, and now you are lynching your town read because you are so 100% sure I am mafia (yet I am pretty confident you havent even read any of my past games). Seems shady as shit. | ||
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In the mean time yam is a really good lynch. 1) He just rolled mafia in my last mini, and guess what he wasn't motivated to do anything. On June 06 2015 04:51 yamato77 wrote: fecal is right tho, game is pretty boring until BF does something that looks even remotely townie, I'm content sitting on the idea of lynching him, you lazy fucks can do the scumhunting this game, I'm uninspired. Sound familiar On June 21 2015 13:27 Lohengramm wrote: I actually have no motivation to play this game lolol 2) He isn't arguing with anyone, compare this game to his most recent town games in aperture, mafia mini mafia2, assassination. He was arguing with people pretty much non stop in all of them. In my last game with him where he was mafia he only argued with marv after being called mafia and when he scum slipped that he knew a townie claim was real. Otherwise he was super passive and didn't give a shit who was mafia. Also while reading his last 3 town games I didn't see him ever say anything about being lazy/unmotivated. 3) Making the replacement excuse for being lazy. He fucking knew he was replacing in, so why is he so unmotivated? The idea that bill murray came in saw he was mafia replaced out yam saw he was mafia and decided to not do shit makes total sense. | ||
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1) He has made a couple excuses for being absent/not trying. At one point his reasoning was the thread wasnt fun to read so he was going to sheep 2) promises that aren't kept/saying he is going to do work but not following through. + Show Spoiler + On June 18 2015 23:03 Damdred wrote: I'm really busy today I'll try to be here for deadline going to go oj boxfred however. Said he was going to be here for lynch but wasnt On June 20 2015 03:56 Damdred wrote: Ok, I'm sure #2 has been talked to death at this point ...anything else or who's filter I should focus on specifically while I attempt to make a dent On June 20 2015 04:09 Damdred wrote: Lol no worries. So going to read mugs filter etc Asks which filters to read, says he is going to read mine. Never comments on any 3) Makes virtually no effort to get his #1 scum read lynched day1 then just votes BF without ever really mentioning him at all. On June 18 2015 07:09 Damdred wrote: I actually think Fiede is mafia here guys and is a really good vote today. If you look at his filter and compare it to HG which just finished a lot of the things he talks about in that game are really fluid and confrontational at parts trying to figure out the truth on players or get his view points into the thread. Also when he doesn't like what players are doing he is going to get into their face. Look at what hes doing here, hes really not trying to rock the boat overall. He is trying to pocket/buddy up to people and is being noncommittal and not really following much up at this point or talking about anything worth while. I'm pretty sure this guy is mafia. Starts with this, asks a couple people about it but then just completely gives up. Later on he now says he wont lynch fidei no matter what wtf? Seriously read Damdred's filter, he mentions boxer twice and never gives his read on him at all then votes him, promises to be back for deadline and never shows back up. And now his read on fidei (his only scum read btw) has done a complete 180. He put a good effort in day1 and is now totally coasting that nobody is suspicious of him. Damdred why did your read flip on fidei, who do you think is scum? I want to hear something besides another excuse for not reading the thread. | ||
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On June 22 2015 00:51 rsoultin wrote: just as an fyi, if i'm scumreading the TWO of you, him not pushing you doesn't really carry that much weight with me xP can't imagine why xP this also happened AFTER the lynch I am not trying to convince you that gb is town, I am telling why I am more inclined to think gb is town. I am not going to guarantee that gb is town but from my viewpoint that is how it looks. To me it looks like gb is actually trying to solve the game and figure out people's alignments. When I look at damdred/yam I dont see the same thing. What I find weird is that you seemed 100% sure I was mafia, you are willing to obviously put a lot of time into mafia but you didn't even read my 1 filter from a game that just ended? This really makes me question whether you actually care about finding mafia or whether you are just pushing an agenda. + Show Spoiler + On June 22 2015 03:44 rsoultin wrote: which are? beyond you voting for my scumread which, i admit, does go in your favor enough to make the first failure to vote null if he flips scum Yam you want to answer this? What exactly makes you town? Seriously lets lynch yam. His play looks exactly like his last mafia game where he didn't give a fuck. His last 3 town games he tried harder in all of them and actually tried to figure out who the mafia were. Here he doesnt care at all. | ||
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On June 22 2015 05:43 Damdred wrote: This is frustrating all my connections are back working and nobody is here to talk to. GB is more than likely never scum in this scenario. If he is totally changed his meta and deserves a big pat on the back. However Mig, asks questions that lead no where. Writes a good bit about certain things but doesn't really go along with it, wastes vote without pushing anything today. Is pretty inactive (pot meet kettle) is totally on the side line not getting involved. Conclussions are rather lacking and following some of thread sentiment. How am I totally on the side line not getting involved? I was actually here at the last eod (unlike you) and was one of the final votes. | ||
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On June 22 2015 05:46 Damdred wrote: That's pretty uncanny soon as I call mig out on not following up etc., post about following up. IDK what to think about that, I just have to chuckle. I just got here, do you think I wrote that entire post in the 2 minutes since you wrote yours? | ||
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On June 22 2015 05:45 Damdred wrote: Yamato is a difficult case, his activity is a bit concerning but some of his posts and reads feel genuine and seem to have a real flow and thought pattern to them. I wouldn't fight super hard against his lynch, but I think i'd rather a mig lynch. How do his reads feel genuine lol. This is such bullshit soft defense. | ||
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Damdred why did your read on fidei flip? | ||
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Anyway tho I would still lynch yam. When asked by rsoul why he was town he ignores it. Now he is afk again. HF/rsoul are you guys actually more confident that gb is mafia than Yam? Look at his recent mafia games and town games. The difference in effort is huge. The excuse about well he had to replace in so he wont try is bullshit. He knew he was replacing into a huge game, why would he instantly be unmotivated. | ||
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On June 22 2015 06:02 rsoultin wrote: i don't meta players i don't know, especially off one game, especially when it's not a meta-point i'm scumreading them for you don't like it, deal with it So basically you are saying yea here is extra information I could have but I choose to ignore it. This entire line feels like an excuse not to actually look for scum or poor play at best. | ||
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On June 22 2015 06:08 rsoultin wrote: what exactly do you expect me to find in this other game, hm? I am basically running off the idea that you aren't actually trying to figure out my alignment. The complete tunnel on how my vote switch to bf HAD to be mafia, without even considering the possibility of a townie view point. You don't ask me any questions. You don't read my past game. To me it doesn't look like you care whether I am scum or not, you just want to lynch me. | ||
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On June 22 2015 06:15 GlowingBear wrote: If I claimed yesterday I would be dead at night without a check. I relied on fighting the lynch with all my might and gamble on being able to check someone at night. Who did you check then? | ||
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HF why are you ignoring yam. Do you think yam is town? If you think there is a chance that yam is mafia isnt it 1000x better to lynch him and leave an un cc detective alive. | ||
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So we know we have a jk/vanisher right (kp stopped n1)If they protected gb last night, no way he could have gotten a check off. So gbs story is 1) didnt claim day1 when the lynch was insanely close in the hopes that people who he thinks are mafia (me) would randomly switch to boxer. 2) then after claiming day2 mafia proceed to not shoot or rb him and 3) the jk apparently must not have protected the claimed dt either. All of these things have to be true for gb to actually be dt. Doesn't it seem more likely that gb fake claimed dt day 2 when he looked fucked and now is fake claiming a red check to get one of the 2 mislynches needed? | ||
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On June 25 2015 04:06 GlowingBear wrote: No, because if I mislynch, I'm dead day4, so IT would be way easier for me, for example, to claim bring roleblocked or to claim having Breshke green checked If you are a dt you could have very easily died day1 but chose to take a risk and not claim. Clearly you don't mind gambling, maybe you know hf is miller, maybe you think you can talk your way out it by saying there was a framer etc. Mafia only needs 2 mislynches to win and you could be trying to mislynching one of the last strong townies. Seems worth it to me. You would have to explain why you are still alive eventually anyway might as well just go for it. | ||
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Gb you seem more confident that I am scum than holy, but you want to lynch him just because it says more about your alignment? That's it? | ||
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N1 I tracked someone to bugs, bugs didnt die so would guess I tracked either jk or mafia trying to shoot him. N2 I tracked GB and he didnt go anywhere. I was hoping if the jk did protect him so maybe he would back me up about this. If you dont believe me ask yourself this in a 13 v 4 set up wouldnt a jk, dt and 2 town confirmed masons be fucking op? Even having a tracker is crazy strong. Gb is full of shit. If he were actually a dt he would have claimed at the end of day1, he wouldnt have risked dying. Mafia wouldnt have completely ignored him day2 and jk wouldnt have not protected n2. | ||
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Rsoul do you believe town would have a dt jk and 2 town confirmed masons. Doesnt seem op to you? | ||
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On June 25 2015 06:16 rsoultin wrote: protecting claimed dt prevents a check? what would be the point? i mean jk still could, but i know when i played the role i was like fuck that. they can get a check off (maybe) and if they don't and are killed at least we can be sure they're actually dt...kinda pointless to speculate here I dont know but I know gb didnt go anywhere last night so if he was jkd I would have someone to back me up. | ||
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Mafia. I am on my phone in a tourney cant post a million times with hands going on. | ||
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How do we actually know they are masons? Every lynch has been between 2 townies. And who is leading the town to these lynches? Our "confirmed town" masons. I wouldnt be surprised it these guys were laughing their asses off at us. Would make sense for why the game has been so hard. | ||
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In hindsight I was wrong but it really seemed like he was bsing and trying to get a mislynch. So I did my duty to get him lynched | ||
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Hf and nydus not even considering the possibilty | ||
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Lynching me wont change my alignment and the game will still be over. So anyone who is town needs to be thinking about every possibility right now. | ||
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2nd game back and shrug. I am not the first townie to fake claim what can I say. I thought it would work. | ||
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On June 25 2015 08:40 Damdred wrote: No, let mig answer. He successfully said that he tracked someone to bugs and that person either blocked a kp or saved them. How would he know this information if he isn't tracker? I guessed. Hf/bugs seemed like the most likely save targets since they were pushing the gb wagon and were active all day. So had a 50/50 shot. | ||
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On June 27 2015 01:44 NydusHerMain wrote: Can we like expedite this day/night phase? We all know MiG is dying and then we'll see tomorrow You want to give up 24 hours in Lylo? Sounds smart. Is no one concerned at how easily I am being lynched here, there is 0 resistance. Ask yourselves is it really more likely that I am going to flip red than hf who has a red check on him? Or Damdred who convienetly hasn't be around for every single lynch? I took a shot and it didn't work out but I think most people havent even read my posts this game. | ||
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Scum team is probably damdred/onegu/hf/ then nydus/shockeyy | ||
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Thats for hosting hts/fecal. You guys did a great job. | ||
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Mig
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Day 1 town played poorly / wbg and hf played great. There were something like 140 pages by the time day2 started, which is wayyyy too big for a game of this size. Wbg and hf just shit up the thread with endless tunneling and arguing non stop. The chances of a mafia being lynched in that environment are low. In every game there are going to be lazy/busy townies and when the thread is 100 pages of completely pointless arguments they are going to skim or not read posts at all. The problem that some active townies have is that they cant help but respond to every post directed at them, mafia can use these townies to help derail the thread. A lot of times once it becomes clear that someone is completely tunneled in it is a lot better to only start selectively responding to their posts and instead use your time to discuss things with other people. | ||
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