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rsoultin
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why? lol >< yes, yes, a million times yes he's done this as town far too often hell he says things like "don't force me to claim" and then "i'm vt" in some of his town games -facedesks- i don't specifically remember him doing it as scum (i guess it's possible) but at best it's nai >> wbg, you specifically said you feel bad with the idea of lynching me now why? okay hf, i think we're finally getting to the point where you're starting to look town to me @.@ -beats gb- you're boring me lately | ||
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On June 18 2015 05:25 Holyflare wrote: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/487093-mafia-in-the-himalayas?page=30#591 there's no way somebody reading the thread can get that confused it's like 2 posts separating it i actually agree with this in a skim, especially just a filter skim, maybe...but you'd expect him to have gone back and checked it when he'd already been told he was wrong :/ and regardless he was clearly aware of my post so he had to have seen the posts in the thread, since hf wasn't quoting me i'm fine with a bf lynch...i'd kind of expected him to come back with something else since he said he still needed to read | ||
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rsoultin
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i see no reason to lynch ls over his claim if he's scum he's being coached to do it specifically to break meta and rit...claiming vt and blue claiming are a bit different...can we at least agree that one of those actions is inherently riskier than the other? | ||
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i'm going to continue to defy nhm cause i think it's hilarious that (she?) thinks that even if she's generally townread she can single-handedly get me lynched (hint, lovely: townread =/= right necessarily or that you have enough thread pull for it xP), cause i despise threats in general...while yes hypocritically making them woot \o/ but mostly cause i want to review everything which i couldn't do on my phone ^^ out for a bit then i'll be back, in my own time -ksc -shocckey were the two everyone's interested in, i think? leaning toward bf right now though | ||
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On June 18 2015 06:12 Mig wrote: Hi I am here, few things I noticed so far 1) very unlikely that onegu/LS are both mafia together. They would have had to have planned out their beginning interaction with onegu claiming vt and LS snap attacking it and posting another game where he did it as scum. Seems unlikely considering LS reputation as lazy scum and the fact that onegu just disappeared from the thread after it. 2) gb's reactions to rsoul are extremely shady GB starts with an extremely soft defense and deflection away from rs + Show Spoiler + On June 17 2015 11:15 GlowingBear wrote: I usually ignore her until LYLO. If she is alive we just vote her. I'm not really putting too much thought on her right now. Time will tell. But following this you pretty much immediately vote her even tho you later defend her by saying you shouldn't vote for people with the longest filters day1 (why did you vote for her in the first place then?) While Gbs vote is still on her you say this + Show Spoiler + On June 17 2015 12:58 GlowingBear wrote: By the way, trust the tone read rsoultin gives on damdred and me I've been discussing games with her for a long while and he does that every time. And she does it correctly. Like, I told her I was freezingfoot last game and she said: you're scum right? you don't feel like town gb I trust her tone reads as genuine What is rubbing me the wrong way is the shitfight she entered and the refusal to get off of it. If you are unsure of her alignment why are you telling people to trust her tone read on you? A lot of this strikes me as TMI, as in you already know rsouls alignment. You were willing to go along with possibly lynching her when bugs was pushing hard and the sentiment was against her but once it started to turn you softly back paddled. And now you are only focusing on lynching into lurkers. Along with all of this GB has like 20 town reads already but does he have any scum reads on people who aren't lurkers? So a couple questions GB, definitively do you think rsoul is more likely town or mafia? Also, who out of the active people do you think is the most likely to be mafia? I assume you dont believe the entire mafia team are within the lurkers. Rsoul I would also like to hear whether you think your tone read holds up on Gb and whether you think he is still town simply because he is disorganized. rsoul code: boring = bad = dropping read i'll revisit later though i can't keep up on my phone...it's true that i was right the one time when i just read his smurf filter and he was hyperfocused on blah but i've been wrong on him, too, and yes that post did kinda read weird to me but in all honesty the "trust rsoul anyway" bit...and maybe this is poor reasoning...sounded like maybe town hedging bets in case i turned out to be scum. he knows i'm town if he's scum, so he shouldn't need to say that at all i guess the other way to read that is it allows him to continue scumreading me, but that's not how i interpreted it the first time i read it | ||
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On June 18 2015 06:17 GlowingBear wrote: KSC isn't going to be lynched today and I will fight his lynch with all my might. and i will actually read the cases people are bringing. if you'd like to counter it, be my guest  is there a reason you demanded my presence beyond asking where damdy and i were pointlessly? | ||
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On June 18 2015 06:24 KelsierSC wrote: this bf thing ... i think the scum read he gave on you, hf, is bad. I also think If i'm reading the thread it is pretty obvious that your response is not to rsol's large post just above it. his absence from the thread is probably more telling than the case itself. It feels like he felt that he had to post something and just vomited a read and then left. If he returns maybe there will be more to judge him on but i'd happily lynch him. he did return to do nothing but defend his read  | ||
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On June 18 2015 06:25 Mig wrote: Regarding LS, why are people instantly believing his claim? What exactly has LS done to show he is town other than the claim? Starts off with the instant attacking onegu for claiming vt, struck me as trying to make a big deal out of completely nothing. People claim VT all the time. Follows it up with buddying up to bugs just non stop, completely plausible thing for a fishy mafia to try and buddy up to the guy who caught him last game. When asked for his scum reads he is incredibly wishy washy + Show Spoiler + On June 18 2015 02:13 LightningStrike wrote: It's only a weak scumread right now and would like to talk to him more when he gets backs so I can confirm my read plus have others give me their thoughts and see if align with my own thoughts. Also I did have a somewhat recent game as town when I didn't have a scumread for the first 48 hours so therefore you logic isn't exactly a scum tell  The game that I didn't have a scumread for the first 48 hours was Games of Thrones Mini recently if you want to check it out.And ends up saying he decided to vote for shockey because other people were on him (easy way to deflect blame if shockey flips town). Even his motto for handling rsoul is a straight copy from GB + Show Spoiler + On June 18 2015 02:43 LightningStrike wrote: Also the best rule on rsoultin is that if she gets to LYLO you just lynch her because she is more likely scum when she hits LYLO from her recent games. LS do you actually have any original thoughts? Who besides shockey do you think is likely to be scum? ehhhh mostly just that he has this annoying habit (the same thing onegu was talking about, as we've both explained to him why it's bad ><) of claiming at the first sign of pressure to the point of ridiculousness (i.e. with hardly any or very few votes on him) he did this d1 in greymist's last massive themed game just because hf and i were expressing suspicions. 2 people in a game of nearly 30 with no votes on him i don't think i've seen him do it as scum? and i'm already townreading him for tone/meta reasons...he usually doesn't push much of anything as scum, for one...even though he knows this i kinda agree with damdy that ls seems to have a hard time (or lack motivation) to fix even the smallest things in his mafia game | ||
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rsoultin
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i needs food \o/ and probably don't need to spam the thread with more blah before doing the digging i wanted to do you and your distractions, mig xP can you please comment on ksc, shocckey and...eh lol might as well with hf as well (ls don't use that meta. oneg's a git, but the whole "we don't get along" when one of us is scum thing is actually not as broad as it's being painted. it has to do with what hf chooses to focus on, like nitpicking the shit out of unimportant things...which really irritates me and that's why we don't get along...however i think where that happened this time might have had to do with my damn phone and regardless i don't trust other people to make the read properly :/ so respectfully find your own xP) | ||
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On June 18 2015 06:36 Mig wrote: + Show Spoiler + On June 18 2015 06:32 rsoultin wrote: ehhhh mostly just that he has this annoying habit (the same thing onegu was talking about, as we've both explained to him why it's bad ><) of claiming at the first sign of pressure to the point of ridiculousness (i.e. with hardly any or very few votes on him) he did this d1 in greymist's last massive themed game just because hf and i were expressing suspicions. 2 people in a game of nearly 30 with no votes on him i don't think i've seen him do it as scum? and i'm already townreading him for tone/meta reasons...he usually doesn't push much of anything as scum, for one...even though he knows this i kinda agree with damdy that ls seems to have a hard time (or lack motivation) to fix even the smallest things in his mafia game I find it pretty suspect to just believe his claim because he hasn't done it as scum yet. I mean it is going to happen eventually right? Is LS just going to play for the rest of his life always claiming whenever he is a town blue? Pretty convenient that his claim happens to be a named VT also, the one blue claim he can make where he doesnt have to do anything. Regarding pushing people, is he really pushing shockey at all? It seems more like parroting other people to me. Tone stuff I can't really argue with, I need to read his other games. i think it's normal to believe a blue claim when you're already townreading the player and he's claimed for equally poor reasons in similar situations -shrugs- it's more suspect if people suddenly reverse their reads? i don't think i saw any of that...unless you count oneg, but he didn't call him scum lol >< | ||
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rsoultin
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Not lynching ls by a slightly lesser degree Next, damdy? | ||
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I like him | ||
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On June 18 2015 07:24 Damdred wrote: That's not good enough for me RS and you know it Trust me? | ||
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On June 18 2015 07:30 Damdred wrote: ...whatever Threads not fun to read at all and I was really looking forward to this game. I'll probably just sheep Ritoky or HF when the time comes. Any questions for me just ask daaaamdy talk to me about your other scumread(s) yeah? | ||
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On June 18 2015 07:30 Holyflare wrote: gb you gonna do anything? valid damdy, you still townreading gb? | ||
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On June 18 2015 07:39 GlowingBear wrote: Not now I kinda don't feel like reading the game Will do something later ... gb maybe scum after all liked yesterday but today was crap and then this | ||
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rsoultin
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but you know...say something worth talking about xP or read the game or read the filters of the people being scumread/voted on at least you know, the normal things -_- | ||
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On June 18 2015 07:42 Fidei86 wrote: I guess I could put this another way - I read elsewhere on the forums that there is a happy medium for a town, in between too lurky (nobody can get reads) and too active (everything important gets swept away by a tidal wave of bullshit). At the moment I think we're waaaaay too far over to the latter right now, meaning that scum can easily skate by whilst all the active town just yell at each other. Part of me not wanting to start trying to get involved in the back and forth is that I'm just concerned I'm going to be adding even further to the clutter. why don't you and i play a game...let's do some work and dump things in the thread when we're done...no talking until then ^^ how's that? (you posting or not posting at this point will not change runaway thread) | ||
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On June 18 2015 07:56 Damdred wrote: Please don't ignore me, I need attention before I go to my corner. i'm sorry damdy! multi-tasking breshke being in australia means i don't expect him to post until right about nowish anyway, which is why i've been ignoring all the random calls to look into him lol >< gb is on my list to review...i dunnae he's seemed pretty sideline lately but maybe a filter dive will show me otherwise so you no longer think that one response to me is enough to make shocckey town? it was why i was sidelining him for the day | ||
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rsoultin
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be townie? lol nah seriously you don't feel that interested to me today i'm just not gonna bother with people saying i'm "town" until lylo...i always feel that people overestimate my scumgame, but most continue to do it anyway, and it doesn't make them scum | ||
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