Mafia in the Himalayas - Page 9

On June 17 2015 08:45 LightningStrike wrote:
Also my thoughts so far:
Town:
Bugs: Meta read says he's town he poking at others and having a big ego :O
ritoky: Seemed to be posting freely which I usually associate with him being town just wish he had reads that weren't all null
Nydus: Has decent content so far this game just wish he would post more stuff!
KSC: Despite the fact I hate his attitude towards me and bugs I think he's town he actually prodding stuff and trying to direct the thread a little bit which I normally seen from him in past games.
GB: He seems like his care free self this game although I can see how he would react to a insult from Bugs but otherwise I liking him a little bit
Breshke: Didn't fall for a trap by GB and actually thinking critically this game.
Null:
Everyone else since not a lot posts by others from what I saw.

On June 18 2015 11:23 LightningStrike wrote:
Okay I back and decided to filter dive HF since I said I would and on content he's town in my book despite me not liking his first two pages of his filter but don't lynch him Day 1 guys he better to lynch later like Day 3 or Day 4 when he shouldn't ever be alive based on reputation (He normally Night 1d or Night 2d as town).The replaced guy actually looks pretty townie from what I looked at idk why BM would not post at all or play when he /confirmed but his replacement actually doing some stuff I adding him to the town pile for now.

On June 17 2015 08:04 LightningStrike wrote:

Any thoughts on other people atm? I would like to know what you thinking that's all.

On June 17 2015 08:11 LightningStrike wrote:

Ugh can you tell me what your reads are atm based on stuff happening?

On June 17 2015 20:40 KelsierSC wrote:


well this is interesting. I completely disagree with this I think his posting has been terrible.

I think the list post with everyone on it and 1/2 words was scummy , he didn't read what damdred had posted and when he got called out on it he tried to cover up. In fact when the pressure went on him he went pretty defensive imo.

It is strange that you like his content when.





you need to give me more than you like his content and it is "okayish" it feels like you didn't even read him at all...

On June 17 2015 21:01 KelsierSC wrote:


look... what? I think you edited a word out.

So I asked you to give a read on shockeyy..you said he looked okay without reading him properly? that seems very strange.
Also this makes no sense to me.



you don't like his lost post or his reasons but you felt his reason for scum reading you is genuine? His reasoning is that he is playing like he did last game, but now you are saying that isn't true...

On June 18 2015 02:01 KelsierSC wrote:


lol no

Everything i wrote about you still stands, you keep trying to call everyone town, when I caught you for not reading shockeyy you come up with a "hmm maybe he doesn't look as good" backtrack.

now you get pressed for a scum read and then you come up with this
maybe Shockeyy has a chance of flipping scum although a lowish chance hence why I asking peoples opinions on him before I go all in on him
where you basically hedge your bets on him like you know he is actually town or something. You say it is a lowish chance...why?
also if it is a lowish chance why would you "go all in" on him as you call it.
You are trying to be everyones buddy and call everyone town and the one time i push you to actually give a scum read you come out with waffly shit that your scum read is likely to be town anyway.

On June 18 2015 03:40 KelsierSC wrote:


is this really all you have to say to my questions? You said shockey was "okish" and had a "low chance to flip scum". now you have apparently seen things differently.

I already gave my reasons when you had called him ok.

You got the wrong reasons for why nydus called him scummy, it wasn't to do with the list post at all.

Rsoultin was unsure and you then told her to sheep you, which was the stupidest thing I have ever seen.

So how did this change of opinion come about?

you haven't been reading the thread properly as shown by your questioning. you have just vomitted into the thread tried to call everyone town, post links to bullshit games no one cares about. now you are stuck in a trap.

100% mafia.

On June 18 2015 06:44 KelsierSC wrote:


you decided to re-read after mig commented on it...yeh I guess he is the only one who brought it up??
you said boxer is newish so why is he scum not new now?

when hf pinged him out you defended bf because he was a new player but what has changed, the posts are still the same.

On June 18 2015 06:47 KelsierSC wrote:


lol

On June 18 2015 07:14 KelsierSC wrote:


i'm not going to do that

your scum reads are totally arbitrary , you throw this hf scum read totally out of nowhere..ALONGSIDE A BF SCUM READ.

WHICH YOU ONLY GOT AFTER READING MIG....

EVEN THOUGH HF IS THE ONE WHO BROUGHT IT UP FIRST

YOU KNOW...THE OTHER GUY YOU SCUM READ>

but you probably didn't read that part either...like when you defended bf without reading him either.

holy shit why aren't there 13/14 votes on LS right now jesus christ.

On June 18 2015 13:25 LightningStrike wrote:

TLDR Case on Shockeyy:
1. His list post was rather shitty in terms of reasons
2. He been making excuses for his poor play
3. Some of posts seemed forced
I will to vote Boxerfred if Shockeyy doesn't appear to be the lynch today but I think Shockeyy is worse than Boxer atm.

On June 18 2015 15:53 LightningStrike wrote:
Damn I just can't fall asleep I thought I was tired enough but apparently my body is saying nope -_- With people going to Boxerfred and I prob need to vote to save myself and liking some of the stuff people said about him (HF and Mig mainly) and the Shockeyy lynch doesn't look like it going to happen so I will put it on hold and will switch to Boxerfred now.
##Unvote
##Vote: Boxerfred

On June 19 2015 00:29 GlowingBear wrote:
My problem here is: if you're town, you're not helping your team when you don't narrow a lynch list for today and discuss it with your townreads.

This kind of disorganisation always lead into a mislynch, since it's very easy for scum to manipulate people into voting who they want to.

On June 19 2015 00:57 GlowingBear wrote:
Bugs could be Mafia but he isn't being lynched today

The ones you said, I could get behind yamato, bf and shockey

Gonna make a case on Breshke later

On June 19 2015 01:05 wherebugsgo wrote:
yamato what do you make of the fact that GB just told me I'm apparently not helping town by attempting to consolidate yet he posts a list of players he'd like to lynch, none of whom are likely to get lynched today?

On June 19 2015 01:12 wherebugsgo wrote:
actually even more interesting is the fact that GB wanted to lynch onegu earlier but now in that list of players he doesn't mention onegu at all

and he apparently has a "case" on breshke coming up?



says the dude that is chiding others for not helping to consolidate yet is willing to lynch like 6 different people

On June 18 2015 15:16 GlowingBear wrote:


I've reevaluated him later, he looks like town Onegu.

On June 18 2015 14:32 GlowingBear wrote:
This should be the lynch list to discuss today:

- Lohengramm
- ShoCkeyy
- Fidei86
- Breshke
- Mig
- VayneAuthority
- boxerfred

Not in order.

Rsoultin and ritoky, is there anyone from here you don't want to lynch today?

On June 17 2015 12:46 GlowingBear wrote:


I meant that his need to claim VT right away felt like he was trying to gain towncred (as he was scumread for not claiming VT in another game), and this need to gain towncred fits better a mafia perspective than town perspective in my opinion.

Actually, I decided to go re-read his filter and I've got another impression on his opening. It felt... bored. Meh. Breshke is right, my read on Onegu is weak.

Rescinding the scumread now.

On June 19 2015 01:25 Holyflare wrote:
Also gb how on earth am i supposed to know you're town? You're pushing basically 0 people. You complain about thread not consolidating and then just make arbitrary lists of low content posters while exclaiming you just won't read actual cases on people.

You said you were gonna sheep me and did while exclaiming your dislike for the wagon based on 0 reasons (on rsoul, identical to you as mafia in got) you then just did absolutely nothing till i forced you to and have still done nothing. You're all about getting the thread to do stuff while doing no stuff and picking out weird things that don't make people mafia to push on with these weird fake questions too.

Please explain to me how that should equate to a town gb.

On June 17 2015 12:47 wherebugsgo wrote:


care to explain or are you just white knighting here

On June 19 2015 01:35 GlowingBear wrote:
My wording is TERRIBLE in my latest post

Tell me if you can understand. In case you can't, I will rewrite it

On June 19 2015 01:37 GlowingBear wrote:


Exactly!!!

On June 19 2015 01:50 ShoCkeyy wrote:


town:
nhm - nhm's posting just reads town motivated, but he probably will drop to town lean due to his inactivity.
ritoky - I like your posting style from the start, it probably rubs off the wrong way to certain people, but I found it easy to be able to communicate with you

town lean:
breshke - He really comes off as my highest town lean atm, his posting is like the game before and he was town with me.
damdred - my reasons before.
rsoul - her post below put her into the town lean last night. Still wary because she talks about LS as if he can't be scum.

scum lean:
LS - Read filter, I gave quite a few good points on him.
bugs - His case will come afterwards, but his protection of LS just seems weird
+ Show Spoiler +
lohen - based on thread and points brought up on him. He's new to the game, but still hasn't really posted much...



But what makes it the same as his previous claims? And I mentioned to him that it's easy to change meta, what are your thoughts on that?



Did you ever read my filter? And why do you base games on largest filters? I don't get it, I have a small filter and I'm pro town. How does a large filter benefit town when trying to make cases on scum?



Bolded the necessary points so you can start understanding.

On June 19 2015 01:49 wherebugsgo wrote:


yes.

I didn't miss shit. I am simply pointing out how I think there is no real reason to lynch bf. Being able to summarize something after you've read it requires a different type of content. Basically, your posts don't stand out to me because they don't really point out things I necessarily agree with, with the exception on some of the things you said about GB. Admittedly it's also really hard to pay attention to everything when the game gets inflated by 500 posts while I was asleep and away from the thread.

This prompted me to reread btw, with your filter side by side. You actually didn't really post on BF that much, which is probably why I remember you arguing with rsoultin more than bf.

In fact one of the posts is just a quote of two of your previous posts (one of which was just a response to rsoultin) followed by a quote of your own vote. Beyond that you don't really do anything except inflate the impression that you are pushing him a lot and completely ignoring anything that could lead to the idea that BF is town.

In particular if you just read this response to you here:



No matter what you think was scummy about any of BF's posts, this one should wipe them all out. He actually confronts you and responds to you in a manner that no new scum ever would do under the face of that kind of suspicion. He uses really fucking weird logic but that doesn't make him scum, just bad. That's no surprise given that this dude has played like 3 games up to this point.

Given his open honesty and forthright perspective upon what made him actually post that stuff I don't see how you can still think he is scum.

He admittedly hasn't done anything aside from that post and a couple of others but his attitude is fine and his opinions make sense from a new town perspective. I think the only thing scummy about him is that he hasn't come back yet but that can easily be explained by the fact that this game looks like it will easily surpass 2000 posts before the end of today. Indeed even though we only have 4 more players than both Witchcraft and the game I hosted, this game already has more posts than witchcraft (which includes the endgame!) and it is on par to exceed my game as well pretty soon. My game was a 4 cycle affair and in it boxerfred did not post as much and did not have much motivation to post given how people treated him, so I wouldn't be at all surprised if he feels the same here, in a situation where we have like 3x the posting activity.

On June 19 2015 02:00 wherebugsgo wrote:


or, you know, the fact that this is a retarded opinion if you are town and actually incredibly indicative that you are scum

Let's break it down. From a GB=town perspective first: it's not at all helpful because you eliminate entire possibilities when scumhunting and you invite scum to be more active by saying, "oh if you're more active we won't lynch you!" Townies, on the other hand, are not going to give a shit because they will continue to play like they will play and they could honestly not give a fuck what a player like you thinks. Indeed this is one of the biggest problems with using surface-level things like activity to attempt to scum hunt because you end up shooting yourself in the foot. You maybe catch the low activity scum if you are lucky or manage to use other clues to find them but it is incredibly rare that you can nail an entire team or even a significant portion of a team that way. It certainly wouldn't have worked in the game we played in together where you were scum, where all 3 scum members were active (AND YOU SHOULD FUCKING KNOW THAT IF YOU ARE TOWN) whereas town almost mislynched into some dude that was going to get modkilled anyway, and all the other lynch candidates would obviously not have flipped town like Shockey and Shining and Tubesock and whoever else was in that game and was scummy.

So, if you are town in this game GB you should stop pushing anti town things and pushing like 7 different people with no reasons.

On the other hand if you imagine this from a GB=scum perspective this is actually really great for GB scum to say this. If GB scum says we're only lynching inactives, it's easy to get town support because no one likes inactives. Reading active people is hard so it's really easy to fake scum reads on inactive players. Indeed this fits best with GB's style this game because he asserts he is "reaction fishing" when in reality this is just a thin veil to look for town sentiment. Similarly in the previous game where he was scum, GB was more than willing to let LS, his scum teammate, live on day 1 but instead he wanted to push someone like Stutters who wasn't doing shit.

Why else would he ask me whether I would lynch VA randomly yet offer none of his own thought process? This in particular is very scummy because he was the one that prodded me for not providing opinions, yet when I do he offers absolutely nothing in return! At no point did GB actually make any sort of reasonable attempt to work with me despite claiming to want to do so. Indeed, he actually undermines what I am doing by saying that I am not attempting to get town to consolidate yet being the biggest offender by far of the very things he is accusing others of doing. Lastly, the whole "we're not going to lynch actives" thing is great for his scum style because as he proved in the last game, he is a very active scum player. When pushing the idea that we shouldn't lynch active players because it's a bad idea, he's masking his own style as scum because he himself is an active scum player. It's merely a stone that he is using to knock out multiple birds at once-it's a play in his own self interest in multiple ways.

That coupled with his complete lack of reads and reasons this game pretty much confirms he is scum.

On June 19 2015 02:06 NydusHerMain wrote:


This reaction doesn't feel genuine to me.

On June 19 2015 02:09 wherebugsgo wrote:


if you are town do you legitimately find these posts useful?

Like, maybe I should just continue ignoring you even though I think you are more likely to be town now, but I would say you are one of the top 3 reasons this thread is so huge and full of useless posts, like, for example this one. Antagonizing people for reactions might be useful but just doing it just to do it is completely pointless if you are town.

I realize this may sound weird coming from me, one of the most aggressive players on the forum, but I'm pretty sure the reason that some of these players in this game aren't posting is because there are so many posts in this game and so many of them from you in particular are hostile.