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Fidei86
Profile Joined May 2015
United Kingdom2116 Posts
July 01 2015 00:03 GMT
#4931
Best of luck to him.
Fidei86
Profile Joined May 2015
United Kingdom2116 Posts
July 01 2015 08:55 GMT
#4940
NHM the only thing I have to go on is last game, where he was incredibly vocal (some might say obnoxious :-)) all game, took the lead and didn't seem to give a crap about what other people thought). This game it's like the opposite. I know he says he doesn't care about his meta, but I would be voting him on that alone.

Can someone check whether ritoky ever gave a read on Damdred? He was a relatively early NK and he and Dandred claim to "soul read" each other.
Fidei86
Profile Joined May 2015
United Kingdom2116 Posts
July 01 2015 09:20 GMT
#4942
Yeah I'm the above - it's not a "soul" read by any stretch, it's just what I'm going on.
Fidei86
Profile Joined May 2015
United Kingdom2116 Posts
July 01 2015 10:56 GMT
#4944
Let us not speak ill of the dead
Fidei86
Profile Joined May 2015
United Kingdom2116 Posts
July 01 2015 12:28 GMT
#4945
One more post incriminating HF, then I'll be busy for most of the rest of the evening.

Look at the posts leading up to the Shockey lynch. In particular, look at how Shockey describes Onegu. People talk about bussing all the time in lylo. But here we're in a slightly strange situation, where we were 5 town and 2 mafia. The chance of a mislynch is higher. By the end Shockey is begging everyone to move to Onegu.

I do not think it is realistic that the mafia do not attempt to start a single town wagon all day. I just don't buy it. That means that one of HF and Onegu must be town. However, I don't see that HF and Onegu can possibly be on the same team, since they were both trying so so hard to get each other lynched.

It is possible that there is some sort of weird bus thing going on that is too next level for me too understand. But Occam's razor suggests that the most likely explanation is also the correct one. Here, the most likely explanation is that HF and Shockey are mafia together, with a third (one of Damdred or Ruxx), and that they were desperately trying to get a mislynch onto Onegu to win the game.

That, and HF has been wrong about literally every lynch we have had. He fought for GB's lynch even after there was super strong evidence that Mig was the better lynch. He said that the game was over if we voted for Shockkey.

The reason I think it is Damdred is that Damdred keeps deflecting off HF. He's done it twice now - once on the whole red check thing, and once on the bit where I pointed out that HF was continually wrong about everything.

It's Damdred and HF folks. It's that simple. Keep voting them off after I die.

Thanks.

*drops mic*
Fidei86
Profile Joined May 2015
United Kingdom2116 Posts
July 01 2015 12:33 GMT
#4946
*picks up mic*

Also this can be done by process of elimination:

NHM and LS move onto Shockey, even though I'm desperately trying to lynch HF. No way they're scum.
I'm town :-)
We have the save on Ruxx from the start, plus the fact that WBG was literally the spammiest poster on day 1, which I guess is town indicated. Plus Ruxx has put a lot of work into his reads, particularly early on.

That leaves the scum team as including Onegu, HF and Damdred.

No way that HF and Onegu are on the same team, and HF's close alignment to Shockey makes it seem much more likely to me that they're on the same team. Therefore it's HF and Damdred.

*re-drops mic*
Fidei86
Profile Joined May 2015
United Kingdom2116 Posts
July 01 2015 12:35 GMT
#4947
Edit: we were 5 town and 3 mafia, but the same point stands.
Fidei86
Profile Joined May 2015
United Kingdom2116 Posts
July 01 2015 12:37 GMT
#4948
Also HF, just so you know, I'm sure you have an extremely long and whiny post forming in your head at this point. I just want to say that how you've played this game has been very disappointing if you are town. The reason for that is that you should understand that when you're town, you're constantly sure everyone is lying all the time. Everything that goes into these threads is potentially someone lying. Getting as upset as you have been getting in this thread is just ridiculous. You know I'm town, and you know I'm now trying to win. Your constant accusations that I'm not have been jarring.

If you're mafia, that's acceptable, because ... you know ... you're trying to convince everyone that I'm wrong. If you're town, then it's just sad.
Fidei86
Profile Joined May 2015
United Kingdom2116 Posts
July 01 2015 14:08 GMT
#4952
My read on HF above does not rely in any way upon the red check.

But the fact that you discounted it so quickly is concerning to me. It surely *has* to be considered, otherwise what is the point of even having a cop? Even if you think there are other things that are more important, to just brush it off is pointless.
Fidei86
Profile Joined May 2015
United Kingdom2116 Posts
July 01 2015 14:18 GMT
#4953
There's a difference between not listening and listening but not agreeing.
Fidei86
Profile Joined May 2015
United Kingdom2116 Posts
July 01 2015 14:38 GMT
#4956
If you're scum, I respect the way you're going about it much more than I respect Damdred's way
Fidei86
Profile Joined May 2015
United Kingdom2116 Posts
July 01 2015 15:12 GMT
#4958
Damdred - insulting us based upon your supposed town v mafia meta isn't helping. I haven't played a game with you while you're scum, so I'm not able to give you a meta scum read. All I can say is that you've played very differently to the last game, where you were town.
Fidei86
Profile Joined May 2015
United Kingdom2116 Posts
July 01 2015 16:08 GMT
#4960
I do have a 'meta' read on you, but that's not the main reason I'm pushing you. I'm pushing you because you keep deflecting off HF, who is my number 1 scum read. And also for the reasons ruxx just gave, which look pretty solid to me.
Fidei86
Profile Joined May 2015
United Kingdom2116 Posts
July 01 2015 16:50 GMT
#4962
It's hardly idiotic to deflect. We might not have noticed the deflect. And it's contributing to the growing sense in town that we should ignore the red check. Obviously if you and HF are the scum team, you want to downplay that as much as we can. If you're actually town, maybe you think that. But the point I'm trying to make is that we don't know whether to believe what you're saying or not, because you might be mafia. So we have to evaluate what we see on its face.
Fidei86
Profile Joined May 2015
United Kingdom2116 Posts
July 01 2015 16:51 GMT
#4963
EBWOP

It's hardly idiotic to deflect. We might not have noticed the deflect. And it's contributing to the growing sense in town that we should ignore the red check. Obviously if you and HF are the scum team, you want to downplay that as much as you can. If you're actually town, maybe you just think that. But the point I'm trying to make is that we don't know whether to believe what you're saying or not, because you might be mafia. So we have to evaluate what we see on its face.
Fidei86
Profile Joined May 2015
United Kingdom2116 Posts
July 01 2015 16:56 GMT
#4965
They are fair points, but that doesn't mean that it isn't what you're doing. You could, of course, be doing it, ready in the knowledge that you can make those points to defend yourself if you get picked up on it.
Fidei86
Profile Joined May 2015
United Kingdom2116 Posts
July 01 2015 16:56 GMT
#4966
Also barely anybody seems to think HF is scum at the moment. I tried my hardest to get him lynched yesterday, and I couldn't.
Fidei86
Profile Joined May 2015
United Kingdom2116 Posts
July 01 2015 17:15 GMT
#4971
The only way that it's an Oneg, HF, Shockey team is that all three wagons that got started were all on mafia. That makes no sense to me. Why would mafia not even try to start a mislynch? Screw town-cred, they can just win the game that day with a town wagon. If I were mafia, I would be willing to stick my neck out to get a mislynch. The risk (losing you) is much less than the reward (winning the game).
Fidei86
Profile Joined May 2015
United Kingdom2116 Posts
July 01 2015 17:27 GMT
#4974
Yeah but there were three other mafia people who could have tried to get a mislynch going. In fact, the only wagon shockey wanted on to was the Onegu one. It could be an elaborate ruse, but ... I dunno ... it seems more likely to me that it was genuine.
Fidei86
Profile Joined May 2015
United Kingdom2116 Posts
July 01 2015 17:32 GMT
#4979
@Damdred - so you're saying that HF is actually mafia?
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