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And at the same time, we have to ask ourselves why would mig go out of his way to claim get gb lynched and lynch himself.
There are only two answers at this point
1) Set up a mislynch on HF the next following day where a red check screwed up town and lost the game.
2) HF is the RB and is needed to block vayne so that the kill isn't blocked the next night.
If we believe option 2 then rux is more than likely not mafia at all.
Option one he still could be.
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I'm not saying that your logic is wrong HF in that he shouldn't be sheeping rsoultin so hard because of the trouble with the reads. All i'm saying is that its wrong of you to say that because he was wrong in those instances doesn't mean he was always wrong necessarily.
Let me be clear that I would much rather lynch Oneg today over HF, his lack of explanation regarding the vote on GB (his explanation as just consolidation) with his scum read LS makes me really want to lynch him, especially when scum mig could of been lynched instead in that situation I believe.
I really don't want to get into the nk wifom yet, however it is a valid point that a lot of people who ere nk early WERE town reading you. While I don't think that this clears you from suspicion because these were the people who were actively trying to figure the game out rather than rely on other people, it is important there reads.
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On June 30 2015 06:45 NydusHerMain wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2015 06:43 ruXxar wrote:On June 29 2015 10:38 Holyflare wrote: like i don't have to tell you how retarded it is to not be on a unanimous target regardless of what you think today Being on a unanimous target is a sign that we're voting off town or mafia bussing their teammate, with the first being more likely than the second. I don't like the feeling I get when a lynch goes through unanimously, unless there it's very clear that a target is going to be lynched. Which is why it's also important to look for the people that are pushing in opposite directions and discern their motivation for doing so. (maybe they are trying to save their mafia buddy from the train ?). If we're not voting unanimously and even one town votes on another town, mafia can swap all their votes at eod and we lose. That's why we need to pick one target
if it was 4 v 3 that would be true. But its not
As long as town has a majority on mafia one dumb town can exist.
On June 30 2015 06:46 NydusHerMain wrote: At the end of the day, it's on Fidei to pick the final lynch because he's guaranteed town
No, no its not.
On June 30 2015 06:58 ruXxar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2015 10:55 NydusHerMain wrote:On June 29 2015 10:51 Holyflare wrote:On June 29 2015 10:44 NydusHerMain wrote: She wanted to lynch MiG at the end and she wanted to lynch you quickly after. It's weird for her to finally die when she's been leading a shit ton of mislynches? Also, I'm not mafia so I'm just going to defend myself like you've been doing for the last couple of days. "ermahgerd I'm not mafia so like ya'll are dum dums"
Anyways, check MiG's filter peeps. Damdred is like his tunnelled scum for a while. I don't think Damdred should be on the table today for lynching. He also only talks about HF when asked to by RS. This bolded is quite a misrepresentation. I haven't been defending myself like you're insinuating and I find it unlikely that you can say that having said that you are reading the thread. On June 25 2015 02:51 NydusHerMain wrote:On June 25 2015 02:34 Holyflare wrote: why would you not read everything i wrote before coming to a conclusion? i think the things i've written are pretty damning anyway, for GB and Damdred at least You looked bored  so I gave a quick post before reading On June 25 2015 08:25 NydusHerMain wrote:On June 25 2015 08:22 Holyflare wrote: problem is i don't flip red I think that you trying so hard near the end makes you leaning town. What I'm thinking is that if MiG made that claim, he had to have been talking to his partners about it in mafia QT. Why would you be trying so hard as if you're the lynch if you're scum partners with MiG and know that he's about to fake claim? It's kinda awkward. I dunno. We'll see later on since this game is about to get into crazy LyLo and I'm unconfirmed so gonna make it til the end (hopefully). I find it hard how you can say the first bolded after making your stance on me clear the day before (above) Did you run out of mislynches to push? Nothing has changed since then other than rsoultin relentlessly tunneling on situations that didn't make sense and me correcting her. If you'd like a thorough explanation on why I'll be happy to provide it. Keep on keeping on with your scummy stance changes for no reason though! What the fuck? You think that if I'm mafia, you're the mislynch I try to land on? You think I'm going to run out of scummy people? Dude, if I'm scum, at least one of damdred, onegu, shockey is town. I can push damdred on inactivity, I can push onegu on inactivity and his LS push, I can push shockey for being scummy overall. Oh wait, I have been pushing on almost all of them this entire game. Everyone who's alive today? I've pushed on except for you until now. I also agree with nydus point here. Right now the absolutely easiest mislynch is Onegu(imo).
If I was mafia and onegu was town I would make her my #1 target right now and push her very hard. This is sort of a dilemma because he actually does appear really scummy and I don't agree with the way he plays or the logic he uses. However, since no one else seems to be shitting down onegu's throat, it makes me more inclined to believe he's actually mafia(why wouldn't mafia be all over a target that is such an easy mislynch?!) In my last game I got fooled by the "too obvious to be scum" idea in that I felt a certain person made such obviously scummy moves that no one would make it so obvious that they are scum. It burned me in the end when it turned out the person was scum all along and I hard defended him as town. I learned from this and at this point "too scummy to be scum" is not a valid excuse for me to not push someone.
I think this is a weird way to phrase what you actually mean about onegu? It looks weird to me at least.
And whats your conclusion on all of this?
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Like if there was one mafia left no frame had flipped and something like God father had already flipped I would say lynch hf with 100% right now. Maybe if godfather had already flipped, but it hasn't we don't know what the scum team is working for.
HOWEVER, we still are working with a three scum team and nobody is even trying to figure out who the other members are, they are trying to convince HF THAT HF IS SCUM!
This is possibly the most counter productive thing that we can do. Or pass off responsibility for a good lynch on confirmed town Fide.
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On June 30 2015 07:43 ruXxar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2015 04:04 Damdred wrote: And at the same time, we have to ask ourselves why would mig go out of his way to claim get gb lynched and lynch himself.
There are only two answers at this point
1) Set up a mislynch on HF the next following day where a red check screwed up town and lost the game.
2) HF is the RB and is needed to block vayne so that the kill isn't blocked the next night.
If we believe option 2 then rux is more than likely not mafia at all.
Option one he still could be. #1 I don't agree. There's no way mig could've known that VA would out himself. Without the claim by VA, I'm fairly certain it would've failed. Why not just let HF die and get +1 townkill before he died himself? Seems like a really dumb move to me. #2 is possibility but it's sort of out there... what made you think of this?
Ummmm I don't think you understand how #1 works. It doesn't revolve Vayne outing himself at all, however Scum knows that someone interacted in some way with Bugs night one. That's an added bonus.
And honestly, Mig was outed as mafia anyway in gbs world 100% anyway. Theres no way he should of lived through the night as the cop just pure disbelief of the claim and no reason to let him get another check anyway. And actually his claim was perfect to draw out the rb or jk (even though they knew it was a jk anyway).
And #2 happens all the time.
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oh my god I've been saying that for awhile now O_o....
Shockey isn't doing shit, oneg isn't doing shit.
LS isn't doing shit either which bothers me.
HF is doing the most, which granted isn't as alignment indicative but like I've been saying for the past 24 hours there are other mafia besides hf I you think hf is one.
Ruxars last post just feels fake btw
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Nhm why would you reluctantly follow onto everyone else in the game basically that isn't you and fid?
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On July 01 2015 01:01 Holyflare wrote: if you ever use statistics in a game of mafia with me again i will hunt you down till the ends of the earth and berate you for eternity even after that
statistics have no place in a game of mafia, at all
if you play based on statistics you will lose 50% of your games
if you play based on statistics then you aren't playing the game of mafia
if you play based on statistics you will never be good
My statistics show we have a 3/8 chance to hit mafia by rnging
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This is a really frustrating day, listen guys you are making this day about hf a million percent and forcing him to only defend himself. You aren't making him give reads or try to solve the game.
If he's scum and he gets lynched we have no real new information besides little blurbs so stop just attacking him make him talk about only other people and you do the same.
For example shockey asked me if I felt like oneg had done more, the answer is no I made an arbitrary list of people not doing jack shit inlylo and obviously don't care. They don't care
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I just won't ever understand why people just want to 100% sheep confirmed town that's being lazy over other reads that aren't confirmed but doing things. Its frustrating and bad pkay oh well.e
Anyway id probably rather lynch shockey today, weird d1 votes. D2 ran in without contributing to vote Yamato. Isn't trying to solve game today just get upset when he's called out
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Mafia isn't a game of maths though q.q.
and as long as 4 townies get majority on a mafia one town can do what they want, that's what you guys aren't getting.
I getting lunch be back
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Lol be here soon finishing a rush at work
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Idk why there has to be scum on shockey since...there are 5 town and three scum left?
Idk why hf is defending shockey like this when,shock really hasn't done much today?
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On July 01 2015 06:52 ShoCkeyy wrote:Show nested quote +On July 01 2015 06:50 Damdred wrote: Idk why there has to be scum on shockey since...there are 5 town and three scum left?
Idk why hf is defending shockey like this when,shock really hasn't done much today? And what have you done?...... Like you're seriously being ignorant.
Actually contributed while I'm here instead of being defensive and angry all the time
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On July 01 2015 06:54 Fidei86 wrote: Can we move onto Damdred? I'm giving it the old 360 no scope
I'll switch to make sure I'm lynched to so rs can berate you post game
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Let's do it then let's lynch me everyone move to me because confirmed town fideli says to go go go
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I should of trusted my gut on shockey but 6 on him,scared me to death
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Well... it there's two additional things to consider how.
Was ls framed for a green check (very unlikely with how shockey pushed him). I think he's town
Was hf framed. The night gb cop checked him. Its something to think about
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Ehhh yeah it makes me look bad made me nervous as he'll with 6 people on.
Its wifom but as scum I would of just road whatever cred I could,manage at that point.
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