On June 17 2015 12:42 GlowingBear wrote: It's a shame we have to come to this kind of discussion, really. Maybe you can have good reads and others don't, but your inability to work with people overwhelms any good town trait you may have, bugs.
I'm not unwilling to work with you. I just don't want to take your approach because I disagree with it.
What exactly do you think is the benefit of putting forth so many reads less than 5 hours into the game?
Probably useless because they keep changing every minute. It just looks towny and I feel like GB might be mafia trying to blend into town... Same way I feel about damdred. Is it wrong of me to be scum reading some of the more active posters? I feel like I should be town reading them for being so open with their thoughts. zzzz lots to learn.
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well I would say that one of the things about hunting mafia is that surface-level things can often be red herrings.
For example I hesitate to scum read active people too, and I think it is natural because a lot of the time scum don't put in a lot of effort. However it's not quite so clear cut because a lot of scum teams have one or two lurky players and a couple others who blend in or even attempt to lead town. e.g. I know I am not one to back down as scum and I know other players like Ace, BC, etc. who are also pretty active as scum. So here I would not hold activity as a high regard or alignment indicative unless you know a particular player does not care for playing one alignment or another. For example both Onegu and LS favor one alignment over the other; Onegu prefers to play scum and LS prefers to play town, so in the last game I played after I started suspecting LS of being scum when I looked at his past games there were a lot of similarities in effort and read quality between LS's play that game and his previous scum games.
What I think is more important than activity but along the same lines is the level of effort someone makes in qualifying or justifying particular stances they take in the game. Scum are unlikely to give specific reasons for the things they say because a lot of the time they are faking. In the cases where they are not faking (e.g. when they make "townreads") sometimes they give themselves away in the way that they will come to a certain conclusion through a thought process that isn't organic or doesn't appear to be grounded in events that occur in the thread. Signs that this is the case can be seen when a scum player responds to a request to elucidate a town read. If you agree that the target is town, see if your reasons match, and if not, try to see if the provided reasons are specific and make sense in the context of the thread. If they are not really backed up by anything or somehow come out of nowhere they are probably scum.
So instead of surface level things like aggressiveness, activity, lack of activity, etc. I think it's better if you try to look at motivation. e.g. if I were in X player's perspective and I were town, what would I do? Try to see if what they are actually doing can be explained from one perspective vs another. Certain things can be explained from both perspectives but you can filter those things out and try to identify the things that are indicative one way or another. Often times perspective analysis, at least for me, is easier from a town perspective because there are certain things that mafia "would never do", or at least be very unlikely to do, for example defend a particular player in a situation where doing so would attract a lot of attention.
On June 17 2015 12:48 ritoky wrote: goddamn feels like someone pissed in half the thread's cheerios this morning. so much useless shitfighting; pretty sure my eyes have glazed over at half of bugs' posts cuz it is just him picking a fight over the most minute stuff.
then again hf kinda agrees with him, so maybe i should actually go read it.
On June 17 2015 12:48 ritoky wrote: goddamn feels like someone pissed in half the thread's cheerios this morning. so much useless shitfighting; pretty sure my eyes have glazed over at half of bugs' posts cuz it is just him picking a fight over the most minute stuff.
then again hf kinda agrees with him, so maybe i should actually go read it.
reading is good, my troll
dunno why you keep calling me a troll and ignoring my posting, beliebe it or not i actually have le content in le posts
choppa 4 reporting.
I'm not ignoring you! I just think your posts are funny
On June 17 2015 13:06 rsoultin wrote: oh that reminded me something about onegu bugs asked
btw gb i'm not sure on bugs...he's a scumlean at most. i don't like the tunnel but i still can't decide if it's genuine or not cause i don't know him from adam
the onegu metaread as i said earlier when i first mentioned it requires him to post more. if i say anything else about it now he can tailor his play to it. surely you can understand that, bugs -_-
I think this is possibly the towniest thing you've said so far
On June 17 2015 13:06 rsoultin wrote: oh that reminded me something about onegu bugs asked
btw gb i'm not sure on bugs...he's a scumlean at most. i don't like the tunnel but i still can't decide if it's genuine or not cause i don't know him from adam
the onegu metaread as i said earlier when i first mentioned it requires him to post more. if i say anything else about it now he can tailor his play to it. surely you can understand that, bugs -_-
I think this is possibly the towniest thing you've said so far
but on a scale of 1 to 10 it's still about a 2
Well, at least you doubled your score
did you read my response to your case at all? this is not an accusation; i genuinely want to know
On June 17 2015 12:48 ritoky wrote: goddamn feels like someone pissed in half the thread's cheerios this morning. so much useless shitfighting; pretty sure my eyes have glazed over at half of bugs' posts cuz it is just him picking a fight over the most minute stuff.
then again hf kinda agrees with him, so maybe i should actually go read it.
reading is good, my troll
dunno why you keep calling me a troll and ignoring my posting, beliebe it or not i actually have le content in le posts
choppa 4 reporting.
I'm not ignoring you! I just think your posts are funny
i do what i can to please my fans.
to all the alakaslams of the world out there. this one goes out to you
On June 17 2015 12:58 GlowingBear wrote: By the way, trust the tone read rsoultin gives on damdred and me
I've been discussing games with her for a long while and he does that every time. And she does it correctly.
Like, I told her I was freezingfoot last game and she said: you're scum right? you don't feel like town gb
I trust her tone reads as genuine
What is rubbing me the wrong way is the shitfight she entered and the refusal to get off of it.
I agree the shitfight is not helping town but I don't think it is alignment indicative. Even before they interacted i knew her and bugs would not get along no matter their alignment unless they were mafia together. That is like the only thing I got out of that shitfight the fact that they i think they can not be mafia together.
But yeah I don't think you should judge them on the shitfight because it is jsut their personalities and yeah its boring as fuck but it is because they are both stubborn. They both seem likely town to me now another reason the shitfight is boring as hell.
GB why are you sheeping HF? Wheres the townread come from you might have said but i missed it.
The problem about the fight is that it felt unnatural to me. Keeping on a tunneled fight is what Damdred and GB did in a game before, since day1. Another Boring Mafia, I believe it's something like that. It's very easy to get this tunneled.
I'm sheeping because it's an old promise, and I can always lynch him if he is wrong. Also, I said that HF is a very capable scum and I don't think him, as scum, would be playing the way he is playing. It's outside of his "safe zone". Weak reason, I know. But it's still indicative.
wtf are you talking about yourself in the third person?
@GB if you didn't notice what I said earlier, I'm willing to discuss with you. I just want you to give me specific things you think are important. I'm not going to discuss big lists because I do not find them useful. If you disagree then obviously the best course of action for you is to work with me rather than expecting me to conform to your process, because I'm not sure in how many more ways I can say that I think dumping reads into the thread is a bad thing to do when I do not feel confident in doing so. Unfortunately I do not feel the same way as I felt in the previous game, although it is much earlier in the game now than it was then when I decided that I had a good handle on things.
On June 17 2015 13:26 Holyflare wrote: yes but the fact the game started without him being replaced means he had to have confirmed his pm in like the last 30 mins before the game started and then just did nothing
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lol that's a good point, i didn't think about the confirmation timing
super duper awesome lazy would lynch list of lazyness, GO!
hey >> not a mind reader lol
nh take fidei off otherwise...ignoring your spoilered ones presently...the unspoilered ones are fine with me otherwise
so, putting this out here on the chance that oneg is being especially lazy as town...if you give me nothing to read you by i'll assume this is the scum game you chose to break meta with <3
You made a point in saying that the majority of your reads are based on meta. If Onegu, according to your meta read, is town when he's inactive (because he supposedly doesn't like playing as town), why would this be the game where you break your meta read on him now when you're holding onto your metareads on other people?
nice catch bro
GB I'm disappointed. You sounded like you wanted to come out and play but you didn't, and now you're doing dumb shit like voting random lurkers. Are you scum again?
On June 18 2015 01:05 LightningStrike wrote: Bugs since you are here read on me atm and why?
you seem to be a little focused on your own appearance right now, e.g. your responses to KSC/HF but as far as I can tell that's not alignment indicative for you
but don't worry you're not in my naughty bucket yet, I have a couple secrets that make me think you shouldn't be there hehehe
On June 18 2015 01:11 boxerfred wrote: I'm leaving work now, will be home in roughly 2 hours. I'll check on rsoultin later and give a read. Thus far, I did skim through the whole thread but I really need to read deeper and with more time to it.
On June 18 2015 01:11 boxerfred wrote: I'm leaving work now, will be home in roughly 2 hours. I'll check on rsoultin later and give a read. Thus far, I did skim through the whole thread but I really need to read deeper and with more time to it.
On June 18 2015 01:05 LightningStrike wrote: Bugs since you are here read on me atm and why?
you seem to be a little focused on your own appearance right now, e.g. your responses to KSC/HF but as far as I can tell that's not alignment indicative for you
but don't worry you're not in my naughty bucket yet, I have a couple secrets that make me think you shouldn't be there hehehe
(Wags tail) I see :D Any thoughts on GB like do you think he scum again this game or no and why?
my concern with GB is that he seemed to be capable of playing quite well as scum in the previous game. There are certain things that bother me, e.g. the fact that he seemed to disagree on rsoultin but his vote was on rsoultin. Now his vote isn't there but it hasn't particularly moved in a manner that makes him look very good. In addition he appeared to want to work with me, and I told him how he could do it, yet in the course of 12ish hours when he has actually posted in the thread, he didn't bother to ask me anything. That's fairly damning given that I would've expected him to have something to ask when he seemed to feel so strongly about me apparently not wanting to work with him.
On June 18 2015 01:05 LightningStrike wrote: Bugs since you are here read on me atm and why?
you seem to be a little focused on your own appearance right now, e.g. your responses to KSC/HF but as far as I can tell that's not alignment indicative for you
but don't worry you're not in my naughty bucket yet, I have a couple secrets that make me think you shouldn't be there hehehe
(Wags tail) I see :D Any thoughts on GB like do you think he scum again this game or no and why?
my concern with GB is that he seemed to be capable of playing quite well as scum in the previous game. There are certain things that bother me, e.g. the fact that he seemed to disagree on rsoultin but his vote was on rsoultin. Now his vote isn't there but it hasn't particularly moved in a manner that makes him look very good. In addition he appeared to want to work with me, and I told him how he could do it, yet in the course of 12ish hours when he has actually posted in the thread, he didn't bother to ask me anything. That's fairly damning given that I would've expected him to have something to ask when he seemed to feel so strongly about me apparently not wanting to work with him.
It is a little odd but not yet odd considering what happened in our last game between you two but yet since he said he wanted to work with you this game it's a little surprising he haven't done much with you. If he's scum it would be more than just that though but yet I don't exactly know how to read GB as scum myself.
On June 18 2015 01:05 LightningStrike wrote: Bugs since you are here read on me atm and why?
you seem to be a little focused on your own appearance right now, e.g. your responses to KSC/HF but as far as I can tell that's not alignment indicative for you
but don't worry you're not in my naughty bucket yet, I have a couple secrets that make me think you shouldn't be there hehehe
(Wags tail) I see :D Any thoughts on GB like do you think he scum again this game or no and why?
my concern with GB is that he seemed to be capable of playing quite well as scum in the previous game. There are certain things that bother me, e.g. the fact that he seemed to disagree on rsoultin but his vote was on rsoultin. Now his vote isn't there but it hasn't particularly moved in a manner that makes him look very good. In addition he appeared to want to work with me, and I told him how he could do it, yet in the course of 12ish hours when he has actually posted in the thread, he didn't bother to ask me anything. That's fairly damning given that I would've expected him to have something to ask when he seemed to feel so strongly about me apparently not wanting to work with him.
It is a little odd but not yet odd considering what happened in our last game between you two but yet since he said he wanted to work with you this game it's a little surprising he haven't done much with you. If he's scum it would be more than just that though but yet I don't exactly know how to read GB as scum myself.
yeah I need some more time on him
Fair enough. Anyone other thoughts you want to give out atm?
what do you think of Kelsier? I think he's got some fairly stupid opinions/reads but he comes off as town to me
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although I guess you guys can decide for yourselves
