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Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
June 30 2015 16:33 GMT
#4585
On July 01 2015 01:21 ruXxar wrote:
I'm saying that it makes sense from a logical standpoint that the scenarios play out that way.

It doesn't erase the fact that you have a red-check on you.
I'm probably never going to get past that.

However, as has been said, it's better to lynch the scummier targets first.
And after delving more into onegu and shockey they have soared up as scummier targets in my mind.


so all logic and play dictates that i'm town and there have been multiple games where millers have been checked by cops and they don't get voted off or called mafia because of it but in this one game it's ok to forgo everything you think and follow it?

is that what you're really saying to me?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
June 30 2015 17:31 GMT
#4611
fuck off seriously

i'm still not mafia and you can yell about the red check all you want but it doesn't change a single fact about how i have played this game and you are just wrong, i have literally no idea why you're all gloaty saying things "oh post game cred!" when you are literally playing abysmally because ALL you are doing is focusing on the red check, you will get 0 credit for me flipping town and instead get a massive MASSIVE wall of text lecture about how you should read the player for yourself instead of basing it on statistics and wifom and a red check

Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
June 30 2015 17:35 GMT
#4615
like seriously i've put in a solid like 4 cycle game where i've been trying to solve it at every single juncture and you're being a prick and going "lalalalalala don't care red check", you know how fucking mad that makes me? i'm the towniest guy in this game WITH a red check and everyone is calling me town and you don't give a shit because your 2-3 game knowledge of mafia suddenly makes you superior than the ~20 players in this game that know me far better? i even took a day off work just so i could make cases on gb so that you would lynch him after my flip, no way i am that dedicated as mafia
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
June 30 2015 17:39 GMT
#4620
On July 01 2015 02:37 Fidei86 wrote:
@HF - You say I've played badly this game. I agree. I was not prepared for the massive difference in volume of posts between a 13 player and a 17 player game.

So all I have to rely on is this - with 13 town at the start the odds of you being picked out as the miller are 1/13. Even now, and assuming there is a miller, they are still 1/4. Furthermore, the odds of there both being a framer, and they having framed you on that night, are surely much lower. than 1/4. Therefore, to my mind, the statistics say that you're mafia.

Given that I don't really have any good reads on anybody, I see no reason to colour the raw statistics with my own personal bias.

You don't have to like it, but there are my reasons. I won't be saying them again, as clearly there is no point in reasoning with you either way.


q3
tewjhgkewpoiheuiowghueiwa2htq23a0y5 ub-932q 579-23bq 5-023 5-32 rewaitgfewa





STOP FUCKING USING STATISTICS JESUS FUCK EVEN THEN A 1/4 CHANCE OF ME BEING MILLER IS HUGE HUGE HUGE HUGE HUGEEEEE 25% is insanely likely in mafia???????????????

if there's a 25% chance i'm miller and i'm playing so super towny and the other 3 people you think are scummy, why the fuck would you rely on the statistics!?!?!??!?!?!? IT DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE AT ALL SO STOP DOING IT




read my filter

read the game

read day 2

don't throw the game because you rely on shit statistics because you don't know better
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
June 30 2015 17:42 GMT
#4623
fuck off dude, seriously, I play this game to win and you are playing this game to not win because you don't care about it at all because you can't be bothered to read it and instead just rely on a silly metric of statistics which obviously will never work in any game
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
June 30 2015 17:42 GMT
#4625
I've put in a million hours of work, I've given loads of reads on people, I've said who I wanted to lynch. It's not scummy to defend myself when you're tunneled on me being mafia. It's all I ever do when I get tunneled. Maybe you should re-think what makes people scummy because you have 0 clue.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
June 30 2015 17:48 GMT
#4627
You want a real read of who is mafia?

[image loading]

this guy

he sits on dota 24/7 and everytime some discussion comes up he sits there playing some dota some more on teamspeak doing shit all to help or do anything, he can't be fucked to play and yes he sometimes doesn't play as town but he never does it to ruin the game or not play like he does now, he's also got a shadow who he is supposed to be teaching about the game, there is no way onegu plays like shit on purpose to teach a guy what he's thinking ever.

EVER

you should be lynching this guy and I HATE resorting to out of game information but honestly nobody seems to give a shit when I write actual cases on people and suddenly when I stop you actually give a shit that I'm NOT making cases on people, I'm really sick of it, I have 34 pages of filter of scum hunting and you don't care about it all you care about is the fact that I have a red check and you don't want to read the game.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
June 30 2015 17:50 GMT
#4630
On July 01 2015 02:49 Fidei86 wrote:
Onegu played exactly the same way as this in HG and he was town then too.


no he plays like that every game and you don't really know what makes the difference between town onegu or mafia onegu
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
June 30 2015 18:00 GMT
#4635
On June 17 2015 22:06 Onegu wrote:
Oh man Onegu getting a shadow!!!

On June 17 2015 22:10 Onegu wrote:
Now I have to actually do stuff...


^ is he doing stuff? has he done stuff? no, he even said so himself he'd have to do stuff and has not followed that metric at all


to summarise onegu's play: day 1 - calls a lot of people town and that's it, says he will policy lynch ls but thinks he is town <------ calling people town (mafia trait), a policy lynch when there's obviously better things to do and he knows better (mafia trait)

all day 1 he keeps saying this too:

On June 19 2015 06:02 Onegu wrote:
Man Im gone 2 hours and there is like 13 pages I am behind....

Not lynching GB


On June 19 2015 06:44 Onegu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 19 2015 06:43 Holyflare wrote:
On June 19 2015 06:42 Onegu wrote:
On June 19 2015 06:03 Holyflare wrote:
On June 19 2015 06:02 Onegu wrote:
Man Im gone 2 hours and there is like 13 pages I am behind....

Not lynching GB


either vote gb or go back to afking



nope


why are you intentionally being useless?



Im not just have a town read on GB from very early in the game. Just back from a doctors appointment and catching up.

Will lynch BF over GB



day 2: translates policy lynch into ls being scum lynch but doesn't even believe himself and afk's through the day


On June 21 2015 06:20 Onegu wrote:
Comeon Rsoul you know Yama is at work...



defends scummy people out of the blue for no reasons

On June 21 2015 13:02 Onegu wrote:
I have a town read on GB. and Mig no idea.


still has a town read on gb

On June 22 2015 07:04 Onegu wrote:
Im Just back dinner was good. Sigh, Why Yamato over LS or RuxXar?


post flip hate on people for mislynching after doing nothing himself and randomly town reading yamato, still town reads gb


filter littered with afk excuses

On June 23 2015 12:58 Onegu wrote:
HAHAHAHAHA HEADSHOT!!!!!

##Vote Rsoultin

No greater pleasure!


sheeps gb's reads etc etc etc

On June 23 2015 13:27 Onegu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 23 2015 13:25 rsoultin wrote:
On June 23 2015 13:24 Onegu wrote:
On June 23 2015 13:19 LightningStrike wrote:
On June 23 2015 13:17 Onegu wrote:
On June 23 2015 13:16 LightningStrike wrote:
On June 23 2015 13:14 Onegu wrote:
On June 23 2015 13:13 LightningStrike wrote:
Also if I was scum I would of killed GB for his claim alone simple as that honestly lol.



Again unless you think it is fake because he claims a green check on your mafia mate mig...

I don't think GB would lie about his check on me esp given his explanation for his check on me because I was talked about Day 2.



...

You are now saying you believed his claim on you but would have shot him N1 with a check on mig?

Why would scum leave a Cop alive esp because he was unCCed? It's either ballsy or Mafia were overconfident thinking they wouldn't get checked.



Again if Mig is mafia, mafia thought his claimed green check was just him fakeclaiming to live day 1. So scum just leaves him alive...


then vote mig if you're that convinced mig is mafia?



Why would I do that. I have been saying HF is mafia...


says i'm mafia

On June 23 2015 15:18 Onegu wrote:
##Unvote

##Vote Holyflare


votes for me

On June 25 2015 06:52 Onegu wrote:
So we lynch GB and if he flips Cop we lynch Mig, HF, and VA


votes gb his town read over me his scum read hahahahahaha, reason was to "consolidate", yeh right

is proven not reading the thread and calls va mafia after he claimed jk and a shot was blocked

more afk excuses

On June 25 2015 06:59 Onegu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 25 2015 06:58 rsoultin wrote:
On June 25 2015 06:57 Holyflare wrote:
On June 25 2015 06:57 rsoultin wrote:
like 100% he should have claimed tracker then saying GB DID NOT VISIT ANYONE but he just questions why gb is still alive/got a check?

this is bullshit hf

complete bullshit

mig is scum. his claim is fake

IT DOES NOT MAKE SENSE


HOW DOES IT NOT MAKE SENSE LOL GB IS MAFIA AND IT MAKES ME FREE

SUCK IT UP WOMAN



if gb is actually cop here and you're town you start shadowing me xP



If GB is cop we just caught 3 scum


then he doesn't even follow his train of thought and instead town reads me because he knows i would absolutely destroy him
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
June 30 2015 18:01 GMT
#4636
On July 01 2015 02:59 Fidei86 wrote:
HF - agreed. I think the way forward is to start policy lynching Onegu every time he doesn't show up d1. It's the only way he'll stop ruining our games.

However, lynching him is a 50/50 shot for confirmed town who aren't me (assuming you're all happy I'm confirmed town :-) ). He's done nothing alignment indicative at all. Given that you're happy to submit to the coin flip on him, not sure why you're so outraged about me wanting to lynch you based on statistics.


it's not a coin flip at all if you read his filter, or anyone's filter for that matter

he sticks to his policy all game and converts it into a scum read based on absolutely nothing
he doesn't know what is happening in the game and just responds to individual points at random that have no bearing on anything
he town reads a lot of people for nothing and afk's again
a shit tonne of afk excuses and lies about catching up and then doing nothing
he TOWN READS GB ALL GAME AND THEN LYNCHES HIM LOL
he doesn't even stick to his reads in order to push a mafia agenda
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
June 30 2015 18:02 GMT
#4639
On July 01 2015 03:01 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 01 2015 02:59 Fidei86 wrote:
HF - agreed. I think the way forward is to start policy lynching Onegu every time he doesn't show up d1. It's the only way he'll stop ruining our games.

However, lynching him is a 50/50 shot for confirmed town who aren't me (assuming you're all happy I'm confirmed town :-) ). He's done nothing alignment indicative at all. Given that you're happy to submit to the coin flip on him, not sure why you're so outraged about me wanting to lynch you based on statistics.


it's not a coin flip at all if you read his filter, or anyone's filter for that matter

he sticks to his policy all game and converts it into a scum read based on absolutely nothing
he doesn't know what is happening in the game and just responds to individual points at random that have no bearing on anything
he town reads a lot of people for nothing and afk's again
a shit tonne of afk excuses and lies about catching up and then doing nothing
he TOWN READS GB ALL GAME AND THEN LYNCHES HIM LOL
he doesn't even stick to his reads in order to push a mafia agenda


+ plays dota and sits on teamspeak doing more nothing instead of playing the game, ESPECIALLY at critical times, only returns at deadlines to sheep mafia partners (mig) or complain about the lynch going wrong
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
June 30 2015 18:03 GMT
#4640
On July 01 2015 03:02 Fidei86 wrote:
Can everyone please remember that scum HF can yell just as much and just as loudly as town HF. Thanks.


how is this relevant to anything i'm saying at all?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
June 30 2015 18:08 GMT
#4643
On July 01 2015 03:06 Onegu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 01 2015 03:02 Holyflare wrote:
On July 01 2015 03:01 Holyflare wrote:
On July 01 2015 02:59 Fidei86 wrote:
HF - agreed. I think the way forward is to start policy lynching Onegu every time he doesn't show up d1. It's the only way he'll stop ruining our games.

However, lynching him is a 50/50 shot for confirmed town who aren't me (assuming you're all happy I'm confirmed town :-) ). He's done nothing alignment indicative at all. Given that you're happy to submit to the coin flip on him, not sure why you're so outraged about me wanting to lynch you based on statistics.


it's not a coin flip at all if you read his filter, or anyone's filter for that matter

he sticks to his policy all game and converts it into a scum read based on absolutely nothing
he doesn't know what is happening in the game and just responds to individual points at random that have no bearing on anything
he town reads a lot of people for nothing and afk's again
a shit tonne of afk excuses and lies about catching up and then doing nothing
he TOWN READS GB ALL GAME AND THEN LYNCHES HIM LOL
he doesn't even stick to his reads in order to push a mafia agenda


+ plays dota and sits on teamspeak doing more nothing instead of playing the game, ESPECIALLY at critical times, only returns at deadlines to sheep mafia partners (mig) or complain about the lynch going wrong



Like do you even check if I am playing or not or If I just in the game. I just woke up and had it on all night, wasnt playing. Same with teamspeak just leave it on.


yes I do check and i've seen you repeatedly online playing and sitting in teamspeak and sometimes i join and talk to you when you aren't writing anything in this game at all, I told you i've been checking regularly and you made a post about it once when i joined and dc'd
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
June 30 2015 18:10 GMT
#4644
also the great thing bout teamspeak is that you can check idle timers and check if they are actually at the pc or not so

/gg
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
June 30 2015 18:10 GMT
#4645
regardless of the teamspeak crap i've got plenty of in-game reasons to think you are mafia
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
June 30 2015 18:15 GMT
#4650
On July 01 2015 03:12 Onegu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 01 2015 03:10 Holyflare wrote:
regardless of the teamspeak crap i've got plenty of in-game reasons to think you are mafia



Bad ones


you lynched your town read for the entire game who was the cop for no other reason than to consolidate with 2 of your scum reads and your town reads scum reads, yeh that's totally a bad reason





also i'm going back to my damdred scum read purely for being underwhelming at lylo when he said he would be playing MORE

+ Show Spoiler +
Damdred - Well, I already know rsoultin's opinion on Damdred but I'm going to throw that out the window since when I trust other people's opinions it always leads to mega catastrophe so I'm not going to lie. Damdred looks like mafia to me. When I think back to all the posts that I remember from him this game all I remember him doing is defending absolutely everybody and then mass afking - even when his internet was fixed he was afking.

On June 17 2015 08:51 Damdred wrote:
Town:
Ls
Nhm
Rsoul
Damdred
Ritoky

Town leans
Kel
Gb
Breske

This is a good start. Keep it coming boys and girls


Within the first almost hour or two within the game he's already got a town list of 8 people which is a) ridiculous and b) not something that makes sense because all of his reads are based on really watery substance which aren't real metrics to read people by. Sure, it could just be damdred "doing his style" (don't think so) and it might mean nothing to you guys but it does to me, I didn't have nearly that many town reads that quickly.


On June 17 2015 09:32 Damdred wrote:
You are trying to jump on me for not explaining reads when I've explained a few in,thread even when I'm just bob phone posting. Instead of waiting, like the explanation of ls etc.
Everything I right has some value.

^ by the way, when your internet is out why didn't you post at all on your phone since you did that repeatedly at the start of the game and not at all when it went down?

Now. What led me to be suspicious (at least in the back of my mind) of Damdred were his crazy defences of people both before they had replied to the situation and also with things that didn't make sense:

On June 17 2015 13:15 Damdred wrote:
Well HF here's the thing, generally you do a lot of things early to stimulate discussion I do see the point RS makes in that regard and you don't do it all the time however. But either way its not alignment indicative and well lets be honest you are a scary person to read d1 usually.

I just don't care if ik wrong on you till later or better players catch you lol.

But besides that I don't think its alignment indicative that RS pushed on you for doing nothing, I wanted to push on you to to engage. It happens you are engaged I think you are town. Which I'm glad of currently.

Rs is always stubborn and bangs her head against the brick wall when people come against her like this, especially as town not usually as scum as she's generally a bit more accompdating. In fact she somewhat did the same thing in ippo mafia when people called her out for a few reasons like attitude etc., shit fights galore.

I think it is alignment indicative that RS is acting like this and she's town.

besides that her reads come from a pretty safe place where her scum reads would be a bit more... Strange if that makes sense, its hard for me to quantify like this, but for instance when I gave a read on people instead of being like. Damdred could be scum but this person is town for his read. She's seperatly evaluating people to their own merit. Sadly I won't be able to use this point again but it is what it is.



The point against rsoultin was very solid and I even proved that with my past 3 games where I did nothing. Any person that had read those games or been in them or knew of them would know I didn't really do anything and even if they weren't they can just click the links and see that was the case. So, why, is Damdred defending rsoultin in such a massive wall of text when I had given evidence that was quite conclusive - someone lied about meta to get a scum read on someone else?

This post looks pretty much like a typical mafia defence since it bypasses the ACTUAL points I raised (the lying about the meta) and made new ones that he defended her with (even I was going to push you for doing nothing!) which doesn't make any sense in the context since damdred is defending rsoultin for things that didn't happen

and then the next time he posts anything really substantial it's more defending of people and this time it's LS. Also, remember how he said he'd defend LS and then never did ever? That was a thing.

On June 18 2015 07:05 Damdred wrote:
So can we stop picking on LS before drastic things happen?!?

But seriously LS I got you bud, don't worry partner.

On June 18 2015 07:21 Damdred wrote:
Now I don't think that's a fair thing to say about HF there LS. Hes been pretty confrontational this guy and in the middle of the field from what I've been reading.

However LS is still town, and i'd rather stop talking about that and get back to talking about Fied or even box.


THIS IS ALL HE DID DAY 1!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Loads of town reads, defending people for crappy reasons before they even reply and then also ignoring what he said earlier in the day (sheeping hf or ritoky) he voted for boxerfred out of the blue! Then massive afking right until the deadline day 2 where he defends another player after not being able to read the thread??????? (GB) and then says he's only like 70% sure gb is town after defending him so hard and then proceeds to afk again. lol.

On June 23 2015 02:40 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 23 2015 02:26 ShoCkeyy wrote:
On June 17 2015 10:02 Damdred wrote:
So...

All a sudden my gut says shockey is town...it's for bassist reasons though, so I might ! have to hedge my bets like palmar


On June 22 2015 07:06 Damdred wrote:
I still think LS is town, I read his filter or scanned it and it looks like town LS.

I'd probably be ok with Shockey maybe oneg I need to read rux


What's your reasoning for flipping your read on me?


ohhhhhhh snapple


^ shockeyy top town for this too

I think he's very likely mafia. Even with the long spates of afking he looked like mafia defending everyone. I think he has had one scum read this entire game that he's pushed but didn't even push it.
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Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
June 30 2015 18:16 GMT
#4652
no you don't
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
June 30 2015 18:17 GMT
#4653
how about you continue to be here and play the game instead of just disputing things onegu, that would be a start
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
June 30 2015 18:19 GMT
#4655
On July 01 2015 03:17 Holyflare wrote:
how about you continue to be here and play the game instead of just disputing things onegu, that would be a start

Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
June 30 2015 18:21 GMT
#4656
hey fidei look i'm doing stuff and you ran away again
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