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gonna whip you all into shape today, you better keep posting
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talk to me about this ls crap you keep saying then, link the posts with tmi and explain why it's tmi
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On June 29 2015 10:19 NydusHerMain wrote:
Here's why I want to lynch you regardless of my town read on you. Rs wanted to kill the fuck out of you next after mig and there was no reason for her to die over VA who could've potentially gotten a save on RS. If RS were alive today, she'd be gunning for you. If she was alive yesterday, she would be making a huge case against you. If I were scum and you're town, I nk in the order of VA and then Fidei, ride RS like a parapalegic in a wheelchair and try to get a ML on you. Towny as fuck or not, she was going after you and scum has no reason to kill her if she's pushing a town HF.
um...? mafia could have a rber and rsoultin was actually talking whereas va said nothing, shooting towny people far more of an agenda than people pushing things
either way, you are NEVER going to lynch me, I will simply NOT allow it, there is no way i'm getting mislynched in this game because people are too stubborn to accept what's right in front of their faces and instead resort to the wifom
it's great that you keep pushing this agenda though because you've pretty much pushed it for a long time and nothing you say has changed in the slightest and doesn't attempt to solve the game at all
bypassing gameplay and going for wifom nk logic is typical mafia play
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not if you're mafia hahahaha
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like i don't have to tell you how retarded it is to not be on a unanimous target regardless of what you think today
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and I find it odd you randomly want to sheep rsoultin because of what logic exactly? That she was pushing me? She also lynched boxerfred, yamato and was going to lynch glowingbear before he claimed cop. So why exactly do you think she's correct and sheepable now?
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and I keep saying I won't get mislynched because I will simply not allow it to happen, I've only ever been mislynched once in 30 town games and it's quite apparent why when i'm pretty much universally town read despite having a red check on me
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On June 29 2015 10:13 Holyflare wrote:
talk to me about this ls crap you keep saying then, link the posts with tmi and explain why it's tmi
Onegu, I know you're sitting in teamspeak and playing games of Dota 2 right now. Are you actually going to play and talk about this or not?
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On June 29 2015 10:44 NydusHerMain wrote:
She wanted to lynch MiG at the end and she wanted to lynch you quickly after. It's weird for her to finally die when she's been leading a shit ton of mislynches? Also, I'm not mafia so I'm just going to defend myself like you've been doing for the last couple of days. "ermahgerd I'm not mafia so like ya'll are dum dums"
Anyways, check MiG's filter peeps. Damdred is like his tunnelled scum for a while. I don't think Damdred should be on the table today for lynching. He also only talks about HF when asked to by RS.
This bolded is quite a misrepresentation. I haven't been defending myself like you're insinuating and I find it unlikely that you can say that having said that you are reading the thread.
On June 25 2015 02:51 NydusHerMain wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2015 02:34 Holyflare wrote:
why would you not read everything i wrote before coming to a conclusion? i think the things i've written are pretty damning anyway, for GB and Damdred at least You looked bored  so I gave a quick post before reading
On June 25 2015 08:25 NydusHerMain wrote:I think that you trying so hard near the end makes you leaning town. What I'm thinking is that if MiG made that claim, he had to have been talking to his partners about it in mafia QT. Why would you be trying so hard as if you're the lynch if you're scum partners with MiG and know that he's about to fake claim? It's kinda awkward. I dunno. We'll see later on since this game is about to get into crazy LyLo and I'm unconfirmed so gonna make it til the end (hopefully).
I find it hard how you can say the first bolded after making your stance on me clear the day before (above)
Did you run out of mislynches to push? Nothing has changed since then other than rsoultin relentlessly tunneling on situations that didn't make sense and me correcting her. If you'd like a thorough explanation on why I'll be happy to provide it. Keep on keeping on with your scummy stance changes for no reason though!
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On June 29 2015 10:55 NydusHerMain wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2015 10:51 Holyflare wrote:On June 29 2015 10:44 NydusHerMain wrote:
She wanted to lynch MiG at the end and she wanted to lynch you quickly after. It's weird for her to finally die when she's been leading a shit ton of mislynches? Also, I'm not mafia so I'm just going to defend myself like you've been doing for the last couple of days. "ermahgerd I'm not mafia so like ya'll are dum dums"
Anyways, check MiG's filter peeps. Damdred is like his tunnelled scum for a while. I don't think Damdred should be on the table today for lynching. He also only talks about HF when asked to by RS. This bolded is quite a misrepresentation. I haven't been defending myself like you're insinuating and I find it unlikely that you can say that having said that you are reading the thread. On June 25 2015 02:51 NydusHerMain wrote:On June 25 2015 02:34 Holyflare wrote:
why would you not read everything i wrote before coming to a conclusion? i think the things i've written are pretty damning anyway, for GB and Damdred at least You looked bored so I gave a quick post before reading On June 25 2015 08:25 NydusHerMain wrote:On June 25 2015 08:22 Holyflare wrote:
problem is i don't flip red I think that you trying so hard near the end makes you leaning town. What I'm thinking is that if MiG made that claim, he had to have been talking to his partners about it in mafia QT. Why would you be trying so hard as if you're the lynch if you're scum partners with MiG and know that he's about to fake claim? It's kinda awkward. I dunno. We'll see later on since this game is about to get into crazy LyLo and I'm unconfirmed so gonna make it til the end (hopefully). I find it hard how you can say the first bolded after making your stance on me clear the day before (above) Did you run out of mislynches to push? Nothing has changed since then other than rsoultin relentlessly tunneling on situations that didn't make sense and me correcting her. If you'd like a thorough explanation on why I'll be happy to provide it. Keep on keeping on with your scummy stance changes for no reason though! What the fuck? You think that if I'm mafia, you're the mislynch I try to land on? You think I'm going to run out of scummy people? Dude, if I'm scum, at least one of damdred, onegu, shockey is town. I can push damdred on inactivity, I can push onegu on inactivity and his LS push, I can push shockey for being scummy overall. Oh wait, I have been pushing on almost all of them this entire game. Everyone who's alive today? I've pushed on except for you until now.
I think you are pushing a logical fallacy "what mafia must have done so you must be mafia" in order to get a towny lynched when you have displayed quite clearly that you think the opposite to what you are pushing today. It's also quite a big stretch that you've been afk for almost 3 cycles now and when it becomes a triple lylo where people have to be pushed for actual logic you disregard it and focus on mafia wifom and nk speculation and the fact that there's a red check while flinging accusations my way. None of what you're saying is based on people's actual play and it's quite scummy.
Perhaps you should read the alive players' filters and decide who is mafia, it would be a lot more helpful and easier to determine whether you're just super misguided or not.
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For a start you can explain why your original quote:
On June 25 2015 08:25 NydusHerMain wrote:I think that you trying so hard near the end makes you leaning town. What I'm thinking is that if MiG made that claim, he had to have been talking to his partners about it in mafia QT. Why would you be trying so hard as if you're the lynch if you're scum partners with MiG and know that he's about to fake claim? It's kinda awkward. I dunno. We'll see later on since this game is about to get into crazy LyLo and I'm unconfirmed so gonna make it til the end (hopefully).
no longer applies?
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On June 29 2015 11:05 NydusHerMain wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2015 11:01 Holyflare wrote:On June 29 2015 10:55 NydusHerMain wrote:On June 29 2015 10:51 Holyflare wrote:On June 29 2015 10:44 NydusHerMain wrote:
She wanted to lynch MiG at the end and she wanted to lynch you quickly after. It's weird for her to finally die when she's been leading a shit ton of mislynches? Also, I'm not mafia so I'm just going to defend myself like you've been doing for the last couple of days. "ermahgerd I'm not mafia so like ya'll are dum dums"
Anyways, check MiG's filter peeps. Damdred is like his tunnelled scum for a while. I don't think Damdred should be on the table today for lynching. He also only talks about HF when asked to by RS. This bolded is quite a misrepresentation. I haven't been defending myself like you're insinuating and I find it unlikely that you can say that having said that you are reading the thread. On June 25 2015 02:51 NydusHerMain wrote:On June 25 2015 02:34 Holyflare wrote:
why would you not read everything i wrote before coming to a conclusion? i think the things i've written are pretty damning anyway, for GB and Damdred at least You looked bored so I gave a quick post before reading On June 25 2015 08:25 NydusHerMain wrote:On June 25 2015 08:22 Holyflare wrote:
problem is i don't flip red I think that you trying so hard near the end makes you leaning town. What I'm thinking is that if MiG made that claim, he had to have been talking to his partners about it in mafia QT. Why would you be trying so hard as if you're the lynch if you're scum partners with MiG and know that he's about to fake claim? It's kinda awkward. I dunno. We'll see later on since this game is about to get into crazy LyLo and I'm unconfirmed so gonna make it til the end (hopefully). I find it hard how you can say the first bolded after making your stance on me clear the day before (above) Did you run out of mislynches to push? Nothing has changed since then other than rsoultin relentlessly tunneling on situations that didn't make sense and me correcting her. If you'd like a thorough explanation on why I'll be happy to provide it. Keep on keeping on with your scummy stance changes for no reason though! What the fuck? You think that if I'm mafia, you're the mislynch I try to land on? You think I'm going to run out of scummy people? Dude, if I'm scum, at least one of damdred, onegu, shockey is town. I can push damdred on inactivity, I can push onegu on inactivity and his LS push, I can push shockey for being scummy overall. Oh wait, I have been pushing on almost all of them this entire game. Everyone who's alive today? I've pushed on except for you until now. I think you are pushing a logical fallacy "what mafia must have done so you must be mafia" in order to get a towny lynched when you have displayed quite clearly that you think the opposite to what you are pushing today. It's also quite a big stretch that you've been afk for almost 3 cycles now and when it becomes a triple lylo where people have to be pushed for actual logic you disregard it and focus on mafia wifom and nk speculation and the fact that there's a red check while flinging accusations my way. None of what you're saying is based on people's actual play and it's quite scummy. Perhaps you should read the alive players' filters and decide who is mafia, it would be a lot more helpful and easier to determine whether you're just super misguided or not. If I've been afk that long, my filter shouldn't be that hard to go through. I've pushed on onegu and shockey for a while now. When I called you town, it was a heat of the moment thing. I called you town in that exact moment because you were trying so hard but if you think about it, there's a chance that MiG decided to claim randomly instead of (what I was more leaning towards) him having gotten a claim ready since the beginning. You as scum partners with MiG fight really hard that day when you're red checked, then suddenly, the votes start turning onto MiG so he decides to claim. Otherwise, a lot of things I have started to think about have lead to you being scum over town. It's called reevaluation.
So what was his play as mafia on the spur of the moment? lynch gb and then gb flips cop and he sacrifices 2 mafia people for gb since the red check is revealed as true??
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Let's not forget that I was pushing for MY lynch the entire day so that I could prove whether gb was or was not the cop.
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ignore the fact that I found him incredibly scummy independent of my flip though
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On June 29 2015 11:12 NydusHerMain wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2015 11:08 Holyflare wrote:On June 29 2015 11:05 NydusHerMain wrote:On June 29 2015 11:01 Holyflare wrote:On June 29 2015 10:55 NydusHerMain wrote:On June 29 2015 10:51 Holyflare wrote:On June 29 2015 10:44 NydusHerMain wrote:
She wanted to lynch MiG at the end and she wanted to lynch you quickly after. It's weird for her to finally die when she's been leading a shit ton of mislynches? Also, I'm not mafia so I'm just going to defend myself like you've been doing for the last couple of days. "ermahgerd I'm not mafia so like ya'll are dum dums"
Anyways, check MiG's filter peeps. Damdred is like his tunnelled scum for a while. I don't think Damdred should be on the table today for lynching. He also only talks about HF when asked to by RS. This bolded is quite a misrepresentation. I haven't been defending myself like you're insinuating and I find it unlikely that you can say that having said that you are reading the thread. On June 25 2015 02:51 NydusHerMain wrote:On June 25 2015 02:34 Holyflare wrote:
why would you not read everything i wrote before coming to a conclusion? i think the things i've written are pretty damning anyway, for GB and Damdred at least You looked bored so I gave a quick post before reading On June 25 2015 08:25 NydusHerMain wrote:On June 25 2015 08:22 Holyflare wrote:
problem is i don't flip red I think that you trying so hard near the end makes you leaning town. What I'm thinking is that if MiG made that claim, he had to have been talking to his partners about it in mafia QT. Why would you be trying so hard as if you're the lynch if you're scum partners with MiG and know that he's about to fake claim? It's kinda awkward. I dunno. We'll see later on since this game is about to get into crazy LyLo and I'm unconfirmed so gonna make it til the end (hopefully). I find it hard how you can say the first bolded after making your stance on me clear the day before (above) Did you run out of mislynches to push? Nothing has changed since then other than rsoultin relentlessly tunneling on situations that didn't make sense and me correcting her. If you'd like a thorough explanation on why I'll be happy to provide it. Keep on keeping on with your scummy stance changes for no reason though! What the fuck? You think that if I'm mafia, you're the mislynch I try to land on? You think I'm going to run out of scummy people? Dude, if I'm scum, at least one of damdred, onegu, shockey is town. I can push damdred on inactivity, I can push onegu on inactivity and his LS push, I can push shockey for being scummy overall. Oh wait, I have been pushing on almost all of them this entire game. Everyone who's alive today? I've pushed on except for you until now. I think you are pushing a logical fallacy "what mafia must have done so you must be mafia" in order to get a towny lynched when you have displayed quite clearly that you think the opposite to what you are pushing today. It's also quite a big stretch that you've been afk for almost 3 cycles now and when it becomes a triple lylo where people have to be pushed for actual logic you disregard it and focus on mafia wifom and nk speculation and the fact that there's a red check while flinging accusations my way. None of what you're saying is based on people's actual play and it's quite scummy. Perhaps you should read the alive players' filters and decide who is mafia, it would be a lot more helpful and easier to determine whether you're just super misguided or not. If I've been afk that long, my filter shouldn't be that hard to go through. I've pushed on onegu and shockey for a while now. When I called you town, it was a heat of the moment thing. I called you town in that exact moment because you were trying so hard but if you think about it, there's a chance that MiG decided to claim randomly instead of (what I was more leaning towards) him having gotten a claim ready since the beginning. You as scum partners with MiG fight really hard that day when you're red checked, then suddenly, the votes start turning onto MiG so he decides to claim. Otherwise, a lot of things I have started to think about have lead to you being scum over town. It's called reevaluation. So what was his play as mafia on the spur of the moment? lynch gb and then gb flips cop and he sacrifices 2 mafia people for gb since the red check is revealed as true?? His play outted the jailer and town sentiment was to lynch you regardless.
No, actually. Town sentiment was overwhelmingly that I was town. I was the only one pushing that I should die purely for the information. So, knowing that I was town read and since you say that the sentiment was going to a Mig lynch. You are saying he claimed tracker on the spur of the moment to reveal the jk and lynch gb. If this was the case then he automatically undoes everything that I was doing the entire day and getting town read just to associate him with me? That was his plan? "hey my buddy hf is doing pretty well at getting town read, let's fuck him over!"
I don't think that's a thing that happens. You're also forgoing my d2 play where the entire day was me getting into a shit fight with GB because me and rsoultin were calling Mig mafia the entire day and Glowingbear was defending him the entire day:
+ Show Spoiler +very likely Mig for doing his shitty switch. BF's post wasn't even bad and I'm pretty sure multiple people had the same reaction as me that it seemed pretty open and honest and Mig had a massive scum read on you (his second post was a case on you) but was very easily switched off of you onto BF No, it's actually nothing to do with association. If you are town then Mig switched his vote onto a boxerfred whom was not awful looking while having a massive scum read on you all of the game for a really tedious reason. If you flip town it's still scummy because it causes the great confusion we are in today. On June 21 2015 05:24 Holyflare wrote:Shockey has been posting his entire thought process. I've been quizzing him endlessly, I'm still not even sure on him. Mig is nowhere in site, he had no reason to switch at all. Absolutely nowhere did he site the reasons "gb is playing and bf isn't even though bf said he couldn't play" Show nested quote +On June 20 2015 02:52 Holyflare wrote:
reading mig's filter makes him look worse than i remember him being in the thread
his first few posts pretty good but then the rest are so crappy and contentlessy it's hard to reconcile that with mig from last game it's also pretty damn bad looking that he makes his first giant case on gb being mafia and kind of never really follows it in the thread and then when gb comes up for lynch he complains about gb doing mafia things but then finds the shittest reason to switch to bf ever??????????
badddddd Like I said previously, he said everything that you were doing was mafia orientated. My point still stands. You are still intentionally prolonging this exchange because you know it's what you need to survive. bla bla there's an endless list of me attacking mig and gb doing shit defences of him
Regardless, on another note you keep saying how you've "pushed" shockey and Onegu but outline how some of those people are easy mislynches if you're mafia. Why do you keep mentioning that like it's a point in your favour?
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On June 29 2015 11:04 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2015 10:13 Holyflare wrote:
talk to me about this ls crap you keep saying then, link the posts with tmi and explain why it's tmi Its in my filter. He knows there is a framer. He knows you were framed, he claimed being red saying that you are red.
well did he make that post before or after mig flipped? Also, i'm not sure how it's tmi? It's fucking retarded yeh but that doesn't make it tmi
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On June 29 2015 11:32 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2015 11:31 Holyflare wrote:On June 29 2015 11:04 Onegu wrote:On June 29 2015 10:13 Holyflare wrote:
talk to me about this ls crap you keep saying then, link the posts with tmi and explain why it's tmi Its in my filter. He knows there is a framer. He knows you were framed, he claimed being red saying that you are red. well did he make that post before or after mig flipped? Also, i'm not sure how it's tmi? It's fucking retarded yeh but that doesn't make it tmi before
how do you explain he managed to do 22 pages of filter then when his largest mafia game is like 3-6 and he just rolled mafia last game? + all the crap rsoultin was spouting about him?
and i still don't get how his post is tmi?? purely because he said that he could have been framed in a crazy tinfoil theory?
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On June 29 2015 11:39 NydusHerMain wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2015 11:28 Holyflare wrote:On June 29 2015 11:12 NydusHerMain wrote:On June 29 2015 11:08 Holyflare wrote:On June 29 2015 11:05 NydusHerMain wrote:On June 29 2015 11:01 Holyflare wrote:On June 29 2015 10:55 NydusHerMain wrote:On June 29 2015 10:51 Holyflare wrote:On June 29 2015 10:44 NydusHerMain wrote:
She wanted to lynch MiG at the end and she wanted to lynch you quickly after. It's weird for her to finally die when she's been leading a shit ton of mislynches? Also, I'm not mafia so I'm just going to defend myself like you've been doing for the last couple of days. "ermahgerd I'm not mafia so like ya'll are dum dums"
Anyways, check MiG's filter peeps. Damdred is like his tunnelled scum for a while. I don't think Damdred should be on the table today for lynching. He also only talks about HF when asked to by RS. This bolded is quite a misrepresentation. I haven't been defending myself like you're insinuating and I find it unlikely that you can say that having said that you are reading the thread. On June 25 2015 02:51 NydusHerMain wrote:On June 25 2015 02:34 Holyflare wrote:
why would you not read everything i wrote before coming to a conclusion? i think the things i've written are pretty damning anyway, for GB and Damdred at least You looked bored so I gave a quick post before reading On June 25 2015 08:25 NydusHerMain wrote:On June 25 2015 08:22 Holyflare wrote:
problem is i don't flip red I think that you trying so hard near the end makes you leaning town. What I'm thinking is that if MiG made that claim, he had to have been talking to his partners about it in mafia QT. Why would you be trying so hard as if you're the lynch if you're scum partners with MiG and know that he's about to fake claim? It's kinda awkward. I dunno. We'll see later on since this game is about to get into crazy LyLo and I'm unconfirmed so gonna make it til the end (hopefully). I find it hard how you can say the first bolded after making your stance on me clear the day before (above) Did you run out of mislynches to push? Nothing has changed since then other than rsoultin relentlessly tunneling on situations that didn't make sense and me correcting her. If you'd like a thorough explanation on why I'll be happy to provide it. Keep on keeping on with your scummy stance changes for no reason though! What the fuck? You think that if I'm mafia, you're the mislynch I try to land on? You think I'm going to run out of scummy people? Dude, if I'm scum, at least one of damdred, onegu, shockey is town. I can push damdred on inactivity, I can push onegu on inactivity and his LS push, I can push shockey for being scummy overall. Oh wait, I have been pushing on almost all of them this entire game. Everyone who's alive today? I've pushed on except for you until now. I think you are pushing a logical fallacy "what mafia must have done so you must be mafia" in order to get a towny lynched when you have displayed quite clearly that you think the opposite to what you are pushing today. It's also quite a big stretch that you've been afk for almost 3 cycles now and when it becomes a triple lylo where people have to be pushed for actual logic you disregard it and focus on mafia wifom and nk speculation and the fact that there's a red check while flinging accusations my way. None of what you're saying is based on people's actual play and it's quite scummy. Perhaps you should read the alive players' filters and decide who is mafia, it would be a lot more helpful and easier to determine whether you're just super misguided or not. If I've been afk that long, my filter shouldn't be that hard to go through. I've pushed on onegu and shockey for a while now. When I called you town, it was a heat of the moment thing. I called you town in that exact moment because you were trying so hard but if you think about it, there's a chance that MiG decided to claim randomly instead of (what I was more leaning towards) him having gotten a claim ready since the beginning. You as scum partners with MiG fight really hard that day when you're red checked, then suddenly, the votes start turning onto MiG so he decides to claim. Otherwise, a lot of things I have started to think about have lead to you being scum over town. It's called reevaluation. So what was his play as mafia on the spur of the moment? lynch gb and then gb flips cop and he sacrifices 2 mafia people for gb since the red check is revealed as true?? His play outted the jailer and town sentiment was to lynch you regardless. No, actually. Town sentiment was overwhelmingly that I was town. I was the only one pushing that I should die purely for the information. So, knowing that I was town read and since you say that the sentiment was going to a Mig lynch. You are saying he claimed tracker on the spur of the moment to reveal the jk and lynch gb. If this was the case then he automatically undoes everything that I was doing the entire day and getting town read just to associate him with me? That was his plan? "hey my buddy hf is doing pretty well at getting town read, let's fuck him over!" I don't think that's a thing that happens. You're also forgoing my d2 play where the entire day was me getting into a shit fight with GB because me and rsoultin were calling Mig mafia the entire day and Glowingbear was defending him the entire day: + Show Spoiler +very likely Mig for doing his shitty switch. BF's post wasn't even bad and I'm pretty sure multiple people had the same reaction as me that it seemed pretty open and honest and Mig had a massive scum read on you (his second post was a case on you) but was very easily switched off of you onto BF No, it's actually nothing to do with association. If you are town then Mig switched his vote onto a boxerfred whom was not awful looking while having a massive scum read on you all of the game for a really tedious reason. If you flip town it's still scummy because it causes the great confusion we are in today. On June 21 2015 05:24 Holyflare wrote:Shockey has been posting his entire thought process. I've been quizzing him endlessly, I'm still not even sure on him. Mig is nowhere in site, he had no reason to switch at all. Absolutely nowhere did he site the reasons "gb is playing and bf isn't even though bf said he couldn't play" Show nested quote +On June 20 2015 02:52 Holyflare wrote:
reading mig's filter makes him look worse than i remember him being in the thread
his first few posts pretty good but then the rest are so crappy and contentlessy it's hard to reconcile that with mig from last game it's also pretty damn bad looking that he makes his first giant case on gb being mafia and kind of never really follows it in the thread and then when gb comes up for lynch he complains about gb doing mafia things but then finds the shittest reason to switch to bf ever??????????
badddddd Like I said previously, he said everything that you were doing was mafia orientated. My point still stands. You are still intentionally prolonging this exchange because you know it's what you need to survive. bla bla there's an endless list of me attacking mig and gb doing shit defences of him Regardless, on another note you keep saying how you've "pushed" shockey and Onegu but outline how some of those people are easy mislynches if you're mafia. Why do you keep mentioning that like it's a point in your favour? I'm saying I've guaranteed pushed on mafia....
um when there's 5 people in the poe and you're pushing 2 people, that's not guaranteed mafia lol
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whatever whatever, i'll give you the benefit of the doubt that you were just afk for extended periods of time not really giving a shit about the game after you got town read for actually playing the game on d1 and only complaining at other people for lynching gb while contributing nothing to that situation or actually anything that entire cycle other than shutting down my scum reads on gb when they were legit points at the time
you're going to have to at least attempt to re-evaluate me based on my own play if you want to actually "win" this game, your saying that you have re-evaluated me on wifom doesn't count after all
I like playing with you dude so, impress me  !
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not really giving a shit about the game
eh i admit this is actually a bit of an exaggeration since you did filter dive me and make some posts on that day, you didn't really respond to my response though
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