• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 09:54
CEST 15:54
KST 22:54
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
ByuL, and the Limitations of Standard Play3Team Liquid Map Contest #22: Results and Winners7Code S Season 2 (2026): RO4 and Finals Preview12TL.net Map Contest #22 - Voting & Ladder Map Selection7Code S Season 2 (2026) - RO8 Preview8
Community News
MC vs IdrA, Boxer vs Nal_rA to be Legacy Matches @ BlizzCon155.0.16 Hotfix (June 30) - Balance + Bug Fixes19Weekly Cups (June 22-28): Zergs thrive in new patch2[TLMC] Summer 2026 Ladder Map Rotation05.0.16 patch for SC2 goes live (8 worker start)98
StarCraft 2
General
MC vs IdrA, Boxer vs Nal_rA to be Legacy Matches @ BlizzCon 5.0.16 Hotfix (June 30) - Balance + Bug Fixes Is the larve respawn broken? ByuL, and the Limitations of Standard Play The Death of Cheese: From a Professional Cheeser
Tourneys
RSL Revival: Season 6 - Qualifiers and Main Event Douyu Cup 2026: $20,000 Legends Event (June 26-28) Maestros of The Game 2 announcement and schedule ! INu's Battles#17 <BO.9> Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament
Strategy
[G] Having the right mentality to improve
Custom Maps
New Map Maker - Looking for Advice - Love or Hate Work In Progress Melee Maps [D]RTS in all its shapes and glory <3
External Content
The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 532 Nuclear Family Mutation # 531 Experimental Artillery Mutation # 530 One For All
Brood War
General
ASL 22 Proposed Map Pool ProGamer Paychecks Story BW General Discussion Best thing happen to StarCraft since Remastered? Data needed
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues [ASL21] Grand Finals The Casual Games of the Week Thread [BSL22] GosuLeague Casts - Tue & Thu 22:00 CEST
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Creating a full chart of Zerg builds Relatively freeroll strategies Why doesn't anyone use restoration?
Other Games
General Games
ZeroSpace at Steam NextFest - Last free demo Nintendo Switch Thread Path of Exile Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Beyond All Reason
Dota 2
Looking for a Dota Mentor Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
[94721]Better Good-Health Signs Than 3-15 Bans/Yea TL Mafia Community Thread Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Men's Fashion Thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread The Games Industry And ATVI
Fan Clubs
The HerO Fan Club! The herO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
Movie Discussion! Series you have seen recently... [Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books [TV/BOOK] *SPOILERS* Game of Thrones Discussion
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 Formula 1 Discussion McBoner: A hockey love story Cricket [SPORT]
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
How to clean a TTe Thermaltake keyboard? Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Listen To The Coaches!
TrAiDoS
An Exploration of th…
waywardstrategy
I'm an arrogant trash talke…
FlaShFTW
Gauntlet SC2: A Retrospectiv…
Ctone23
ramps on octagon
StaticNine
Funny Nicknames
LUCKY_NOOB
Evil Gacha Games and the…
ffswowsucks
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 4399 users

Mafia in the Himalayas - Page 2

Forum Index > TL Mafia
Post a Reply
Prev 1 2 3 4 5 8 9 10 Next All
Fidei86
Profile Joined May 2015
United Kingdom2116 Posts
June 18 2015 01:03 GMT
#1268
Breshke - So his first substantive post is here, and it makes absolutely no sense to me. What LS wrote is about as NAI as I've seen in mafia. Saying you've rolled town is what everyone would say, if asked. Saying it unprompted doesn't mean anything - some people who prefer town might want to revel in it, whereas scum might use it as a tool to start subconsciously planting the idea that they're town. Basically the post gives me no "townie feelings" whatsoever, and I'm not sure why Breshke would say it did. He then gives a soft-town meta read on LS, (which we should think about for later, because it could be a deflect).

I really hate this. He starts off by saying something pretty nasty about WBG (that he is self-important), and he says it in a snide offhand way. Moreover, the whole post just seems to amble around in search of a point, without ever finding one, and concluding that he does not have a read.

His final set of posts are all just asking questions of people. I don't think this is necessarily bad play (and I guess I'm not one to talk about bad play ^^), but it feels kind of lazy - particularly because people in the thread haven't been very good at actually answering questions. It's sort of a good way to look like you're town, without actually saying anything, IN PARTICULAR because he never then follows up on any of his questions with follow-ups. It looks like pure filter-filler to me.

I do agree with him that the rso/WBG fight was tedious as fuck.

All his three "would lynch" candidates were mostly AFK, so they were pretty non-controversial. That's not really AI though, because I kinda agree that town is better off lynching lurkers who don't contribute, rather than someone who some people read as scum but who is posting consistently.

His final two posts show a little more leg, but feel a bit light. Ritoky was right, I think, his reasons for his rsoult/WBG read was really lacking. However, I also agree with Ritoky that his response was honest, if not very impressive. If he was mafia, I would have expected him to protest a little more. Then again, if he felt he was caught in a trap, he might have recognised the best thing to do was move on.

Finally, I should say that I HATE posts that are just "I don't like this". Scott did it all last game and he was town, but TT also did it and he was mafia. So it's not AI, but at the same time it's just annoying and it clutters up the thread. Say why you don't like something, or don't say anything at all.

After all that, I give him a null read. Maybe on the slight scum side, only because he has been so reactive.
Fidei86
Profile Joined May 2015
United Kingdom2116 Posts
June 18 2015 08:03 GMT
#1472
Morning Rit - I'm just walking to work. That makes a lot of sense (and I didn't spot it ... Ugh). I'll take another peek at Mig's filter when I'm on the train and will report back.
Fidei86
Profile Joined May 2015
United Kingdom2116 Posts
June 18 2015 08:12 GMT
#1475
So the reason why I missed it, I think, was that it didn't necessarily feel to me like he was actually walking back his position on LS. Instead it seemed to me as though he was commenting offhand on new developments on someone he plainly had an interest in already. But when combined with his relatively short posting history and the lack of people he has actually given reads on, agreed it is suspicious. I'd rather trust your intuition on this tbh.
Fidei86
Profile Joined May 2015
United Kingdom2116 Posts
June 18 2015 08:17 GMT
#1477
@Breshke did you see my post on you? I'd be keen to get your thoughts on what I said..
Fidei86
Profile Joined May 2015
United Kingdom2116 Posts
June 18 2015 08:33 GMT
#1481
@Breshke - thanks, you're right - I had missed that.
Fidei86
Profile Joined May 2015
United Kingdom2116 Posts
June 18 2015 12:55 GMT
#1503
Them feels, WBG.

FWIW, I've decided to stick my vote on boxerfred. As I said before, I haven't really been impressed with his contributions at all. On top of that, since his filter is yet to make it to 2 pages, I feel he fits neatly into my Onegu-in-HG-inspired policy of LYNCH ALL LURKERS.
Fidei86
Profile Joined May 2015
United Kingdom2116 Posts
June 18 2015 19:09 GMT
#1696
Like, how is telling someone to commit suicide in any way "funny". If you think it is funny, you've got a pretty warped sense of humour.
Fidei86
Profile Joined May 2015
United Kingdom2116 Posts
June 18 2015 20:24 GMT
#1840
@Kel I'm around, keeping tabs on the thread while I'm at work. For what it's worth, and it's probably not much, I agree with GB's sentiment here. A d1 lynch is pretty unlikely to succeed. In the last game I was in (HG) the top three wagons on d1 were all town. This game has been 20 times less likely to actually find a scum imo, given that we're almost at ninety pages after 2 days. PSA: People, your spam and OMGUS'ing is not helpful. You make it super easy for mafia just to blend in to the noise, and you make it super hard for townies (like me) to actually engage with what's going on. If you have a case, please MAKE IT, then let other people actually read it. Don't just keep spamming back and forth. If you're town, you're NEVER going to convince a mafia that they are mafia - they'll keep protesting their innocence until they are lynched. Same if they're town. The people you have to convince is everyone else, and frankly I'm just kind of turned off by all this.

So, back to GB - he's posting, people can get reads on him, and those reads will only get stronger and more accurate over time. Worst case if we don't lynch him is that he's mafia and we catch him later. However, if we do lynch him, we're missing the opportunity to lynch a scummy lurker. If you let the lurkers live, they just turn the later days into a coinflip for active town.
Fidei86
Profile Joined May 2015
United Kingdom2116 Posts
June 18 2015 20:24 GMT
#1841
TL;DR Will someone please start traffic-copping this thread *pretty please*
Fidei86
Profile Joined May 2015
United Kingdom2116 Posts
June 18 2015 20:29 GMT
#1852
On June 19 2015 05:25 LightningStrike wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 19 2015 05:24 Fidei86 wrote:
@Kel I'm around, keeping tabs on the thread while I'm at work. For what it's worth, and it's probably not much, I agree with GB's sentiment here. A d1 lynch is pretty unlikely to succeed. In the last game I was in (HG) the top three wagons on d1 were all town. This game has been 20 times less likely to actually find a scum imo, given that we're almost at ninety pages after 2 days. PSA: People, your spam and OMGUS'ing is not helpful. You make it super easy for mafia just to blend in to the noise, and you make it super hard for townies (like me) to actually engage with what's going on. If you have a case, please MAKE IT, then let other people actually read it. Don't just keep spamming back and forth. If you're town, you're NEVER going to convince a mafia that they are mafia - they'll keep protesting their innocence until they are lynched. Same if they're town. The people you have to convince is everyone else, and frankly I'm just kind of turned off by all this.

So, back to GB - he's posting, people can get reads on him, and those reads will only get stronger and more accurate over time. Worst case if we don't lynch him is that he's mafia and we catch him later. However, if we do lynch him, we're missing the opportunity to lynch a scummy lurker. If you let the lurkers live, they just turn the later days into a coinflip for active town.

Lynching lurkers Day 1 isn't optimal play when you can lynch scum imo.


... I mean, that's obviously true (to the extent that it's basically a truism). My point is that I don't think we have a very good chance of catching a scum today. This thread has been a dumpster, where most people who aren't involved in the OMGUS/tit-for-tat are probably just finding their strongest town read (for me it's Rsoult btw) and sheeping them. But at least if we lynch a lurker, we guarantee that we make it harder for mafia to keep lurking and blending in.

I recognise that there's sort of a logical tension here - I'm saying that we should lynch lurkers, but I'm also saying that all this volume of posting is also seriously town-detrimental. I guess I'm just an optimist, as I think people will eventually run out of steam soon and then we can start having some actually quasi-serious discussions.
Fidei86
Profile Joined May 2015
United Kingdom2116 Posts
June 18 2015 20:32 GMT
#1862
On June 19 2015 05:26 wherebugsgo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 19 2015 05:24 Fidei86 wrote:
@Kel I'm around, keeping tabs on the thread while I'm at work. For what it's worth, and it's probably not much, I agree with GB's sentiment here. A d1 lynch is pretty unlikely to succeed. In the last game I was in (HG) the top three wagons on d1 were all town. This game has been 20 times less likely to actually find a scum imo, given that we're almost at ninety pages after 2 days. PSA: People, your spam and OMGUS'ing is not helpful. You make it super easy for mafia just to blend in to the noise, and you make it super hard for townies (like me) to actually engage with what's going on. If you have a case, please MAKE IT, then let other people actually read it. Don't just keep spamming back and forth. If you're town, you're NEVER going to convince a mafia that they are mafia - they'll keep protesting their innocence until they are lynched. Same if they're town. The people you have to convince is everyone else, and frankly I'm just kind of turned off by all this.

So, back to GB - he's posting, people can get reads on him, and those reads will only get stronger and more accurate over time. Worst case if we don't lynch him is that he's mafia and we catch him later. However, if we do lynch him, we're missing the opportunity to lynch a scummy lurker. If you let the lurkers live, they just turn the later days into a coinflip for active town.


so literally your only reason for wanting to keep GB alive is because there's potentially a better, lurkier player out there?

Why don't you read the case on GB instead of using things that are not alignment indicative to get yourself off an actually good lynch?

Also it's rather ironic coming from you that we should lynch into the lurkers. I would place you near the top of a lurk list if I had to make one.


That's a fair point, but let me put it to you like this. I work 12 hour days a lot of the time. Sure, I can mostly keep up with the thread. But when it's back and forth nonstop, mostly with partially thought through arguments, BM, off-topic chitchat and otherwise, how are people like me supposed to get an edge in. I made four substantive posts last night on four different people and I don't think I got a single comment on them, really, except one from Brez. When I look at your back and forth with GB, I feel like I basically have to go back to the start of the game to understand where it truly came from, which is 90 pages worth of mostly trash.
Fidei86
Profile Joined May 2015
United Kingdom2116 Posts
June 18 2015 20:39 GMT
#1871
Well, I suppose I didn't mean that it wasn't serious, just that it isn't helpful. People need time in this game to re-read and re-consider posts, and to think about what people have said. I don't think that's what we have at the moment. No doubt somewhere in these pages there are some mafia slips, but we're likely going to miss them in the sheer volume.

That said, I'll go back and look over the GB debate again, since I should probably develop an opinion on it if it's all we're going to fight about for the next week ^^. I don't suppose I could be super lazy and ask you to give me a useful starting point (preferably one not before page 70, lol).
Fidei86
Profile Joined May 2015
United Kingdom2116 Posts
June 18 2015 20:41 GMT
#1873
@Rsoult great minds think alike :-)
Fidei86
Profile Joined May 2015
United Kingdom2116 Posts
June 18 2015 20:43 GMT
#1880
(Final post on this ... WBG I think you might actually have changed my mind on the principle of the thing. I was too tunnelled on LYNCH ALL LURKERS, when I should have been thinking LYNCH ALL THE ANTI-TOWN POSTERS. Not as catchy, but probably more accurate. I totally accept it's possible that bf might be discouraged town. However, my read on him is more based on the things he did say, rather than his promises of returning. So I'm going to keep on him for now. But hopefully after all this you get a slightly better idea of where I'm coming from.)
Fidei86
Profile Joined May 2015
United Kingdom2116 Posts
June 19 2015 00:22 GMT
#2319
People, I want to talk about VayneAuthority.

That last post really felt off to me. I've been the first one to complain about the tone of the game, but when I did it I was trying to be constructive ("stop posting so much, please, give me a chance to catch up!"). But what VA is doing in that last post is trying to drain the will of the town to keep playing. Four or five people (including ritoky, who I'm going to keep town reading up until he inevitably flips mafia, knowing my luck) have already said they're burned. Why would anyone who was town pile on?

So that took me on to the filter dive. I have nothing to report. There's two pages, and literally not a single substantive post or comment. Nothing, in an entire two full calendar days (and one mafia 'day'). It's all pictures, one-line questions and general filler. No apparent attempt to understand the game, even on a bitesize level.

I'm reading VA hard scum for this.
Fidei86
Profile Joined May 2015
United Kingdom2116 Posts
June 19 2015 00:23 GMT
#2320
PS I'm not really sure what claiming someone as 'hard' scum means, but I heard someone else use the phrase and I like it. I presume it means that they're at the scum end of my scum spectrum? That's how I'm using it anyway ^^
Fidei86
Profile Joined May 2015
United Kingdom2116 Posts
June 19 2015 00:24 GMT
#2322
Is he always like this?
Fidei86
Profile Joined May 2015
United Kingdom2116 Posts
June 19 2015 00:26 GMT
#2323
@Nydus I started reading GB's filter, but I got bored. Nothing in there was particularly impressive, but nothing really stood out to me either. Plus I'm sheeping Rsoult's reads at the moment because she was so nice about me(<3), and I think she has him as a town.
Fidei86
Profile Joined May 2015
United Kingdom2116 Posts
June 19 2015 00:27 GMT
#2325
WOWWW that last post of mine was crap. I should probably persevere and actually try and finish the filter dive. BRB.
Fidei86
Profile Joined May 2015
United Kingdom2116 Posts
June 19 2015 00:40 GMT
#2332
WBG, I'm going to hit you with some LOGIC right now.

If you're town, some of the people who are disagreeing with you KNOW you're wrong/right (because they're mafia!) and therefore their responses to your thoughts may well make no sense. The people you DO want to work with you (ie the town) are probably not going to appreciate being called dullards, so you just lost influence with them.

Obviously if you're mafia then w/e.

In summary - if you're town, don't say shit like that. Otherwise, people might start thinking you're mafia.
Prev 1 2 3 4 5 8 9 10 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Kung Fu Cup
11:00
KungFu Cup 2026 Week 13
IntoTheiNu 1151
RotterdaM676
WardiTV633
TKL 261
SteadfastSC149
IndyStarCraft 99
CranKy Ducklings50
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
RotterdaM 676
TKL 261
Ryung 225
SteadfastSC 149
SHIN 137
ProTech116
IndyStarCraft 99
RushiSC 9
trigger 6
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 58595
Sea 2453
Shuttle 1654
EffOrt 1171
Hyuk 726
firebathero 673
Horang2 661
Light 548
BeSt 404
Soma 396
[ Show more ]
Rush 227
Zeus 227
Snow 223
hero 216
ggaemo 203
Last 149
Soulkey 141
Hyun 83
Dewaltoss 79
Pusan 72
ToSsGirL 41
Aegong 40
sorry 40
Free 31
[sc1f]eonzerg 26
Bale 25
scan(afreeca) 23
Shine 18
Sacsri 13
zelot 13
Dota 2
Gorgc5132
singsing3255
Dendi952
Fuzer 555
XaKoH 527
XcaliburYe131
LuMiX1
Counter-Strike
kRYSTAL_32
Super Smash Bros
Mew2King57
Other Games
B2W.Neo1042
hiko904
Lowko397
crisheroes372
DeMusliM269
Pyrionflax209
Hui .191
KnowMe16
Organizations
Dota 2
PGL Dota 2 - Main Stream198
StarCraft: Brood War
lovetv 13
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
[ Show 15 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• EnkiAlexander 20
• CranKy Ducklings SOOP8
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• HerbMon 12
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Nemesis3089
• TFBlade481
Upcoming Events
Replay Cast
10h 6m
CrankTV Team League
21h 6m
Bombastic Starleague
1d 6h
The PondCast
1d 20h
HomeStory Cup
1d 21h
Replay Cast
2 days
HomeStory Cup
2 days
Replay Cast
3 days
HomeStory Cup
3 days
OSC
3 days
[ Show More ]
Sparkling Tuna Cup
4 days
WardiTV Weekly
5 days
The PondCast
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

YSL S3
Douyu Cup 2026
Murky Cup 2026

Ongoing

IPSL Spring 2026
Acropolis #4
CSL Season 21: Qualifier 2
SCTL 2026 Spring
XSE Pro League 2026
IEM Cologne Major 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 2
CS Asia Championships 2026
Asian Champions League 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
PGL Astana 2026
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026
IEM Rio 2026

Upcoming

CSL 2026 Summer (S21)
ASL Season 22:Wild Card Qualifier
CSLAN 4
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
RSL Revival: Season 6
CranK Gathers Season 4: BW vs SC2 Team League
HSC XXIX
Light Tournament 2026
Eternal Conflict S2 Finale
Heroes Pulsing #3
Eternal Conflict S2 E1
FISSURE Playground #5
BLAST Open Fall 2026
Esports World Cup 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer Qual
Stake Ranked Episode 3
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.