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I also don't think Rels ever technically switched reads on damdred or sulfurus. Damdred went from null to scummy for not posting. Sulfurus seemed to stay at a town lean.
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Alright Rels is mafia. His read progression on sulfurus goes like this:
- First I voted sulfurus for voting me opportunistically. Rels responds to me saying that if it were anyone but sulfurus then he would consider this scummy, but since sulfurus voted opportunistically last game then it is not scummy.
Rels wrote:+ Show Spoiler +If it was any other person I would have agree with you about voting opportunistically.
But Sulfu played exactly like that last game.
- Rels posts a list post where sulfurus is a town lean.
- Rels repeats that if anyone but sulfurus had voted me the way that sulfurus did, he would consider it scummy. However since sulfurus voted SL and Breshke opportunistically last game as town, then he is not scum reading sulfurus for it.
Rels wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Yeah I would have agreed if someone else voted you like that. But Sulfu did that day 1 last game. On Breshke and SL.
- Rels suddenly says he is suspicious of sulfurus for voting opportunistically, directly contradicting two posts he made earlier explaining that sulfurus voting opportunistically does not make him mafia since he did the same thing in his last game.
Rels wrote:+ Show Spoiler +No idea who I want to lynch. Two of my three town reads are voting sulfurus. I'm suspicious of Sulfu for two reasons:
- The "case" on KS on his first post doesn't exist
- The vote on BS is opportunist
- Rels votes geript and says if the wagon on geript doesn't go anywhere, that he will be switching to sulfurus.
Rels wrote:+ Show Spoiler +If nobody changes vote and I have to choose between the two wagons I'll vote Sulfu.
##Vote geript
Chronological order:
+ Show Spoiler +On June 13 2015 09:00 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2015 08:57 batsnacks wrote:
Trfel's case is still good but I'm now voting sulfur for misrepresenting my play last game (twice) and now voting me opportunistically.
##unvote
##vote Sulfurus If it was any other person I would have agree with you about voting opportunistically.But Sulfu played exactly like that last game. On June 13 2015 09:07 Rels wrote:
Town lean
Trfel
Sulfu
Oats
ruxxar
On June 13 2015 09:11 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2015 09:07 batsnacks wrote:On June 13 2015 09:00 Rels wrote:On June 13 2015 08:57 batsnacks wrote:
Trfel's case is still good but I'm now voting sulfur for misrepresenting my play last game (twice) and now voting me opportunistically.
##unvote
##vote Sulfurus If it was any other person I would have agree with you about voting opportunistically. But Sulfu played exactly like that last game. And I don't think he misreprented your plays. Last game D1 you didn't do a whole lot either if I remember correctly. In both game you also posted a nonsense post to gauge reactions. You just voted me for saying something you agree with!!! Yeah I would have agreed if someone else voted you like that. But Sulfu did that day 1 last game. On Breshke and SL. On June 13 2015 18:33 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2015 18:17 Oatsmaster wrote:
Did you see the quality of those posts though. Cause in this game, there is quantity but practically no quality. I agree. But quality is not the reason I'm unvoting him. Show nested quote +On June 13 2015 18:19 Oatsmaster wrote:
I think it's pretty unlikely we have a PGO.
Hey rels, what made you look through bats last few games?
Also, who do you want to lynch now? No idea who I want to lynch. Two of my three town reads are voting sulfurus. I'm suspicious of Sulfu for two reasons: - The "case" on KS on his first post doesn't exist - The vote on BS is opportunist On June 13 2015 20:59 Rels wrote:
If nobody changes vote and I have to choose between the two wagons I'll vote Sulfu.
##Vote geript
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On June 15 2015 05:17 Damdred wrote:
Bats Bats Bats.
Good job getting yourself killed tonight.
Sheeping you and trfel l.
Besides that do you think,makes soul his partner or just a town he tied to push on
I think the evidence against Rels works regardless of sulfu's alignment. For a while sulfu was looking like he was going to be the lynch... he probably would have been if it weren't for the geript 'slip.'
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On June 15 2015 05:22 Damdred wrote:
I agree regardless of alignment.
I need to look at context was his subtle switch on rels when the wagon on sul building?
I haven't checked but that's what it seems like.
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kickstart is a good shot.
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While I'm still here I want to point out that n00bking was eerily upset when me/sulfurus stopped being the primary wagons yesterday. He made a couple posts about it I think he compared town to a train wreck after my lynch started losing steam. Don't let him get by with all this role speculation/advice stuff town made the same mistake last game with boxerfred.
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On June 15 2015 05:39 ruXxar wrote:What makes you say that?
My bat-senses.
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On June 15 2015 05:52 ruXxar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2015 05:43 batsnacks wrote:On June 15 2015 05:39 ruXxar wrote:On June 15 2015 05:34 batsnacks wrote:
kickstart is a good shot. What makes you say that? My bat-senses. I must say I don't trust them very much after your last performance on geript...
Brother
You sheeped me. HARD.
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On June 15 2015 05:58 n00bKing wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2015 05:54 batsnacks wrote:On June 15 2015 05:52 ruXxar wrote:On June 15 2015 05:43 batsnacks wrote:On June 15 2015 05:39 ruXxar wrote:On June 15 2015 05:34 batsnacks wrote:
kickstart is a good shot. What makes you say that? My bat-senses. I must say I don't trust them very much after your last performance on geript... Brother You sheeped me. HARD. He sure did. And you can understand no one ever wanting to make THAT mistake again.
That's not how it works.
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ruxxar is this your first game?
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ruxxar n00b was actually right about something. What happened here?
On June 15 2015 06:51 n00bKing wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2015 06:18 ruXxar wrote:On June 15 2015 06:02 n00bKing wrote:On June 15 2015 05:39 batsnacks wrote:
While I'm still here I want to point out that n00bking was eerily upset when me/sulfurus stopped being the primary wagons yesterday. He made a couple posts about it I think he compared town to a train wreck after my lynch started losing steam. Don't let him get by with all this role speculation/advice stuff town made the same mistake last game with boxerfred. I compared town to a trainwreck after you AND Sulfurus lost steam, and geript was gaining steam. If I couldn't lynch you, I was happy to lynch Sulfurus. (You know, cuz Theory?) I was not at all interested in lynching geript, so yeah, was getting pretty unhappy. By the way, how about them roles? I wonder which roles are in the game, and who has 'em. Rolly-roll-role-roles. if I was a cop then I would check you or trelf. In my eyes you are the strongest players in this game and it would be dangerous if you were mafia. Hmm. I'll just leave this right here: Show nested quote +ruXxar wrote:
n00bking is my #1 townread right now, 100%.
Trfel would be second. You sure you know what the cop is for?
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On June 15 2015 07:02 ruXxar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2015 06:51 n00bKing wrote:On June 15 2015 06:18 ruXxar wrote:On June 15 2015 06:02 n00bKing wrote:On June 15 2015 05:39 batsnacks wrote:
While I'm still here I want to point out that n00bking was eerily upset when me/sulfurus stopped being the primary wagons yesterday. He made a couple posts about it I think he compared town to a train wreck after my lynch started losing steam. Don't let him get by with all this role speculation/advice stuff town made the same mistake last game with boxerfred. I compared town to a trainwreck after you AND Sulfurus lost steam, and geript was gaining steam. If I couldn't lynch you, I was happy to lynch Sulfurus. (You know, cuz Theory?) I was not at all interested in lynching geript, so yeah, was getting pretty unhappy. By the way, how about them roles? I wonder which roles are in the game, and who has 'em. Rolly-roll-role-roles. if I was a cop then I would check you or trelf. In my eyes you are the strongest players in this game and it would be dangerous if you were mafia. Hmm. I'll just leave this right here: ruXxar wrote:
n00bking is my #1 townread right now, 100%.
Trfel would be second. You sure you know what the cop is for? I thought I did, but I missed completely. I went on mafiascum wiki and read some play advice. I was pretty off target -_-.
Whaat??? What exactly did you think the cop did?
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On June 15 2015 09:25 ruXxar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2015 09:16 MoosyDoosy wrote:On June 15 2015 09:08 ruXxar wrote:On June 15 2015 08:45 Sulfurus wrote:
Can someone besides trfel explain to me why he is being so universally town read? I admit looking back his tunnel on rels is better then I thought but that's it. He has spent all his time on this one player and doesn't have good reads on anyone else yet multiple players have put him at the top of their townlists. Please explain why you wanted to defend rels so badly and also why you wanted to lynch trelf. This is very important information, please make it clear to me because I don't understand it at all. It's another slip up on Sulfurus's part that he's Mafia. As we all agree, Rels is scum. Trfel was the first one to suspect Rels and when we all least expected it. Thus, it would be really weird for Trfel to have been a Mafia as he would have been busing over Rels when no one was really looking into him. Thus, what Sulfurus is suggesting makes no sense. He's trying to defend himself by offering Trfel as lynch but overlooked that point. Did we not learn from geripts case that mafia slip ups that get caught never are?
This is a scumslip I caught that was a scumslip:
On December 16 2014 05:15 batsnacks wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2014 13:07 ritoky wrote:On December 15 2014 13:05 GlowingBear wrote:On December 15 2014 12:58 ritoky wrote:On December 15 2014 12:51 GlowingBear wrote:
Ritoky, did you waste your bullet?
If yes, who did you try to shoot? I had to shoot, at least how I read the present info was that there was no holding it for another night allowed. As for claiming who I tried to shoot, I am going to wait a little bit longer for that; interested in what a couple people have to say. We're you notified? of what? i was notified that my attempt to kill failed. i assumed it was due to RB, because i sincerely doubt any1 would protect who i tried to shoot. it did not say specifically RB tho This never happened btw. There are no such notifications for missed shots/role blocks. Not really sure why town ritoky would need to lie about this.
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On June 15 2015 09:38 ruXxar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2015 09:29 batsnacks wrote:On June 15 2015 09:25 ruXxar wrote:On June 15 2015 09:16 MoosyDoosy wrote:On June 15 2015 09:08 ruXxar wrote:On June 15 2015 08:45 Sulfurus wrote:
Can someone besides trfel explain to me why he is being so universally town read? I admit looking back his tunnel on rels is better then I thought but that's it. He has spent all his time on this one player and doesn't have good reads on anyone else yet multiple players have put him at the top of their townlists. Please explain why you wanted to defend rels so badly and also why you wanted to lynch trelf. This is very important information, please make it clear to me because I don't understand it at all. It's another slip up on Sulfurus's part that he's Mafia. As we all agree, Rels is scum. Trfel was the first one to suspect Rels and when we all least expected it. Thus, it would be really weird for Trfel to have been a Mafia as he would have been busing over Rels when no one was really looking into him. Thus, what Sulfurus is suggesting makes no sense. He's trying to defend himself by offering Trfel as lynch but overlooked that point. Did we not learn from geripts case that mafia slip ups that get caught never are? This is a scumslip I caught that was a scumslip: On December 16 2014 05:15 batsnacks wrote:On December 15 2014 13:07 ritoky wrote:On December 15 2014 13:05 GlowingBear wrote:On December 15 2014 12:58 ritoky wrote:On December 15 2014 12:51 GlowingBear wrote:
Ritoky, did you waste your bullet?
If yes, who did you try to shoot? I had to shoot, at least how I read the present info was that there was no holding it for another night allowed. As for claiming who I tried to shoot, I am going to wait a little bit longer for that; interested in what a couple people have to say. We're you notified? of what? i was notified that my attempt to kill failed. i assumed it was due to RB, because i sincerely doubt any1 would protect who i tried to shoot. it did not say specifically RB tho This never happened btw. There are no such notifications for missed shots/role blocks. Not really sure why town ritoky would need to lie about this. That case is for a totally different context and doesn't apply here. Choosing to lynch someone is a totally different context from lying about your role. And I'm curious to hear his reasons still so please. Sulfur will you explain?
I'm getting a little sick of you trying to discredit my reads when you sheeped said reads harder than anyone.
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On June 15 2015 09:47 ruXxar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2015 09:45 batsnacks wrote:On June 15 2015 09:38 ruXxar wrote:On June 15 2015 09:29 batsnacks wrote:On June 15 2015 09:25 ruXxar wrote:On June 15 2015 09:16 MoosyDoosy wrote:On June 15 2015 09:08 ruXxar wrote:On June 15 2015 08:45 Sulfurus wrote:
Can someone besides trfel explain to me why he is being so universally town read? I admit looking back his tunnel on rels is better then I thought but that's it. He has spent all his time on this one player and doesn't have good reads on anyone else yet multiple players have put him at the top of their townlists. Please explain why you wanted to defend rels so badly and also why you wanted to lynch trelf. This is very important information, please make it clear to me because I don't understand it at all. It's another slip up on Sulfurus's part that he's Mafia. As we all agree, Rels is scum. Trfel was the first one to suspect Rels and when we all least expected it. Thus, it would be really weird for Trfel to have been a Mafia as he would have been busing over Rels when no one was really looking into him. Thus, what Sulfurus is suggesting makes no sense. He's trying to defend himself by offering Trfel as lynch but overlooked that point. Did we not learn from geripts case that mafia slip ups that get caught never are? This is a scumslip I caught that was a scumslip: On December 16 2014 05:15 batsnacks wrote:On December 15 2014 13:07 ritoky wrote:On December 15 2014 13:05 GlowingBear wrote:On December 15 2014 12:58 ritoky wrote:On December 15 2014 12:51 GlowingBear wrote:
Ritoky, did you waste your bullet?
If yes, who did you try to shoot? I had to shoot, at least how I read the present info was that there was no holding it for another night allowed. As for claiming who I tried to shoot, I am going to wait a little bit longer for that; interested in what a couple people have to say. We're you notified? of what? i was notified that my attempt to kill failed. i assumed it was due to RB, because i sincerely doubt any1 would protect who i tried to shoot. it did not say specifically RB tho This never happened btw. There are no such notifications for missed shots/role blocks. Not really sure why town ritoky would need to lie about this. That case is for a totally different context and doesn't apply here. Choosing to lynch someone is a totally different context from lying about your role. And I'm curious to hear his reasons still so please. Sulfur will you explain? I'm getting a little sick of you trying to discredit my reads when you sheeped said reads harder than anyone. I'm not repeating that mistake again.
zzz you can't just sheep something that hard and then go back and say it was a mistake post factum. It obviously wasn't a mistake if you thought it was the best course of action with the information you had in the moment.
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@ruxxar trying to discredit a read that you sheeped after the fact is scummy because it means you knew it was a bad read when you sheeped it, and you sheeped it anyway. Do you not understand this?
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On June 15 2015 10:10 ruXxar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2015 09:54 batsnacks wrote:
@ruxxar trying to discredit a read that you sheeped after the fact is scummy because it means you knew it was a bad read when you sheeped it, and you sheeped it anyway. Do you not understand this? I did not realize it was a bad read at the time, The problem was that the night started so early that I didn't really have time to digest your motivations for making that read. Anyhow like I said, not making hasty decisions like that again.
If you consider it a mistake, you knew it was a bad read at the time.
A townie in your position looks at the decision they made and thinks "I made the best choice I could have in the moment with the information I had."
Mafia in your position looks at the decision they made and thinks "That read was bad, I'm glad I could so easily sheep it. I will now push mafia agenda further by discrediting town batsnacks based on his read that I knew was bad."
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Moose goose and Scott... That's interesting.
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Rels back up to the stuff I said n1. You said in your response just now that sulfu voting opportunistically is a point against him, and that is the reason you would have voted sulfu over me. The whole point of the case I made is that you said twice that sulfu voting opportunistically does not make him mafia, and is not a point against him, because he did the same thing last game d1 to SL and Breshke. After saying that twice, you switched to saying that sulfu voting me was opportunistic and it is points against him.
Is it unreasonable for me to think that your defense here actually re-enforces what I said?
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