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[M][N] I Still Can't Believe it's not Themed Mafia
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good to see you back, bugs + Show Spoiler + jat: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/351147-i-cant-believe-its-not-themed-minimafia | ||
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On June 05 2015 17:08 Mig wrote: In my experience the people who are active enough to be around right after the game starts and are posting jokes but then disappear once any actual discussion happens are more likely to be mafia. Some of us delicate flowers need their beauty sleep T.T not that I have anything to add up to the point of this post regardless | ||
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That's all I got. | ||
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I've got a good shot at breaking 30k this game :x | ||
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People who have something important to say at this stage only have something to say because they think the uninteresting things they have to say are interesting, which they are not. tldr of the whole thing around Mig: meta-point looks valid but his play doesn't look like mafia in the thread. Ok so that's that. Commented on boxerfred. That's that. yamato/chez/slam/prplhz/whoever else has posted - is there really anything to say about it? Not really. Maybe Slam looks a little town? tldr: you are bad and saying i look like mafia for not having insights of gold in a thread that's barely started is dumb. | ||
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glad we got that settled. | ||
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i just felt some dogturd-style shiver go down my spine. | ||
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On June 05 2015 20:52 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Marv is probably town for reasons JAT would hate. I liked Sodium Chloride's case on Mig. Wouldn't consider it a lock though. I also like Prplhz in that he wasn't afraid to go after Chez, a dangerous move to anyone that knows him. Also feels too forthcoming and relaxed to be scum. funny thing to say | ||
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On June 05 2015 20:59 Artanis[Xp] wrote: No. pls stop being boring/weird then. | ||
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I mean obviously it isn't a lock, it's simply a meta case based on a handful of posts at the start of the game. It can't possibly be a lock. I don't get why the sentence is there at all. maybe it's nothing, but not a lot else sounds particularly townie either, so yea. | ||
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On June 06 2015 00:29 justanothertownie wrote: It might be geript again. Who knows. Need moar posts. | ||
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On June 06 2015 00:21 NaCl`y wrote: Many people say illogical things. I don't think it's relevant to ask that question since if someone says something illogical in this game you pry them for more information regardless of if they play well or not in general. That's just the way the cookie crumbles. You seem to type well but i'm not sure how you can genuinely believe this? It's a basic tenet of mafia that you have (often wildly) different expectations for different players. There are things 90% of the playerbase could get away with saying as mafia but I couldn't. *That* is the way the cookie crumbles. | ||
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On June 06 2015 00:45 NaCl`y wrote: I have many a time seen good town people type wildly inaccurate statements that were illogical. Yes, you have to give some players more leniency but regardless of who says what you always push that person for more information on why they said that statement. Mig has definitely played with 3/4 of the people in this game. The majority of people in this game were in his LXIII game too. You may disregard this fact if you disagree with it, however, the rest of what I have said still rings true. He has pointlessly poked people and not followed through with his own statements of mafia strategy and assigning that to other players. I am willing to let it slide for now since there are many more egregious players in this game. I do believe that I agree with you on Artanis[Xp], although only slightly for his "lock in" post but more so for his repeated free town reads on players for 'complex' reasons that I don't think he'd necessarily make as town. Specifically on prplhz. I'd been thinking to myself - it's going to be very tedious if all you do is speak about Mig all the time. So I am glad to read something that isn't about Mig ^^ | ||
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On June 06 2015 00:45 Alakaslam wrote: I have literally no idea, but people are able to back the claim by being right- and right very quickly. so if I thought you could be mafia this game, what would you think about me? | ||
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On June 06 2015 04:51 yamato77 wrote: fecal is right tho, game is pretty boring until BF does something that looks even remotely townie, I'm content sitting on the idea of lynching him, you lazy fucks can do the scumhunting this game, I'm uninspired. scummy. | ||
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and you've done it twice already. | ||
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On June 06 2015 05:07 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Thank you, this is getting much better. Still bad. hardly, everything you've done and said has been trash. look at yourself if you are town. | ||
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On June 06 2015 05:08 yamato77 wrote: well I'm here so it doesn't really count this time I can't cba to do things, there just wasn't anything worth discussing now you seem to think artanis' claim makes him mafia, I tend to think it means absolutely fucking nothing there's something to discuss are you not fucking reading the thread at all? fucking hell | ||
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On June 06 2015 05:09 Alakaslam wrote: Oh dang Looks like Artanis is worse... How this Marv You make list and don't back it up, cannae you back it up now? artanis for reasons already explained fuba because i know he finds it very difficult to post as mafia and he isn't posting yamato for complaining he doesn't want to do things + now managing to totally misread the thread. although i'm not sure i'm a great believer in this one. | ||
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On June 06 2015 05:09 yamato77 wrote: so you think FF is being serious as well? lol I HAVE MENTIONED NOTHING ABOUT THE FUCKING CLAIMS HOW CAN YOU BE THINKING ANYTHING I SAY PERTAINS TO THEM | ||
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On June 06 2015 05:10 yamato77 wrote: marv being a giant prick usually means he's mafia plus he's taking this claim thing way too fucking serious what the fuck? | ||
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On June 06 2015 05:14 yamato77 wrote: it says something that I take so little meaning from such a shit post and you apparently think it's enough to have him as your top scumread fucking LOL HOW CAN YOU FAIL TO READ THE THREAD SO HARD oh my god you are so shit it's unbelievable | ||
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On June 06 2015 05:22 yamato77 wrote: you're a prick when you're scum much more so than when you're town especially to me also, for all the things to respond to at this point, this is completely underwhelming you are so bad you literally know nothing about my meta at all if you think what you said is even close to valid i cannot even conceive how you can think this | ||
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None. He is scum. | ||
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On June 06 2015 05:24 yamato77 wrote: desert mini assassination both games you're a prick to me for no reason near the beginning of the game, both games you were mafia generally you just ignore me/call me town for good reasons you will find no-one, ever, who thinks i am more prickish as mafia than town. so i don't even know how you can think this. it's just mindblowing to me. it's as if i said to you - i think you try to solve the game much more as scum what would you sit there thinking? | ||
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then why did you claim? what possible motivation when you have a total of 1 vote on you? | ||
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On June 06 2015 05:27 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Because the thread was boring and I figured with the attention you gave to that part mafia would've certainly noticed and probably figured it out. This way at least everyone has the info. that's so bad. this is why i'm playing less and less. i can't handle the sort of nonsense yamato + artanis are pulling this game. i don't find it enjoyable. it's too bad for me to find enjoyable | ||
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and this keeps happening in the first 24h of games i play this year. over and over. then i go "oh, it can't be that bad" then i join a game and someone claims with 1 vote on them someone fails to read a 5 page long thread and misinterprets everything i say i don't understand how this is possible with even remotely intelligent human beings. i'm gonna go have a joint. | ||
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at worst that makes me very perceptive and intuitive of artanis' usual posting style. it is in fact excellent even if the reason ends up being wrong. | ||
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On June 06 2015 05:36 yamato77 wrote: he never called you bad, marv your jimmies are rustled over nothing that's like the 9th time you've not read something that's occurred in this very short thread.... forgot lighter :p | ||
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##vote: fuba come play, sweetie | ||
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On June 06 2015 08:03 yamato77 wrote: it's not really about whether anyone perceived it to be a crumb or not in the first place it's about it obviously being something that was out of place in the given context, which was then claimed to be a crumb. kinda makes sense, no? Unless you believe mafia artanis is either: 1) fakeclaiming with an awful crumb or 2) covering his ass by making up a claim out of some odd sentence he posted I've not ruled out 2 at all | ||
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On June 06 2015 09:38 prplhz wrote: on another note marv has dropped the claim business and is now contently voting for a lurker mm, i dunno what to think about it right now. i'll sleep on it and think about it tomorrow | ||
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what jat wrote is honestly quite convincing about artanis, probably because i kinda believe it myself. still, it's possibly a risky play i guess just to randomly claim when you could talk yourself out of it? still can't decide firmly like i said last night, I find the idea that I found artanis, it happened to contain the word lock, and he made the best of it not unlikely that said, my vote is probably on mafia with fuba anyway. soooo...... Actually i went back and read what jat wrote again, still pretty convinced. i'd lynch either. | ||
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On June 06 2015 20:02 justanothertownie wrote: Yes, fuba is probably scum too but it is far less certain. not necessarily sure that's true i'd at least like to see what artanis manages today | ||
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On June 06 2015 20:17 justanothertownie wrote: Sure, that's fine. He is very demitivated though because I am being mean to him. i'm sure he'll get over it because if he doesn't he probably knows he's gonna swing, and aint nobody got time for dat | ||
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btw Murray and Djokovic play some fantastic tennis. | ||
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i don't really understand why jat thinks i might be mafia though. | ||
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Fuba is such a cop out lynch and not something I think he'd be doing. i do this sort of thing all the time. so either you don't know my play at all, or you're just trying to guess how i'd play. both options suck. | ||
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I do not think he'd ever ask this question as town. I'm actually blown away that he'd ever ask this when he 100% knows it would never get answered. not that i suggest you do this, but you could message Onegu who hosted the last game I was in (i forgot the name of the game) I literally bombarded him in PMs to try to get information, I will extract whatever information I can within the given ruleset, and I got the information I wanted with the line "you know you shouldn't be asking these questions, marv" again, stop assuming how i play, it's bad. | ||
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On June 07 2015 01:08 justanothertownie wrote: I had the feeling since your first posts and your reaction to the claims HAS been pretty weird in the sense that you agreed with my logic but still did not join my wagon and went for this lurker scumread on Fuba instead. And like salty said this mod question is just really really strange. Why do you understand other people scumreading you but not me? because i've not done very much, but usually you have been quite good at picking up on my tone as town, so i thought you would have in this instance too. also you know (re: getting on artanis' wagon) that i can be swayed by a logical argument but still not "feel it" as much as i maybe should. (or in fact shouldn't, given how things have turned out - seems i was right. being scumread for being right in the end would be annoying) | ||
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On June 07 2015 01:11 NaCl`y wrote: While you may lynch people like that "all the time" that is because you have simply eliminated the possibility of other people being mafia through repeated interactions and thinking. Something that is severely lacking from you in this game. I do not believe you call Artanis[Xp] confirmed mafia for his claim with the provision that you'll leave him alone unless someone counterclaims him: and then see a counterclaim yet still call him possibly mafia but not want to lynch him 10,000 times over when this would pander to your ego for finding him. because the first quote is an emotional reaction the second is me making myself step back and think basically a massive towntell. | ||
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stop it. | ||
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On June 07 2015 01:15 justanothertownie wrote: Yes, it would be annoying but you were not right. You called my stuff convincing which means you thought Artanis was more than likely mafia. I don't know what's not to feel about that when you called him mafia BEFORE the counterclaim and then a counterclaim happens but you still do not want to lynch Artanis. so why would i play like that as mafia??? set up my lynch and then not go for it, for free, when you give me an ironclad argument i can vote on, and i will never, ever, ever come under scrutiny because i attacked artanis first? i don't get the logic | ||
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On June 07 2015 01:21 justanothertownie wrote: Because you KNOW that Artanis is town and are cautious because if you also know that NaCl is town then you know something is up. you believe this? fine. that's ludicrous, but ok. whatever floats your boat. | ||
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1. correctly and astutely pointed out something from artanis that was way off (it was) 2. pursued him for it 3. backed off artanis a little because a couple of his posts seemed genuine post-claim (not mentioned this - along the lines of candidly admitting he was an idiot + saying he called me bad just to be an asshole) 4. evaluated the two claims, saw what you said about artanis, but still felt unsure that i should be on him (it seems correctly) like none of my play has led anywhere in the end, but i'm pretty pleased with how i went about it and as the basis for a (portential) scumread on me i find it pretty ridiculous. | ||
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On June 07 2015 01:46 Artanis[Xp] wrote: You're saying this level of involvement is par for the course for town marv? i'm saying my reactions or otherwise to the claims are nothing to do with my level of involvement | ||
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what's going on? i'm only semi here, still have bf + friend to socialise with | ||
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On June 07 2015 07:13 justanothertownie wrote: Yamato is getting lynched without any counterwagon it seems. Will you be able to catch up at least? nope. who do you want to kill? | ||
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i said it because he voted yamato casually right out the gate, whereas in his newbie game he was floundering away saying he didn't know who to vote. but then he went back to vote no lynch here saying he had no idea again, so yeah, whatever | ||
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On June 07 2015 07:19 boxerfred wrote: c'mon meta reads on me are just a bad idea, whether you try it for a town or a scum read. It's been one game, there's not too much meta to brag about. probably why i indicated it didn't hold that much water in the time, and retracted it, huh? | ||
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On June 07 2015 07:22 justanothertownie wrote: Marv, can you at least evaluate a yamato lynch please? without reading anything into it, i didn't feel very strongly in the end about what he'd written so far, and i definitely think it's possible he'd be afk at this stage as town (if more likely as mafia) i know i normally love a good omgus but i'm not 100% sure mafia yamato chooses to antagonise me in the spot he did. he can die but meh. been panic filtering but i have no idea fuba has so few posts and i don't know if i like what he wrote, or dislike it - what i don't like is how he said he expected me to remove his vote on him simply on the basis he started posting. ehhhhh FF I have this terrible "he's being totally shit right now so he's town" read. VA I have no idea, but I'd bet town on the basis he's said nothing useful maybe Chez could be mafia? but i don't know how to tell you why (and the reasons wouldn't be good). Maybe for the way he's going after FF, could be a bit off... :/ | ||
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you tend to do that less as town. | ||
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i guess we'll see how this goes then | ||
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On June 07 2015 08:55 justanothertownie wrote: I assume this means you are in awe because of the #sickplays that must be it | ||
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On June 07 2015 17:52 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Chez this game makes me really sad. So uninspired and subdued. What happened? he doesn't have a green/blue PM? | ||
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not sure what I make of boxerfred's super long post on yamato. It's either good or very very strange. | ||
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On June 07 2015 06:57 boxerfred wrote: Not with quoted posts, no. Tomorrow I'll do that, but I'm way too tired to do this now. My Artanis' scum read comes mainly from your post. I like the idea of "too experienced for a dumb move so that might be a scum claim". Fuba since he went at me when I started going on yamato. However he rather early went on Yamato, too, so that weakens my read. That's why I lean him null with a scum tendency and not scum. Marv, because he got in that fight with yamato and that felt way over the top. Was that sufficient? Like this entire post is conditional on yamato flipping mafia, which might be TMI-ish here. | ||
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1. joke (?) vote on yamato 2. "i dunno who to lynch" - #nolynch 3. ............... 4. KILL YAMATO FOR ALL THESE REASONS 5. These guys might all be mafia because unflipped yamato has certain associations with them | ||
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it could be chez, but it could be several ppl really. | ||
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I think these people are town: 1.marvellosity 2.justanothertownie 3. NaCl`y 4.prplhz 7. Alakaslam 13. Artanis[Xp] slam is kinda squeezy in betweeny, but i'd still be surprised if he were mafia. so anyone not in that list basically | ||
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you may have been able to work this out if you applied a little brainpower | ||
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On June 08 2015 04:06 marvellosity wrote: Salty is all over this shit. | ||
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On June 08 2015 06:47 justanothertownie wrote: Well, considering the fact that marv literally stole that read from I guess that makes me scummy too? so scummy. | ||
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On June 08 2015 07:34 boxerfred wrote: shame that jat is like my top town read and salty appears quite townie to me, too. also, salty asked questions which makes it seem like he wants to come to a certain point and a conclusion while all you do is say "looks scummy" without even trying to elaborate further. salty asked decent questions, you seem to be content with sitting there, buying bus tickets. ah, so now it's about the phrasing of the stuff, glad to have cleared that up do i need to particularly interrogate you when someone else is already doing so? would that make you happy? | ||
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On June 08 2015 16:28 boxerfred wrote: It's not about the phrasing. It's about a point. In my first game, my coach advised me to not only ask random questions or do "he's scummy" statements, but actually try to work towards a point or a conclusion which would help set up a picture of someone that is as bulletproof as it gets. You're not trying to do that. You take out one post out of my filter, put it in the only context where it looks even remotely scummy and insist that this post is a huge TMI blow that I made. I already answered Salty's questions. Then, I answered the ones you raised, explaining why I went for you and not for Salty or JAT. You see, I'm trying to collaborate. You're just holding your barrel at me, not even caring about anything else. Besides your scum read on me, what do you think about Vayne and my stuff on him? What do you think about fuba, given that Artanis claimed to have him blocked? Any more reads on potential scum? tldr: i am better than your coach. | ||
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On June 08 2015 16:28 boxerfred wrote: It's not about the phrasing. It's about a point. In my first game, my coach advised me to not only ask random questions or do "he's scummy" statements, but actually try to work towards a point or a conclusion which would help set up a picture of someone that is as bulletproof as it gets. You're not trying to do that. You take out one post out of my filter, put it in the only context where it looks even remotely scummy and insist that this post is a huge TMI blow that I made. I already answered Salty's questions. Then, I answered the ones you raised, explaining why I went for you and not for Salty or JAT. You see, I'm trying to collaborate. You're just holding your barrel at me, not even caring about anything else. Actually can't get over how bad this interpretation is, gonna dissect it for my own amusement It's not about the phrasing. It's about a point. In my first game, my coach advised me to not only ask random questions or do "he's scummy" statements, but actually try to work towards a point or a conclusion which would help set up a picture of someone that is as bulletproof as it gets. You're not trying to do that. Totally irrelevant to anything? It's like criticising a tennis player for preferring to rally on the baseline or something, it means nothing to anything You take out one post out of my filter, put it in the only context where it looks even remotely scummy and insist that this post is a huge TMI blow that I made. The "only" context it looks "remotely scummy"? You mean it's a fucking beacon of townie shining light otherwise? You make a bunch of reads conditional on yamato being mafia, it doesn't take much putting in context. And I was 3rd to the punch! You keep attacking me for it, yet not the others before me, but we'll come to that... Also "a huge TMI blow"? I think my wording at the time was "this may be TMI-ish". Exaggeration much? I already answered Salty's questions. Then, I answered the ones you raised, explaining why I went for you and not for Salty or JAT. Yes, you answered the latter by going "I find these two people townie, so the points they make that are identical to yours are fine. Because I don't find you townie, these points that these 2 townies already mentioned are scummy coming from you." Yes, that doesn't make sense, sorry. You're going after me for points that aren't even mine because I'm the only one you can go after. But there is no logical sense behind it. You see, I'm trying to collaborate. lol | ||
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On June 08 2015 19:07 marvellosity wrote: well, i just pulled some fuba quotes questioning if his read progression on yamato is natural (he goes from doubting the lynch to supporting the lynch), but the fact he was 2nd on the wagon by the looks of things looks quite good for him. pls come back asap though bbygrl. just to muse a little more on this, the problem is I can totally see yamato just going "bus me if you need to, i'll be afk at work and i cba" | ||
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On June 05 2015 18:40 yamato77 wrote: My whole "I can read prplhz" thing was when I was mafia, lol. I'll let marv have the fun this game. Although independently of anything you've posted, there's this rule that says you should be mafia. Just dunno if it actually applies this game, given Chez's play. interesting. can't quite tell what i make of yamato's vote on boxerfred either. on one hand it seems strange just to vote a team-mate out the gate, on the other hand he literally never pushes the idea once for the entire rest of his filter. | ||
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On June 07 2015 03:06 Mig wrote: I am at a tourney so have to post from my phone the rest of the day, shitty. What about fecal feast? Guy has been totally useless/awol the entire game. I cant read his past games but I assume he normally contributes more than this? He softly back pedled from lynching artanis with his post where he said how about we talk about something else but then didnt actually try to discuss anything. His only contribution so far was where he posted all the cases on people and said they sucked. Doesnt look like he gives a shit about actually finding mafia. Yam is somewhat the same way. Normally from what I remember yam would have a hard on for someone he thinks is scum by now. Instead he just said lynching artanis was retarded while providing no alternative. On June 07 2015 03:30 Mig wrote: JAT/nac/artanis who are you guys going to vote for? You are half assedly accusing marv are you voting him? Marv you dont have anything to contribute besides defending yourself and lazily voting fuba? No other thoughts on who is potentially scum? We have what like 6 hours or something till lynch and no clear target. Need to get this show on the road. #vote fecalfeast I find the two bolded things over these 2 posts kinda ironic. Is Mig's "case" on FF so much better because he spends a couple sentences saying "he's useless but i haven't read his past games"? Like for realsies? On June 07 2015 04:00 Mig wrote: Nac went back and read your post. Correct me if I am wrong but your point is Yam immediately believed the claims which implies he had too much information. But isnt yam jumping to some idiot conclusion without thinking about it just what he does? Maybe he thinks you caught him tho which is why hes being emo and hasnt pushed for anyone like he normally does. Defence of yamato when the yamato wagon is still all up in the air Then when the wagon on yamato has basically taken off: On June 07 2015 06:18 Mig wrote: If Fancyfeast isnt lynched yam would be my #2. I dont think town yam just gives up and lets himself get lynched like this normally. Hard for him to pass up opportunities to argue with people when he thinks hes right. well, he's ok with yam after all On June 07 2015 05:29 Mig wrote: My case against fecal is this, 1) claims not to have read the case against me and asks if it is good when there was nothing at all to read. 2) Makes absolutely no effort to comment on who he thinks is mafia. When originally poked he just comes in and says every case sucks. 3) When it looked like the thread was swinging against artanis he lightly stepped backed saying we should discuss other things. He then just disappears without discussing anything. And now he gives a town read on slam, great! Very useful. On June 07 2015 05:41 Mig wrote: I have no reason to believe vayne or chez are town either it doesnt mean they are necessarily mafia. Either you or artanis could be mafia, I stand by that both of you very likely are not. I also don't understand why these points are supposed to be compelling against FF, when surely the same applies to FF as it does VA and Chez? Why FF as top scumread but those 2 are don't knows? There's nothing in his FF case that makes this remotely clear For some lopsided not-really-balance: Feast/artanis interaction - If either of artanis/feast are scum it is very unlikely that the other is also. The claim/counter claim/ artanis vote feast stuff is too random. Just a weird/unlikely series of interactions if the scum team planned out an artanis fake claim. I did like this comment | ||
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On June 08 2015 19:27 justanothertownie wrote: Yes, would like to hear more from him. He literally did nothing at all during the night. Why do you think that yamato comment is interesting? What does it say about prplhz/chez alignment? nothing to do with prplhz, but it's more that yamato is giving a nod to Chez not looking like his normal self. Right now I can't take anything firm from it, I just find it interesting that yamato points it out himself. | ||
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On June 08 2015 19:32 justanothertownie wrote: meh About mig - yeah, he is not really impressing me either. But at least he was the one trying to get a lynch going when noone was doing anything and he also seemed really annoyed by prplz/me fighting. my point is that his lynch doesn't make particular sense, he chooses FF for being useless and yet dismisses other "useless" people as "don't knows", "they could be either" I'm not really sure how this is supposed to make sense one useless guy = top scumread, gonna push repeatedly over yamato other useless guys = they could be anything, why push them? | ||
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On June 08 2015 19:36 boxerfred wrote: Three ways to go on: a) you continue to pick away at my post, not asking a single question, interpreting things the worst way possible. b) you actually start asking questions that lead to a convincing point c) people just lynch me, I'll flip VT and boom scum shines. I don't even care about your answers at this point. You still did not say a single thing that sounds remotely like an indication of me being scum, yet you follow your read hardcore. Sounds like bussing to me. When you bring up sentences with a question mark again, I'll answer to what you're saying. I am not interpreting anything in the worst way possible. If you are going to claim that, demonstrate it. Because I didn't. | ||
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On June 08 2015 19:36 justanothertownie wrote: Yes, his choice/reasoning for a push is meh, but I meant he was encouraging people to do stuff and find a lynch in general and not only pushing his own prefered target. I felt urgency when he posted. this is wishy washy and boring, and not a reason for anything. | ||
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On June 08 2015 19:40 marvellosity wrote: I am not interpreting anything in the worst way possible. If you are going to claim that, demonstrate it. Because I didn't. I am deadly, 100% serious about this by the way. I expect you to do this. | ||
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On June 08 2015 19:46 justanothertownie wrote: You say so because you are saying it? Nice. well your reply was just tedious, like your face. | ||
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On June 06 2015 16:59 Mig wrote: Some stuff I noticed, marv/yam interaction looks a little forced to me. Marv has to have played with yam 50 times by now. Yam is like this every game, the marv blow up seems overly emotional. I have seen marv blow up before but this seemed a bit much considering yam was just being his usual yam self. Just something to keep in mind. Feast/artanis interaction - If either of artanis/feast are scum it is very unlikely that the other is also. The claim/counter claim/ artanis vote feast stuff is too random. Just a weird/unlikely series of interactions if the scum team planned out an artanis fake claim. I honestly have no idea if having 2 protection roles would be OP for town or not. If mafia has a rber it doesn't seem that outlandish to me. That being said I am fine with lynching artanis. I read through Noir mini mafia that he just played and I actually think artanis played well that game. Day1 of that game was about as useless as this day1 has been and he still managed to actually post some useful thoughts. So far today he has posted a paragraph on being a little suspicious of JTA and that's it. Along with that his story for why he claimed is meh. Alternating between claiming because he was bored and because marv mentioned his line with the word lock in it. It was fairly clear that marv wasn't even saying that it was a bread crumb just that artanis was giving superfluous commentary. Assuming that mafia would have figured out he was JK from that is retarded. Seems more likely that artanis is bsing. Kind of funny he said this, made a few more posts then disappeared for the rest of the day as well. Artanis if you are town give your reads, make a case etc. Especially this post I didn't really find anything similar in his mafiagames. In Mig's scumgames he seems much more one-track-mind focused on calling people scummy/voting them. As town he seems a little more... open to discussing other things, it doesn't look so single minded | ||
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On June 08 2015 19:40 marvellosity wrote: I am not interpreting anything in the worst way possible. If you are going to claim that, demonstrate it. Because I didn't. ##Vote: boxerfred at the very least until you can demonstrate how this is even slightly true | ||
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On June 08 2015 20:13 justanothertownie wrote: Fine in that case I don't get why patience is nil but whatever. There is really no need for us to fight in the slightest. imagine how i feel, feeling joyless as town it feels like the beginning of the end. | ||
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On June 08 2015 20:11 marvellosity wrote: ##Vote: boxerfred at the very least until you can demonstrate how this is even slightly true ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ | ||
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On June 08 2015 22:49 boxerfred wrote: I'm reading you town for this + Show Spoiler + On June 07 2015 06:26 boxerfred wrote: This post is really good. The bad thing for me is that I have to trust in what he's saying on marv's and artanis' backstory in mafia, I don't have the experience to judge that. However, given how Yamato reacts to the claim ("it's so stupid to claim!!") this feels like he makes the claim look like a bad town move and not a genious scum move. There, Mig jumps the train, too. All those posts have one thing in common, and that is not Artanis, but Yamato. I really think he's a good lynch by now, even if he's town. Also, NaCl (who I read as town for his explanations and the idea behind his CC) made the spoilered post, mentioning Yamato in a reasonable way, too: + Show Spoiler + On June 07 2015 00:49 NaCl`y wrote: First and foremost, I'd just like to get this out of the way. I am NOT the doctor. I decided to do this for reasons twofold: 1) I felt that no individual would ever believe they were under pressure and mafia would have caught their breadcrumb and then hard claim jailkeeper on day 1. I could not believe that a town Artanis[Xp] would do this. Since I did not believe it, I had to test out his claim. I originally thought just claiming jailkeeper would make him either rescind his silly claim or if he was mafia, give up the game. He did not do this however so I concluded that from his reactions and interactions around it his claim was pretty much sincere. This is when I decided to enact the second phase of my plan. 2) I switched my claim to doctor in order to garner reactions. Since I am town and I am pretty sure Artanis[Xp] is town then the unbelievable situation is that we have both a jailkeeper and a doctor. I don't think anybody would think this would be balanced. At least, I don't think it would in a small game such as this. So, since this was the case I left it open that there were 2 healing power roles. I did want to let everyone respond but a lot of people are just afk. No matter, this led to some very interesting reactions indeed: The first of which is Justanothertownie. I think his reaction is by far the most sincere in the game. Posts like: + Show Spoiler + On June 06 2015 10:52 justanothertownie wrote: Going to bed. Anyone who is even considering not lynching Artanis has to explain all this: First of all you have to explain why NaCl is scum because there is no way there are 2 protective roles in a 10 vs 3 setup with 1 mafia KP and normal roles but EVEN IF THAT IS NOT ENOUGH FOR YOU ON ITS OWN and you think for some reason it is possible to have a JK AND a doctor in the same game: The situation is the following - you are Artanis a pretty good and experienced town player and you happened to role JK. Halfway into day1 nothing much happened so far and all of a sudden marvellosity who you townread and who you think is a really good player is attacking and voting you. You played a lot of games together. Do you either try to convince him that you are town/play the game or immediately feel the need to claim? The answer is even if Artanis thinks he will potentially get lynched he will never claim his really powerful role without trying to avert the lynch otherwise before (and his stats show that he is really good at not being mislynched). On the other hand if you are scum Artanis then you might think to yourself - "I will probably not be able to avoid being lynched" for whatever reason (maybe because town marvellosity set his sights on you). Artanis had some really weak scumgames. In THAT CASE claiming JK is pretty good. If noone counterclaims you will survive AT LEAST a day and be able to push an agenda. If you get counterclaimed you outed a really important role (if scum has a vigi getting rid of our protective role basically means they need one less mislynch for example) and in the worst case you just still get lynched. Maybe you even survive because people are idiots. So town Artanis obviously did not claim because of being afraid. So why would he? Artanis says he claimed because he thought he was outed by a dumb breadcrumb (which I think is HIGHLY unbelievable itself) he did which marv put emphasis on. So what do you do in this situation? The answer is you never ever ever claim right away. What does town get from your outing? Nothing. If you think you absolutely need to claim for whatever reason you can still claim during the end of the night to avoid getting shot if scum happen to not know about you. By claiming you are destroying any chance of them not knowing for no real benefit. If Artanis is town he acted incredibly stupid to a degree that is absolutely insane. I refuse to believe this and that he would not put any thought in how to play as one of towns most important and strong roles. The likelihood of him being mafia is much much higher. Add to this the claim by NaCl and we will absolutely lynch Artanis today. + Show Spoiler + On June 06 2015 07:42 justanothertownie wrote: Noone would ever make the connectionof lock = jail. Are you kidding me. Yeah, yes. There are never ever both jk and doctor in a 13 player mini with scum having 1 KP. NEVER. His reactions and surprise and looking at claims while analysing which ones make sense or not is very towny of him. I am quite happy to add him to the town pile of Artanis[Xp] and Justanothertownie thus far. prplhz is more of a toss up, I'm not sure what to believe really. His initial reaction to the claims seemed a skeptical but also as if they were not at the same time: post that give me pause are posts like: combined with He pretty much outlines reasons that Artanis[Xp] could be town while still saying that we should lynch him which is incredibly confusing, hence why I'm not sure about his alignment right now. I actually think marvellosity is mafia in this game. He has had several overblown reactions that I don't think he'd have as town and his reaction to this double protective role claiming is very sub par for him. I don't think he'd ever agree with Justanothertownie's reasoning for voting Artanis[Xp] and then just blindly lynch fuba. Ever. The reactions that I am talking about are: both Artanis[Xp] and Yamato77 were marvellosity's scum reads. Yet, when they did such utterly terrible things it garnered this reaction from marvellosity. Now, he's played quite a few games with Artanis[Xp] and from what I've seen he catches him if he is mafia quite regularly and has seen Artanis[Xp] claim things like mafia but lynched him anyway. This is a stupid claim and his initial reaction is frustration at stupidity but we find out later that marvellosity is STILL scum reading Artanis[Xp]. This, in tandem with his reaction to Yamato77 (his other scum read) seems very disingenuous. Now, getting to the part of the claims. I never expected marvellosity to just sit back on a lynch when there were 2 protective roles claimed in the thread. ESPECIALLY if one of them was his original scum read that has now been outed. However, his reactions are so meek that I can only conclude that this is a mafia marvellosity. He barely mentions the fact that there are 2 claims. He in fact ignores it. He bypasses this fact to then just talk about Artanis[Xp]'s reaction instead. However, it's as if he doesn't even care about it. He'd rather just sit back and lynch whoever instead of trying to figure things out. Fuba is such a cop out lynch and not something I think he'd be doing. Regardless his play this game can be surmised as: Overblown reactions to Artanis[Xp]'s stupidity and a fake reaction to Yamato77 and nothing. Also: I do not think he'd ever ask this question as town. I'm actually blown away that he'd ever ask this when he 100% knows it would never get answered. He has also now claimed inactivity excuses. I think he is mafia. Yamato77 is another person that I think is likely to be mafia. Out of all the reactions he had me scratching my head the most. He seemed to instantly believe that both claims were entirely real and that Artanis[Xp]'s post was most definitely a breadcrumb and never listened to logic that dictated otherwise. I don't think he ever pondered the possibility that one of the claims was false or otherwise. Artanis[Xp]'s breadcrumb did not look like a breadcrumb at all and was actually in a standard phrase that many people use in mafia so "in hindsight" it still doesn't look like a breadcrumb at all. I think he has shown that he is using too much information to make a read and that becomes very evident in this situation. I think mig's reaction: + Show Spoiler + On June 06 2015 16:59 Mig wrote: Some stuff I noticed, marv/yam interaction looks a little forced to me. Marv has to have played with yam 50 times by now. Yam is like this every game, the marv blow up seems overly emotional. I have seen marv blow up before but this seemed a bit much considering yam was just being his usual yam self. Just something to keep in mind. Feast/artanis interaction - If either of artanis/feast are scum it is very unlikely that the other is also. The claim/counter claim/ artanis vote feast stuff is too random. Just a weird/unlikely series of interactions if the scum team planned out an artanis fake claim. I honestly have no idea if having 2 protection roles would be OP for town or not. If mafia has a rber it doesn't seem that outlandish to me. That being said I am fine with lynching artanis. I read through Noir mini mafia that he just played and I actually think artanis played well that game. Day1 of that game was about as useless as this day1 has been and he still managed to actually post some useful thoughts. So far today he has posted a paragraph on being a little suspicious of JTA and that's it. Along with that his story for why he claimed is meh. Alternating between claiming because he was bored and because marv mentioned his line with the word lock in it. It was fairly clear that marv wasn't even saying that it was a bread crumb just that artanis was giving superfluous commentary. Assuming that mafia would have figured out he was JK from that is retarded. Seems more likely that artanis is bsing. Kind of funny he said this, made a few more posts then disappeared for the rest of the day as well. Artanis if you are town give your reads, make a case etc. actually looks quite genuine and thought out, it shows that he's analytically looking at the alignments of the big event that happened in the game so far and did some background reading to make sure. His interactions points seem a bit too surface level though so a bit hesitant to add him to a town circle but definitely not in a scummy circle quite yet either. This is getting a bit long and i'm not sure people are going to read it so for the sake of clarity People I am happy with and think are probably town: Artanis[Xp], justanothertownie People that I am happy with: mig, possibly fuba for analysing peoples' reactions (not mentioned in long post sorry), Alakaslam People that I am ok with: prplhz People that I have no idea about: VayneAuthority (not mentioned but I don't really have a clue, didn't like his reactions though), Chezinu (ignored most of the game), FecalFeast, People I think are scum: Marvellosity, Yamato77, boxerfred (I read his past game where he was mafia and it looked very similar) ##unvote ##vote yamato77 He also reads me as scum - well AMA then, really don't want to make you think that. Since you refer to my last game for your statement, I'll say 2 things: a) 1 game of many to come is not indicative of how I play, neither as scum nor as town. It was my first game ever on TL mafia, even my first game ever in a forum. b) Can you please point out the parallels that you are seeing so scum boxerfred can get rid of them? Nah kidding. You don't need to explain the parallels to me as of now but before you start a train on me getting a mislynch, I want to have the reasoning behind it. Since town is supposed to find scum I'm not mad at you for pointing out things on me that look scummy. It's fine, go on. I just don't like marv jumping that train. He's just adding fuel to the fire. Shame I'm adding more fuel by myself already, I need to calm down. This is just deeply inconsistent - either the things on you are valid/scummy or they are not. So even if you think jat/salty are town, you should be attacking their reasoning, rather than simply attacking me for holding the same/similar reasoning. | ||
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On June 08 2015 22:53 boxerfred wrote: It's valid that this was a TMI-ish call, can't deny that. If you go in my filter, you'll see that I needed a while to realize that. So I see why there's a scum lean on me. Regarding the bolded part: oh should I? Why should I stop going after you? I just explained? Literally everything you have on me is: 1. you don't like my shit-fight with yamato, which is just a feeling (NB: I have never, to my recollection, just randomly shit-fighted with any of my mafia partners for no reason whatsoever. But that's just a sidenote) 2. you are attacking my reasoning on you which somehow you accept is valid coming from two of your "townreads". no bueno. | ||
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On June 08 2015 22:59 fuba wrote: I will say that the scummiest thing about vane isn't even anything he did. In yamato's last game, he opened with an instant vote for VA. Basically a policy lynch. I think he could have done the same thing this game and not looked suspicious, but he didn't. Maybe because he didn't want to bus so early? *shrugs* (At work for the next few hours) lol this is amazingly tenuous | ||
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On June 08 2015 23:21 boxerfred wrote: Good posts on yamato being scum. No vote following that up however, and no reasoning. Lateron, he says it "was an emotional reaction". See also: True, but what I don't like is that you point out that it's a towntell. That could be a scum play. Coming out of nothing, really. Just a pressure vote for an afk I guess. Then, two pages of oneliners happen, with great posts like.. "You don't like my reasoning? Well fuck it then". Not liking that. Quality Why those two in particular? Oh. I thought bussing = getting a vote train on someone going with the intention of a mis-lynch. :< Regarding mic: well scum read with decent reasoning into meta town read, full circle. I like that he went off me and onto someone else, though he backed off rather fast. I'd like to know what he thinks about Vayne, as I pointed out before. Re-reading my stuff vs. him - I might want to erase those posts from the thread, most of it is rather emotional and dumb. Shouldn't post late-night. Fire at will now I have nothing to fire at will at, because this is a bunch of random commentary that shows nothing about anything | ||
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On June 09 2015 01:17 VayneAuthority wrote: I mean there's not much to say about this game. I always read games fully and think about the game in filters but only post if there is truly anything to add. All the people I think are scum havent really posted since my last post....so yea. you could reply to the stuff that boxerfred aimed at you, that might lead to nice things | ||
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And I am going to sheep Vayne the Voluptuous ##unvote ##Vote: Chezinu | ||
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On June 09 2015 08:11 Chezinu wrote: winner! "Chezinu has been EXTREMELY lurky. Does he always play like this?" http://www.quicktopic.com/51/H/VvfyheV2wLp marv knows me better than that. you know you lurked like fuck when we were mafia together  | ||
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On June 09 2015 08:14 Chezinu wrote: Marv are you just mad that you died before getting the gym membership card? ha! missed this on first read through | ||
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On June 09 2015 17:29 Mig wrote: Chezy I don't think you actually think I am mafia. Your hatter claim is obviously bs, that role is too fun for you, 0 chance you forget about the game as a hatter. The only reason you are claiming I am mafia is because you are claiming that I am mafia team mates with marv and now am trying to save him. Really don't think you believe that. I guess that probably means you are mafia and now just spamming stuff you don't believe to distract the thread and cause chaos. I agree with this btw. There's no reason for Chez to think I am mafia (and i am not). Push on FF was ?? and is now gone with the wind. Now he's bringing Mig into it? meh whatever. i'd happily die to take you down, chez my friend | ||
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On June 09 2015 18:53 boxerfred wrote: I don't see any reason to unvote someone who is not replying to pressure. Like, you all went on the Chez train because "oh he's not here" and now that he's here you start saying "nah he doesn't look so scummy anyways". I might do the same depending on his replies but as long as there are no replies, well why should I change my stance? Show me this. | ||
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Given my last words about Chez were "i'd happily die to take you [Chez] down" On June 09 2015 17:58 marvellosity wrote: I agree with this btw. There's no reason for Chez to think I am mafia (and i am not). Push on FF was ?? and is now gone with the wind. Now he's bringing Mig into it? meh whatever. i'd happily die to take you down, chez my friend | ||
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On June 09 2015 18:57 Mig wrote: Gosh! 3am and I have another tourney tomorrow so gotta sleep. What do you think of Jat's defense that you gave him a town read so he has to be town. Is that accurate? People like sleeping marv so much they are using you as their defense now. well i'm not sure i remember giving him as strong a townread as i am implying xD but historically he would be correct, given our interactions this game, "statistically" that would make him extremely likely to be town. Usual disclaimers about how this is a new unique game and i could be wrong etc. | ||
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On June 09 2015 18:58 justanothertownie wrote: Close one. Marv would have loved that one. not close, i'm there. i have it quotable :D | ||
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On June 09 2015 19:00 justanothertownie wrote: You said "I think those players are town:" without any caveat and listed me. I don't think you have ever done this when I was scum since heavyweight. you're right, i haven't | ||
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On June 09 2015 19:03 boxerfred wrote: I just re-read the last pages and apparently, I was wrong with that. Still got the feeling though that besides the votes on Chez, noone is really trying to read into his posts and find out what's going on. What do you take from this observation? | ||
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On June 09 2015 19:06 boxerfred wrote: True that! See, you actually CAN point to something. That's all I wanted. Well done. Why?????????????????????????????? You can read his filter for this. Why do you need him to say that? It's inane, banal | ||
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On June 09 2015 19:15 boxerfred wrote: Can't extract a point of such weirdness, sorry. i'll rephrase my question. why did you say the observation in the first place? | ||
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1. marv "hey bf, why you not interested in vayne and stuff?" 2. bf "uh... he's not replying! also no-one is reading into chez!" 3. marv "what does it mean that no-one is reading into chez?" 4. bf "nothing! his filter is super weird" 5. marv "uhhh??" | ||
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On June 09 2015 19:22 boxerfred wrote: No. I did not make a point. I simply wrote about a fucking filter observation not coming to any conclusion or point. I came to that conclusion when you asked your questions 2 minutes ago. stop reading stuff into my posts that is not there. You made the fucking point to deflect off me questioning you on Vayne I don't see any reason to unvote someone who is not replying to pressure. Like, you all went on the Chez train because "oh he's not here" and now that he's here you start saying "nah he doesn't look so scummy anyways". I might do the same depending on his replies but as long as there are no replies, well why should I change my stance? "why would I unvote Vayne? Here! Look at what you guys are doing with Chez!" that was precisely your defence here. | ||
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On June 09 2015 19:23 boxerfred wrote: not gonna continue that circlejerk now. you can't keep running away and martyring every time the heat is on. Firstly, that makes you a pussy. Secondly, that makes you a pussy. | ||
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On June 09 2015 19:29 boxerfred wrote: yeah I'm not really angry so I choose my insults on a ironical basis. ^_^ | ||
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On June 09 2015 19:29 boxerfred wrote: I distinctly remember that I played one game of Mafia thus far here and can't tell if you're right. + Show Spoiler [VayneAuthority] + Newbie Mini Mafia XLI Town Vanilla Endgamed Day 4 Les Mafia Mafia Vigilante Survived Day 5 Carnival Cruise Mafia Town Vanilla Killed Night 1 Roulette Mini Mafia Town Vanilla Survived Day 7 I Swear This Is Normal Mini Mafia Town Alignment Cop Endgamed Day 0 Basterd Mini Mafia Town Vanilla Lynched Day 1 Nuclear Winter Mafia Town Vanilla Killed Night 3 Sicilian Mafia Style Mafia Vanilla Killed Night 6 Titanic Mini Mafia! Town Vanilla Killed Night 2 Persona 4 Mini Mafia Town Vanilla Survived Night 4 Aperture Mafia 2: Episode 2 Third Party Survivor Killed Night 2 Golden Sun Mafia Mafia 2-shot Vigilante Survived Day 0 TL Mafia LXII: TL Noir Town Vanilla Killed Night 1 Thug Life Mini Mafia Town Vanilla Survived Day 6 Hogwarts Mafia Town Vanilla Killed Night 2 TL Mafia LXIII: Time to Die Town Mad Hatter Killed Night 6 II Titanic Mini Mafia Town Vanilla Modkilled Day 3 SMB Mini Mafia Mafia Goon Survived Day 4 Survivor Series Mafia Town Vanilla Lynched Day 2 Catastrophe Mafia Town War Survived Night 7 You Only Shoot Once Mafia Mafia Vigilante Lynched Day 9 [N] TL Order Mafia LXVI Town Vanilla Endgamed Day 6 Guilty Mini Mafia Mafia Vanilla Endgamed Day 3 Devils Riddle Mafia Town Werewolf Survived Day 3 New Years Eve Party Mini Mafia Town Vanilla Lynched Day 1 The Void Mafia Town Mason Killed Night 3 VII Titanic Mini Mafia: I Have a Cunning Plan... Town Vanilla Survived Night 4 Aperture Mafia 4: This Time it's Personal Mafia Nicol Bolas Survived Night 4 Game of Thrones Mini Mafia Mafia Goon Lynched Day 5 5 minutes of your time to confirm/deny jat | ||
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On June 09 2015 19:32 prplhz wrote: artanis prplhz boxerfred ? | ||
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On June 09 2015 19:33 prplhz wrote: list of people jat has needlessly pissed off this game ordered chronologically can i get one for me? | ||
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So much seems wrong but I've lynched people like that before and they were town, so. | ||
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On June 09 2015 19:41 prplhz wrote: i only have to talk to jat for a few posts for his dumb bullshit to piss me off so much i can't do anything else. this boxerfred thing, i sort of get the TMI argument but it's not strong enough. the guy is around and doing tons of shit while getting shat on. again, i totally see where the martyring/frustration after talking to jat comes from. artanis had it, i sort of had it, marv had it? now boxer has it. lynching someone for martyring after they have talked to jat who is a fucking asshole is just not sound. and i don't want to be in lylo with chez because then i know i'm just going to lynch him over anyone else (i know it's not lylo tomorrow). i don't like his posting after we started pushing him either. this makes me sad because you are not reading what i am saying about boxerfred. sigh | ||
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On June 09 2015 19:46 prplhz wrote: i saw you point on how he talked about chez. sometimes people make general observations for no particular reason. the point was, if you were reading, it wasn't for no particular reason, it was directly tied in to my questioning him on Vayne, and he was using Chez as a crutch/reason for how he was treating Vayne. doyousee? | ||
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On June 09 2015 19:58 prplhz wrote: so your point is that he's saying "i'm voting vayne for the same reason you're voting chez" and then that's scummy? hmm not really/quite but if you can't read/understand it i can't really be bothered to explain at this stage | ||
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On June 09 2015 23:17 justanothertownie wrote: Why? Any reason to townread him or do you just think the others are more scummy? maybe both? I know it sounds silly to say 2nd half of d2, but i kinda want to give him more time... i can see him being town | ||
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On June 09 2015 23:25 justanothertownie wrote: It would be more helpful if you had any actual reason or could show me a post that makes you think so and why. it would, but it seems like unnecessary effort unless he's in genuine danger of being lynched. | ||
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its main quality is ridiculousness | ||
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On June 10 2015 00:33 Half the Sky wrote: I generally think VA is town if he does post 1-2 useful things. I don't think he did that in Aperture 4 but when I tried to hold him accountable for "tryhardiness" in that game he told me don't consider his gameplay in the whole context of things...and then he was mafia. Figures. My play in Aperture was terrible but I digress. God-awful metric to read VA | ||
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On June 10 2015 01:00 fuba wrote: This cuz you think I rolled scum, and you know I hate rolling scum? naw, it's the heavy assault you're being subjected to. my statement proffered no opinion on your alignment | ||
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On June 10 2015 01:12 justanothertownie wrote: Implying there is banter between the 2 of you elsewhere? :p i introduced him to mafia via the gay thread & irc | ||
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is that what it is? phew | ||
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i made no sense out of it at all ^^ | ||
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On June 10 2015 03:19 fuba wrote: That's absolutely true, but he could also just be being chezinu. Which is why I'm trying to find a list of his blue games XD In any case, almost everything he says points to him claiming to have checked marv, and having that check come back red. grats. fuba: "it's weird that marv isn't sure what chez's post means, it means this" *a tiny amount of time passes* fuba: "oh yeah, it could mean all these other things too, guess marv is sexy as fuck and correct as always" | ||
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really feels like he should actually have pushed me with a bit more conviction if he had a red check | ||
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i really don't get it if you're cop you're cop whether you're getting lynched or not it makes no sense | ||
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On June 10 2015 07:41 Chezinu wrote: What if I was unlynchable guys... would you hate me? this makes me feel better | ||
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On June 10 2015 07:50 NaCl`y wrote: This is where we simply lynch marvellosity to confirm Chezinu as cop or confirm him as mafia. i disapprove | ||
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On June 10 2015 07:51 NaCl`y wrote: It's objectively the best play no it isn't i've never suggested it myself in any other game | ||
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because it's definitely the only reason he's given | ||
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On June 10 2015 07:55 Fecalfeast wrote: I've not done a real analysis but I am pretty sure my shenanigans hit more than they miss so tell me, why am i mafia? | ||
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so no-one voting me has any reasons? | ||
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On June 10 2015 07:56 Chezinu wrote: Cause if we kill you tonight, we would have to kill me tomorrow! That is... if you really are town... so again, a nothing thanks | ||
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On June 10 2015 07:59 Chezinu wrote: faith>logic? works for me every games. FF be the hatin me all the game. He used to like me in the other games.. he was a brownie... there might be some validity to this will think about it tomorrow | ||
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On June 10 2015 18:35 Fecalfeast wrote: watching GSL anyone else here? hey | ||
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On June 10 2015 19:19 Fecalfeast wrote: That's all, though? just lynch you? you want me to sink my cock into your dead corpse as well or something? | ||
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not necessarily stopped me before though. Vengeful. i accept your point about not being a chez-lover because he was boring and afk, btw. | ||
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On June 10 2015 19:27 prplhz wrote: why do you keep saying vengeful and what is it that role does? that's just coincidence and it is not in any way a role hint or claim :D just describing myself. | ||
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On June 10 2015 19:30 Fecalfeast wrote: did I say vengeful? Why did you go straight to necrophilia marv? a boy has his kinks | ||
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On June 10 2015 15:46 Half the Sky wrote: + Show Spoiler + 3 The Chez claim issue bothered me as well, I know there's more quotes but we'll start off with this On June 10 2015 02:52 fuba wrote: I find it strange that marv says he sees no sense in what chez is saying, when I think it seems pretty clear. On June 10 2015 03:08 fuba wrote: I don't know. But the same question could be asked about him if he is scum. I know chez likes posting in riddles rather than just saying what he's thinking, so maybe that's an answer for both questions. Gonna check for chez's previous blue games, see if he'd just outright claim then. And I know cops aren't informed whether there's millers or not. But it's reasonable for a town cop!chez to remind us that there's the possibility of millers being in the game, if he expects his death to confirm him as a cop, and confirming that he checked marv, and it came back red. On June 10 2015 03:48 fuba wrote: Yes. If I was in chez's place (assuming for the moment that chez is town), I'd assume that that message would be read as a red check on marv, in the event of my eventual flip as cop. On June 10 2015 04:53 fuba wrote: No, it's absolutely clear what chez was going for. It wasn't clear at all to me and the fact I had to read his filter several times...AND double check the theory by checking other games as a DT. I don't know how he was absolutely seemed to be sure but one flaw in my argument is whether he's had more exp with Chez doing this sort of stuff but as a DT I wasn't seeing it. So I don't know where it came from. Talking in absolutes I agree is a scum behaviour though. The other potential issue is how he kept second guessing himself. Given those two quotes I brought up re: Fecalfeast, it appeared that self-consciousness bled over here when Salty, prplhz, myself, etc were questioning the DT claim and could also be interpreted as him being worried how he looked to us. There were several instances. On June 10 2015 03:09 fuba wrote: Eh, maybe I'm just wrong. On June 10 2015 03:20 fuba wrote: Gonna say I agree, but gonna say again, it's Chezinu... I mean, in his own way (presuming I know enough about his way to even say such a thing), he seems to have done just that. On June 10 2015 03:45 fuba wrote: Actually, at that point, he did have plenty of votes on him already. Guess he could have just been acting the entire time. By themselves, it's not a problem, but when taken in context with the whole being self-conscious about appearance, it becomes a problem. It adds a layer of scumminess to how he's viewing things based on what he said to Fecalfeast. yeah this is what i was talking about wanting to look at last night, so thank you for going ahead and doing that work for me. It is really odd. No, it's absolutely clear what chez was going for. In particular things like this, fuba has said (I think in this game even?) one of the things he does is look at all the possibilities from all different angles (i'm sure he would confirm this) and yet in this particular murky instance he comes across as totally sure what's going on | ||
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On June 10 2015 22:18 justanothertownie wrote: So can you tell me now why on earth you were townreading him earlier? The only reason I did not consider him was that you said you think he is town because to me his play has been insanely scummy all game. I thought I could understand what he was thinking. Then I also thought he wouldn't try to have that friendly engagement he had with me at the point he did. And post quite a few posts in a row that didn't look overthought. i might well still be townreading him if salty hadn't brought what was an excellent point about absolutes (the one you liked) | ||
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The thing about Chez was that he was actually right/astute a lot, but you either couldn't understand or people would ignore him. we're in a great spot anyway though On June 08 2015 02:18 marvellosity wrote: I think these people are town: 1.marvellosity 2.justanothertownie 3. NaCl`y 4.prplhz 7. Alakaslam 13. Artanis[Xp] if I'm right about these, then just lynching everyone else indiscriminately would do the trick. | ||
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On June 11 2015 01:40 boxerfred wrote: Why exactly is marv town, jat? ask yourself, you went through my filter and came to the town conclusion | ||
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On June 11 2015 02:14 justanothertownie wrote: You will probably not like the reason. Ok, first of all he is putting in quite a bit of effort even though we lynched mafia day1 and it is his second consecutive scumgame. He could do that as scum but it is something. But more importantly the reason I scumread him early day1 can be explained by what he said about not being joyful as town. Dick move analysis says he would not try to convince me that this is the case with the argument that he wants to retire from playing mafia. I just do not think he would do that. If he did, fine. It will never work again. But I doubt it. And fortunately if we lynch his partner he will probably concede anyways - it will get easier to lynch him the longer he lives. So I do not concern myself too much with doubting him. it's a good reason, because you know i wouldn't | ||
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On June 11 2015 03:09 Fecalfeast wrote: I don't think he's actually suspicious of me. Seems like everyone is just keeping me on the backburner as usual saving you for lylo sweetie | ||
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On June 11 2015 03:11 Fecalfeast wrote: I know, and then I win in lylo because I am the wizard ya it's a flawed plan. | ||
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I mean this in all seriousness, and not as a criticism of you, so please take it in the spirit it's intended (we'll assume you're town for now) when you talk about someone, you need to be clear/concise about how what you're saying is more likely to come from a mafia perspective than a town perspective this isn't the first time you've done this - you just comment on a series of posts and you create your own narrative. Well, I (and also most other players in this game) can easily provide you with an alternative narrative. A better case structure is as follows: 1. jat does this thing (1 or 2 quotes as evidence) 2. here's why it makes sense from a mafia perspective 3. here's why i don't think it's the town perspective 4. conclusion | ||
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On June 11 2015 04:14 marvellosity wrote: I mean this in all seriousness, and not as a criticism of you, so please take it in the spirit it's intended (we'll assume you're town for now) when you talk about someone, you need to be clear/concise about how what you're saying is more likely to come from a mafia perspective than a town perspective this isn't the first time you've done this - you just comment on a series of posts and you create your own narrative. Well, I (and also most other players in this game) can easily provide you with an alternative narrative. A better case structure is as follows: 1. jat does this thing (1 or 2 quotes as evidence) 2. here's why it makes sense from a mafia perspective 3. here's why i don't think it's the town perspective 4. conclusion for a town bf so it doesn't get lost | ||
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1. jat does only oneliners, has a huge misread on Artanis which I don't think would come from such an experienced player. 2. jat does a TMI-ish call on NaCl (yamato got hanged for a similar one on artanis) 3. a filter of oneliners is not townish 4. thus he's scummy There is nothing inherently mafia-ish about posting one-liners. My average word count is lower as town than it is as mafia, and jat plays in at least a kinda similar style to me. so that's at least part of 1/3/4 out the window can you explain why it's TMI-ish call on NaCl? I'm not going to read your case again to find it, so just a sentence would be cool | ||
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