EPT[M][N] I Still Can't Believe it's not Themed Mafia - Page 4
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JAT, look at pages 67-68. Confidence isn't sudden. | ||
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1 FF, the two quotes he said to you, the one is above, but the second from what I recall indicated he wanted to post something that would be acceptable to others - to me this sounds like blending in or not wanting to be confrontational. Did anyone else get that impression? 2 Also on the topic of that first quote are his reads, which I know Salty tried to compare with the way he did it in Carnaval. I read his filter again in Carnaval last night, and I see where the "smattering of reads" is coming from. One problem I have with the boxerfred read is how "tone" - he used genuine - changed his opinion of someone, and the thing with tone reads is that they give an initial impression - if someone is scummy the first go, I would think you'd be a little more cautious or needing something more than tone for that read to change. Something seemed off there. 3 The Chez claim issue bothered me as well, I know there's more quotes but we'll start off with this On June 10 2015 02:52 fuba wrote: I find it strange that marv says he sees no sense in what chez is saying, when I think it seems pretty clear. On June 10 2015 03:08 fuba wrote: I don't know. But the same question could be asked about him if he is scum. I know chez likes posting in riddles rather than just saying what he's thinking, so maybe that's an answer for both questions. Gonna check for chez's previous blue games, see if he'd just outright claim then. And I know cops aren't informed whether there's millers or not. But it's reasonable for a town cop!chez to remind us that there's the possibility of millers being in the game, if he expects his death to confirm him as a cop, and confirming that he checked marv, and it came back red. On June 10 2015 03:48 fuba wrote: Yes. If I was in chez's place (assuming for the moment that chez is town), I'd assume that that message would be read as a red check on marv, in the event of my eventual flip as cop. On June 10 2015 04:53 fuba wrote: No, it's absolutely clear what chez was going for. It wasn't clear at all to me and the fact I had to read his filter several times...AND double check the theory by checking other games as a DT. I don't know how he was absolutely seemed to be sure but one flaw in my argument is whether he's had more exp with Chez doing this sort of stuff but as a DT I wasn't seeing it. So I don't know where it came from. Talking in absolutes I agree is a scum behaviour though. The other potential issue is how he kept second guessing himself. Given those two quotes I brought up re: Fecalfeast, it appeared that self-consciousness bled over here when Salty, prplhz, myself, etc were questioning the DT claim and could also be interpreted as him being worried how he looked to us. There were several instances. On June 10 2015 03:09 fuba wrote: Eh, maybe I'm just wrong. On June 10 2015 03:20 fuba wrote: Gonna say I agree, but gonna say again, it's Chezinu... I mean, in his own way (presuming I know enough about his way to even say such a thing), he seems to have done just that. On June 10 2015 03:45 fuba wrote: Actually, at that point, he did have plenty of votes on him already. Guess he could have just been acting the entire time. By themselves, it's not a problem, but when taken in context with the whole being self-conscious about appearance, it becomes a problem. It adds a layer of scumminess to how he's viewing things based on what he said to Fecalfeast. | ||
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Aside from fuba, I want to look at some of the other votes that came in on Chez. Namely BF's "everyone is doing it" when he voted on him. It looked really bad but Chez also hinted at BF being "scared" when BF switched to marv and didn't have (IIRC) anything to say re marv. And Mig voting him recalling that chez wouldn't forget a dt game or something when he was pushing JAT earlier on - granted I disputed why JAT was scummy on the argument he was giving but here's the quote before he voted him: On June 09 2015 16:18 Mig wrote: Honestly I am not sure, like is this post by chez and the one following basically him claiming mafia? It sounds to me like yam is his servant in the story. I don't really fucking know what to take seriously with chez. Obviously hes trolling but it seems more likely to me that chez would troll pretend to be mafia as mafia over doing so as town. I am good with lynching chez or JTA. If we want to talk absolutes here's an example of the opposite extreme - we discussed fuba and the DT claim but here Mig's sure this is a mafia claim. To be fair he's not sure what to take seriously. Although I'm skeptical of other's interpretation of meta, what concerns me more is a similar issue with Chez, how he drops the push on Fecalfeast prior. Except his push on FF was stronger and then he dropped that in favour of JAT/Chez. He pushed Fecalfeast all of Day 1 pretty relentlessly, listed some bulletpoints and I'm not sure where that went for Day 2. Nor can I tell from his filter what changed in his opinion. The drop like with Chez I viewed as scummy. | ||
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On June 10 2015 07:05 boxerfred wrote: maybe? dunno if he flips green, we lynch marv amirite? On June 10 2015 07:05 boxerfred wrote: no wait if he flips blue that is well gnite won't be around eod because i need to sleep. didn't explain why marv was mafia as he'd asked. Basically vote switches without adequate explanation is also scummy. | ||
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Though even if you had to consider that the switch to marv d2 was pure troll the fact he just asked why marv is town makes me wonder if he was really trolling. At least I am taking that post on the previous page more seriously given marv's response. | ||
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Trolling might not be a great reason to TR him (in of itself). | ||
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And where does that put you with respect to JAT and Marv? | ||
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On June 11 2015 02:57 justanothertownie wrote: It's all in my filter. He tried to get a lynch going day1 and made that case on me day2 and I don't think he does this if he is scum and knows I am town and universally townread. I don't have a strong townread on him or anything but it is enough to make him a way worse lynch than fuba or boxer or maybe even FF. Got it. I have zero experience with him, so I wasn't sure if you were seeing something in him that I was not. | ||
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Also if you are suspicious of FF, was there anything specific aside from the lurkiness that drew your attention? I know he's just looked at Mig and I feel I'm on the same thinking there, though I need to double check the timing of some of those things. Although if some of the things he's posting doesn't line up it might not necessarily make him scum - I know I've accused FF before of taking things out of context in Titanic 7 and he was town. | ||
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On June 11 2015 03:09 Fecalfeast wrote: I don't think he's actually suspicious of me. Seems like everyone is just keeping me on the backburner as usual He's called you a lurker at least, what, three times now? Or useless or however he's phrasing it? | ||
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