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Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
June 09 2015 15:02 GMT
#1249
JAT, I know what you mean by his filter, why you don't like it, why he's showing scum tendencies etc, but would I rank him top of the list for lynch is another question though.

I have to wrap up things at work but I should be fully caught up rest of the thread after dinner and then I'll dive BF and Chez a second time.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
June 09 2015 15:04 GMT
#1251
If that was it, then that's even worse than I expected.

I checked VA's filter now - he voted once for Mig and once for Chez, post-lynch reaction he's saying wtf Yamato has sunk to new lows (paraphrasing) so that just doesn't compute logically on my end.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
June 09 2015 15:15 GMT
#1256
Well yeah there's that and then you look at back to back quotes from fuba (operative words in bold):

On June 08 2015 22:59 fuba wrote:
I will say that the scummiest thing about vane isn't even anything he did. In yamato's last game, he opened with an instant vote for VA. Basically a policy lynch. I think he could have done the same thing this game and not looked suspicious, but he didn't. Maybe because he didn't want to bus so early? *shrugs*

(At work for the next few hours)


On June 09 2015 03:56 fuba wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2015 22:57 NaCl`y wrote:
On June 08 2015 22:53 fuba wrote:
Don't think I'm up for a bf lynch today. While his yamato association reads could be scum, it could also be newbie townie confidence. It would also seem strange for 2/3 of the scumteam to passively vote for each other for most of D1, exclusively. And, he's actually here, playing, which is more than can be said for half the thread, myself included.

I'm gonna have to think about who I want to lynch instead, though.


His newbie game has walls of text of involvement. I don't think bussing is strange in the slightest either.

Your post gives me massive hesitancy about your alignment though. Why are those things unlikely? VayneAuthority, chezinu, Alakaslam are all chronic afkers despite their alignments.

People having hesitancy about my alignment is the standard way of things, so I'm kinda glad we've returned to it. Was making me uncomfortable.

I haven't read his newbie game. Might do so tonight. But I don't really see the point in comparing this current game to his single previously played game. Speculating on how he might play town based off of his scum game is silly, and without having at least one of each, you can't even attempt to form some kind of meta read.

What I think is silly is light bussing pretty much immediately, and then remaining on that nearly the entire day. Admittedly, at the end, BF went balls to the wall against yamato and anyone not voting for him. As I said earlier, it could be TMI. Can't fault anyone for thinking that. But I see it as a town newbie, excited that his first scumread was getting lynched. He doesn't seem concerned with how the thread sees him (until he's actually called out on it). He seems genuine.

I would probably see it differently if it was someone who wasn't in their second game.

Show nested quote +
On June 08 2015 23:00 marvellosity wrote:
On June 08 2015 22:59 fuba wrote:
I will say that the scummiest thing about vane isn't even anything he did. In yamato's last game, he opened with an instant vote for VA. Basically a policy lynch. I think he could have done the same thing this game and not looked suspicious, but he didn't. Maybe because he didn't want to bus so early? *shrugs*

(At work for the next few hours)

lol

this is amazingly tenuous

Yeah, I never said it was anything more than that. It's pretty much all I can say about Vayne though.


Considering he has not done anything after this it's a soft push at best, then again to be fair VA probably isn't giving much for him to push on, but we go back to why he made that first quote in the first place.

Someone (you marv?) said he had a hard time posting as scum and a quote like that with a response like that (second quote) makes me think (if what you are saying is correct) he's posting just to post.

That's the impression I get from reviewing those last two things of his filter.

He says Vayne is scummy and I'm having a tough time seeing why, you are having a tough time seeing why and then he says "I never said....etc....it's pretty much all I can say."

The quotes alone don't make him mafia but based on what you (or whoever said it) know about him, that he has trouble posting or in this case explaining his position on Vayne.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
June 09 2015 15:16 GMT
#1258
Sweet, he's back. Ah okay. Your second quote "that's all I have to say on Vayne" made me wonder where you were going with that.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
June 09 2015 15:18 GMT
#1259
So you (fuba) don't think VA is scum but apparently BF does? (or did?)

Alright.

Where do you stand on BF then?
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
June 09 2015 15:19 GMT
#1261
Actually slight followup to my last question - fuba aside from your position on BF, where do you also stand on VA?
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
June 09 2015 15:33 GMT
#1269
On June 10 2015 00:24 fuba wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2015 00:18 justanothertownie wrote:
On June 10 2015 00:15 Half the Sky wrote:

Someone (you marv?) said he had a hard time posting as scum and a quote like that with a response like that (second quote) makes me think (if what you are saying is correct) he's posting just to post.

That's the impression I get from reviewing those last two things of his filter.

He says Vayne is scummy and I'm having a tough time seeing why, you are having a tough time seeing why and then he says "I never said....etc....it's pretty much all I can say."

The quotes alone don't make him mafia but based on what you (or whoever said it) know about him, that he has trouble posting or in this case explaining his position on Vayne.

Exactly.

Right now, I'm still thinking BF is town. Though I'm gonna read his previous game to see if I get the same feeling from him there as I do here.

And I have little idea about Vayne. The only thing I directly remember about him is his reaction to yamato flipping (which was either just an honest town reaction or scum wifom) and the fact that he reposted his post about me from our last game together (which would seem to indicate he's a survivor XD).

So... my current VA read is a whole lot of *shrugs*


Yamato and VA I know have been around a long time and his expectations of yamato's scum play might be indicative of what his true meaning was there...well fuck, I don't know enough about yamato as mafia except that in Ippo he lurked and just did not play. But Ippo was last month, I know jack all how yamato has played as mafia from whenever before my time.

I generally think VA is town if he does post 1-2 useful things. I don't think he did that in Aperture 4 but when I tried to hold him accountable for "tryhardiness" in that game he told me don't consider his gameplay in the whole context of things...and then he was mafia. Figures. My play in Aperture was terrible but I digress.

This game though...to me those 1-2 "useful" posts I'd say are the comments on mig, the entrance and his metaread on Chez. I think he's town.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
June 09 2015 15:34 GMT
#1271
On June 10 2015 00:28 boxerfred wrote:
My behaviour this game is totally different from last game I have to say. Lots of bullshit posts and lots of fights that I normally don't take.


And how does bullshit and fighting make you town (by the way you worded it)?
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
June 09 2015 15:37 GMT
#1273
On June 10 2015 00:34 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2015 00:33 Half the Sky wrote:
I generally think VA is town if he does post 1-2 useful things. I don't think he did that in Aperture 4 but when I tried to hold him accountable for "tryhardiness" in that game he told me don't consider his gameplay in the whole context of things...and then he was mafia. Figures. My play in Aperture was terrible but I digress.

God-awful metric to read VA


Maybe I'm not the best at it, but I know he lurks as town, as far as town games are concerned that metric comes from void, titanic 7, carnaval to a lesser extent. Void he tried to look at my filter after I got lynched for instance. Carnaval he was survivor and tried to look at fuba. If it's shit-tier, fine but I probably have more limited experience with him than you have.

Maybe I should look at more games, but I'm just recalling from whatever I played or hosted with him.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
June 09 2015 15:46 GMT
#1277
Fair enough. I think at this point BF/Chez/Mig/Fuba might be the most productive way to focus at this point and then if we find out we're wrong on enough of them, re-evaluate.

Also BF you highlighted the part in my quote regarding Aperture - I am not saying VA is scum here. I am using that last game as an example where he did trick me. But in that quote I was questioning where fuba stood on him, and then he made comments on you.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
June 09 2015 15:47 GMT
#1278
And BF you're voting Chezinu because everyone does it anyways?

>_<
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
June 09 2015 17:31 GMT
#1308
Well I know from experience (Titanic 7) aware millers should claim first thing as doing so later tends to be more questionable esp if the gameplay doesn't support what would be a town role.

And if they are unaware, case closed, but we can't know either away in a closed setup. Either way not good if that's what he's claiming.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
June 09 2015 18:14 GMT
#1328
On June 10 2015 03:08 fuba wrote:
And I know cops aren't informed whether there's millers or not. But it's reasonable for a town cop!chez to remind us that there's the possibility of millers being in the game, if he expects his death to confirm him as a cop, and confirming that he checked marv, and it came back red.


Or....he could just hardclaim now (especially his forced to go afk) and out with any given check (assuming he's alignment and not parity) be it marv or whoever else so that it's clear that is what he was doing.

And why are you suggesting he checked marv?
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
June 09 2015 18:14 GMT
#1329
Ignore the last question, he never took his vote off him.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
June 09 2015 18:16 GMT
#1330
Still the previous point stands. A hardclaim and a check would give us direction. Nearly every true blue claim comes with a check or a list of prot actions, etc.

I mean you were JK in Carnaval and when you were forced to claim, you claimed and then you explained why you JKed ritoky. It should be the same approach here.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
June 09 2015 18:25 GMT
#1335
Hang on.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
June 09 2015 18:26 GMT
#1336
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Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
June 09 2015 18:26 GMT
#1338
He has 3 games as DT and all were bloody ages ago. Let's see.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
June 09 2015 18:29 GMT
#1341
In this example, he's pretty blatant if this should happen to be from a real check. At least there he's giving direction...

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/98457-gg-red-army-mafia?page=53#1041
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
June 09 2015 18:30 GMT
#1343
I mean by your own theory the whole "talking in clues" is probably not going to hold up Fuba if that's what you're claiming should qualify as a DT claim for him.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
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