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Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
June 15 2015 19:05 GMT
#2143
On June 16 2015 04:03 prplhz wrote:
##Vote VayneAuthority


From your standpoint, why?
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
June 15 2015 19:15 GMT
#2146
On June 16 2015 04:05 boxerfred wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 16 2015 03:42 Half the Sky wrote:
When you have the time, can you explain why you voted fuba yesterday (the votes only got closer I believe after you AFKed)?

I had almost no time to read so I voted off of a feeling to not get modkilled. I gut-felt that fuba was under pressure and decided that my vote would not get him killed, thus it'd be safe to put pressure on him too without actually killing him.


I don't understand the logic here.

You could have voted for anyone so that you would not get modkilled.

How does fuba - or anyone - being under pressure - alone, make them scum?

There are things such as pressure votes, but pressure votes generally have a purpose.

So let me ask you this - putting into context your lack of time - if you had had the time to re-evaluate, what would (you have wanted) your vote on fuba to achieve?
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
June 15 2015 19:20 GMT
#2147
On June 16 2015 04:05 Half the Sky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 16 2015 04:03 prplhz wrote:
##Vote VayneAuthority


From your standpoint, why?


Actually let me elaborate - what makes him better lynch than BF?
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
June 15 2015 21:28 GMT
#2164
I'm on the way home from a cafe right now. Give me approx 10-15 minutes and I'm back on the laptop.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
June 15 2015 21:45 GMT
#2167
Alright, here I go.

Re voting for fuba - I agree. He's using the lack of time as an excuse which was why I purposely re-phrased the question to see where his mentality was. The fact there's no response makes me think he's out of ideas (which I've seen happen as either alignment with people) or just not wanting to put information out there, the latter which is exclusively mafia.

The issue with the spreadsheet issue is that BF at least judging by last game generally willing to have a go even when disadvantaged as mafia, not sure if you are aware but NSM10 he was giving it a go as mafia until one of the townies literally bullied him into conceding which (obviously) was out of order and earned that player (a vet) a 3 game ban.

In this scenario, the bullying that occured in NSM10 is obv not happening but in any case I was more interested in seeing the purpose behind what he was doing, and not seeing the mentality or the ability to explain it is quite problematic from a town perspective. There needs to be a purpose. Also lack of original thought is generally a scum trait.

So this is why I'm not treating his giving up as alignment indicative. I want to lynch him based on the points raised up through and including last cycle and of course today it's just gotten worse.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
June 15 2015 21:50 GMT
#2168
Do I think VA is a better lynch? Well one thing that made me wonder is how he has been hard defending boxer.

What makes it potentially scum trait is that several things have been happening over the course of the game with boxer, and that read has been completely static with new information. If boxer is actually indeed town, VA actually could be mafia. I broached the idea of TMI with him, which becomes glaringly obvious given all the scum behaviour that's been weighted against him. So it raises the question why (aside from the JAT/BF argument that VA commented on as being town on town) or what else or what changes make him think he's town.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
June 15 2015 21:50 GMT
#2169
EBWOP that read has been completely static despite new information (not "with")
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
June 15 2015 21:52 GMT
#2170
I checked prplhz's last read on boxer, looks like he's not fully sure on him but just need to know what he's seeing what others may not be regarding VA.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
June 15 2015 21:55 GMT
#2171
On June 16 2015 06:35 Mig wrote:
One thing I think at least, if boxer is mafia then prplhz is more likely town (as backwards as that may seem). If he wanted to save his team mate I assume he would have posted something arguing for why vayne is a better lynch instead of just voting vayne and afking. Voting and disappearing would actually make prplhz more suspicious if boxer flips mafia.


Not to be persnickety but you are contradicting yourself here. Which do you actually mean?
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
June 15 2015 22:22 GMT
#2177
Oh wait......on the topic of VA....he yolo voted JAT. I completely forgot about that.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
June 15 2015 22:23 GMT
#2178
On June 15 2015 07:55 VayneAuthority wrote:
im pretty sure we are all town guys, the answer is to no lynch and unlock the secret victory. honestly i got nothing this game. everyone at some point has given me a pretty good reason to read them as town,

##vote justanothertownie yolo


And this was before prplhz voted VA.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
June 15 2015 22:25 GMT
#2180
But yeah same problem here, he's not explaining why. And VA also called the JAT/BF fight town on town......so what changed with JAT (he was in his PoE in his filter) that didn't change with BF?
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
June 15 2015 22:26 GMT
#2182
On June 16 2015 07:25 justanothertownie wrote:
The thing is VA can be scum regardless of bfs alignment.


If this is the case do you think this is a better reason then to lynch VA over BF?
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
June 15 2015 22:27 GMT
#2183
Oh okay, you ninjaed me and I misunderstood.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
June 15 2015 22:37 GMT
#2187
I think Palmar said it once in the Carol post-game, if it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck....
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
June 15 2015 22:39 GMT
#2189
The thing re: fuba is that there were legit contrasts with Carnaval and Chez, I have never played with. Though if I recall right, he was mafia-siding a bit though in Ippo. He made great items as inventor but gave a couple of them to mafia >_<
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
June 15 2015 22:48 GMT
#2196
On June 16 2015 07:46 VayneAuthority wrote:
basically my vote is a tipping of the hat to JAT as a player, i honestly doubt anyone else in this game could trick me that badly no offense. only other player i havent really played with is fecal and boxer so i could be wrong on those ofc.


Uh you played Carnaval with him??? He was scum, you were 3p?
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
June 15 2015 22:48 GMT
#2197
EBWOP - Fecalfeast
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
June 15 2015 22:50 GMT
#2200
VA, you think JAT is mafia. You said the interaction with him and BF was town on town.

So where and how and why did that read change?
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
June 15 2015 22:51 GMT
#2203
You kept the same read on BF. And you changed your read on JAT. I'm asking why.
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