Witchcraft Mini Mafia III

On June 08 2015 15:18 FreezingFoot wrote:


Can you explain this?

On June 09 2015 08:36 wherebugsgo wrote:
also please. too early for that kind of pressure? That's literally the only time of game you can do that stuff, because there is literally nothing else to do.

this game is still slow as hell despite my attempts to stir discussion. Half the town hasn't voted and there are like 3 people who have either not posted or have barely posted. It's demoralizing.

On June 09 2015 08:48 Bill Murray wrote:
Case on WBG:
1) ad hominem
he directly attacks FF instead of her argument, and then does so again with LS

2) scumandeering
he is trying to push forth mislynches and it is painfully obvious he is doing so, since it's with terrible reasoning that he is fully disguising

3) misrepresentation
he is trying to say I said he was town whenever I was saying I know he has to be mafia due to my meta on him

4) Meta
I have played with WBG a lot. This is not how he acts as town. Guy needs to be lynched; he's scum 100%

5) Policy
If all of these reasons don't sway you, consider voting him for committing logical fallacy

On June 09 2015 08:55 wherebugsgo wrote:
How many games is "a lot", BM? Give me a number.

On June 09 2015 08:59 wherebugsgo wrote:


ROFL

going to ignore you now. I would suggest everyone else do the same

On June 09 2015 11:27 yamato77 wrote:
I mean, calling people bad is not a scum tell.

On June 09 2015 11:46 LightningStrike wrote:
Bugs I think activity will pick up soon don't rage quit like that and I also think your town :o

On June 09 2015 12:05 Breshke wrote:
To further the LS thing I believe he has trouble like posting in succession in the thread. This game he seems fine when he is being reactive like responding to questions from people but his own questions feel really forced and not going anywhere like he is posting stuff just to post stuff.

On June 09 2015 12:08 Breshke wrote:


Could you give me an example of the bolded, I don't see it.

Also this is my point you say he is a condescending player so why is this scum condescending and not town condescending.

On June 09 2015 12:17 Breshke wrote:


Okay so what do you think about LS reading his past games and coming to the opposite conclusion to you? I get you said he is misguided town but I don't see why this hasn't been discussed between you two yet.

I actually agree with a lot of WBG reads and still don't reall see the problem with the wording but that isn't really something I pick up on. So if you want to handhold me through it that would be great.

On June 09 2015 13:42 Tubesock wrote:
##Vote: wherebugsgo

1. Chezinu rules. I worship the brown. LightningStrike basically same rule.
2. Flat wrong on the smurf issue and continues to bring it up. Town points to the person who understands the massive town advantage to having FreezingFoot be someone like townHolyflare. Bugs is NK1 hunting. Why would he ask who he should suck up to and who sucks?
3. Pretty often tunnelled towns help dig their own grave. If can't out him, easy mlynch.
4. After a couple people town Foot (sorry reading FF makes me think of Fecalfeast) he posts "oooh look I have 5 townreads! I'm just like YOU GUYS!"
5. Bill Mother Fucking Murray.

On June 09 2015 13:46 Tubesock wrote:
Also, I don't care who the smurf is.

There is another instance where smurfing is beneficial to this town. We tend to rely a lot on meta. So, what happens when someone's meta is do nothing town, but try hard mafia and they want to change that? Or a chance to see if they can.

Like, I'd lynch Onegu in an instant if he try harded.

On June 09 2015 13:58 The Shining wrote:
Well this is awkward. I thought this game started today, not yesterday. I've read pretty much everything, just want to dive filters now, since I started glazing over a lot during the whole smurf debate and feel like I could've missed stuff.

Overall, if WBG is seriously BMing("joining the lurkers) over his case being attacked and being scummed when he's been adamant and ad hominem/has been condescending is pretty inconsistent. Like you're calling players scum AND bad. Why can you dish the heat and not take it? I only have WBG as possible town because I don't think scum would continue rolling with that so hard and then continue pushing other things and conversation in the thread. And I've also had times I've BMd as town over activity levels and attacks but...I'm also not nearly as abrasive. I'm not 100% sure WBG is town but I think he's not the best lynch for today.

I never know how to read LS. I'm not sure I even want to bother trying this game. Every time I do, I just get scummed in return, regardless of whether I deduce he's scum or town lol. But for right now, I could lynch him. First page of filter is a few one liners, some wishy washy stuff and emoticons. And some of those one liners were questions he never followed up on or took anywhere(the questioning Stutters AND Shockey, two "lurkers"). But they haven't even been on to reply so it's NAI. I'll give him a very slight town lean for now for being willing to post past games and stepping it up once the game moved on from the smurf debate.

Don't lynch Yamato. That's pretty simple, right? I was worried that Terrorblade comment would be his only post but that big analysis post, although a bit hard on the eyes, looked pretty good. At worst, it's a good townie looking at WBG and LS objectively. At worst, it's scum misdirection in a HUGE post that can be revisited later, but I really don't think that's the case.

I think BM could flip scum here. He opens with voting me, presumably as pressure to get me to post, but he leaves it up for about an hour, if that. Seems like a really odd way to pressure vote and without posting to that point, I'm not sure what else I would've been voted for. Then he puts up a semi-serious? vote on Bats. Buddying WBG. Clearly says not unvoting. Next post? Unvotes. Votes WBG. Yes, he explains WHY he's voting and going after WBG but prior to that, there were 2 rather unexplained votes, including a clear indication that he wouldn't move. What changed? BM, explain? What are you reading bats as now?

FreezingFoot. Funny thing is, I found myself having the same thought regarding WBG's entrance. Trying hard to look town, asking who is "good", etc. I feel like it is a genuine reaction if I reacted the same way. But I've already explained that later things WBG did make it harder for me to believe he's scum. But I also like Freezing's later questioning of Shockey. 2nd time he posted something I was thinking while reading. And I subscribe to the "two D1 contributors going at each other hard are usually town" theory so I won't lynch FF or WBG today. Freezing town.

Onegu very slight scum lean for not claiming VT and then pointing it out himself. It's like he realized he broke his meta because he isn't town but he turned it into a joke to trivialize it. Note that in acknowledging he didn't claim VT, he proceeded to not claim VT. So he's not VT. Easiest read ever. The list post was a bit underwhelming, too, but since I took that word from his own filter, I can't judge it very much. Can't chalk him up to much more than a null right now.

Shockeyy. I can't say anything about him until he answers FreezingFoot's questions. But even those 2 posts were inconsistent. Policy lynch with a gut scum feeling.

Stutters doesn't do D1. But even as for as not doing D1, the level of activity for him is bad. He likes FF. Is going to try and post more. I could lynch if he doesn't at least try to get SOMETHING out before EoD.

Tubesock is town side of null. The entrance is ok but I'm parroting WBG's spreadsheet here. It could be nothing or it could be something but I also picked up on him knowing FF was a girl. But I don't remember seeing FF confirm that. But I have FF in my town pile so meh.

Bats I like for town. The few times I've played with him, he's been a bit sporadic but his questioning have clear trains of thought and I liked the picking up on Tube/FF female thing. It shows he's actively reading and has an interest in solving the game.

Breshke is slight town pile for now. He was willing to reassess his read and vote on FF but he did it in a well thought out and explained post, not just a "oh I got caught trying to jump on a wagon, let me backtrack" kind of manner. He's also actively questioning. Not a good lynch today.

Kickstart is town town town. General rule of thumb. Don't lynch the larger filters on D1, since you can come back to them instead of destroying all activity in the game and letting lurking scum win. Kickstart's early posts felt a bit odd but it seems he was just playing into the flavor and getting discussion going. Since then, he's been looking at everything in thread, from WBG - FF to Breshke's vote to commenting on everyone who has posted.

On June 10 2015 02:21 Half the Sky wrote:


wherebugsgo (3): Bill Murray, ShoCkeyy, Tubesock
LightningStrike (2): wherebugsgo, Yamato77, Onegu
Onegu (2): Breshke, Kickstart
ShoCkeyy (2): FreezingFoot, batsnacks

Not voted (3): The Shining, Stutters695, LightningStrike,

Currently, no one is set to be lynched!
Day 1 ends in at 23:00 GMT (+00:00).

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch. Remember to vote in thread, and cast withcraft votes via PM

Failure to vote in either category will result in a modkill.

On June 09 2015 15:01 Kickstart wrote:
But Onegu admitted to being scum team.

@BM I think it doesn't benefit town as much if a player with a strong town rep wants to smurf and play lazy. Other than they will survive (OH MY GOD I MUST KNOW FOOT IS A HYDRA!!!!) night 1. Course I kinda think that they won't be able to help themselves and still solve the game D2/3 which is also good for town.

On June 10 2015 02:42 The Shining wrote:
Fair point, Bill. I like my BM acronym for people who BM. So you're Bill now. Better?

And no, I'm not implying you don't random vote as town. I'm implying that you yourself said your Bats vote was a rather serious one, which implies it isn't random. Are you implying that it was in fact random when you called it serious?

You're more concerned with being one of my scumreads than the content of any of my other reads. K.

I'm not lynching LS or WBG today. Onegu isn't defending himself or doing particularly much. And I'm with Freezing, I don't understand what exactly Shockey was trying to say in his post and him not being around to explain it is no good.

For now. Subject to change.
##Vote: Shockeyy

On June 10 2015 03:11 batsnacks wrote:


wot

On June 09 2015 02:15 Stutters695 wrote:
I like FF. His points are solid and currently I could get down with a WBG lynch from it. At work, but going to try and post more.

On June 10 2015 03:27 FreezingFoot wrote:
No, really.
BM scumreads bugs with me
BM ignores the townie points I've brought on bugs
BM townreads Shockey out of NOTHING and wants to lynch coinflip stutters instead
BM scumreads me, who was scumreading bugs (his main scum read) out of a stupid association with STUTTERS.

Please. Vote this guy. It's ridiculous

On June 09 2015 13:59 FreezingFoot wrote:
##Unvote
##Vote:Shockey

I've being extremely busy today. Just got home.

Did a quick skim in the thread. I've read bugs spread sheet and his reads felt genuine (with the exception of Breshke), reevaluating most of them accordingly to thread progression + I'm not willing to lynch the biggest filter day1 + him being upset with lack of activity feels true (I don't think scum would fuck off like he did when he is the main wagon). He may still be scum but this is enough to let him live another day. We already have a lot of information from him and we can deal with him later, if that is the case. I prefer to have him around day2 than any other scummy person who has few to almost no post at all.

On June 10 2015 03:29 batsnacks wrote:


BM thinks this is the best shockey has ever played. You're the meta master what do you say about that?

On June 10 2015 03:35 FreezingFoot wrote:


Wow. Can you get any worse than this?

All you've posted here are contrived shit. The ONLY quote you've posted was to say something completely stupid. And even if you really believe in this "you voted first" shit, if you really scum read me you should KNOW I already called Shockey out before.

Lol you're scum.

On June 10 2015 04:55 The Shining wrote:
Yeah BM you forgot me.

On June 10 2015 04:59 batsnacks wrote:
I think we should all vote stutters unless he comes back and towns himself. If stutters does come back to town himself we can switch to LS at the last minute. This plan assumes town is cool enough to not afk and accidentally no lynch.

On June 10 2015 05:06 batsnacks wrote:
Also we need 7 votes LS is a great lynch if all else fails.

On June 10 2015 05:10 batsnacks wrote:


Also what are you doing parrot man I see you there.

On June 10 2015 06:58 wherebugsgo wrote:











how's that for insulting

On June 10 2015 07:04 wherebugsgo wrote:


if he were town he'd already be dead. there's no way this much resistance would be present.

On June 10 2015 07:07 wherebugsgo wrote:


I want to lynch Bill too.

But let's talk about Shockey. He's probably not scum, and even if he is he's definitely not a good lynch today. his entrance into the thread was pretty good, and in particular his reaction here:



in particular the bolded-the tone of posting and the indignance with which he defends himself is not a scum trait. I don't think he's the best bet to be scum after he responded like that.

On June 10 2015 07:19 wherebugsgo wrote:


aww I'm sowwy Bill Murray

can we be friends now?

On June 10 2015 07:39 wherebugsgo wrote:


Really?

Other lurkers also parked their votes on stutters. And on BM at times too!

Also how do you get that expectation from this dude? Emotionally I don't get that impression from LS. Even if he did, wouldn't he provide a scumread at some point? Do you think LS's town play is so weak that he is incapable of coming up with ONE scumread in 48 hours?

At various times over the past two days I've skimmed like half of his town games, and in none of them do I see a situation where he has absolutely no scumreads whatsoever. He doesn't appear to me the type of player who is wildly afraid of putting their finger of suspicion on someone like he is this game and in other games in which he has turned up scum.

On June 10 2015 07:45 batsnacks wrote:


I don't know what you're talking about here you will have explain better if this isn't just some weird rhetoric.

On June 10 2015 07:46 Kickstart wrote:
Bill don't tell who you vote to get powers. Christ. Mafia has 2 silver bullets they can use anytime to instakill ppl who got powers through the witchcraft votes.

On June 10 2015 07:48 Kickstart wrote:
so now im your top scum read along with lurkers? rofl

On June 10 2015 07:48 FreezingFoot wrote:
Fuck this

After LS flips green, lynch BM and if he flips red, lynch bugs for calling him mafia but refusing with all his guys to lynch Bill

On June 10 2015 07:48 Kickstart wrote:
So you are being willfully retarded opposed to accidentally being retarded? Noted.

On June 10 2015 07:50 wherebugsgo wrote:
obviously your only choice is to take my opinion at face value, because I could certainly be under the effects of confirmation bias, especially since I knew his roles going into reading those posts. However I think the differences in tone, emotion, style, and specificity are enough for me to be confident that this is not his town game, even if he did get mislynched for what you think is a similar style. Sorry, but you're most likely just wrong.

On June 10 2015 07:50 Kickstart wrote:
Indeed I am.

On June 10 2015 07:50 FreezingFoot wrote:


LOL LOOK AT THIS SHIT!!! AAAARGH

On June 10 2015 07:51 Kickstart wrote:
Anyways, if LS flips red we for sure kill into foots/bats. Foots would be best target, then a tossup between bill/bats I guess.

On June 10 2015 07:51 batsnacks wrote:


Even if I'm wrong I am your greatest ally because I am HARD DEFENDING him with reckless abandon and willing to lynch ANYONE in his place.

On June 10 2015 07:52 Kickstart wrote:
Obvious no, but I am still of the opinion you shouldn't tell who you voted to get powers. Of course you could be scum and just making shit up cause scum don't actually vote for ppl to get powers.

On June 10 2015 07:54 wherebugsgo wrote:
anyway not gonna post for a bit because I need to draft up the night post for my own game.

pls no voteswitch

On June 10 2015 07:30 LightningStrike wrote:
Okay I just going to vote to save myself
##Unvote
Vote: Bill Murray

On June 10 2015 08:46 FreezingFoot wrote:


Because I'm town

On June 10 2015 09:47 Breshke wrote:
I'm actually not that much of a fan of morph. If scum shoots you and you don't die they just silver bullet you the next day. Actually I guess that gives us more blues next phase idk it is w/e

BM can you explain why you switched off of LS or direct me to a post where you explained it

On June 10 2015 09:19 wherebugsgo wrote:



stop using shit that's not alignment indicative to indicate things of alignment!

being dumb, aggressive, passive, lurky, active, none of these are alignment indicative by themselves. They paint a picture in context of other things. If BM is scum he himself knows he doesn't have a vote, and "acting dumb" is fucking easy. All he has to do is say that scum get a vote and some idiot townie will come along and say he's town because he doesn't know scum don't get votes.

I don't know why people fall into this trap over and over and over but it's exactly the reason that mafia players on this mafia only need to be 10% as good as townies to do anything remotely "amazing"

On June 10 2015 09:20 batsnacks wrote:
If my vote change at the last minute is irrelevant than why does it make me scummy?

Also my bat-senses are telling me that tube is mafia.

On June 10 2015 09:21 Breshke wrote:


I'm 100% sure you play scum better than me no one was having a dick measuring contest but thanks for getting yours out to show

Silver bullet gets refunded if role blocked so it's not like they really lose that kp also if someone role locks someone and there is still one shown kill does that mean that person is mafia or maybe scum didn't use their silver bullet or missed with it. I think RB is good in best case scenario whereas blaspheme while shittier always provides info

On June 10 2015 09:25 wherebugsgo wrote:


this is not a contest. I am a crap townie and I'm pretty decent at scum, which is why I am very confident in the situation I described to you, but I was not very confident in the end that LS would flip scum.

Even if the bullet gets refunded you are potentially keeping a townie alive for another cycle at least because a silver bullet during a half cycle results in a flip (if it is successful) at the end of said half cycle.

In other words if you RB the witch hunter successfully the target ends up living for the next day to push lynches with you. That's almost equivalent to saving them as a medic/JK. The only difference is that the RB can actually directly stop normal KP delivery, which in this game is incredibly useful because a JK on a good townie can actually prevent a blue usage.

Now of course saving that townie is more valuable than the blue usage but it's better to have more townies alive for longer than it is to rely on things like DT checks.

DT is only good in best case scenario. RB is good even in not so good scenario, simply because the number of scummers is so low. Remember a green DT check doesn't mean shit, it's only the red one that matters.

On June 10 2015 09:32 Kickstart wrote:
Nice try.

So which is it. Am I scum or not scum.

Also I don't put much trust in your "reads", nor should anyone else.

Your nice list post (which I almost always read as scummy- lost posts with nothing), was blatantly wrong on stutters and probably wbg, might be right on foot but I think you are bussing so whatever. Of course you were wrong on LS as well.

But then you are as wishy washy on FF as you are with everything else so. You are just keeping options opens and potential "outs" for yourself, scum play.

Wrong again.

More wishywashiness on foot. Keeping your options open instead of committing; scum mentality.

I bet you would, scum.

You aren't unvoting aye? Nice lies.

No it isn't.

Said you wouldnt voteswitch did it anyways and the target you switched off of was scum.

wrong again

probably more lies.

Just concede already scum.

On June 10 2015 10:08 Kickstart wrote:
You, accusing someone of posting pointless things, how funny.
Thought I told you to concede alrdy scum?

On June 10 2015 10:08 Kickstart wrote:
And it doesn't take more than a few oneliners to sum you up. Watch me do it in one word:

useless

On June 10 2015 10:10 wherebugsgo wrote:
just ignore BM dude

On June 10 2015 10:57 ShoCkeyy wrote:


I don't understand why everyone is so against each other when a few of us clearly know who town is, but yet ignoring this. Tube is probably mafia, his LS read was shit. Also Foot's answer to my question was shit too.

On June 10 2015 10:23 Breshke wrote:
it annoys me that you put more effort into replying to posts from people saying to ignore you than ones where im actually trying to work out your allighnment.

How did you fuck up and why did it make you switch your vote?

On June 11 2015 05:07 Kickstart wrote:
But to summarize I explained that if scum saw Bill on their team they just bus him regardless because it is only a matter of time before he gets lynched so you get free town cred. tubes I said was scummy before eod1 and you and bill looked the worst after the lynch. Don't see anything confusing in any of that. You reading me as being too enthusiastic or whatever is just you misreading me.