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FF I want you to explain why your vote has been wasted
is it merely out of principle now?
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On June 10 2015 07:28 batsnacks wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2015 07:26 wherebugsgo wrote:On June 10 2015 07:25 Breshke wrote:On June 10 2015 07:24 wherebugsgo wrote: oh god I'm nervous This comes off as really fake it's the truth. we have half an hour to go. I'm 90% confident but it's always the 10% that scares me Why are you concerned at all if you're 90% confident that is overwhelming confidence for a d1 lynch? If LS flips town and you could instantly take it back and lynch someone else today who would you choose?
BM, no doubts
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from there onward it becomes harder to tell, though. Originally I had onegu fairly high up there but based on others' reactions (particularly yamato's) I could understand that he's not likely. Shockey was 50% to me until he entered, and he is not so scummy to me but if LS is town it requires a full reread
So for example the players we have less information on are the likes of Shockey, Shining, Tubesock, Onegu, Stutters. Stutters is completely unreadable because he didn't post/vote so hopefully it's just an activity thing and we have a different player to read (or a flip). In the worst case the mods decide to leave him be and we have no idea what he is. That's uncomfortable unfortunately but we'd have to live with it as long as there are better targets
Among the other 4 (Shockey Shining Tubesock Onegu) I like Tubesock the least right now
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On June 10 2015 07:32 FreezingFoot wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2015 07:29 Kickstart wrote: Also LS scum reading Bill who was the only other real possibility of getting lynched (aside form the lurkers which I asked him to ignore) is odd. In this situation as town, I pour out all my thoughts so that town has something from me to go on when I am confirmed town at the flip. Meanwhile LS just afks. THE GUY IS THE FUCKING LYNCH FOR TODAY IF HE IS SCUM THIS IS THE EXACT TIME HE WOULD BE DEFENDING HIMSELF TO SURVIVE YET HE ISN'T EVEN TRYING TO DEFEND HIMSELF ARGGGGH
what
only scum have two choices here. Lurk and just die without further incrimination of self/team or defend themselves.
Townies don't have a choice unless they explicitly ragequit. If this dude is town and not defending himself in this position he deserves to get lynched
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On June 10 2015 07:32 batsnacks wrote: Okay I'm vehemently opposed to the LS lynch and will be voting anyone possible to save him.
##unvote ##vote Bill Murray
No hard feelings bill.
On June 10 2015 07:33 FreezingFoot wrote: Give me a SINGLE reason on why we shouldn't lynch BM. A single one.
1. Because he's not the best lynch.
BM plays erratically as both alignments. He's likely to be scum too
2. Because the likelihood of getting 7 votes in 20 minutes in this fucking town is almost 0%
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god damn
it's hard to tell whether FF/bats just have cold feet/legitimately believe what they are saying or whether one or both of them is scum here
I prefer bats' approach but FF's response seems fishy
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On June 10 2015 07:37 FreezingFoot wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2015 07:33 Kickstart wrote: foot that makes no sense. If he is scum he would shut the fuck up and not give too much info. ESPECIALLY IF NO OTHER SCUM ARE ON HIM TO LAST MINUTE MOVE OFF. But that may or may not be the case. Anways I find his lack of giving us stuff to work with scummy (why I voted him) now that he is still not giving anything when he is set to be lynched seems even scummier to me. Maybe that is how he plays, but I find it odd and I would do the opposite. Dude look how carelessly every other lurkers parked their vote on LS. Look how easily his wagon was formed in the end of the day. It is OBVIOUS this is a mislynch. Look how HARD it is to get Bill lynched EVEN when EVERYTHING he does is scummy. I find hard to believe a scum would let himself get lynched instead of fighting that lynch into someone else. I find easier to a town to just get enough of a game and simply don't give a fuck anymore, since everything he says is turning against him, anyway.
Really?
Other lurkers also parked their votes on stutters. And on BM at times too!
Also how do you get that expectation from this dude? Emotionally I don't get that impression from LS. Even if he did, wouldn't he provide a scumread at some point? Do you think LS's town play is so weak that he is incapable of coming up with ONE scumread in 48 hours?
At various times over the past two days I've skimmed like half of his town games, and in none of them do I see a situation where he has absolutely no scumreads whatsoever. He doesn't appear to me the type of player who is wildly afraid of putting their finger of suspicion on someone like he is this game and in other games in which he has turned up scum.
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On June 10 2015 07:38 Breshke wrote: It's very likely I fall back to sleep maybe even before EOD idk why I'm so tired
Bats thing about BM the diet case is something that would make me vote on him but I also don't think that town LS just afks through a lynch like this when he is always trying to improve his game post game by asking for advice.
like this is a really good point.
I read some of the interactions between LS and rsoultin, for example, in some of his games. I've never played with LS but I got the impression that he's a player that wants to improve at mafia.
If that's the case his behaviour here, if town, makes no sense at all. It only makes sense from a scum perspective.
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On June 10 2015 07:39 batsnacks wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2015 07:36 wherebugsgo wrote: god damn
it's hard to tell whether FF/bats just have cold feet/legitimately believe what they are saying or whether one or both of them is scum here
I prefer bats' approach but FF's response seems fishy Dude your last <large number> posts are just repeating the same thing and flinging scum on anyone who disagrees with you. Your case on LS is much weaker than everything yamato said. If anyone is voting LS for anything you said then they are voting for bad reasons. You need to check yourself out of the confirmation bias mode.
Thank you for providing your input, but I certainly didn't see people voting LS when yamato posted.
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also at various points in this game I have disagreed with basically everyone. In particular, Kickstart.
Yet, I don't think he is scum. How do you explain that, bats?
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On June 10 2015 07:43 FreezingFoot wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2015 07:39 wherebugsgo wrote:On June 10 2015 07:37 FreezingFoot wrote:On June 10 2015 07:33 Kickstart wrote: foot that makes no sense. If he is scum he would shut the fuck up and not give too much info. ESPECIALLY IF NO OTHER SCUM ARE ON HIM TO LAST MINUTE MOVE OFF. But that may or may not be the case. Anways I find his lack of giving us stuff to work with scummy (why I voted him) now that he is still not giving anything when he is set to be lynched seems even scummier to me. Maybe that is how he plays, but I find it odd and I would do the opposite. Dude look how carelessly every other lurkers parked their vote on LS. Look how easily his wagon was formed in the end of the day. It is OBVIOUS this is a mislynch. Look how HARD it is to get Bill lynched EVEN when EVERYTHING he does is scummy. I find hard to believe a scum would let himself get lynched instead of fighting that lynch into someone else. I find easier to a town to just get enough of a game and simply don't give a fuck anymore, since everything he says is turning against him, anyway. Really? Other lurkers also parked their votes on stutters. And on BM at times too! Also how do you get that expectation from this dude? Emotionally I don't get that impression from LS. Even if he did, wouldn't he provide a scumread at some point? Do you think LS's town play is so weak that he is incapable of coming up with ONE scumread in 48 hours? At various times over the past two days I've skimmed like half of his town games, and in none of them do I see a situation where he has absolutely no scumreads whatsoever. He doesn't appear to me the type of player who is wildly afraid of putting their finger of suspicion on someone like he is this game and in other games in which he has turned up scum. LS in game of thrones mafia played similarly and got mislynched by town Holyflare who made a very convincing case on him. This IS how LS plays. If you think BM plays suboptimally regardless of alignment, if you ACTUALLY read LS's town games, you would KNOW this is his usual gameplay. It's as suboptimally as BM's. Why the double standards?
This is not GoT mafia, and I actually read that game and completely disagree. I would have read him as town that game simply because of posts like these:
On April 17 2015 05:10 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2015 04:51 GlowingBear wrote: OH GEEZ UHM ACTUALLY It's not a Mafia qt it's a, uh, "special obs qt" lies. You and Artanis Mafia now who is your unnamed partner?
On April 17 2015 09:55 LightningStrike wrote:You're mafia. Otherwise I would just policy lynch sicklucker Day 3 out 
On April 17 2015 10:51 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2015 10:39 sicklucker wrote: ls has not tried to read me for like 9 games now. whatever hes pretty scummy I do it just much later in the game and we were scum together in Guardians you know I hate playing scum and very happy I rolled town for the first time since XXX.....................................................
He admits he's happy he rolled town (which we know is true BECAUSE HE FLIPPED TOWN) which means he would put in effort as town.
He's not putting jack shit in for effort here in this game.
On April 17 2015 10:55 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2015 08:51 GlowingBear wrote:On April 17 2015 02:21 sicklucker wrote: Guys I got an idea. Lets lynch artanis unless he proves hes town. Because a scum artanis will roll over and die!
artanis[xp]
This is sort of revenge for when you left me as a solo mafia one game ;p I didn't like this post because it sounded very forced and it is useless when he started to inquire WoS for talking about unrelated and not game-solving focused posting. Feels like an unsuccessful effort to appear natural On April 17 2015 07:26 sicklucker wrote: I think its terrible. Ill just vote gb because hes being a prick and voting a town and ill probably never figure him out Uncalled for, Unreasonable justification just to call himself a town. Uncharacteristic since his common town stance is "leave it to me, I've got all figured out!" On April 17 2015 08:17 sicklucker wrote: im just happy to omgus untill one of us are dead. Makes the game more enjoyable to me Unreasonable ranting, specially towards a game that is slow but nothing bad to call it terrible and to omgus for fun. Just an excuse to vote. Conclusion: SL is Mafia Sicklucker can do your 2nd point regarding the "leave it to me I got all figured out" as both alignments. Point #1 was regarding Student VI when both Artanis and Sicklucker rolled scum together and Artanis gave up Day 2 idk how it seems forced? 3rd point yeah it might be unreasonable ranting but I kinda hate how slow the game is. I think it's easier to read sicklucker as either alignment around Day 2 to Day 3 area when it becomes painfully obvious when he's scum.
Look at how specific he is in these responses. There is no vagueness, and the tone is confident. He points out how he thinks sicklucker is wrong on a particular point, and he provides specific reasoning as to his opinions.
Compare that to this shit:
On June 09 2015 05:53 LightningStrike wrote:Okay bugs is totes town he got very similar formatting and stuff to his latest town games to his scum games and his line of questioning to FreezingFoot is also similar how did his line of questioning in his town games. Also Bugs I do tend to do that hey I will be back later stuff a lot regardless of my alignment  Also I truly was bored on the smurf debate mainly because it isn't exactly important to know who the smurf is although would be helpful for meta purposes :o Now that the game isn't focused on the great smurf debate I also got a meta read on bats being town he always a interesting person I just hope he doesn't lynch himself again :O Onegu haven't done much so null on him meta wise.
there's no specificity here. His responses to other players are also very similar in tone and style.
Also when LS is about to die in GoT here's his response
On April 18 2015 07:15 LightningStrike wrote: BTW I wont be posting for the rest of the day phase it just bullshit I going to get lynched because Unholyflare got a case on me when noone else brought a case on someone being scum.
He calls it bullshit.
He has emotion here, and it has clearly escalated.
And this as well:
On April 18 2015 07:13 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On April 18 2015 07:10 Holyflare wrote:On April 18 2015 07:07 LightningStrike wrote:On April 18 2015 07:05 Holyflare wrote:On April 18 2015 07:00 LightningStrike wrote:On April 18 2015 06:58 Holyflare wrote: guaewgwehugewhgujwehew LS IS DEFENDING ANOTHER PERSON GUYS You know I defend people regardless of my alignment had you forgotten how I play as Town? You say you're only going to use meta when it's 100% right yet you defend all of these afk people using meta when you have no idea whether it's true or not. Palmar fake claiming a role (he's 100% done this as mafia before, heavyweight championship (2 or 3?) being one of them, although at a different time and circumstance completely but regardless your meta read on him is incomplete and it's scummy that you just flat out use it to defend him when he hasn't really done much at all. Saying he's an "uncc'd blue" is silly since you've seen a plethora of people claim roles d1 as mafia. GB literally just did it last game (ongoing so w/e). It just looks like you have far too much information to defend all of these people. It looks like you're trying to be "TOO right" with it to the extent where you just only believe what you write and nothing to the contrary because you know their alignments. You do a lot of ONLY defending and not much pushing people who are scum. You use all of these metas to defend and none of the meta to attack. This can be seen when you show your list with like 6 null people on it and your 1 scum read is VA who has the exact same reason to be scum as all your people on your null list but is in fact in your scum list. It can also be seen with your GB read where you town read him but post hesitance in that read at the same time. You don't use meta to pick out these scum reads and null reads and say he does this as town or mafia or whatever. Only defending. If I get lynched you better flip Scum because your push on me reminding me of your push on 27ninjabunnies in Carol............................................ On March 20 2015 01:06 LightningStrike wrote:On March 20 2015 01:00 rsoultin wrote:On March 20 2015 00:59 rsoultin wrote:On March 19 2015 23:48 LightningStrike wrote:Also rsoultin! + Show Spoiler +I added you on LoL on my Level 6 smurf on NA fyi + Show Spoiler +what was the name?  me and my lazy week lol i'll prob be playing today ^^ nvm found it ^^ hey, LS, i think this time you should sheep me, boyo  also, totes not important but since you asked, eden, yes we've discussed my age before xP 26 + Show Spoiler + I willing to sheep HF but if Rayn flips town it might go full Carol O_o On March 21 2015 21:43 LightningStrike wrote: Okay I woke up. Holyflare it's because I was townreading Bill despite his short filter but I liked some of his stuff esp his questions towards Eden when he was here. The fact that you were so certain he was scum kinda reminds me of our time in Carol when you thought 27ninjabunnies was Mafia when she was a Miller that game and was lackluster after that lynch. Also when I said it had be 1 at least 1 of you 3 being Mafia you don't look as bad as Rayn and Palmar esp because of their switches to BM esp they weren't giving much reasons to switch. On March 21 2015 22:10 LightningStrike wrote:On March 21 2015 21:55 Holyflare wrote:On March 21 2015 21:43 LightningStrike wrote: Okay I woke up. Holyflare it's because I was townreading Bill despite his short filter but I liked some of his stuff esp his questions towards Eden when he was here. The fact that you were so certain he was scum kinda reminds me of our time in Carol when you thought 27ninjabunnies was Mafia when she was a Miller that game and was lackluster after that lynch. Also when I said it had be 1 at least 1 of you 3 being Mafia you don't look as bad as Rayn and Palmar esp because of their switches to BM esp they weren't giving much reasons to switch. if you thought this then why on earth did you ask me a question about why i wanted to lynch bm!?!?!?!? you should KNOW why i wanted to lynch bm if you think it looked like carol???????????????? I mean the way the lynch looked like the way 27Ninajabunnies lynch in Carol. Also you brought up that he was likely lurky Mafia and sometimes people just have a bad game and BM had a game here regardless of their pregame stuff. Please don't make it too easy. This is your filter in guardians when you were mafia and said the exact same stuff. Well be damned then just lynch me then.
You don't see any of that here, he just slinks off.
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obviously your only choice is to take my opinion at face value, because I could certainly be under the effects of confirmation bias, especially since I knew his roles going into reading those posts. However I think the differences in tone, emotion, style, and specificity are enough for me to be confident that this is not his town game, even if he did get mislynched for what you think is a similar style. Sorry, but you're most likely just wrong.
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On June 10 2015 07:45 batsnacks wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2015 07:43 wherebugsgo wrote: also at various points in this game I have disagreed with basically everyone. In particular, Kickstart.
Yet, I don't think he is scum. How do you explain that, bats? I don't know what you're talking about here you will have explain better if this isn't just some weird rhetoric.
On June 10 2015 07:39 batsnacks wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2015 07:36 wherebugsgo wrote: god damn
it's hard to tell whether FF/bats just have cold feet/legitimately believe what they are saying or whether one or both of them is scum here
I prefer bats' approach but FF's response seems fishy Dude your last <large number> posts are just repeating the same thing and flinging scum on anyone who disagrees with you. Your case on LS is much weaker than everything yamato said. If anyone is voting LS for anything you said then they are voting for bad reasons. You need to check yourself out of the confirmation bias mode.
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actually it is pretty problematic if I get powers because that means I'm going to get vigged and I can't do anything about it
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On June 10 2015 07:51 batsnacks wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2015 07:50 wherebugsgo wrote: obviously your only choice is to take my opinion at face value, because I could certainly be under the effects of confirmation bias, especially since I knew his roles going into reading those posts. However I think the differences in tone, emotion, style, and specificity are enough for me to be confident that this is not his town game, even if he did get mislynched for what you think is a similar style. Sorry, but you're most likely just wrong. Even if I'm wrong I am your greatest ally because I am HARD DEFENDING him with reckless abandon and willing to lynch ANYONE in his place.
I agree that your thought process leads me to think you are town.
The fact that you are willing to lynch anyone else is a pretty dumb thing to say though
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anyway not gonna post for a bit because I need to draft up the night post for my own game.
pls no voteswitch
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On June 10 2015 07:53 Bill Murray wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2015 07:52 Kickstart wrote: Obvious no, but I am still of the opinion you shouldn't tell who you voted to get powers. Of course you could be scum and just making shit up cause scum don't actually vote for ppl to get powers. scum get a vote to pick powers too dude
no they don't
Q: Can scum cast witchcraft votes? A: No.
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On June 10 2015 07:54 batsnacks wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2015 07:53 wherebugsgo wrote:On June 10 2015 07:51 batsnacks wrote:On June 10 2015 07:50 wherebugsgo wrote: obviously your only choice is to take my opinion at face value, because I could certainly be under the effects of confirmation bias, especially since I knew his roles going into reading those posts. However I think the differences in tone, emotion, style, and specificity are enough for me to be confident that this is not his town game, even if he did get mislynched for what you think is a similar style. Sorry, but you're most likely just wrong. Even if I'm wrong I am your greatest ally because I am HARD DEFENDING him with reckless abandon and willing to lynch ANYONE in his place. I agree that your thought process leads me to think you are town. The fact that you are willing to lynch anyone else is a pretty dumb thing to say though Nah you'll thank me later especially if LS flips scum.
...okay?
if LS flips scum there's no way I live long enough for me to think anything
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