Witchcraft Mini Mafia III - Page 7

On June 13 2015 16:46 Kickstart wrote:
Yeh I had voted FF as my #1 lol, I tried to vote people that werent too obvious so they wouldnt get silver bulleted but I should have changed that vote close to EoD when I was pretty sure he was scum, o well.

On June 13 2015 16:48 yamato77 wrote:
I agree with your point in principle but disagree with it in practice, because rarely will a town smurf just freely out and most of the time you just waste a lot of the time in the day you could be using to pressure players for things they've actually done since role PMs were handed out. Even when the smurf in question is mafia, it's impossible to get people to policy lynch a smurf and convincing people that ONLY a mafia smurf wouldn't out is just loltastic. All it does is make you look worse for focusing on such an irrelevant point and give the player in question reason to be a dick and OMGUS you.

On June 13 2015 16:49 wherebugsgo wrote:
it blows my mind that after all he said d1 that people thought he was in their top 3 town reads

I was starting to think he was more town over time because of the sheer number of people yelling at me but on d1 I would never have considered voting him



nah

it was very clear based on the pressure that he was either hiding being a smurf for a bad reason or he was scum.

Like for almost 12 hours we got almost nothing out of him, and it forced him to be more active, but he never provided real reads

I only backed off because of the sheer backlash I got, otherwise I would've kept tunneling him till he died. I got almost no backup at all on that push so I switched to LS

also if I knew his meta I probably would've nailed him 100%. I didn't have the time to look into his past games when he slipped GB but at that point I assumed I was wrong already

On June 13 2015 16:58 Kickstart wrote:
Yeah I was not buying that they bussed their silver bullet, makes zero sense. How you read my EoD and Night Phase postings and dont see that I found you suspicious is beyond me.

On June 13 2015 16:59 wherebugsgo wrote:


except the reads you provided weren't even reads lol

they had no specificity to them

On June 13 2015 16:57 wherebugsgo wrote:


why?

I really don't understand why this is such a controversial opinion. I think I did my best to show why it was in town's best interest to either get something out of you, whether it be an identity or reads. We got absolutely nothing and yet people still considered you town

I only backed off because people disagreed with me. Generally when so many people disagree with me I start convincing myself that I am wrong. I did not like what you posted but I gave it a rest because it was destroying the thread. That's why I started calling you bad, because if so many people disagreed with me I thought you must be an idiot townie who I should start ignoring for having bad opinions.

It's good that I picked up on LS otherwise I would've started tunneling some poor townie like stutters

also it was definitely NOT a policy lynch. It was pressure based on being a smurf and I didn't like the direction you took after the pressure

On June 13 2015 17:01 wherebugsgo wrote:
anyway it's something interesting. I obviously don't agree with the conclusion of the other people in this game that smurfs should be treated the same as other townies. I think that type of thinking can potentially be really dangerous. Perhaps some people smurf for "obvious" reasons but it's valuable to understand those motivations because identity is like literally the most important thing in this game when you don't have better things to work with. Someone who is named Foolishness should be punished for having shitty reads, but if you don't know that they are Foolishness (or cannot get enough info out of them to understand that they should potentially be a strong player) then you are at a huge disadvantage when attempting to read them

e:



yes, it does.

Some people just don't have specificity in their reads when they are town, because they have bad reads in general. With those types of players if you know that (and the only way you'd know that is by reading their town games) you can adjust your read of them based on that.

After having read some of your town games I know you may be wrong sometimes but you at least give reasons for your reads. Your reasons this game either didn't exist or they sucked (and by sucked I mean the thought process made close to 0 sense from a town perspective) but without knowing your identity I had no idea whether that was normal or not

So the only gauge I had was other people disagreeing with me so I backed off

smurfing is powerful as fuck when you land scum.

On June 13 2015 17:08 wherebugsgo wrote:
yes, obviously convincing people is harder than forming the read. which is why I'm actually trying to show how it can almost never be beneficial for the TEAM for a person to smurf.

When people actually understand this they'll stop giving a fuck if smurfing has "benefits that go beyond his team's goals" which is a fancier way of saying "smurfing benefits the player themselves." That's exactly my overarching point, in like 99% of cases smurfing only benefits the individual player. Town play is entirely team-based, which is why it's almost never in town's interest to have a smurf.

e: also if you have personal interests in smurfing and you don't want to reveal you identity that's generally fine, as I mentioned in-game. Your reaction was solely based on identity though, which was very telling. Since you lacked proper reads that led me further into believing you were scum.

Again the problem was convincing other people, which is so incredibly hard. I've found it's easier to convince them emotionally which is usually why I get people to mislynch into randoms when I play scum. As town for whatever reason I find it really hard to do that because it's hard to use emotion while simultaneously having high confidence you have a scum lynch. Basically what happens is if you lynch the wrong dude you end up dying yourself because you so persuasively told everyone some poor townie was scum

On June 13 2015 17:13 wherebugsgo wrote:
I actually wasn't really paying attention to kickstart, which is why I mentioned to him that I went back and read his posts after he died lol.

Anyway the interesting part to me is that convincing other people as scum is fairly easy because you don't have to worry about being wrong. Well, you can worry about being wrong but worrying about being wrong will usually get you killed because you'll start to show it in your posts.

As town though you have to constantly worry if you are wrong which makes it hard to convince people to vote with you. You can't use emotional appeals because if you end up being wrong you'll look like an idiot and people will try to lynch you (and then you get further away from finding scum)

I really admire those players who can simultaneously find scum and convince townies to vote with them cause that job is so hard

thanks to BH and HtS for hosting and dealing with shenanigans

On June 13 2015 17:23 yamato77 wrote:
looooooooool my night WIFOM worked

tbf though BH didn't tell me I had won until just a few hours before deadline LOL

sick plays were made that night

On June 13 2015 17:26 yamato77 wrote:
Eh I townread you because I was lazy

TBH I really didn't read much you posted all game because it was more difficult to decipher than I cared

I did consider the possibility you were mafia after we saw the voting results because I sorta had reasons to townread Onegu and Shockey and you had basically stopped posting but I still would have checked Onegu over you.

On June 13 2015 17:35 yamato77 wrote:

Just weird formatting/sentence structure/diction. As a non-native speaker you don't type English in quite the same way and it takes more effort to grasp your meaning. Not a lot, just enough for it to be annoying when I'm tired.

Plus a lot of your filter was pretty bad and ragey so I have even less motivation to try to understand what you were saying. I was relying on lazy and bad meta admittedly but I wasn't that convinced you were town anyway because I knew I was being lazy with my read.