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wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
June 09 2015 21:51 GMT
#599
the read literally only matters if you think he is scum and the rest of town is wrong for thinking he is innocent. What matters is finding scum, not telling everyone things they already know.

Who cares if I ask you for your opinion and you come back with "I think there are 3 scum this game"? That's the same level of response you provided when you said you had a town meta read on bats. That's literally what scum do, it takes no effort to say someone is town when you already know their alignment
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
June 09 2015 21:53 GMT
#605
On June 10 2015 06:50 batsnacks wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2015 06:49 wherebugsgo wrote:
On June 10 2015 06:48 LightningStrike wrote:
On June 10 2015 06:41 wherebugsgo wrote:
alright, done throwing a tantrum and I'm going to play to my win condition now. Before I move on, though, one thing is clear:

LS IS STILL THE BEST LYNCH. We need to consolidate quickly or we risk no-lynching. Possibly worse, we risk lynching into a player who hasn't even done anything yet, on pure policy. Yes, lurkers are bad. Yes, lynching lurkers is nice, but ONLY when you have no decent alternative.

This game is actually not as bad as ones I've been in before, given that BM is BM and probably scum anyway, and he's the major reason this game sucks (because there happen to be some people who somehow agree with his shit logic)

To give you an idea of what you are sheeping if you agree with BM, just take a look at this gem:

On June 08 2015 15:47 Bill Murray wrote:
On June 08 2015 15:18 FreezingFoot wrote:
On June 08 2015 15:01 Bill Murray wrote:
##unvote
##vote: WBG


Can you explain this?

ad hominem is a logical fallacy and indicative of scum


On June 09 2015 12:06 Bill Murray wrote:
On June 09 2015 11:46 LightningStrike wrote:
Bugs I think activity will pick up soon don't rage quit like that and I also think your town :o

you're an idiot


anyway there's not much else to say about BM other than he's probably one of the bottom 3 players on this forum regardless of this alignment, and of all the talk of policy lynching in this game is probably the only player who is consistently worthy of one. From my recollection his town play is actually not this cringy so perhaps I am being a little overzealous here, but I do not ever recall a time where I found BM adequately established his own innocence or provided anything useful in terms of scumhunting. Let's leave it at that-I doubt that anyone is willing to lynch BM today but we'll need to lynch him to win the game eventually.

As for why LS is still the best lynch for today:

1. LS continues to exhibit one of the most classic scum traits. A lack of effort, even under pressure.

To give you an idea, his "meta case" on me being town was completely inaccurate. Here are the things he said:

On June 09 2015 05:53 LightningStrike wrote:
Okay bugs is totes town he got very similar formatting and stuff to his latest town games to his scum games and his line of questioning to FreezingFoot is also similar how did his line of questioning in his town games. Also Bugs I do tend to do that hey I will be back later stuff a lot regardless of my alignment Also I truly was bored on the smurf debate mainly because it isn't exactly important to know who the smurf is although would be helpful for meta purposes :o Now that the game isn't focused on the great smurf debate I also got a meta read on bats being town he always a interesting person I just hope he doesn't lynch himself again :O Onegu haven't done much so null on him meta wise.


Jesus, can this be more obvious? Look how many words he uses to say almost completely worthless things. Who cares if LS has town reads? They are not even substantiated by anything. Which questions did I ask of other players in previous games? How is my formatting similar, and what the hell does that have to do with alignment? Which games of mine did he read and why does he not provide concrete examples here?

Another good question to ask would be why he never mentions yamato or tries to convince people to vote yamato after voting yamato himself. In his town games LS generally tends to do this. He asks other people about the reads he has at that moment, just like any other townie would do. Instead, LS quickly moves off yamato after yamato enters the thread (and until yamato entered the thread LS made no effort to convince anyone of his supposed read, which had to be one of the meekest things I've ever seen)

The part that proves LS is full of shit is this post:

On June 09 2015 22:19 LightningStrike wrote:
Okay I back and will answer Breshke's question regarding WBG's meta: From my research he tends to be much more aggressive and more thoughtful as town than scum which demonstrated pretty damn well this game when he pressured FreezingFoot and made a case on me although he is wrong on my alignment since I know Town. As scum he tends to more lurky and not as thoughtful from what I can tell from the couple of games I had checked out from the database regarding his meta. Also @Onegu I didn't scumread you for not claiming VT I just only said you cashed in on claiming VT Day 1 as scum before(XXX) and everyone is VT by default since the Miller is not selfaware also there wasn't much stuff in the thread to work with? I got the following as Town:
WBG: Meta which I just explained.
FreezingFoot: His reaction to WBG seemed pretty townie and looked townie outside of it.
bats: Seems much more in line of his town meta compared to scum meta from my experience with him where the only time I played vs his scum he was I think a little bit more serious that game.
Breshke: He seemed much more focused this game and willing to ask questions more than his normal scum game which I manged to catch him before
BM: Although I think he's wrong on his meta read on WBG he did push it and he actually believes and looked townie for pushing someone who I think is Top Town.
The rest are Null just wish a couple of the people would start posting more


I am NOT lurky as scum. I am far from it, and some of my most post-heavy games have been as scum. I am constantly on the attack and I lead lynches as either alignment. I also make cases regardless of alignment. Look at Storm Mafia, Mini Mafia X, My Little Pony, Couples Therapy, Arkham City or Space Station and tell me in which of those games I lurked. In fact, I don't think I've ever lurked when playing mafia on this forum.

On June 10 2015 03:20 LightningStrike wrote:
I just got home and got a question:
On June 10 2015 00:41 batsnacks wrote:
Who are you lynching today LS? You need to convince 7 people...

Maybe one of the lurkers because the game is pretty inactive and there might be potential mafia in there as much I hate policy lynching lurkers it might be out best shot hitting scum :\


Again, meekness. Look at how little LS wants to strike a confrontation with someone.

This is so obvious in his vote patterns too. Votes someone, then completely backs off almost immediately at the first sign of resistance.

Can anyone tell me what LS's opinions are this game? Can you tell me, based on those opinions, what the reasons are?

Who does LS think is scum and who has LS actually pushed? I certainly can't answer any of these questions without reading LS's posts, and every time I read them I discover gems like these:

On June 10 2015 05:30 LightningStrike wrote:
Honestly despite the fact I know how to read Stutters he prob the best lynch even it's on policy and I hope he picks up before EoD so I can get a better tell on him. Just a reminder this just on pure policy from me and I normally don't do that but it prob the best place to put my vote in my opinion for now.
##Vote: Stutters


A constant barrage of worry from LS about where his vote's going to end up.

The scum translation of this is: "Hey guys I'm totally not scum so when this dude ends up flipping town please don't blame me, this is my warning to you that I actually don't have a really good reason for voting this dude but I'm going to do it anyway because I have to and please don't hurt me after"

just kill him

Ugh was anyone questioning if Bats was town? Hint there wasn't. I usually like to put my vote on someone who I think are scum but unfortunately we just have a bunch of lurkers so it better to shoot fish a in barrel on this lynch. Also on my vote on Shock I intially thought he could be scum but then read his meta and discovered he at best would be a policy lynch since he haven't posted much but his large posts looked better on second look. Also at the time you haven't posted much but I do think you're town just wrong on my alignment though


If no one was questioning if bats was town what the fuck is the point of saying he's town


foots said I could be mafia with BM.


dude you need to read LS's posts.

You seem to have a townish read on LS but I don't understand whether that's because you've played with him before and think you can read him well or what. Read his posts.

He seems to be implying that having a town read on you when other people also had a town read on him is somehow an indication of his own innocence. It literally doesn't matter what anyone actually thought if this is his reasoning.

Look at what he says and the behaviour in which he says it. He's trying to give himself cred for agreeing with something that he thinks other people would have agreed with it. Since when is that alignment indicative? How is sheeping anything a townish thing to do?
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
June 09 2015 21:54 GMT
#608
On June 10 2015 06:52 FreezingFoot wrote:
I am HIGHLY against LS since most of what you said could also come from his town meta. He is ALWAYS this passive, and I wonder

I didn't understand the self-focused point. I think the best point in your case is the part where he calls yamato scum but does nothing with it. But it also fits his passiveness as either alignment.

If you take aggressiveness alone, you should be strongly townreading BM. BM is a WAY better lynch today, seconded only by shockey


I don't count aggressiveness as a scum trait.

BM is scum because he is pushing bad ideas and because he has a history of pushing bad lynches and being a brute as scum.
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
June 09 2015 21:54 GMT
#609
but in general aggressiveness is not an indicator of anything unless it is correlated with a player's history. In fact it's usually a town trait
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
June 09 2015 21:56 GMT
#613
On June 10 2015 06:52 FreezingFoot wrote:
I am HIGHLY against LS since most of what you said could also come from his town meta. He is ALWAYS this passive, and I wonder

I didn't understand the self-focused point. I think the best point in your case is the part where he calls yamato scum but does nothing with it. But it also fits his passiveness as either alignment.

If you take aggressiveness alone, you should be strongly townreading BM. BM is a WAY better lynch today, seconded only by shockey


also there's a clear difference between passiveness/complacency and an unwillingness to encounter confrontation.

One is a playstyle, the other is behavioural. Townies can be passive and complacent but in general they don't attempt to sugarcoat their reads or qualify them by saying "oh just as an fyi this is totally policy, I don't have a good reason for doing this" over and over. They may say it once or twice but in general their justifications come from thought processes about their targets, not thought processes regarding themselves.

The only people who think constantly of their own appearances in thread are scum
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
June 09 2015 21:57 GMT
#616
On June 10 2015 06:56 FreezingFoot wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2015 06:54 wherebugsgo wrote:
On June 10 2015 06:52 FreezingFoot wrote:
I am HIGHLY against LS since most of what you said could also come from his town meta. He is ALWAYS this passive, and I wonder

I didn't understand the self-focused point. I think the best point in your case is the part where he calls yamato scum but does nothing with it. But it also fits his passiveness as either alignment.

If you take aggressiveness alone, you should be strongly townreading BM. BM is a WAY better lynch today, seconded only by shockey


I don't count aggressiveness as a scum trait.

BM is scum because he is pushing bad ideas and because he has a history of pushing bad lynches and being a brute as scum.


I meant that if passiveness is a scum trait, in the other hand, BM must be town under your conception.

I am totally against voting LS today.


it's not a scum trait. Unwillingness to encounter confrontation is different from passiveness/complacency as I described in my previous post.

Perhaps passiveness is a bad word to describe the behaviour that LS has right now. My interpretation of LS's posts is that he does things so that he will go unnoticed. Townies don't do that consciously. I get the impression that with every post, LS has this in mind.
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
June 09 2015 21:58 GMT
#618
On June 10 2015 06:57 Bill Murray wrote:
WBG has insulted numerous people beyond the point that I'm willing to ever play with him again. I'm replacing out or merely not playing anymore this game. Sorry folks. Wisdom of the crowd is in this game so.


On June 09 2015 12:06 Bill Murray wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2015 11:46 LightningStrike wrote:
Bugs I think activity will pick up soon don't rage quit like that and I also think your town :o

you're an idiot


On June 09 2015 12:06 Bill Murray wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2015 11:46 LightningStrike wrote:
Bugs I think activity will pick up soon don't rage quit like that and I also think your town :o

you're an idiot


On June 09 2015 12:06 Bill Murray wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2015 11:46 LightningStrike wrote:
Bugs I think activity will pick up soon don't rage quit like that and I also think your town :o

you're an idiot


On June 09 2015 12:06 Bill Murray wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2015 11:46 LightningStrike wrote:
Bugs I think activity will pick up soon don't rage quit like that and I also think your town :o

you're an idiot



how's that for insulting
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
June 09 2015 22:00 GMT
#623
On June 10 2015 06:59 batsnacks wrote:
I wish bill and bugs would just make out already.


hehehe
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
June 09 2015 22:01 GMT
#625
On June 10 2015 06:59 LightningStrike wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2015 06:57 wherebugsgo wrote:
On June 10 2015 06:56 FreezingFoot wrote:
On June 10 2015 06:54 wherebugsgo wrote:
On June 10 2015 06:52 FreezingFoot wrote:
I am HIGHLY against LS since most of what you said could also come from his town meta. He is ALWAYS this passive, and I wonder

I didn't understand the self-focused point. I think the best point in your case is the part where he calls yamato scum but does nothing with it. But it also fits his passiveness as either alignment.

If you take aggressiveness alone, you should be strongly townreading BM. BM is a WAY better lynch today, seconded only by shockey


I don't count aggressiveness as a scum trait.

BM is scum because he is pushing bad ideas and because he has a history of pushing bad lynches and being a brute as scum.


I meant that if passiveness is a scum trait, in the other hand, BM must be town under your conception.

I am totally against voting LS today.


it's not a scum trait. Unwillingness to encounter confrontation is different from passiveness/complacency as I described in my previous post.

Perhaps passiveness is a bad word to describe the behaviour that LS has right now. My interpretation of LS's posts is that he does things so that he will go unnoticed. Townies don't do that consciously. I get the impression that with every post, LS has this in mind.

I would do that regardless on my alignment in these type of slow games :o


nah, you don't say ":o" nearly as often when you are town.

you don't use "" either when you vote someone. Too meek for me. Please die
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
June 09 2015 22:01 GMT
#629
On June 10 2015 07:01 Bill Murray wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2015 06:58 wherebugsgo wrote:
On June 10 2015 06:57 Bill Murray wrote:
WBG has insulted numerous people beyond the point that I'm willing to ever play with him again. I'm replacing out or merely not playing anymore this game. Sorry folks. Wisdom of the crowd is in this game so.


On June 09 2015 12:06 Bill Murray wrote:
On June 09 2015 11:46 LightningStrike wrote:
Bugs I think activity will pick up soon don't rage quit like that and I also think your town :o

you're an idiot


On June 09 2015 12:06 Bill Murray wrote:
On June 09 2015 11:46 LightningStrike wrote:
Bugs I think activity will pick up soon don't rage quit like that and I also think your town :o

you're an idiot


On June 09 2015 12:06 Bill Murray wrote:
On June 09 2015 11:46 LightningStrike wrote:
Bugs I think activity will pick up soon don't rage quit like that and I also think your town :o

you're an idiot


On June 09 2015 12:06 Bill Murray wrote:
On June 09 2015 11:46 LightningStrike wrote:
Bugs I think activity will pick up soon don't rage quit like that and I also think your town :o

you're an idiot



how's that for insulting

that WASNT directed towards you
it was directed towards LS


that wasn't directed at a townie, so it's okay!

It was directed at my scumbuddy!
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
June 09 2015 22:04 GMT
#634
On June 10 2015 07:03 Kickstart wrote:
Take your votes off of stutters already, its fuckign useless. bill been railing on bugs all fucking game and has his vote on stutters, like what in the fuck.


this is why I wanted to ragequit

people are just not playing, so why bother
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
June 09 2015 22:04 GMT
#636
On June 10 2015 07:04 batsnacks wrote:
My bat-senses are telling me that LS is town.


if he were town he'd already be dead. there's no way this much resistance would be present.
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
June 09 2015 22:07 GMT
#643
On June 10 2015 07:03 FreezingFoot wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2015 07:01 Kickstart wrote:
This is a fucking disaster though, people taking hard line "I refuse to vote ____" when its majority lynch.


Maybe because I prefer a no lynch than lynching a coinflip?

I've already told who I want to kill. Bill or Shockey. I'm not voting anyone else.


I want to lynch Bill too.

But let's talk about Shockey. He's probably not scum, and even if he is he's definitely not a good lynch today. his entrance into the thread was pretty good, and in particular his reaction here:

On June 10 2015 04:28 ShoCkeyy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2015 03:38 FreezingFoot wrote:
On June 10 2015 03:36 Bill Murray wrote:
On June 10 2015 03:35 FreezingFoot wrote:
On June 10 2015 03:31 Bill Murray wrote:
1) WIFOM
(pg 3 of your filter regarding another player)
2) excuses
(bottom of page 2)
3) admitting to scumskimming
(same post at end of page 2 of your filter)
On June 09 2015 13:59 FreezingFoot wrote:
##Unvote
##Vote:Shockey


I've being extremely busy today. Just got home.

Did a quick skim in the thread. I've read bugs spread sheet and his reads felt genuine (with the exception of Breshke), reevaluating most of them accordingly to thread progression + I'm not willing to lynch the biggest filter day1 + him being upset with lack of activity feels true (I don't think scum would fuck off like he did when he is the main wagon). He may still be scum but this is enough to let him live another day. We already have a lot of information from him and we can deal with him later, if that is the case. I prefer to have him around day2 than any other scummy person who has few to almost no post at all.

4) in this post, you also decide to VOTE before you even add reasoning

it's like your reasoning is merely a facade


Wow. Can you get any worse than this?

All you've posted here are contrived shit. The ONLY quote you've posted was to say something completely stupid. And even if you really believe in this "you voted first" shit, if you really scum read me you should KNOW I already called Shockey out before.

Lol you're scum.

its the excuse to leave and the way you "did a quick skim of the thread"

Town doesnt skim, they read.


Shockey clearly hasn't read the thread. Why is he town and I'm scum then?


Wut? I read thread day and night when I have a chance, this means even while I'm taking a shit in the bathroom. Just cause I post very little doesn't mean I'm not reading. Posting takes up a lot of time and effort to try and put together something at least coherent. Wether you like to understand what I'm posting is entirely up to you. I post when I get the chance and when I do post, I have at least read and reread the thread multiple times.


in particular the bolded-the tone of posting and the indignance with which he defends himself is not a scum trait. I don't think he's the best bet to be scum after he responded like that.
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
June 09 2015 22:07 GMT
#646
On June 10 2015 07:06 Bill Murray wrote:
i just seriously used LOGIC to destroy wherebugsgo

something he wouldnt know because all he does is commit logical fallacy


On June 09 2015 12:06 Bill Murray wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2015 11:46 LightningStrike wrote:
Bugs I think activity will pick up soon don't rage quit like that and I also think your town :o

you're an idiot
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
June 09 2015 22:08 GMT
#648
On June 10 2015 07:05 Kickstart wrote:
K then if we cant get enough on LS vote on bill.

##Unvote
##Vote: Bill Murray


*cracks whip*

we're not doing a last minute switch with half the people not here
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
June 09 2015 22:09 GMT
#651
actually, yamato are you around? we could feasibly get 4-5 people on BM but I really want to lynch LS.
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
June 09 2015 22:09 GMT
#652
On June 10 2015 07:09 ShoCkeyy wrote:
##unvote
##vote LightningStrike


fuck yeah
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
June 09 2015 22:11 GMT
#654
we need 3 to lynch LS

we can do it dudes
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
June 09 2015 22:12 GMT
#657
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
June 09 2015 22:13 GMT
#660
On June 10 2015 07:12 FreezingFoot wrote:
YOU ARE GOING TO MISLYNCH HIM!!!!


nah

that was a very interesting reaction though.

Care to respond about Shockey or are you actually scum?
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