I thought kickstart's backtrack was just as scummy. Kickstart responded to you believing that not revealing isn't alignment indicative (there's that double negative again), then backtracked when some of the pressure started going his way.

He votes you for blasphemy, gives an opinion on not revealing, gets pressured, changes opinion on not revealing.

You misunderstood. I conceded that I mistook his "not outing in a mislynch" point. I thought he meant not outing himself when he votes on someone else that turns out to be a mislynch was anti-town when he was talking about if foots is about to be myslynched as town and doesnt reveal. I said I misunderstood him but now understand what he was saying, my opinion on the matter is unchanged.

I will say I do not like people twisting my words, but I was mistaken in that instance with bugs and I will assume it was a genuine mistake from you.

On June 08 2015 08:48 Breshke wrote:
##vote FreezingFoot

Breshke plz explain. You've posited and answered questions but you've not explained this vote imo.

Kickstart

United States1941 Posts

June 08 2015 02:33 GMT

#217

Like how did you get that I backtracked from that conversation. Just ?????????????

Kickstart

United States1941 Posts

June 08 2015 02:35 GMT

#220

Well we know why Bugs voted you, I'm more interested in why Breske did because he never really conversed with you at all, he mostly just asked questions to bugs then voted you with just a vote in the post and no explanation.

Kickstart

United States1941 Posts

June 08 2015 02:37 GMT

#223

On June 08 2015 11:35 batsnacks wrote:
@kickstart I sort of skimmed the whole thing and just assumed you backtracked because you posted that you were mistaken or something. I figured even if I was wrong getting you to respond/not respond couldn't be terrible.

If I didn't like you I'd be raging at you :D. Doesnt read thread thoroughly. Tries to call someone scummy because didn't read.

How dare you.

Kickstart

United States1941 Posts

June 08 2015 04:20 GMT

#227

Still don't like this line of reasoning. "If you are about to be myslynched and don't identify you are being bad and anti-town", proceed to park votes on him for pressure, knowing that it isn't going to end in him identifying, then let the lynch go through on him anyways???

I just don't see how that is scum hunting at all. It's just being mad that someone is smurfing and trying to 'pressure' them but then letting themn get lynched when they don't give you what you want (identify or display towniness beyond reasonable doubt), but who decides what is a reasonable display of towniness.

To me this still seems like people putting foot in a lose-lose situation where the lynch is setup to go through no matter what he does. It may prove to be effective though in that it forces him to "prove" he is town. But be warned that if by everyone's elses standards he seems town and you push the lynch because you've tunneled him from the beginning you are gonna come out looking real fucking scummy, scummier than you seem now imo.

Kickstart

United States1941 Posts

June 08 2015 04:29 GMT

#229

What is most concerning to me at the moment in this situation is that bugs seems genuinely concerned, but Breshke's vote is just piggybacking off of everything bugs is saying. This irks me because when asked to explain Breshke just quotes bugs again. I specifically asked for the vote with no explanation in the post to be explained and all I got was a quote from what someone else had said.
Quite a convenient way to later say that "Oh I just thought that Bugses case was good thats why I voted, clearly since bugs pushed it though bugs is more likely to be scum than me who just thought the point was good". Especially since the only real reason to have a vote parked on foot at the moment is for pressure, but if your intent was to pressure you wouldn't just echo everything another player has said without asking the person you are trying to pressure any questions. Seems quite scummy to me, and since I asked for an explanation but didn't get a satisfactory one in my opinion:

##Unvote
##Vote Breshke

Kickstart

United States1941 Posts

June 08 2015 04:36 GMT

#232

In my opinion they both have good points. I currently see them as mostly OMGUSing each other to an extent. I am not letting foot off at all, if I haven't been clear enough Ill make it blatantly clear to him and everyone else:

You choose to smurf this game, now you have the extra responsibility of proving beyond reasonable doubt that you are town. If you fail to do this purely through your posts and actions, we have no choice but to lynch you because we have no meta to go off of.

I just think that most people have made this blatantly clear (and it is something that someone who is going to smurf probably already knows anyways) and I see the attempt to "pressure" him as convenient. I mean he has already been pressured on this point, having you come in and piggyback onto the pressure does not add anything. It could be genuine, but it could be opportunistic on your part, I haven't decided which is actually the case yet.

That said foot needs to try not to OMGUS bugs too much and tunnel too hard on him cause that will likely work against him.

Kickstart

United States1941 Posts

June 08 2015 04:49 GMT

#235

On June 08 2015 13:46 FreezingFoot wrote:

Show nested quote +

I'm not OMGUSing. If I was, I would have voted him earlier. Yet I took a step back to further analyse his approach towards me. You can check my filter and see my posts to realise that my intention was clearly to give him space to do his things.

In the other hand, I have no bigger burden to prove my innocence than any other town. Saying so is letting the opportunity to mislynch me open. I will be trying to catch scum, and you will decide if I'm town or not. It's up to you if you think you should take smurfing into consideration. I will ask you, though, to evaluate my gameplay, and solely it, instead of feeding the paranoia of playing with a stranger that may be pocketing you.

Noted

Kickstart

United States1941 Posts

June 08 2015 04:57 GMT

#239

Again, for what it is worth, you both make valid points. Time for others to chime in and not lurk, whether on this topic of discussion or something else.

Kickstart

United States1941 Posts

June 08 2015 05:14 GMT

#241

I didn't say which points were or weren't valid ;].

I've said all I want on this for now, I want to hear from others.

Kickstart

United States1941 Posts

June 08 2015 05:31 GMT

#248

On June 08 2015 14:25 Onegu wrote:

Show nested quote +

Does this mean you arent going to help at all for half the game but then come win it for us?

No because terrorblade is shit lategame too.

Kickstart

United States1941 Posts

June 08 2015 07:58 GMT

#263

Going to sleep, going to be asleep for quite a bit. I hope so anyways I'm knackered from shit sleep last few days. Will get caught up when I wake up just giving a fair warning that I'll be afk for quite awhile.

Kickstart

United States1941 Posts

June 08 2015 19:23 GMT

#301

Wake up to only 2 pages of posts.............. underwhelming. I have to get ready and spend the next several hours at a dinner and graduation so will be away again. Someone do something controversial.

Also don't witchcraft vote me I don't want to be silver bulleted

Kickstart

United States1941 Posts

June 08 2015 19:45 GMT

#305

I haven't played with many people here and if I did it was a long time ago

. First time with BM he seems alright thus far. Onegu I've played with, have issues with him but that game is ongoing can't say much about it; can say I don't particularly like his style but that in itself isn't alignment indicative and I haven't played enough to tell the difference between his town and scum play. Yamato is moody but imo his posting is quite scarce this game which I don't remember normally being the case. Lightning I haven't played with either, seems fine so far but haven't gone through his filter or anything.

Anywho gotta go to dinner, think I'll be home for a bit before having to go to the convention center for the graduation ceremony but don't hold me to being here for a while. Will be on later tonight regardless.

Kickstart

United States1941 Posts

June 08 2015 22:16 GMT

#330

WBG said there are better lynches than yamato, who are they?

Going to convention center for graduation, help meeeeeeeeeee. BBS~

Kickstart

United States1941 Posts

June 09 2015 01:07 GMT

#384

##Unvote
##Vote: wherebugsgo

For threatening to ignore half the players in the game. Stop it.

Kickstart

United States1941 Posts

June 09 2015 01:10 GMT

#386

I had exchanges with you earlier. And yes someone being hostile to everyone is a decent reason.

Kickstart

United States1941 Posts

June 09 2015 01:16 GMT

#389

What you think doesn't much matter to me.

Nice continuation of defending yourself by calling everyone else bad though, I give you an A+ on being a douche this game. When you think half the players in the game are worth ignoring you might be in the wrong game. Also in what universe is calling the other players bad or dumb or unable to read or worth ignoring "good for town"; you seem quick to point on when someone is doing something you deem "anti-town" but don't apply the same thinking to what you yourself have been doing.

Anyways I've said my piece on this matter, if all you have to say is that someone is bad or worth ignoring don't waste your time posting it.

Kickstart

United States1941 Posts

June 09 2015 02:03 GMT

#392

Hes flinging shit at the whole forum now =]. All he had to do was do less of the calling everyone bad and worth ignoring but he just ramped it up so meh.