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Kickstart
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States1941 Posts
June 07 2015 22:01 GMT
#105
Hurray! <3 hosts.
Kickstart
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States1941 Posts
June 07 2015 23:08 GMT
#111
May Satan grant us great powers and guidance in ridding ourselves of the Inquisitor menace.

I have asked Satan for guidance and he told me to lynch Onegu. Note this is Satan saying it not me, so Onegu rule does not apply.

##Vote: Onegu
Kickstart
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States1941 Posts
June 07 2015 23:18 GMT
#119
On June 08 2015 08:18 FreezingFoot wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2015 08:16 wherebugsgo wrote:
On June 08 2015 08:15 FreezingFoot wrote:
On June 08 2015 08:10 batsnacks wrote:
##vote FreezingFoot


Not like this, tho


who are you


Blazinghand's archenemy

Lol
Kickstart
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States1941 Posts
June 07 2015 23:21 GMT
#120
Satan told me that wherebugsgo is not an Acolyte as he himself didn't know what an Acolyte was. He also said that a true member of the order would know who is strongest and that the question is an attempt to infiltrate the coven and discover who our most powerful and wise Acolytes are in order to target them first. You can not fool the dark lord so easily wherebugsgo.
Kickstart
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States1941 Posts
June 07 2015 23:24 GMT
#125
On June 08 2015 08:23 wherebugsgo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2015 08:21 Kickstart wrote:
Satan told me that wherebugsgo is not an Acolyte as he himself didn't know what an Acolyte was. He also said that a true member of the order would know who is strongest and that the question is an attempt to infiltrate the coven and discover who our most powerful and wise Acolytes are in order to target them first. You can not fool the dark lord so easily wherebugsgo.


the dark lord can suck my d&*$

Blasphemer
Kickstart
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States1941 Posts
June 07 2015 23:28 GMT
#127
We can not allow such blatant blaspheme against our Lord to go unpunished, to not act is an affront to him.

Does not know what it means to be an Acolyte of the coven,
Tries to learn our tightly held secrets such as our most powerful and wisest members,
Openly mocks our Lord.

##Unvote
##Vote wherebugsgo
Kickstart
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States1941 Posts
June 07 2015 23:28 GMT
#129
On June 08 2015 08:26 LightningStrike wrote:
Hi guys I just got around to post and saw that Kickstart made a pact with the devil himself -_- Also I don't like Wherebugsgo voting FreezingFoot on the fact that FreezingFoot is a potential smurf.
@Kickstart thoughts on Wherebugsgo attacking FreezingFoot for being a smurf?

Being a smurf is not alignment indicative.
Kickstart
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States1941 Posts
June 07 2015 23:35 GMT
#133
On June 08 2015 08:30 wherebugsgo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2015 08:28 Kickstart wrote:
On June 08 2015 08:26 LightningStrike wrote:
Hi guys I just got around to post and saw that Kickstart made a pact with the devil himself -_- Also I don't like Wherebugsgo voting FreezingFoot on the fact that FreezingFoot is a potential smurf.
@Kickstart thoughts on Wherebugsgo attacking FreezingFoot for being a smurf?

Being a smurf is not alignment indicative.


refusing to divulge relevant information sure is!

identity is a large part of mafia.

But surely if you were an acolyte you would see the wisdom in ones words and not need to know the person's identity to discern its wisdom or lack thereof. Is this attempt to discern this persons true identity something useful for a member of the coven? Do you ask so that you can discredit if he does not oblige? Do you ask to know if he is a powerful and wise acolyte? Both courses of action would be beneficial to the inquisitors, while knowing his true identity or not does not matter to members of the coven. Ones words and actions matter most to the coven, not ones identity.

Only an inquisitor would be so interested in ones identity over ones wisdom.
Kickstart
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States1941 Posts
June 07 2015 23:38 GMT
#137
Now the question is, does this man withhold his identity to sow wisdom and clarity or to sow confusion. Time will tell.
Kickstart
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States1941 Posts
June 07 2015 23:42 GMT
#139
It is helpful by way of making a point. It is not helpful in so far as having the question answered because you ask the question knowing it won't be answered. If he was interested in displaying his identity he would not be in a disguise. It does not take a wise man to posit your question.
Kickstart
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States1941 Posts
June 07 2015 23:56 GMT
#150
On June 08 2015 08:46 wherebugsgo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2015 08:42 Kickstart wrote:
It is helpful by way of making a point. It is not helpful in so far as having the question answered because you ask the question knowing it won't be answered. If he was interested in displaying his identity he would not be in a disguise. It does not take a wise man to posit your question.


you apparently don't understand.

It is in town's benefit to know his identity. If he refuses while taking votes that's anti-town.

So just vote him and see what he does. If he doesn't give town anything what use is he alive? His contribution to this conversation has been a gif in response to my quote post. It is early in the day, but this is a good chance to see how our smurf wants to play the game.


I understand perfectly fine.
I agree with your general premise but not your methodology. I have already said the important question in regards to our mystery man is whether he will use his identity to impart wisdom and knowledge or to sow confusion.

You seem to miss the point that had he been interested in revealing his identity he would have done so. This goes back to my earlier question to you: Do you ask him to reveal his identity so that when he refuses you can accuse him? Why would a member of the coven do such a thing when they already know that the outcome will be that he does not revel himself.

Your argument so far has been that his withholding his identity is suspicious and his posting style thus far is suspicious. But if we do not know his identity how can we judge his posting style as indicative of anything?

All that said, our mystery man does need to choose his path. He either gives us wisdom and clarity or he sows confusion, and his fate is decided by which course of action he chooses to take.
Kickstart
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States1941 Posts
June 08 2015 00:05 GMT
#156
Also, while you try to say otherwise, you are clearly trying to subtly push the idea that him withholding his identity is anti town behavior when it isn't.
On June 08 2015 08:46 wherebugsgo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2015 08:42 Kickstart wrote:
It is helpful by way of making a point. It is not helpful in so far as having the question answered because you ask the question knowing it won't be answered. If he was interested in displaying his identity he would not be in a disguise. It does not take a wise man to posit your question.


you apparently don't understand.

It is in town's benefit to know his identity. If he refuses while taking votes that's anti-town.

So just vote him and see what he does. If he doesn't give town anything what use is he alive? His contribution to this conversation has been a gif in response to my quote post. It is early in the day, but this is a good chance to see how our smurf wants to play the game.


Him refusing to give his identity was decided before his alignment was known, therefor it can not be purposely anti-town for him, it isn't indicative of anything. You are in effect saying "if he votes he is anti-town" which is ludicrous.
You do have a point in saying that a smurf can be harmful to town, but again, this does not give us any indication of the smurfs alignment.
Kickstart
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States1941 Posts
June 08 2015 00:10 GMT
#160
On June 08 2015 09:03 wherebugsgo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2015 08:56 Kickstart wrote:
On June 08 2015 08:46 wherebugsgo wrote:
On June 08 2015 08:42 Kickstart wrote:
It is helpful by way of making a point. It is not helpful in so far as having the question answered because you ask the question knowing it won't be answered. If he was interested in displaying his identity he would not be in a disguise. It does not take a wise man to posit your question.


you apparently don't understand.

It is in town's benefit to know his identity. If he refuses while taking votes that's anti-town.

So just vote him and see what he does. If he doesn't give town anything what use is he alive? His contribution to this conversation has been a gif in response to my quote post. It is early in the day, but this is a good chance to see how our smurf wants to play the game.


I understand perfectly fine.


No you don't, because you repeatedly have shown an inability to read what I am saying.

I have said twice now that a smurf DOES NOT HAVE TO REVEAL THEMSELVES to satisfy my line of questioning.

+ Show Spoiler +
I simply want more out of this particular player. The responses I have received so far have been relatively lukewarm at best. However, I'm going to step it up a bit further.


I agree with your general premise but not your methodology. I have already said the important question in regards to our mystery man is whether he will use his identity to impart wisdom and knowledge or to sow confusion.


So did I, you just failed to read where I said it. Twice. Now three times, actually, and if you count this now, four.


You seem to miss the point that had he been interested in revealing his identity he would have done so. This goes back to my earlier question to you: Do you ask him to reveal his identity so that when he refuses you can accuse him? Why would a member of the coven do such a thing when they already know that the outcome will be that he does not revel himself.


Nope. You're not reading. Keep this up and I'm going to just ignore you.


Your argument so far has been that his withholding his identity is suspicious and his posting style thus far is suspicious. But if we do not know his identity how can we judge his posting style as indicative of anything?

All that said, our mystery man does need to choose his path. He either gives us wisdom and clarity or he sows confusion, and his fate is decided by which course of action he chooses to take.


Nope. I am saying you do not understand because, well...you don't.

Let me clarify for you what has happened so far, and what is now worth discussing.

On June 08 2015 08:21 FreezingFoot wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2015 08:15 wherebugsgo wrote:
anyway I am kinda sad I didn't roll scum this game but you guys should elevate me to Greater Demon status cause that'll be baller

also if you guys could fill me in on who I should expect to suck this game and when I should be disappointed for someone sucking that would be great


Btw I don't like this opening. Sounds like a guy trying too hard do say "oh I'm town /sob", and asking people for names to work with.


He doesn't like my opening. Sign #1 he doesn't like me.

Cool.

Let's skip over his direct response to my vote, because it was useless.

Third post following my vote:

On June 08 2015 08:48 FreezingFoot wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2015 08:39 wherebugsgo wrote:
On June 08 2015 08:35 Kickstart wrote:
On June 08 2015 08:30 wherebugsgo wrote:
On June 08 2015 08:28 Kickstart wrote:
On June 08 2015 08:26 LightningStrike wrote:
Hi guys I just got around to post and saw that Kickstart made a pact with the devil himself -_- Also I don't like Wherebugsgo voting FreezingFoot on the fact that FreezingFoot is a potential smurf.
@Kickstart thoughts on Wherebugsgo attacking FreezingFoot for being a smurf?

Being a smurf is not alignment indicative.


refusing to divulge relevant information sure is!

identity is a large part of mafia.

But surely if you were an acolyte you would see the wisdom in ones words and not need to know the person's identity to discern its wisdom or lack thereof. Is this attempt to discern this persons true identity something useful for a member of the coven? Do you ask so that you can discredit if he does not oblige? Do you ask to know if he is a powerful and wise acolyte? Both courses of action would be beneficial to the inquisitors, while knowing his true identity or not does not matter to members of the coven. Ones words and actions matter most to the coven, not ones identity.

Only an inquisitor would be so interested in ones identity over ones wisdom.


Would you rather have the smurf be Foolishness, or random lurker X?

What about Ace, or BloodyC0bbler?

How exactly is this purely a scum-motivated question? It arguably helps town far more, given that if the smurf is town scum already know they are town and they are already automatically a threat. Knowing a player's identity is less important to scum. As scum I have left otherwise "good" townies alive to throw off towns before, simply because they were completely wrong.


It's not a scum motivated question. But you questioned nothing. it is a scum behaviour. It's basically a policy lynch that you get behind without compromising yourself. You won't have to rely on building original reads. You just see a townie and justify a push on him without actually caring for his alignment.


What I exhibited is a "scum behaviour" according to Freezingfoot. He didn't like my original post, and he thinks I am not trying to build original reads. He claims I don't care about his alignment.

Fourth post:

On June 08 2015 09:00 FreezingFoot wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2015 08:53 wherebugsgo wrote:
On June 08 2015 08:48 FreezingFoot wrote:
On June 08 2015 08:39 wherebugsgo wrote:
On June 08 2015 08:35 Kickstart wrote:
On June 08 2015 08:30 wherebugsgo wrote:
On June 08 2015 08:28 Kickstart wrote:
On June 08 2015 08:26 LightningStrike wrote:
Hi guys I just got around to post and saw that Kickstart made a pact with the devil himself -_- Also I don't like Wherebugsgo voting FreezingFoot on the fact that FreezingFoot is a potential smurf.
@Kickstart thoughts on Wherebugsgo attacking FreezingFoot for being a smurf?

Being a smurf is not alignment indicative.


refusing to divulge relevant information sure is!

identity is a large part of mafia.

But surely if you were an acolyte you would see the wisdom in ones words and not need to know the person's identity to discern its wisdom or lack thereof. Is this attempt to discern this persons true identity something useful for a member of the coven? Do you ask so that you can discredit if he does not oblige? Do you ask to know if he is a powerful and wise acolyte? Both courses of action would be beneficial to the inquisitors, while knowing his true identity or not does not matter to members of the coven. Ones words and actions matter most to the coven, not ones identity.

Only an inquisitor would be so interested in ones identity over ones wisdom.


Would you rather have the smurf be Foolishness, or random lurker X?

What about Ace, or BloodyC0bbler?

How exactly is this purely a scum-motivated question? It arguably helps town far more, given that if the smurf is town scum already know they are town and they are already automatically a threat. Knowing a player's identity is less important to scum. As scum I have left otherwise "good" townies alive to throw off towns before, simply because they were completely wrong.


It's not a scum motivated question. But you questioned nothing. it is a scum behaviour. It's basically a policy lynch that you get behind without compromising yourself. You won't have to rely on building original reads. You just see a townie and justify a push on him without actually caring for his alignment.


So it's a scum behaviour to question nothing...at the beginning of day 1, when by definition there is nothing to question.

Where do you come up with this logic?


Tell us who you are? It will help town = town approach
You're mafia because you're not telling us who you are = scum approach.


Implicitly calling my approach scum approach. But not directly doing it.

If Freezingfoot thinks my approach is so scummy, in four straight posts....

Why doesn't he vote me? If he tries to get me killed directly that would be one thing, but he's just weakly throwing back mud at me.




On June 08 2015 08:46 wherebugsgo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2015 08:42 Kickstart wrote:
It is helpful by way of making a point. It is not helpful in so far as having the question answered because you ask the question knowing it won't be answered. If he was interested in displaying his identity he would not be in a disguise. It does not take a wise man to posit your question.


you apparently don't understand.

It is in town's benefit to know his identity. If he refuses while taking votes that's anti-town.

So just vote him and see what he does. If he doesn't give town anything what use is he alive? His contribution to this conversation has been a gif in response to my quote post. It is early in the day, but this is a good chance to see how our smurf wants to play the game.

Kickstart
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States1941 Posts
June 08 2015 00:14 GMT
#166
Bugs is also quick to say that he is about to ignore me and that FreezingFoot is not worth listening to. Interesting.

On June 08 2015 09:06 wherebugsgo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2015 09:05 Kickstart wrote:
Also, while you try to say otherwise, you are clearly trying to subtly push the idea that him withholding his identity is anti town behavior when it isn't.
On June 08 2015 08:46 wherebugsgo wrote:
On June 08 2015 08:42 Kickstart wrote:
It is helpful by way of making a point. It is not helpful in so far as having the question answered because you ask the question knowing it won't be answered. If he was interested in displaying his identity he would not be in a disguise. It does not take a wise man to posit your question.


you apparently don't understand.

It is in town's benefit to know his identity. If he refuses while taking votes that's anti-town.

So just vote him and see what he does. If he doesn't give town anything what use is he alive? His contribution to this conversation has been a gif in response to my quote post. It is early in the day, but this is a good chance to see how our smurf wants to play the game.


Him refusing to give his identity was decided before his alignment was known, therefor it can not be purposely anti-town for him, it isn't indicative of anything. You are in effect saying "if he votes he is anti-town" which is ludicrous.
You do have a point in saying that a smurf can be harmful to town, but again, this does not give us any indication of the smurfs alignment.


You consider someone taking a mislynch over revealing their identity to be town-favored?

Are you serious?


I did not say or imply that. But again you are painting foot into a corner of no matter what he does he is scum. You are saying/implying that if he ever votes on someone who gets lynched and flips town without revealing who he is first he is anti-town. This is again ludicrous.

But I've said enough on this topic, time for others to weigh in.
Kickstart
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States1941 Posts
June 08 2015 00:18 GMT
#169
I see your point. My mistake.
Kickstart
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States1941 Posts
June 08 2015 00:41 GMT
#178
Going to prepare for GoT and be preoccupied with that for awhile. Hope to see some other people weighing in.
Kickstart
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States1941 Posts
June 08 2015 02:08 GMT
#205
Other than BMs reverse game troll bait post hes been ok so far. Expected worse given his reputation around these parts :D
Kickstart
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States1941 Posts
June 08 2015 02:10 GMT
#206
Dont like Bugs summation on foot that "I don't like his entry post" and "he might well be bad town". Like wut.

But I kind of want to discuss with someone other than bugs at the moment. Someone do something crazy so we have another topic to talk about.
Kickstart
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States1941 Posts
June 08 2015 02:13 GMT
#209
He just wants us to all be friends and get along.
Kickstart
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States1941 Posts
June 08 2015 02:18 GMT
#211
Priests are friendly for other reasons.
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