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Shendelzare
Profile Joined May 2015
Netherlands126 Posts
June 07 2015 20:57 GMT
#1391
Oh fuck, I stand corrected. Alright.

I'm not clear on the voting rules, I thought first offence was warning? Well Chocolate should be lynched regardless.
Shendelzare
Profile Joined May 2015
Netherlands126 Posts
June 07 2015 20:59 GMT
#1396
On June 08 2015 05:18 Chocolate wrote:
Actually I don't think Shen is mafia for this reason

If I were scum I'd never be as inactive as SL was the first day, even if I were about to get replaced
Shen being very active today tells me more that he is trying to do town more of a service than dispel the read people were getting on sl

He was also pushed moderately day1 before and after I brought it up which I don't have a good reason to feel suspicious but strikes me as fishy (though I do recognize that I was part of that crowd)


I generally think activity isn't always alignment indicative. When I was looking at Onegu in Guardians for example, a couple of the scummers in Guardians appeared to be very active.

It was mentioned by a few in this thread that the replacement occurred for reasons not related to the game, so his replacing out should not be taken as alignment indicative.

If people don't like what I have to post, then they need to point it out to me.
Shendelzare
Profile Joined May 2015
Netherlands126 Posts
June 07 2015 21:00 GMT
#1397
Does anyone want to hop on Chocolate? Or is it too late?
Shendelzare
Profile Joined May 2015
Netherlands126 Posts
June 07 2015 21:01 GMT
#1398
Fuck. It is.
Shendelzare
Profile Joined May 2015
Netherlands126 Posts
June 07 2015 21:53 GMT
#1409
Alright, this means we definitely need to re-evaluate. Tictock believed in his case, but there were some flaws.

I'm also getting a little nervous about the effective lurkers in this game.
Shendelzare
Profile Joined May 2015
Netherlands126 Posts
June 07 2015 21:54 GMT
#1410
Someone is trying to sneak by. Not sure who.
Shendelzare
Profile Joined May 2015
Netherlands126 Posts
June 08 2015 01:41 GMT
#1434
I'm looking at the votes. I am seeing a problem with NHM.

NHM - scumreads Chocolate and Tictock, and is willing to lynch the former. I ask a bit too late to get people to vote Chocolate at the end of day. She says she'd have voted him but she was the solo voter.

I pushed chocolate like crazy, but I don't think she pushed him much at all honestly.

Then...

SHE VOTES WITH CHOCOLATE ON TICTOCK.

Am I the only one that sees something wrong with this?
Shendelzare
Profile Joined May 2015
Netherlands126 Posts
June 08 2015 01:42 GMT
#1435
It's very late here, I'll put more thoughts when I wake up. But that was something that jumped out at me. Good night.
Shendelzare
Profile Joined May 2015
Netherlands126 Posts
June 08 2015 01:44 GMT
#1436
On June 08 2015 10:12 Damdred wrote:
Explain your reads then chocolate


+1. I haven't seen much in the way of reasoning on any of your reads. Besides OMGUS.

Now I'm out.
Shendelzare
Profile Joined May 2015
Netherlands126 Posts
June 08 2015 13:49 GMT
#1478
The night lasts 24 hours according to the rules. So the NK gets done at 2300 my time. That's a little over 7 hours from now.
Shendelzare
Profile Joined May 2015
Netherlands126 Posts
June 08 2015 13:52 GMT
#1480
I'm extremely busy at work. Once I get off work though, I'll look into Damdred/VE/NHM given the concerns I'm reading.

I'm pretty sure Scott is okay but will probably give his filter a runthrough to make sure I'm not missing anything.

Milo is making me a little nervous as a lurker, NHM for that and the reads day two.
Shendelzare
Profile Joined May 2015
Netherlands126 Posts
June 08 2015 14:27 GMT
#1482
That should work. Yes, I'm an hour ahead. I'll probably be on before you, but will be around when you are on.
Yeah, when I first replaced in, I just assumed everyone was from the US or whatever so I thought I'd be doing monologues most of the game. That would be awesome.
Shendelzare
Profile Joined May 2015
Netherlands126 Posts
June 08 2015 17:45 GMT
#1493
On June 09 2015 01:42 milo109 wrote:
I swear I'm trying not to lurk, but I don't have much time to devote at the moment. I'm almost certain Fidei and Chocolate are town. I don't see why one of them would try to pocket me, and GG Templar flipping town proves that the reads we all share are legitimate.


No. Just no.

Maybe you're new to this so maybe I shouldn't be so harsh.

Just because you all share the same reads does not necessarily mean all of you are town. That is very faulty reasoning since a scum player has perfect information (they absolutely know who is town) all he or she has to do is fake reads. The lack of skepticism (or substantiation) usually indicates someone is scum which actually would make some of the players defending Templar suspect as there were ample reasons to question his behaviour and at least two of us tried to give him a chance to work with town and resolve the issues he had but he blatantly refused.

I went into Tictock's case for that very reason day two because if is he scum, there is going to be a problem somewhere in that case or his approach to things. Townies pushing townies is a lot more common than you think and it happens for many reasons.

I will say this yet again being right does not make someone town and being town does not mean they will have the right reads.
Shendelzare
Profile Joined May 2015
Netherlands126 Posts
June 08 2015 17:46 GMT
#1494
Edit - being town does not always mean they will have the right reads.
Shendelzare
Profile Joined May 2015
Netherlands126 Posts
June 08 2015 18:06 GMT
#1495
On June 09 2015 01:41 Chocolate wrote:
I've been reading the filters of both VE and TT from d1. I'm on a phone so it would be hell on earth for me to do a shitton of quoting so here it goes:

Both call each other town pretty early on
Both push votes on townies (though of course I am not confirmed townie)
As soon as I park a very early vote on TT, VE scum reads me
I'm pretty sure all of TTs d1 list (GG, me, milo, SL) is town and gives him flexibility to bandwagon as he pleases
Additionally, although his posts regarding me are all cautious (need to read more, you are all three probably town) he puts me second on his list

I'll read n1 and d2 soon too but again I'm on my phone so it takes me a while to structure a post adequately
Still not sure who third scum is, at this point I'm finding damdred unlikely


I swear every post I read from you at this point screams mafia and it reminds me of that horrible case you had on KS day one. I would have hammered you if I was in play then because of the way you are framing your points.

What is making either Tic/VE scum reads for their reads on each other?
Like I said pushing votes on townies alone does not make some scum it's how they do it.

Also the point about the D1 list is questionable when you don't consider how he prioritized or supported his reads, and having four scum reads means he's wrong on at least one so how he changes those reads should be more important at this stage.

I had four scum reads when I gave my first list post so I knew I was wrong somewhere and I knew I had to re-evaluate. He is doing that FYI and so are a few others.

I also find it interesting you find Damdred unlikely since at least one other player cites him for being cautious and you're calling Tic cautious so considering at least half this field is scum reading you (and if you haven't figured out already you are my top target) you might want to start pointing out some differences in where you're coming from once you're on a computer otherwise you're going to be held accountable for double standards in your reads.
Shendelzare
Profile Joined May 2015
Netherlands126 Posts
June 08 2015 21:14 GMT
#1520
.....

Really? Sigh.

GGs everyone.
Shendelzare
Profile Joined May 2015
Netherlands126 Posts
June 16 2015 21:10 GMT
#2352
Tictock deserved his win though, that was insane. Too bad for town.
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