[M][N]Holy Guardians Chapter 1 - Page 4

On June 08 2015 10:44 Shendelzare wrote:


+1. I haven't seen much in the way of reasoning on any of your reads. Besides OMGUS.

Now I'm out.

On June 09 2015 03:06 Shendelzare wrote:


I swear every post I read from you at this point screams mafia and it reminds me of that horrible case you had on KS day one. I would have hammered you if I was in play then because of the way you are framing your points.

What is making either Tic/VE scum reads for their reads on each other?
Like I said pushing votes on townies alone does not make some scum it's how they do it.

Also the point about the D1 list is questionable when you don't consider how he prioritized or supported his reads, and having four scum reads means he's wrong on at least one so how he changes those reads should be more important at this stage.

I had four scum reads when I gave my first list post so I knew I was wrong somewhere and I knew I had to re-evaluate. He is doing that FYI and so are a few others.

I also find it interesting you find Damdred unlikely since at least one other player cites him for being cautious and you're calling Tic cautious so considering at least half this field is scum reading you (and if you haven't figured out already you are my top target) you might want to start pointing out some differences in where you're coming from once you're on a computer otherwise you're going to be held accountable for double standards in your reads.

On June 09 2015 02:45 Shendelzare wrote:


No. Just no.

Maybe you're new to this so maybe I shouldn't be so harsh.

Just because you all share the same reads does not necessarily mean all of you are town. That is very faulty reasoning since a scum player has perfect information (they absolutely know who is town) all he or she has to do is fake reads. The lack of skepticism (or substantiation) usually indicates someone is scum which actually would make some of the players defending Templar suspect as there were ample reasons to question his behaviour and at least two of us tried to give him a chance to work with town and resolve the issues he had but he blatantly refused.

I went into Tictock's case for that very reason day two because if is he scum, there is going to be a problem somewhere in that case or his approach to things. Townies pushing townies is a lot more common than you think and it happens for many reasons.

I will say this yet again being right does not make someone town and being town does not mean they will have the right reads.

On June 09 2015 17:54 Tictock wrote:
I realized I haven't looked at Choco's filter lately...

And now i know why. There has been like one page of filter since EoD1... this is D3 now right?

Most of that is excuses and some other stuff. Here is what I picked out as interesting...

His first effort at doing something after disappearing after D1.


Which flips pretty quick...


Then he takes this stand...

Really? Choco thinks GG has the most compelling case D2? Wasn't he scumming GG?

What is Choco thinking himself though?

There he goes back on VE suddenly...

He also threw out this weak read on Shen


Sorry it's not much of a case... but that's all there was in his filter.

The flip in his reads looks pretty odd to me. It weakens my idea of Milo and Choco being scum partners that Choco would even suggest Milo as scum, but he takes back to read fairly fast so I'm not sure. He also flips really hard on GG while giving no reasons.

I also dislike how VE just suddenly pops back up in Choco's scum reads. I find it especially interesting because it looks like he does this AFTER he starts scumming me, then gives some weak association to backup why.

Honestly none of it looks good.

On June 09 2015 17:59 Tictock wrote:
I think I'll stop there for the night.

I'm starting to like the idea of a scumteam of Choco, Milo, and Fidei atm...

Milo being scum makes a lot more sense if Choco is scum. I could also see Fidei being on the team since he has been supporting Choco a fair bit for very little reason.

On June 06 2015 17:05 VisceraEyes wrote:
GGTemplar spent most of the game giving hard townreads based on very early posts, and he spent a lot of time justifying those reads. I concede that the most blatant example of this, his reads on Nydus and Ticktock shown here, was at the behest of another player. However, if you'll kindly turn your packets to page 2 of his filter, you'll see a similar behavior throughout, with no prompting. I've explained here my meta reasoning for thinking he's mafia based on behavior - I would have expected him to try and get a read on me early if he's town. He explained numerous times that he didn't find the interaction between Chocolate and myself to be alignment indicative. Yet today, he's trying to use THAT against me.

He also does small nuanced things like trying to appeal to authority and appeal to emotions. Further, his push on Ticktock reads to me as an attempt to remain consistent with his reads yesterday. It's convenient that he had a (very justified *winkwink*) either/or read on Kickstart/Ticktock, and somehow by the grace of God (but conveniently not by Templar's hand) Kickstart the jailer got lynched yesterday, and today EVEN WHILE OMGUSING ME, he maintains that Ticktock is the likeliest shot at mafia. He's not reevaluating the game at all, he's trying to remain consistent while pushing a specific agenda.

Everyone should vote for GGTemplar today. He is the most likely mafia at this point in the game, I would say even more so than Chocolate. The only thing that makes me doubt it is the fact that he wasn't voting EoD yesterday, but as far as I know he thought he was or something.