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Now that I have a second to evaluate the game without immediate fear of being lynched...
I don't think that Chocolate is necessarily mafia for his one post. It's possible he had to go, and he was basing his read on Tiktok off of two posts. It seems a fine opener. Not sure if I like VE attempting to turn attention to someone unable to defend himself.
Nydus is my white knight, and I'm sure that will skew my opinion of him but he seems town just from the irreverent way he gave his reads.
I still don't like Kickstarter. I didn't like the tone of his accusation, and the way he quickly attempted to insure he wasn't thought of 'bandwagoning on me' as if he knew I would flip town.
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Oh, and I agree the ritoky has improved his play. Leaning town on him now. Unvote etc.
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On June 03 2015 08:11 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2015 08:09 milo109 wrote:
Now that I have a second to evaluate the game without immediate fear of being lynched...
I don't think that Chocolate is necessarily mafia for his one post. It's possible he had to go, and he was basing his read on Tiktok off of two posts. It seems a fine opener. Not sure if I like VE attempting to turn attention to someone unable to defend himself.
Nydus is my white knight, and I'm sure that will skew my opinion of him but he seems town just from the irreverent way he gave his reads.
I still don't like Kickstarter. I didn't like the tone of his accusation, and the way he quickly attempted to insure he wasn't thought of 'bandwagoning on me' as if he knew I would flip town. Now just how do you know that he's unable to defend himself? In fact, he's already responded to my point so that makes the bolded completely irrelevant anyway.
He didn't seem to be online, thought that has obviously changed. It is easy to accuse someone who can't respond to your points until later.
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On June 03 2015 08:12 VisceraEyes wrote:
Like okay wtf....
How did milo know that Chocolate was AFK? He literally gave no indication that he was leaving, he said he was STILL PLAYING actually because he said "I'm gonna go look at something brb", how did milo know that Chocolate was in a position where he actually physically couldn't respond (i.e. grabbing dinner)?
..... He hadn't posted in the last.. half an hour? It was pretty clear that he wasn't participating in the current discussion.
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At that point in the game, I felt as if I was about to be lynched no matter what I did. Apparently, I did enough to claw back from the brink.
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On June 03 2015 08:17 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2015 08:14 milo109 wrote:On June 03 2015 08:11 VisceraEyes wrote:On June 03 2015 08:09 milo109 wrote:
Now that I have a second to evaluate the game without immediate fear of being lynched...
I don't think that Chocolate is necessarily mafia for his one post. It's possible he had to go, and he was basing his read on Tiktok off of two posts. It seems a fine opener. Not sure if I like VE attempting to turn attention to someone unable to defend himself.
Nydus is my white knight, and I'm sure that will skew my opinion of him but he seems town just from the irreverent way he gave his reads.
I still don't like Kickstarter. I didn't like the tone of his accusation, and the way he quickly attempted to insure he wasn't thought of 'bandwagoning on me' as if he knew I would flip town. Now just how do you know that he's unable to defend himself? In fact, he's already responded to my point so that makes the bolded completely irrelevant anyway. He didn't seem to be online, thought that has obviously changed. It is easy to accuse someone who can't respond to your points until later. Yeah that's not how it works in forum mafia. At least, that's not how I play it. I play the game as if everyone is here all the time (regardless of whether it's true or not) because there's no way to be online all the time - so chances are I'm going to miss people when I'M online. Therefor it doesn't make any sense to wait to accuse someone until they're IN the thread because I MIGHT NOT BE IN THE THREAD THEN. Savvy?
Hadn't thought of it that way. You're correct. I still don't think you had a reason to call him mafia, but I was wrong about diverting.
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On June 03 2015 08:18 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2015 08:12 Damdred wrote:On June 03 2015 08:09 milo109 wrote:
Now that I have a second to evaluate the game without immediate fear of being lynched...
I don't think that Chocolate is necessarily mafia for his one post. It's possible he had to go, and he was basing his read on Tiktok off of two posts. It seems a fine opener. Not sure if I like VE attempting to turn attention to someone unable to defend himself.
Nydus is my white knight, and I'm sure that will skew my opinion of him but he seems town just from the irreverent way he gave his reads.
I still don't like Kickstarter. I didn't like the tone of his accusation, and the way he quickly attempted to insure he wasn't thought of 'bandwagoning on me' as if he knew I would flip town. Last point is actually a really good point. Won't Scum give fast reads like that though with perfect information? Why wouldn't Scum,try to pocket you? Why does ve have to wait for,chocolate when he didn't deliver on a promise Please answer relevant questions
I assume you're talking about Nydus about the fast reads/perfect information? Because if you're speaking to my point on Chocolate, I don't think fast reads are bad necessarily. Mafia might shy away from them even with perfect information, for fear of future ramifications.
As for Nydus pocketing me, I specifically pointed that out. I'm aware of the possibility, but at the moment I don't think he is.
Saying 1v1 me is a promise is... stretching it.
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On June 03 2015 08:21 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2015 08:20 milo109 wrote:On June 03 2015 08:17 VisceraEyes wrote:On June 03 2015 08:14 milo109 wrote:On June 03 2015 08:11 VisceraEyes wrote:On June 03 2015 08:09 milo109 wrote:
Now that I have a second to evaluate the game without immediate fear of being lynched...
I don't think that Chocolate is necessarily mafia for his one post. It's possible he had to go, and he was basing his read on Tiktok off of two posts. It seems a fine opener. Not sure if I like VE attempting to turn attention to someone unable to defend himself.
Nydus is my white knight, and I'm sure that will skew my opinion of him but he seems town just from the irreverent way he gave his reads.
I still don't like Kickstarter. I didn't like the tone of his accusation, and the way he quickly attempted to insure he wasn't thought of 'bandwagoning on me' as if he knew I would flip town. Now just how do you know that he's unable to defend himself? In fact, he's already responded to my point so that makes the bolded completely irrelevant anyway. He didn't seem to be online, thought that has obviously changed. It is easy to accuse someone who can't respond to your points until later. Yeah that's not how it works in forum mafia. At least, that's not how I play it. I play the game as if everyone is here all the time (regardless of whether it's true or not) because there's no way to be online all the time - so chances are I'm going to miss people when I'M online. Therefor it doesn't make any sense to wait to accuse someone until they're IN the thread because I MIGHT NOT BE IN THE THREAD THEN. Savvy? Hadn't thought of it that way. You're correct. I still don't think you had a reason to call him mafia, but I was wrong about diverting. Well you're wrong about that too. My reasoning is explicit. Whether you think it's a good reason or not is up for debate, but you can't just say "you don't have a reason" when I gave my reason explicitly.
Again you are correct. Apologies. I don't agree with your reason.
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Oh. Yes. That point makes sense.
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Okay. I'll try to figure out how to use this whole quoting thing.
My top mafia at the moment is indeed Kickstart. I didn't mind his opening, as I can see it happening from a dedicated town perspective. I don't mind his questioning of me. My problems start here:
On June 03 2015 07:01 Kickstart wrote:
Unfortunatly milo this again makes no sense to me, you say you are not comfortable reading people scummy yet throw a vote on him because you just said you don't think (or you aren't convinced) that he is town, which means you DID in fact read him as scummy. But an even bigger issue than that for me is that that is not what you said when you threw down the vote, you threw down the vote because you didn't like his posting, and as I said, you had no way of knowing if this was his usual posting and thus the vote was NOT a vote on who you thought was scummy, even though now you seem to be trying to indicate that it was.
I do not like your actions and I do not find this explanation from you satisfactory.
##Vote: milo109
While I am happy be proven wrong in my logic, this seems to be an inept attempt to bury me. First of all, me saying "I'm not convinced that ritoky is town" is -not- an attempt to call him scummy. I'm calling him Null. I also stated beforehand that was -not- why I was voting him. His bigger problem was that I was trying to indicate my vote was "was NOT a vote on who you thought was scummy," while every post I've made conceded this point.
Then we come to this post.
On June 03 2015 07:02 Kickstart wrote:
Seems people are already on milos ass for this before I could throw that post together, just keep in mind I raised the initial concern and it took me some time to write my last post, I don't want to be accused of hoping on the milo wagon!
This seems to be a mafia perspective. He was the second one to indicate a dislike of my posts. Why was he so paranoid that he would be accused of bandwagoning?
He responds to this with:
On June 03 2015 07:09 Kickstart wrote:
Because from my limited experience on here, hoping on a wagon is the ultimate sin. But I guess you are right, I did do it with ample justification and pressure beforehand.
Not everything has to be original. You're allowed to agree with people. If you're more afraid of being seen as hopping on a wagon than lynching mafia, you're not playing right as town.
I can't tell if he didn't read my responses or is just trying to bury here:
On June 03 2015 07:27 Kickstart wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2015 07:25 milo109 wrote:
Not exactly sure what your point is. I don't think you're necessarily mafia for voting me. I've not given you any grief for that. You have the same justification to vote me that I have to vote on you. Aside from that, I don't see a contradiction. Like ritocky I see many contradictions, some of which I just pointed out. But you just made the same contradiction by saying you don't think he is necessarily mafia for voting on you, yet that seems to be exactly why you've thrown a scum read on me.
I clearly stated why I didn't like Kickstart's vote, and why I was fine with ritocky's.
In summation:
I've already taken too much time on this, so I'll wait for a further analysis of his later posts until later. I dislike the way he attacked me. I'm privy to the information that I'm town, and that helps put all this in perspective.
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I was asked to make a longer post about my top scum, and I did so. Obviously we seem to be facing off. I'm happy to talk about my other scum reads as well.
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Sure.
I don't like VE. He's obviously a strong player, and I don't think he's contributed as many reads as he should have.
Sicklucker is an another possibility, but with people who still haven't posted, I don't think I need to find a third scum yet.
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By burying I mean attempting to insure the person dies by ignoring their reasoning, and instead pushing their scum read.
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On June 03 2015 09:22 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2015 09:22 milo109 wrote:
Sure.
I don't like VE. He's obviously a strong player, and I don't think he's contributed as many reads as he should have.
Sicklucker is an another possibility, but with people who still haven't posted, I don't think I need to find a third scum yet. LAWL Get voted scruuuuhhhhh
I assume you have a problem with my reasoning or is calling you scum blasphemy?
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On June 03 2015 09:27 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2015 09:26 milo109 wrote:On June 03 2015 09:22 VisceraEyes wrote:On June 03 2015 09:22 milo109 wrote:
Sure.
I don't like VE. He's obviously a strong player, and I don't think he's contributed as many reads as he should have.
Sicklucker is an another possibility, but with people who still haven't posted, I don't think I need to find a third scum yet. LAWL Get voted scruuuuhhhhh I assume you have a problem with my reasoning or is calling you scum blasphemy? Nah, I've thought you were mafia since you scumslipped that you knew Choco was AFK. You voting for me just gave me the incentive I needed. 
I didn't know he was AFK, I knew he wasn't posting. This is the oddest reason to have a problem with me, considering all the other flaws in my reasoning.
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GRR. This is frustrating me. I'm fine being read as scum for my own problems, but not for assuming that someone who hadn't posted was unable to defend themselves. HE WASN'T POSTING. THAT MEANT HE COULDN'T DIRECTLY RESPOND TO YOUR ACCUSATION.
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On June 03 2015 09:40 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2015 09:34 milo109 wrote:
GRR. This is frustrating me. I'm fine being read as scum for my own problems, but not for assuming that someone who hadn't posted was unable to defend themselves. HE WASN'T POSTING. THAT MEANT HE COULDN'T DIRECTLY RESPOND TO YOUR ACCUSATION. Except he did directly respond to my accusation. Directly. Whatever, I get what you're saying. In the future, just don't bring up your teammates ESPECIALLY if someone is drawing attention to them. Trust THEM to dig themselves out. Otherwise you end up digging BOTH of you a grave.
I didn't. Which is why this is even more frustrating. I was wrong on the statement. But I was not predicting an AFK.
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Alright. I'm done for tonight. VE.... I hope you actually use logic instead of illusionary slips if you're town. But I don't think you are.
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On June 03 2015 14:39 VisceraEyes wrote:
Hmmmm...I DID get that timeline wrong. I'm not sure why that happened, I think maybe I got the sense that milo was typing his response to me WHILE Chocolate posted and maybe I took that and ran with it.
You're right. I did start typing the post before Chocolate posted, which is why I didn't bring it up.
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I'm back. Fidei's post is ... interesting. That's one that will hard decide his alignment depending on whether he is genuine or not.
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