Newbie Student Mafia X

On May 13 2015 14:43 Breshke wrote:
/in Open

Bunnies is bad luck for me so i'm probably going to roll scum

On May 20 2015 00:44 Tictock wrote:
batsnacks gets pre-game town cred for posting a touhou video/song I'm rather enjoying. I dig the 8-bit nostalgia factor in that music.

On May 20 2015 02:35 Half the Sky wrote:
Bunnies, the perennial town hero, will RNG scum this game.

You heard it here first.

On May 22 2015 07:00 sicklucker wrote:
1st

On May 22 2015 07:31 Bill Murray wrote:
##vote:27ninjabunnies the problem is it's barely too much ninja if it were 26 bunnies you'd be cool

On May 22 2015 08:08 Breshke wrote:
Oh yeah and SL is mafia

##Vote Sicklucker

On May 22 2015 08:38 sicklucker wrote:
Breske realizes scum qt was given out 24 hours ago. Would he be this blatantly obv as scum? bunnies are you the veg because you might need to shoot him again

On May 22 2015 10:58 Bill Murray wrote:
My bit about that one guy doing that one thing !!!

On May 22 2015 12:43 Breshke wrote:


I agree

What do you think about bunnies saying she didn't know what reasons I was pushing you for but then going on to say that she would lunch both of us because she thought it could be a bus before I clarified the reason

On May 22 2015 15:11 Breshke wrote:
Bunnies was calling saying i was bussing SL really a reaction trap?

@Sulfurus Can you explain how you thought my defense of plot was townie. Also can you explain why SL is less towny than you thought. Like was there any particular posts which made you think this?

On May 22 2015 22:22 disformation wrote:
Okay. bunnies time.


Starts with randomly voting sicklucker. kay. Pretty NAI imo.


Agrees with Breshke. Not seeing why. Apparently even Bunnies was not sure why they are agreeing. Not being sure about the dumbtell is a sign of not reading properly. Which I don't like either.


From the same post as last quote. First agrees with Breshke and then is like "nah, let us lynch you". Because "I see a bus"?


I like this question. But it is a really general question. Not sure if it would be hard for mafia to ask stuff like this.


I agree, but again this is a question Mafia could also have asked easily.


Then this. Can't see how Sulfurus can be seen as more townie than ticktoc of that one post... that had a strange thing in it (the accusation thing I explained earlier)? Pocket attempt? Was the question a setup for Sulfurus they agreed on in their QT? Me no like.


When asked about stuff that I also pointed out the reaction is total deflection and trying to laugh it of. Me no like.


In my book bunnies is not looking good at all. Totally leaning scum. I need to look at a few other ppl, but I guess I am willing to vote on bunnies as of now.

On May 22 2015 22:40 Barakos wrote:
Welcome back bunnies!

soo... could you elaborate on your townread on sulfuras? I find nothing in his filter, that makes me say "top town".

On May 22 2015 11:34 Sulfurus wrote:
@NinjaBunnies the most important point in this game so far is when Breshke 1st stared pushing on Sicklucker since the conflict between the two has defined the entire game.

Speaking of that, Breshke is my top scum since he continuously pushes against Sicklucker with very bad reasoning (#159 he complains that he has disappeared and hasn't thought critically only 3 hours into the game)

I also scum read Murray due to his weak and untrue accusation against Dis in post #191 which made me think Sick is town since he tried Bandwagoning on him but he has since rescinded his vote.

On May 22 2015 22:46 Rels wrote:


OK I like your defense. Except for one point. Can you explain this ?

On May 22 2015 22:52 disformation wrote:
Ah cool, you are here bunnies.


Noted. Could be an attempt to please me, so I stop pushing you.


Yup. That is why I called it NAI.


Looking forward to see that.



I really like this answer.
Haven't looked much at boxer yet, could you highlight some things that sprung out for you? I skimmed it and I didn't see anything that would strongly lead me in either direction. Though he could be mafia trying to play the newb card?

On May 22 2015 17:30 boxerfred wrote:

While I understand that, I always thought yolo'ing votes on the first day is a stupid thing to do :/

On May 22 2015 17:32 boxerfred wrote:

That'd be sick luck if you actually got a scum guy pinned down with that vote

notice the pun d'oh

On May 22 2015 23:05 Barakos wrote:
Okay... i can see, where you are coming from with that townread on sulfurus...
Might have been an ok-ish read at the time, he wrote his answer.
He just hasn't done anything since and the evidence he posted also doesn't hold up (see disformations post on bms accusations towards him).

Speaking of disformation: Why do you disagree with my push on him?
Granted: His case on you looks better than anything he did before but still i get the feeling, that his mindset is more focussed on looking towny than doing actual town-work.

On May 22 2015 23:15 Barakos wrote:



So your read on him changed on a connection you think you saw between him and boxerfred and since you suspect boxer, you now also suspect him, too?

On May 23 2015 01:21 Breshke wrote:
Just a few things before bed won't be very detailed. I like disfos post where he is like "yeah they said I didn't come to any conclusions and they are right" (I'll quote it in the morning if ppl want) it felt very honest and I like that.

I'm not lynching bats today my mind meld with him about the SL pressure was too good. I would also like to specifically know bunnies read on bats.

I also am warming up to an SL lynch again if he hasn't done stuff by the time I wake up because I don't want to fall into the trap of lyching new people for playing like new people even though that kind of makes it easier for scum.

Lastly boxerfred you said you have said you have some experience with mafia. Where you play is it normally majority lynch mechanic instead of plurality?

On May 23 2015 06:28 disformation wrote:
Ugh. Reread boxerfred.
Should move to scum lean. I see nothing that furthers town agenda in his filter. Only reacts when poked. Posting pattern is pretty lurky. Evades most of the questions anyway. No clue who he would vote for...

No idea what batsnacks sees in him. Which also makes me wonder a bit about batsnacks, who I otherwise have as a town lean. I wish I could see but I feel so blind...

On May 23 2015 08:32 disformation wrote:
OMGUS much?
And how do you ping me out, when I am the most active person in the thread? I don't really understand.
The Ugh thing was more of the lines of "uh right, reread the thing and didn't like it". TBH boxerfred is still a wonky read for me. *shrugs*

incidentally... did I hit a nerve with the connection between Sulfurus and you?

Sidenote: I can see a lot of people voting for me. Not sure why though. xD
Feel like I had to do a lot of stuff, since acitivity was a bit disappointing to me and I won't be around much tomorrow.

On May 23 2015 08:42 disformation wrote:


Hmm. Okay. It seems I don't understand your post.
Let us try this again:

What do you mean with pinging me out for a connection? I've read this as: "you were kinda waffling about/hiding and I asked you for a opinion on x".
And again: I seemed upset because I didn't liked what I have found...

Can you maybe rephrase your question or accusation?

On May 23 2015 08:44 disformation wrote:


I was implying a possible mafia connection between him and you via:

Which is imo way stronger than you giving him a town read. Especially for that one post (which had a mistake in it).

On May 23 2015 09:09 disformation wrote:


Hmm... you are right. I should demote you from main dish status and give that to BF.
Think I got to excited about the possible TMI Slip by Sulfurus and the possibility of getting two mafia out of it, if there was a connection to you.

Oh, well this bodes well for tomorrow. At least you people will have something to talk about. xD

On May 23 2015 11:24 batsnacks wrote:
I really hate the activity based reads but meh plot is never the lynch on effort alone. I also hate this disformation wagon. Scotts is the better place for any vote... but... again whatev because disformation doesn't need me to defend him.

On May 23 2015 13:25 sicklucker wrote:
Lets look at bats read progresion on me



0 scum read on me 100% presure vote



Still no read on me admits his vote on me means nothing




Has not mentioned me since all of a sudden he drops this post which conveniently is similar to thread setiment

Ya ok bats ok. I think hes a mafia with a made up read here following a few donkeys who cant read my obv town play

On May 23 2015 17:14 boxerfred wrote:

Following your words, you're trying to subtly persuade me that bunnies is not scum:
"I place bunnies at someone who's really trying to gather information" vs. "Scum generally doesn't want the town to collect new information". Which would be strange since you made a case about him that made me put myself into the fire by initially unvoting BM and following your case.So either you're just testing the waters, thus confusing many people (pointing out you lean towards scum/sk) or you're dead serious and have a flaw in that post regarding my person.

So, no, I don't get that feeling from bunnies.

On May 24 2015 06:52 Tictock wrote:
I'm actually really not sure what to make of the scott thing now, I was sure he was bound to show up before EoD and at least post... something. Like most of the votes on him until the last ~5 hours were pretty clear pressure votes, just wanting to get him to be active.

On May 24 2015 06:55 Tictock wrote:
Well.. there's only one thing to do at a time like this...

On May 24 2015 11:21 Breshke wrote:


Why do I make this list?

Otherwise add SL and yourself and I like it.

I really fail in understanding why SL tells the vigi to claim so we can discuss the shot instead of doing exactly what you just did then.

On May 24 2015 11:27 Tictock wrote:



BF? Wth you were reading him town EoD. Why are you suddenly suspecting him again?

I'm having the hardest time following your thinking the past ~30 hours.

Also regarding SL's notion. I was overreacting at the time, but literally moments after the flip suggesting a Blue claim was so WTF I had to jump on it.

Also I don't like the tone of it, but I suppose it's what to expect from SL.



Yea the tone of , "Vig claim so we can figure out your shot and you'll die for town, tnx bye" Is pretty bad.

Still credit where credit is due, it's not a bad suggestion. Vig only has one shot so their role is fulfilled just by using it, and since RB is gone they can for sure use it. Vig sacrificing themselves to ensure no other blue roles get picked off tonight is also a decent plan of action. Roles like Doc and Cop are very valuable to keep alive, whereas Vig and Vet are more for gathering information for town.

Just continuing my line of though regarding roles, Masons should almost never claim asfaik as they are VT with slightly more info than normal VT. No idea how to regard a potential SK. If we have 2 kills tonight and no Vig claim tonight/D2 then SK is real possibility... at the same time I could see that opening a window for Scum to claim Vig in that case and SK is happy with that since it keeps their role hidden from town... Ok no more on that since I'm pretty sure I'm almost lost in WIFOM.

On May 25 2015 09:19 Bill Murray wrote:
2) Tictock - scumlean
4) plotspot - townlean
5) boxerfred - null slight town
6) disformation - fairly strong town read 9/10 would fuck
7) Barakos - who? i dont remember anything from this guy
8) Sulfurus - VI, townlean
Open slots　（マフィアの経験がある程度の能力 / the ability of having experience in mafia）
9) 27ninjabunnies - null
10) Bill Murray - town
11) Breshke - townlean
12) sicklucker - scumlean
13) batsnacks - townlean

On May 24 2015 17:24 Bill Murray wrote:

I only have my initial thoughts from reading the first 10-20 pages. i dont think im going to catch up on this game.

i thought you were scum earlier on, but coming back into the game, i fully plan on just playing with a fresh mind, and coasting off the rest of the town, since you guys already lynched scum without me

why mess up a good thing, you know?

It's easier for me to get townreads than scumreads. It's easier for me to meta people I've played with a lot. It's easier to make reads when you are actually reading. I will make reads before I die if I don't get nightkilled, rest assured.

Id also like to amend my I scumread you to IGMEOY/FoS because it's more of "you're a good player, I don't know your alignment, so I'm apprehensive you could win the game/beat me" ; I wouldn't vote you at all. You're null, but when good players are null to me, I don't trust them. My read on you was also influenced by the thread, and someone saying something negative about you (as in you were scum)

Your tone, actually, though, here, indicates to me that you are more than likely town than scum. Well, you're more than likely town in general statistically, and while I'm not AtS (appealing to statstics) I'm making a language-joke. I feel like your tone in general, being inquisitive in an authoritative manner makes me want to follow you more than push you... and you don't have anything to prove to me at all where I've been relatively inactive.


shut up. disprove me. balls =/= scum


i disagree this is a fantastic post. It actually creates a defense of SL... who is SL btw? I wish people would write names out.... but if SL is scum then Sulfurus easily could be scum. Say Sulfurus is actually GF and SL is goon so hes trying to subconsciously divert any check away from SL. Also implying the guy isnt gonna be lynched to the thread trying to get people to back off of him and let a night action clear it up.. im not buying Sulfurus isnt scum OR that this is a fantastic post

FoS Sulfurus/Tictock/SL as a possible pairing 2 of those 3 or all 3 mafia/SK i see scum in those 3 at least 1...

it could also be tictock wanting to congratulate the line of reasoning to get attention off SL the same way that I thought Sulfurus could be doing it in general. However, to argue with myself on this, tictock seems confident in the way that he is even congratulating anyone in general

Say you have a dog, or child, and they start changing their behavior (you influencing it doesnt matter) youre going to congratulate them for fixing it with "good job X" or "that's fantastic" like TicTock did. If you're taking care of someone, it's usually a good sentiment. this has to indicate tictock is likely town here.

Sulfurus is someone who has seemed to go for me without really having a reason to. Lack of reasoning usually indicates scum when they push. I'm going to go back to my original analysis of this and say that, if anything, this makes me look into Sulfurus and SL more. Gonna find out who SL is right now. oh i bet it's sicklucker

I didn't like SickLucker's earlygame. Putting it into perspective, Sulfurus is actually kind of making a good read here. Sulfurus is someone who is newer and could mistake my scummy play for being scum...

scummy=/= scum but he doesnt know that yet

he doesnt know that my play builds up and towards endgame i post a shit ton of walls and try to pin scum when i actually need to. if the game starts snowballing in the favor of the team im on its much more fun for me and i can analyze a lot better with information (im not good at creating information, only using it, disecting it, and analyzing it deductively)

which leads me to my last point
sicklucker is scum

On May 27 2015 03:25 Tictock wrote:
Ok, who actually read my case on 27nb?

Like, I find it very funny that I posted this here.

On May 27 2015 00:19 batsnacks wrote:
Scum or not I'm much more interested in bunnies vs BM right now.

On May 27 2015 04:44 batsnacks wrote:
27nb what about breshke?

On May 27 2015 05:30 boxerfred wrote:
Let me elaborate further: while I think that putting pressure on BM is a good idea, we shouldn't toss another coin into the inactivity well and hope for a miracle. We were lucky enough to flip scott as scum. Not very likely that it happens a second time.

##unvote ##vote 27ninjabunnies

On May 27 2015 07:42 batsnacks wrote:
I think the optimal play would have been to wait until day to post that but... okay plotspot is confirmed town and there is a confirmed town roleblocker.

On May 28 2015 04:50 batsnacks wrote:


Cause you were wrong about bill and deserve 100% of the blame.

On May 28 2015 07:04 batsnacks wrote:
Alright. I'm the cop. Barakos and 27nb are town. We're lynching sulfur today.

##vote sulfurus

On May 29 2015 06:31 plotspot wrote:
bunnies you too, give us an idea who to vote between Sulfurus and boxerfred? I am also taking on ideas about lynching SL and dis, but if you don't have a strong case about them you don't need to present it, imo. That's just me personally, other persons will want them nevertheless, but I don't know who so they have to request it from you directly.

On May 30 2015 00:12 disformation wrote:


if you are town you are making this game a lot harder. that is not very original and looks a lot like sheeping to save your ass...
pretty disappointed so far.
do you have anything else?
your play D1 was way better... getting the feeling you lost interest after scott flipped...


but yeah i dont think we can lynch plotspot today, without finding something amazing...

tunneltoc and waffleboy (thats me in case someone doesnt get it) best team :p

also phone post. will be at home in 30min

On May 30 2015 02:26 sicklucker wrote:



yes i do his filter confirmed me/bm and plots. Then you guys went and lynched bm

On May 30 2015 02:42 sicklucker wrote:


nope get mad about it. His first post was him trying to get on my good side. His second post was pushing plots.His third post was pushing bm.

3 towns spewed by a 3 post mafia.

On May 31 2015 07:15 plotspot wrote:
I can't prove it anymore, I decided to listen to SL and blocked him, because I did believe that we could actually have 2 Masons.

On May 31 2015 07:19 sicklucker wrote:
no plots didnt block me. he blocked bats ;p

On May 31 2015 07:22 plotspot wrote:


Sorry, as soon as I thought you and him are being partners, everything started making sense. This must be like what it is to be in another tunnel.

On May 31 2015 07:28 Barakos wrote:
blocking bats is actually a valid play, if you don't believe the claim, since it would have been likely he carrys the kp, cause everybody thinks he is town...

and if he is not fakeclaiming, the chance is high, he get's lynched, cause mafia cant risk another check... so it's pretty low risk, high reward. Don't be mad at plots for doing it / sl for suggesting it.

On May 31 2015 07:31 sicklucker wrote:


if bats was fakelcaiming he would have stopped kp and won the game. rb mafia is a pretty low chance. So eliminating that world is fine. If anyone was going to fake claim in this game it was going to be bats.

On May 31 2015 07:43 plotspot wrote:
and SL kinda make sense, he pointed out I should look at the interactions at 10 minutes before the EoD3. in the last 10 min Bats switches his vote on bunnies saying that if she was Mafia she would care, and since Sulfurus was there and cared, he thought Sulfurus was mafia. Then bunnies show up and he is totally caught by surprise, maybe because they said in their Scum QT that she should just afk and let him handle the rest? That was my thoughts, when I started to see what SL meant.

On June 01 2015 12:49 Tictock wrote:
@27nb

I was, but stopped when people didn't want to listen to my ideas. Clearly town prefers to have no plan, than a solid case. Oh and good luck with plots, he's a dodgy one.

I'd like to lynch mafia, so even though my case is on plots RB role being fake, I'm fine going with Bara first. Idk why people want to keep the worst Town RB in history around, but w/e.

##Unvote

##Vote: Barakos

They both have

On June 02 2015 00:46 Tictock wrote:
@ 27nb

What do you think about my points that Plots and Bara have spent most of the day deflecting and not looking for scum?

You keep promising to do reading and get back to us, care to make good on that offer?

Can you check how many posts Bara and plots have made today which offers no signs of scum hunting? And when they do mention people being potential scum... is it consistent, or is it all over the place, like everyone could still be scum?

On June 02 2015 01:05 Tictock wrote:
Tomorrow might be 2 late

Imagine D5 the people left are Dis, BF, SL, Plots and Bara.

If I'm right, and SL keeps being obstinate with his weak reads on Bara and Plots, then I see Mafia having a free win tomorrow.

On June 02 2015 01:17 Tictock wrote:
Which was why I thought maybe you'd care to finally do that reading you always promised us...

On June 02 2015 01:22 Tictock wrote:
Sorry, I'm just in the same boat as you 27nb.

I've done a ton of reading and thinking putting my cases together. Yet everyone just dismisses it as some tunneled nonsense. My feelings that people aren't reading comes from the fact I don't see good reasoning as to why my case is wrong. Just fear that it COULD be wrong.

On June 02 2015 01:30 Tictock wrote:
Woops sorry, wasn't done.

Here he is suggesting that the only was it makes sense to consider him scum is if you are crazy. Is that really True?

If so then were Bats and plots crazy to use their night actions on him? They much have had solid reasons to suspect him, those night actions are important.

On June 02 2015 01:35 Tictock wrote:
Please do, I really felt like they were clearly defending each other and supporting each other through my cases.

At the same time, this could also have been a ploy to bury my case under several pages of posts.

They started posting together near the end of D3, and keep doing it anytime I mention them both as a scum team.

On May 25 2015 08:07 sicklucker wrote:
If im mafia whos my partner here? everyones voted me at some point of the game now.

Me and bunnies would not be that obv.

I sapose I could be with bm? why dont you just vote him first

On June 02 2015 03:19 Tictock wrote:
@27nb

Sl being useless isn't evidence of him being scum

SL is useless as town too.

On June 02 2015 03:28 Tictock wrote:
@27nb

Try and answer those questions I just posted to SL.

Tell me that you really think plots is an RB this game.

On June 02 2015 04:51 Barakos wrote:
I'm semi-around, will look into the thread from time to time... Don't expect me to react on the case on me, I said, I wouldn't fight getting lynched, since I almost got the feeling, town can't be saved unless tictock is brought off of his stupid case, so getting lynched is kinda my wincondition here... sad but true.

I am also completely frustrated with this game, since I don't see town winning with tictock tunneling and the only way to stop this tunnel is me dieing. (Or plots, but we can't have plots die, so rather me.)

On June 02 2015 04:39 boxerfred wrote:
Nah Barakos is seriously town. It's bunnies we gotta go for. I mean for real, it's bunnies and dis/sl as maf. Tictoc's case is way too tryhard. I'm sick of you townies still believing disinformation on his reads and pushes. FFS he's pushing me since ages. Well if I flip green you can just vote bunnies+dis

it's really stupid at this point you guys manage to so screw it up

On June 02 2015 05:07 boxerfred wrote:

I found mafia already. I'm constantly voting on you since D2, noone even cares. It's all about finding out who's with you, and I say it's dis or sl. Said that multiple times. Noone's listening, keke, vote me, town still wins if there's a mislynch today.

On June 02 2015 05:09 boxerfred wrote:

Blunder there? I'm always saying Dis OR SL. How comes you not asking for SL?

On June 02 2015 05:11 boxerfred wrote:
Lynching bunnies, great. bunnies green, I say we lynch barakos. Lynching Barakos, fine. barakos green, I say we lynch bunnies. Boom. I'm not moving from that. Not on D3, not on this day. nail me on it.

On June 02 2015 05:21 sicklucker wrote:


ok now i want to vote you again

On June 02 2015 05:32 sicklucker wrote:


Thats something a mafia would say. You yourself have pushed the notif hes probably town for being roleblocked and green checked

On June 02 2015 06:27 plotspot wrote:


Why do you vote for SL if both boxerfred and SL are going afk, when before you voted for boxerfred?

On June 02 2015 06:39 Barakos wrote:
alright... back for the last few minutes...

SL casts a vote on someone with low probability of getting lyncht and then afks?
Rest is votes jumping between bf and bunnies, that about right?

On June 02 2015 06:56 plotspot wrote:


why you panic? if you are town and are myslynched, boxerfred and barakos are scum. Town wins. Calm down it's sure win-win.

On June 02 2015 06:55 sicklucker wrote:


then you shouldnt have made the wagon vs the top onconfirmed town and yourself how convient

On June 02 2015 06:57 sicklucker wrote:
it took us awile but were finally lynching this obv scum who mostly gave up after scott died. After scott died my activity went up to 20 pages i would be demotivated as hell