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disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
May 28 2015 01:37 GMT
#1447
On May 28 2015 10:34 batsnacks wrote:
  • Sulfurus: Wasted his vote two days in a row.


Oh yeah, did forget to mention that. My D1 VCA only touched the people on Scott. Since he wasted his vote D1 he wasn't on that list.
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
May 28 2015 01:40 GMT
#1448
Also: nearing 4 am here. Should go to bed. Looking forwards to the answers, if there will be any.
As always: feel free to ask questions.
If you want to know who I think looks worse... look where my vote is at.
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
May 28 2015 10:38 GMT
#1487
So I was checking this to see if mafia surrendered. Not quite happy with what I found...

Am at work and actually want/have stuff to do today. So I will make this brief.
@ticktoc:
look at his cop checks. Look at his filter.
Do the checks line up with his filter?
Can you see him using the information he got from the barakos N1 check on D2?
There is also a bit of information that can be gained from reading the op again, that you probably missed. This makes it more unlikely that this is a mafia play. Hint: Has to do with him blurting out his check before EoN.

You should be able to see how he is 100% the cop with that...
But I can see how bunnies makes it super hard to think she is town.
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
May 28 2015 10:55 GMT
#1490
Also town rb and gf stuff:
Since batsnacks is 100% the cop and we 100% have masons, that makes it extremely unlikely we also have a town rb (that can block mafia kp!). Thus I agree that we have 2 mafia rb. Which makes it a bit more unlikely we have mafia rb/rb/gf.

By taking out the people with claims,checks, etc. the people left are:
ticktoc
boxerfred
Sulfurus
sicklucker
disformation

That is like a 2/5 to lynch mafia. If one of those is the town mason and claims, we are down to basically a 50% chance of hitting mafia.
In my case, if I take myself out (since I know I'm town) and you are the mason. I have only 3 targets left. Look at my huge wall a few pages ago.
Even if there is a GF, one of those 3 is 100% mafia.
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
May 28 2015 11:42 GMT
#1507
Yo. plotspot.
On May 28 2015 12:56 27ninjabunnies wrote:
EBWOP: Why ARE YOU no lynching?


I am getting a bit annoyed right now. This game is basically solvable using some logic, but we are having a bunch of (presumably) town trying to make it as hard as possible to the very last minute.
I kinda want to go in a corner and cry for a bit.
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
May 28 2015 11:48 GMT
#1511
On May 28 2015 20:43 Tictock wrote:
See this setup stuff is confusing me a decent bit as well.

We really only know for sure that there is Cop and Masons for Town, and that both plots and Bara have said they were RB'd

Everything else is pure speculation right? Granted there can be good logic from a balancing perspective, but is it reliable?


If there was a town rb he would have claimed by now. Why?
cop
greencheck 1
greencheck 2
mason 1
mason 2
town rb

There are 9 people still alive.

We are down to 3 people. With a super high chance that 2 of them are mafia. And mafia has to decide if they want to shoot the cop or the rb first. So town would have won at this point.
disformation
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Germany8352 Posts
May 28 2015 12:02 GMT
#1524
This game...
disformation
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Germany8352 Posts
May 28 2015 12:04 GMT
#1527
On May 28 2015 21:03 plotspot wrote:
Want me to explain how I am RB or do you guys actually want to think about it for a while? I'm doing everything here to ges you guys thinking but it doesn't seem to work.


Let us start with:
Who did you block N1 and N2 and why?
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
May 28 2015 12:15 GMT
#1540
vt
disformation
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Germany8352 Posts
May 28 2015 12:43 GMT
#1563
On May 28 2015 21:37 plotspot wrote:
Bats is cop, why should he ninja-hint Barakos at the last minute of N2. It's not plausible or do you think Bats is capaple of doing that?


Since the op does nowhere state that the mafia team knows which roles the town team has, this would be an incredible! risky strategy for mafia.
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
May 28 2015 12:51 GMT
#1570
Shit. I'll have to think about this a lot when I get home later.
##unvote for now...
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
May 28 2015 13:02 GMT
#1578
On May 28 2015 22:00 sicklucker wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 28 2015 21:37 plotspot wrote:
Bats is cop, why should he ninja-hint Barakos at the last minute of N2. It's not plausible or do you think Bats is capaple of doing that?


easily if bats is mafia he had already decided to claim. His first post after the nk was his claim


He also asks you and bunnies about barakos:
On May 26 2015 04:28 batsnacks wrote:
27nb and SL please give a read on barakos when you can.


At the time I was like "huh, why barakos of all people?". If he had a greencheck on barakos that question makes more sense to me...
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
May 28 2015 13:17 GMT
#1585
On May 28 2015 21:43 plotspot wrote:
And I already explained why an RB, Mason and Cop is fair to Mafia RB, Mafia Godfather and Mafia Goon. Scumteam Tictock Sulfurus just had bad luck that we just hit Barakos (both me and Bats), Rels (me) and 27ninja. Or is there any doubt to whether 27ninja might be Godfather? Her cluelessness simply makes it extremely unlikely.
You even see now that Tictock tries hard to deflect from voting for Sulfurus for whatever reason you want. And I posted a post about Sulfurus just somewhere above that gives her away as Mafia, especially if you know the setup now.


town
RB = 1 active role
cop = 1 active role
masons = 2 passive roles
= 2 active, 2 passive

mafia
GF = 1 passive role
RB = 1 active role
= 1 active, 1 passive

*scratches head* How about no?

Also ticktoc just posted a pretty credible blue claim. You will have to make a pretty damn good case to convince me he is lying. Your unflipped association stuff with Sulfurus and ticktoc is nowhere near being a good case.

##vote: plotspot
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
May 28 2015 13:25 GMT
#1589
On May 28 2015 22:17 plotspot wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 28 2015 09:48 Sulfurus wrote:
@Batsnacks How do you know Bunnies is not the GF?


I will explain how this post will reveal Sulfurus as Mafia, and basically supports my case without the Tictock interaction.
Sulfurus posted that question after clueless Batsnacks and disformation are hysterical about there being another Mafia RB.
The right question would have been "How do you know Bunnies and Barakos are not the GF"? In her mind it was 100% technically perfect that Barakos cannot be mafia. She assumes that Batsnacks believed this lie. The truth his however it is totally possible for Barakos to be Godfather with the Town RB setup. He just automatically reads him town because he is mafia.


trying to discredit some people unlikely to buy your story? cute.
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
May 28 2015 13:58 GMT
#1597
On May 28 2015 22:48 plotspot wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 28 2015 22:37 Tictock wrote:

I notice SL and Dis are expecting me to claim mason. Honestly though, I feel like if I were a role wouldn't I be in the best position to not claim? Like most people are reading me as town anyway, if I were to claim a role it wouldn't really narrow things down at the moment.


I would have held to this thinking as well, but once the role speculation started to get too out of hand I realized it was in fact doing town more harm than good.

And thanks to a thing known as "a flip" Bre is in fact the only confirmed blue role at this moment in the game. It's up to town to decide if the people claiming roles have been acting in line with that role, and to sniff out any fake claims that have inconsistencies.

I think he still missed my question.

PLOTSPOT!!


What was your reasoning RBing him in the first place?


The "him" = Barakos


I couldn't read him that well. While I said he was town earlier, I had my doubts internally and not published. I wonder why batsnacks thought the same?


That is basically the only mention of barakos in your filter...

On May 26 2015 07:47 plotspot wrote:
Barakos: feels genuine. I believe what he says. He has an alerting but inoffensive way of expressing himself and most (if not all) his posts I can say: “hmm yeah I see the meaning behind it”. A possibly strange point which reinforce my town read on him is that he fantasizes about how scum QT looks like here. For me it’s hard to imagine scum would do that, I mean just for the thought of it at all. But here we have a townie imagining how things went in the scum QT and scott’s case is really a strange one, that leaves me wondering whether he betrayed his mates or whether they knew he had some time issues and just deal with it somehow.


Why the fuck would you roleblock a null/town read over a scum read?
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
May 28 2015 14:00 GMT
#1600
Ah. Damn. Just noticed...
We either have a town rb or a 2nd mafia rb. Because we only have one claimed rb each night...
Maybe I am clueless.
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
May 28 2015 14:09 GMT
#1602
On May 28 2015 23:00 Barakos wrote:
We'll not have to wait till next lynch...
I am pretty sure, boxerfred will enter the thread, not cc and your whole "sulfurus, tictock"-theory will come crushing down.

even if he counterclaims, all my money is on bf being the fakeclaim... the reason for this just being his excitement of finally finding a bluerole last night, when he thought it breshke softclaimed cop. Tictock being breshkes masonpartner is the far more believable option.


this.
Though I feel like something is missing. This stuff is not making a lot of sense.
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
May 28 2015 14:09 GMT
#1603
EBWOP:
This stuff = all the roles and claims flying around.
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
May 28 2015 14:19 GMT
#1608
On May 28 2015 23:18 Tictock wrote:
Actually, never mind if plots is scum we should discount pretty much everything he's said


Depends if BF cc's you or not.
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
May 28 2015 14:33 GMT
#1611
On May 28 2015 23:24 plotspot wrote:
But then who would his scum partner when Tictock is mason? Is boxerfreds scum partner Sulfurus? I kinda make it clear that I can see Sulfurus as scum without the association to Tictock. What do you guys think of the mislip I talk about?


Well, Sulfurus and boxerfred being mafia would align with my huge wall post.
Opposing to ticktoc I read you willing to die for the lynch on Sulfurus as rather towny.
The misslip is a good point actually enough.
*Sigh*
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