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On May 25 2015 21:00 batsnacks wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2015 20:56 sicklucker wrote:On May 25 2015 19:55 batsnacks wrote:
SL what do you think of baraka? Maybe something other than that you green checked him. idk why do you think I fake checked him of all people. SO I didnt have to read his filter untill the next day. Procrastination is my game Well you said you had a scum lean on him and I do too so I was curious.
You mean this wonderfull read?
After which he doesn't answer anymore?
Or the other time, where you asked him about me and he answers "don't care, gotta not get lynched"?
Because other than that i don't find any reads in sls filter that he gave in response to you asking.
The other stuff he writes about me is him trying to make up, why I could be scum and voting me, only to unvote me, after I made my case vs him.
Unless I miss something (point out please) he never gave you any kind of read about me.
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On May 27 2015 00:04 sicklucker wrote:
We have talked about you plenty. If your not a lynch today I dont really care about you
that's total bs... batsnacks asked you about me in 3 posts to which you only really answered one time and your anser was "got no read, that's why i fake-greenchecked him".
Which he is content with, as it seems... Becaus that's all you two talked about me with each other...
The other times i appear in batsnacks' filter is when we talk to each other and in your filter i appear, when you attacked me for various (sometimes more, sometimes less) fabricated reasons and voted / unvoted me...
So him saying you gave him a satisfying read on me and you coming in defending him now looks like total shit.
In case you flip red, there is a high chance of him flipping red, too. IMHO.
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i mean... there is no readable interaction between the two of you concerning any read about me.
And even if there was... that is long after the rolehunting of sicklucker.
So even if there was a read about me sl gave bats, it isn't a valid reason for not calling sl out on rolehunting, since this would have happened a lot later, so it couldn't have been a reason for not calling sl out as batsnacks claimed.
that post you quoted was 4 hours after you asked, when you weren't even in the thread anymore...
no way this could have been a reason for you not calling him out on his rolehunting.
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I'm not very fond of lynching bunnies atm.
somebody said "i would consider unvoting her if she started a case on sulfurus" and her going for bm looks kinda good. i get the feeling, mafia in the need of defense would have gone for exactly that and started a wagon on someone, who was proposed to them, cause the chance of this working are higher.
Then again - BM was also a quite obvious target for a counterwagon, since he wasn't active for the last 20-something hours.
That being said, I also don't like the wagon on bm. Mainly, because he's been inactive the whole day and kind of announced he would... he said, he was moving in or something.
What I said D1 about lynching inactives still stands. I just don't like it... be it sulfurus or bm...
In my opinion it's too coinflippy and my case on sl still stands... even if i seem to be the only one believing this is a good play today.
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On May 27 2015 06:07 batsnacks wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2015 06:06 disformation wrote:On May 27 2015 06:01 Barakos wrote:
I'm not very fond of lynching bunnies atm.
somebody said "i would consider unvoting her if she started a case on sulfurus" and her going for bm looks kinda good. i get the feeling, mafia in the need of defense would have gone for exactly that and started a wagon on someone, who was proposed to them, cause the chance of this working are higher.
Then again - BM was also a quite obvious target for a counterwagon, since he wasn't active for the last 20-something hours.
That being said, I also don't like the wagon on bm. Mainly, because he's been inactive the whole day and kind of announced he would... he said, he was moving in or something.
What I said D1 about lynching inactives still stands. I just don't like it... be it sulfurus or bm...
In my opinion it's too coinflippy and my case on sl still stands... even if i seem to be the only one believing this is a good play today. If you have a suggestion and a reason for who we should lynch instead, I am all ears.  He thinks we should lynch SL today.
This.
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On May 27 2015 07:42 batsnacks wrote:
I think the optimal play would have been to wait until day to post that but... okay plotspot is confirmed town and there is a confirmed town roleblocker.
How does this make plotspot confirmed town?
After all it was a town-roleblocker.
I'd agree with you, if it had been the mafia-rb.
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Hi there, I'll be around for a bit, posting from my office though, so I'll not have the fastes response-times.
Breshke: How did you go from townleaning towards me to me being your top3 scum? We had rarely any interactions at all...
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Sorry, I don't follow your question.
You want to know, what i make out of plot not updating his table?
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Bla - nevermind... you quoted it.
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Same reason I didn't vote for scott D1
Explained it in the same post i said i didn't like lynching bunnies.
In my first (and up till now only) game here, i won as mafia because town lynched all the inactives first while I was one of the three most active players and got a pass till lylo, where all I had to do was chose the right one to hammer the last vote and win...
I basically had a free pass till end of game, because every lynch was on the inactives. So I think - and my experience backs me up on this - that lynching inactives is just an easy way for mafia to gett further into the game and towards mylo/lylo.
Ask breshke, he was in that game as well.
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On May 27 2015 16:59 boxerfred wrote:
Barakos, if you're so worried about not lynching inactives, why didn't you push on someone more actively and stayed in your lurker role?
I did?
I made a case against disformation, who was the other wagon D1 and I gave plenty reason to vote SL day two at the time, when the wagons were bunnies and sl. Then I returned to a thread, where all the votes were gone from SL and the wagons were BM and 27nb and when people were talking about doing voteswitches to sulfurus, I once again tried and said i would highly prefer a SL-lynch.
@SL: game was disney princess mafia...
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/464494-newbie-lviii-disney-princess-mafia
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On May 27 2015 17:08 Breshke wrote:
Nah dude was my first game and literally played like shit read my flter if you want a laugh was dead weight.
I do kinda rememebr the inactive thing though. Except i don't think the first lynch was an inactive i think it was some townie that got hella mad
First lynch was gobbledydook, who was inactive except for two intervals of 30 minutes, in which he started a scream-fight, which made him even easier to lynch, yeah.
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Of course you wouldn't want to go into lylo with someone, who has almost no filter, so at some point, you would have to start lynching into them, sure... but as long as there are valid other suspects and there is enough time, I don't see the point in lynching into them.
Especially if you already caught one. (Not thanks to me, but our first lynch was scum, so how high are the odds of 2 out of 3 scum being this inactive?)
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Bunnies would be not looking good, that's for sure...
promising a big push "in the next two hours" and not following it up, that weird "you activated my trap"-play during D1 which looked off...
I have to admit, i haven't looked into boxerfred and sulfurus at all, so I would have to go looking into them, too.
If SL isn't scum, that would kinda clear batsnacks (who atm is also a suspect for me) in my eyes, since my read vs him is mainly based on that weird discussion I had with him and sl early-eod2.
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I realise, I am contradicting myself here a little, saying I don't like a lynch on bunnies before EoD2 and now saying she would be a prime suspect... but you kinda took my 3 prime suspects away from me... ^^
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bats.
but in a world where sl isn't scum he is cleared imho, as i explained in the earlier post.
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On May 27 2015 17:56 Breshke wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2015 17:54 Barakos wrote:
bats.
but in a world where sl isn't scum he is cleared imho, as i explained in the earlier post. yeah sorry probably could have put two and two together. Does it not cross your mind that all three of your main suspects voted for the mafia D1? If two of them are mafia why didn't they just switch to disfo? This is mainly about bats/SL being possible partners. But moving on. Bunnies being a prime suspect. What conclusions could you get from that?
Well... if two of them are mafia, then there is the high possibility that disfo is mafia?
And if disfo isn't mafia bats + sl switching to hammer a town... you know, how bad this would look. So the decision here would have to be made between trying to get towncred by hammering the inacitve partner or saving the inactive partner and drawing suspicion towards them.
Moving on:
27nb being mafia would clear disfo, for her weird switch towards him based on some link she saw between him and bf.
I wouldn't be more suspicious of sulfurus than I am now, just because she declared him top town early on (which she then retracted by saying he would be a good cop-check), since this would be way too obvious and would in my eyes be mafia trying to pocket an inexperienced newbie.
rest of her filter is pretty much the case on bm...
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On May 27 2015 18:55 Tictock wrote:
I don't mind Bara's thought about 27nb flipping red clearing Dis, but I'm not a fan of lynching someone for info.
that's not at all, what I said... I said in case of her flipping red disfo is likely green. I didn't say kill her, so we can clear disfo if she is scum. That's a huge difference.
And this all is in a hypothetical world in which noone of disfo, sl and bs is scum, so there is a lot of if-then-else included here.
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On May 27 2015 19:33 Breshke wrote:
I askeed you that hypothetical because thats how i am reading the game. I still don't understand your bats/SL thing.
For example if bats is scum with SL that means bunnies is town. So yes bunnies started the train on BM but it wouldnt of gone anywhere without bats first backing it. So why does bats move the lynch from one town to another town? What is his motive behind this?
He basically doesn't care and since he promised to unvote, if bunnies starts taking part in the game it's an easy thing for him to switch votes...
I'll try to explain the bats/sl thing...
the bats / sl thing is basically, that sl was rolehunting with all his claims and the mason-thing and bats didn't call him out for that.
then somebody had a theory about one of the wagons being started by a cop, having a redcheck (simplyfied, but that's the main thing) and bats immidiatly called him out for rolefishing.
I pointed out, that he treated rolehunting in both cases differently. He told me, he didn't call sl out on rolehunting, because sl made a case vs me, after which i reread the interaction between batsnacks and sl and sl never made a case vs me as a response to batsnacks asking him to.
The "case" which sl made was 4 hours later, after bats wasn't even in the thread anymore, so I called bats out on this, after which sl jumped in and said they had talked about me a lot, which just wasn't true.
Hope that clears this up and you can see my line of thought.
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On May 27 2015 20:59 plotspot wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2015 20:42 Tictock wrote:
Fine, it's basically the same question so I'll answer the generalized one. 3 reasons I can think of
1) To poke and get reads, SL himself claimed this
2) Keeps them from being clear target to Mafia, possible way to hide as a role
3) Playstyle choice, makes your scum game more in line with town game.
#3 is my assessment of SL, though 1 is valid.
I know SL is not a role this game, least not a town role... You see, you're only acting dumb (obviously, sorry if I called you out on this). My opinion is #2. How can you exclude #2. Ok I admit I have NEVER ever plyed with SL, so I don't see why #2 is a no-go.
DON'T FUCKING SPECULATE ABOUT SOMEONE BEING A ROLE FFS -.-
If you think somebody is a town role, try to verify it privately but not out in the open. Is the concept of hiding blueroles so hard to grasp?
You play the game to find mafia and not to find fucking blueroles so stop discussing it in thread unless claimed... you are doing mafias job atm. -.-
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