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On May 23 2015 20:04 batsnacks wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2015 18:44 Barakos wrote:@batsnacks: As I said, I am disappointed by the results you got out of the reactions to your iching... It seems like I put more thoughts into them, then you did. This at least raises an eyebrow and also makes you look suspicios, cause you generated discussion which you didn't really follow up / only followed up half-heartedly, which is very little, given the fact, that you premade this stuff, so one could expect, you have an actual plan for this and not just "townpoints, because they reacted". As an example of what you could expect: Compare TicTocks reaction to disformations reaction. TicTocks mindset / interpretation of your iching is all about solving the game, while disformations is about what it means to be town. Out of this, you can see, what this two had in minde while reading your text... Tictock was all about solving the game (which is town, since mafia doesn't need to solve anything, they now it all.). Disformation was all about how to be town, which is mafias main-concern all game long. This is also why I got an early townread on tictock... mostly based on this one reaction to your post. Also these two posts: post 1post 2are made within 40 minutes of each other and there is no visible thought-process between them... Please explain this vote-jump, cause i don't see any connection between sls 2 posts he made in between this posts and the switch in your stance toward him. (and you forgot to ##unvote...) You don't really look good in my eyes. I was going to let this read slide the first time but you being this wrong about me is dangerous for everyone. A few hours into the game, everything posted was bullshit. Literally everything that happened at the very start of this game is worthless and completely irrelevant now. Look at some of the stuff people were posting: Show nested quote +On May 22 2015 07:05 27ninjabunnies wrote:On May 22 2015 07:00 sicklucker wrote:
1st Scum Show nested quote +On May 22 2015 07:11 disformation wrote:On May 22 2015 07:07 sicklucker wrote:
like wth is the theme of this game who are these cute lil anime girls and how are they not creepy Typical first reaction to a sicklucker post: *facepalm*, then I think about it for a second and start to laugh madly.  Well the fluff and stuff was already included in the op post and where the roles where explained. I think someone also posted where this fluff comes from? I don't know much about it, but the touhou games are bullethell games where the main characters are little girls with magical powers. Show nested quote +On May 22 2015 07:31 Bill Murray wrote:
##vote:27ninjabunnies the problem is it's barely too much ninja if it were 26 bunnies you'd be cool All of these quotes are posted within 30 minutes to an hour of my weird Chinese poetry. Even though everyone in the thread is posting bs, and not following up on their bs, you have chosen to single out my bs out of all the other bs. How can you have a problem with the bs I posted at the start of the game and NOT have a problem with the bs other people were posting at the start of the game? Especially when my bs generated more discussion than anyone else's bs. That is why I said you were singling me out before and it makes you look really, really bad.
I'm picking on you, because you are the only one, who actually prepared something, said he could draw conclusions out of it and then has no followup.
Plus the discussion you created had nothing to do with bringing the game forward but with interpreting poetry.
The crap you quoted is obvious trolling / fun... your crap is premade and not followed up by you...
I don't really care if you think me pointing this out makes me look bad... it makes you look way worse.
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@ tictock: I think my read a lot more solid than reads based on people not being in the thread / hardly posting, that's why I am sticking to it. It may not seem big to you, but what else do you want to base your reads on, if not on peoples mindset?
I found disformations mindset to be suspicous and will keep my vote on him... not saying this won't change during the game, but I think he has atm the highest chance of flipping red at the end of the day.
On the other question, why people who aren't voting inactives don't vote nb: I felt the small exchange I had with her ok... at least not suspicious
@disformation: You're right, i fucked up with this sulfurus thing... dunno, what happened there, I must have mixed up some posts in sulfurus' filter. -.- sloppy by me. Sorry, disregard the part, where I say, sulfurus' post is too old.
Still: my arguement, that a case based on tmi seems constructed to me and not very reasonable.
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I stand corrected. Looks like it was better to lynch into the inactives after all.
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The votes on scott mean just about nothing.
27nb asked if people thought there was mafia voting for scott shortly before eod... there sure was.
People said scott rolled mafia in several of his newbie-games and wasn't very happy about this, so I am pretty sure his scum-partners in the qt knew this, too.
So there might very well have been plans about voting him, if it becomes apparent, he will not return to the thread. Him not returning and posting as less as possible might even have been the plan right from the start.
Which is also why what bm said about scotts post making him look good is complete bs since this might as well have been a planned breadcrumbing, which a scum-bm could later on use by saying "look, he tried to make me look bad and he was mafia, so i must be town". Just look at the scum-qt of assassination-mafia. bm is perfectly capable of hatching such a plan and scott - already not excited about having rolled scum - would have happily followed, since he wouldn't let his team completely hanging.
I guess all i am saying is, that we can't really interpret anything into scotts posts, because him leaving the thread and giving up is most likely a thing, he discussed with his teammates, so there surely was a plan about how he should behave in the few posts he made, which is why everything he said could be interpreted one way or the other.
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About the vigilante-stuff...
nobody claim yet!
Just discuss it, the way the sensible people advised you to. It's ok to give your thoughts now and - in case we got a vig - after the daypost claiming might be an option. we gain nothing from a vig, who is shot during n1. A living confirmed town is way better for us than a dead confirmed town.
As for possible vig-targets:
sl seems like the best choice here, followed by sulfurus and maybe 27nb.
bm returning and posting in the way he did in his last posts makes me kinda want to wait and see, if there is more wisdom coming from him, else he would also be a prime target for the vig.
potential cop-checks for me would be
disformation, bm, batsnacks and also sulfurus + 27nb
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Pretty sure, he would have been warned, since he posted and this is a newbie-game but whatever...
Your logic fails, since nobody would do this, if they actually thought, scott would be modkilled, since him flipping red would make the person pushing for lynching someone different really bad.
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ebwop: was directed at sl... need to quote! -.-
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@ breshke - you are right... forgot about replacements.
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On May 24 2015 19:14 Breshke wrote:
awkward thought it was to me sorry!
Barakos who are your top 5 town
top 5? That's a lot.
TicTock is top town for the way he played and what i read out of the poetry-stuff.
Then there is you for pushing sl all game long, which i liked, because sl looks like shit and hasn't really started making sense.
Plotspot got a spot (pun intended!) in my town for the effort, but will have to follow up on this stuff. I would actually prefer him taking part in the game, than just doing his background-analysis...
Next would be Rels... basically because of his presence in the thread and his critical thinking
can't give a 5th spot... would probably go to bf for looking too newb to be scum but this is a bad reason for townreading, so i wont do it.
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On May 24 2015 19:18 Bill Murray wrote:fixed that for you
Was so hard for me, not to make any bad jokes... TY for failing to resist. :p
Also: Could you explain your tictock-scumread? Seems like a really unique read you got there.
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Hi guys...
sorry for not being around yesterday. Monday was a holiday here in germany, so the day was off and I was out with friends and forgot to drop by to warn you...
Will reread the thread. Looking at the votes, I think I should put emphasis on reading bunnies and sl? Anything else important?
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soo... reread the thread...
one thing i found kinda funny:
I make a post about the votes not meaning much, because it may very well have been planned to vote for unmotivated scum-scott and a few hours after disformation (my stongest scum-read at that moment) makes a huge post saying he analyzed the votes and stuff... it is almost as if you try to antagonize me, disfo..
Anyways... I doubt scum-disfo would do this, since i was the only one pushing him really hard and scum would at this point try to not draw more of my attention by actively trying to argue with me... so for now, disfo moves down from the top spot of my lynch-list.
27nb:
looks not so good. was never under my suspicion, because I felt the exchange we had about sulfurus and her reaction to the case disformation made against her.
Starts to look worse now.
I like tictocks point, about her trying to draw attention to the people voting scott by asking, if there was mafia between them and her promising a big reads-post and not delivering also looks bad.
sl:
oh god, what a mess... it is almost as if he tries to confuse everybody...
"i may or may not have a green check on barakos"
"i may be cop or doctor"
"i am vanilla town"
Like wtf this play looks bad on so many levels.
If you are vanilla town it is like the worst possible play to claim you have a green check on someone whose filter you haven't even read and you actually say, you can't read him properly... ok... he retracted in the end... i get that.
Next thing, why this play was bad as it can be: He might very well have provoked a counter-claim by the real cop/doc... this is a newbie-game after all and if there were a actual cop/doc in the game an excited newbie might have very well counterclaimed right on the spot. So him going all "i am role x/y" and then after some hours of waiting and no counterclaims saying "lol, just kidding i trolled you all, i am a plain vt." looks very much like rolehunting and hoping someone actually bites and counterclaims. Also there is this quote by him going like "masons, i know who you are, you might as well come out and claim."... next occasion he is rolehunting. but when boxerfred has a theory about a cop having a redcheck and therefor trying to start a wagon, he instantly calls him out on in. So it's ok, when he does it... but only, when he does it.
Other things I don't like about his spammy, mostly oneliner-filter:
He trys to paint himself in a towny light with the most absurd reasons, like the votecount for example.
He puts himself in the spot of a town hero by saying it was his vote and him persuading batsnacks to vote scott that finally swung the vote to lynch scott and not disformation, and when he is confronted with a reasonable arguement, that invalidates this arguement (my post that those votes may very well have been preplanned), his reaction is "lol you know, what mafia says in their qt? you are mafia!"
You are not mafia for thinking about, what mafia would do in their qt, and what might be their plans... that's a natural thing for town to do - you try to figure them out and you are paranoid about everything that isn't actually confirmed.
And this is one point where sl contradicts himself... see this quote:
On May 26 2015 14:44 sicklucker wrote:
Maybe I was right about barokos and sulp pre planning their entrances how awesome would that be. Like there giving 0 critical thinking here we probably wont here from them for another 48 hours
He refers to this post:
On May 22 2015 17:23 sicklucker wrote:
Did you guys just plan your list posts in the qt or something
Not only does he conveniantly forget, that he was throwing dirt at me for entering the thread at the same time as rels (a confirmed town, he also threw dirt at) and not sulfurus, he is also completely fine with speculating about mafia-qts, when it fits his agenda. Only, when it is not fitting for him, he devaluates it by saying the person speculating is mafia for knowing too much about the scum-qt.
Also him disregarding the possibility of a serialkiller to devalue votes vs him again lacks critical thinking on his part and ignoring the possibility of a townaction, that negated one kp at night. the chance isn't the biggest, i will agree to that, but there is still a possibility, that something like this happened.
So to sum it up:
SLs behavior looks very anti-town to me + he has double standarts, when it comes to certain behaviours and lacks town-trades like a certain amount of paranoia and critical thinking.
I am totally fine with lynching him today.
##vote sicklucker
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why's that and why is your vote on bunnies? I can't remember you giving a reason for your vote.
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On May 26 2015 21:07 disformation wrote:
Inb4 some accuses me for being SK for trying to get the discussion away from the possibility of there being a SK... *rolleyes*
No... at that point I agree with you. Speculating about SK atm leads us nowhere. Atm I also live in a world without SK and I think we should let this discussion rest for now, till there are clear evidents about one.
We just need to keep in mind, that there is a possibility of one being in the game and either having his shot blocked or holding his shot in order to derail the thread into a needless discussion about potential scenarios in which there is a sk.
For now I would work on the basis of no SK in the setup since everything else is speculation and there are better things to talk about than setup.
Since sl and bunnies aren't around:
Why do you think rels was killed, disfo?
and @batsnacks:
What do you make of my case against sl? He hase a lot of contradictions and other crap in his filter, so wouldn't it be ok, to not give him another day?
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So sl... any reaction to my case on you?
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On May 26 2015 21:44 sicklucker wrote:
"Other things I don't like about his spammy, mostly oneliner-filter:
He trys to paint himself in a towny light with the most absurd reasons, like the votecount for example.
He puts himself in the spot of a town hero by saying it was his vote and him persuading batsnacks to vote scott that finally swung the vote to lynch scott and not disformation, and when he is confronted with a reasonable arguement, that invalidates this arguement (my post that those votes may very well have been preplanned), his reaction is "lol you know, what mafia says in their qt? you are mafia!"
Why are you putting scum on me for that its true? Like you cant even this fact wtf
It's literally in the next paragraph...
You either suck at reading and miss, that i am not suspecting you, because you are tryharding to paint yourself green but because of the way you argue about it, or you just want to missunderstand and not answer to the intended point of this paragraph, saying you look shit for having double-standarts and only are paranoid / think critical, when it fits your agenda.
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On May 26 2015 21:53 sicklucker wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2015 21:51 Barakos wrote:On May 26 2015 21:44 sicklucker wrote:
"Other things I don't like about his spammy, mostly oneliner-filter:
He trys to paint himself in a towny light with the most absurd reasons, like the votecount for example.
He puts himself in the spot of a town hero by saying it was his vote and him persuading batsnacks to vote scott that finally swung the vote to lynch scott and not disformation, and when he is confronted with a reasonable arguement, that invalidates this arguement (my post that those votes may very well have been preplanned), his reaction is "lol you know, what mafia says in their qt? you are mafia!"
Why are you putting scum on me for that its true? Like you cant even this fact wtf It's literally in the next paragraph... You either suck at reading and miss, that i am not suspecting you, because you are tryharding to paint yourself green but because of the way you argue about it, or you just want to missunderstand and not answer to the intended point of this paragraph, saying you look shit for having double-standarts and only are paranoid / think critical, when it fits your agenda. Your specifically arguing that being the 4th vote on a mafia does not suggest im town in the slightest.
No, i am arguing that the votes can't be interpreted at all, since the chance, that mafia made a plan about the votes is way too high, because it looks like scott gave up a few hours into the game and that your arguement against this is "lol, you know, what mafia said in ther qt? you scum!"
But well... guess, that confirms that you suck at reading.
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On May 26 2015 22:14 disformation wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2015 21:25 Barakos wrote:
Since sl and bunnies aren't around:
Why do you think rels was killed, disfo? Well, Rels was super obv. town and as thus was pretty much universally read as town. He was also quite active in trying to solve the game. So if he would have done a solid push on a mafia, a lot of people would have found that credible. So: 1) Hard to gain information from the kill, since he was "obvious" town. 2) Potentially dangerous for mafia. = good target for mafia.
Yeah, i agree with you on this... so what do you make out of this post?
On May 25 2015 08:35 sicklucker wrote:
also that nk was so bad. lol mafia
(nitpicking sl a bit here...)
that's also one of the posts I found out of place, when I reread, since killing rels made totally sense out of my point of view.
Is this SL trying to diminish rels' legacy by saying the kill was bad.
Also rels' main lynch-candidates were sl, bm and plotspot (plotspot didn't make his "would lynch" list after the first analysing-post but returned shortly before EoN1)... he stuck to them pretty much all game long.
Given this and the fact that rels would have many followers, had he tried to lynch someone from this list, I think there is a good chance mafia tried to shut him up. So - wouldn't it be good, to keep the lynches in those 3 (sl, bm, plot)?
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On May 26 2015 22:20 boxerfred wrote:
This game took a turn for the worse by now, arguing whether a role is in or not should not be an issue IMHO.
As batsnacks and I said - stop talking about sk please and focus on important stuff.
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@ bats, could you answer regarding my question about the sl case?
For example the part about him hunting roles... you tell boxerfred, that rolespeculations are bad and help mafia, yet you seem to ignore it, when sl does it.
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