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Rereading what Bara posted earlier.
On May 29 2015 20:14 Barakos wrote:
Why are you working so hard on not lynching sulfurus?
Lynching plots would mean, lynching an confirmed rb on the off chance, there are 2 scum-rbs vs a single town-cop... sounds not convincing.
Lynching bunnies means lynching into a green-check on the 1/6-chance that there is a godfather between all the claimed vt and bunnies is the gf
Lynching sulfurus is a 2/4 scum, if you believe both greenchecks, 1/4 if you believe one of bunnies/me is the gf.
He's pretty convinced that 2 RB on scum side is a unbelievable setup. He's also just willing to just sheep bats without telling us why he doesn't focus on his real scum reads.
This is interesting to me since the RB claim he made is his biggest reason for being Townread atm. Thus plots being Town RB is his only major lag to stand on for town cred here.
Also reminds me of this point which I didn't believe before, but now I'm reconsidering.
On May 29 2015 11:38 Tictock wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2015 08:45 plotspot wrote:
Ok let's just say this was the case, at that time when Breshke was killed, wouldn't that mean I'd not better RB the kill target like scum usually does, so how does Barakos get to be the target? This is like implying Barakos is scum coming out pretending to have been the target. That's kind of a stretch isn't it? We then already know that Barakos is the GF because he was already copchecked by bats.
Looking at this do you still think I am Mafia RB? only possible if Barakos is GF. Would I as mafia point it out like this, or would I'd rather hide it?
The most plausible thing is that I'm am Town RB, not Mafia RB neither in case that town had also a Town RB as well as do not have a Town RB? Did I not consider anything?
@ Plots First the bolded question is one that I already posed to you, and is still one that you as Town RB need to answer in depth. Why did you think Bara was scum and block him? You've posted town or null reads on him before and after N2, so what did he do to make you think you had better block him? You also seem to suggest that Bara is potentially the GF here. Is that what you were thinking? You didn't like the green check on Bara so you figuered he was the Mafia GF and blocked him?
Someone tell me if I'm getting too WIFOM here.
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Like that would suggest That the whole notion of a RB here is false.
Is Cop + Masons vs RB, Goon, GF that wierd?
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Last thought before I go away.
Nobody claimed RB until N2.
This was well after I started an unhealthy discussion regarding setup speculation.
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On May 29 2015 22:06 Barakos wrote:
That would mean plots fakeclaimed having been rb'ed during N1.
Incorrect!
On May 27 2015 07:34 plotspot wrote:
Okay, maybe it’s time we talk about this now. I have received a visit from the RB on N1.
I have no idea who did this but, it must be someone who thought I might be scum and checked on it with his night action on N1. Who the hell might do that?
Was posted N2. Here is the Link
The rest of your post was based on this assertion so I disregard.
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@Plots
You've still never told us why you, as Town RB role blocked Bara N2
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On May 29 2015 22:12 Tictock wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2015 22:06 Barakos wrote:
That would mean plots fakeclaimed having been rb'ed during N1.
Incorrect! Show nested quote +On May 27 2015 07:34 plotspot wrote:
Okay, maybe it’s time we talk about this now. I have received a visit from the RB on N1.
I have no idea who did this but, it must be someone who thought I might be scum and checked on it with his night action on N1. Who the hell might do that?
Was posted N2. Here is the LinkThe rest of your post was based on this assertion so I disregard.
Sorry this was a terrible post. I checked in during a dull moment in an otherwise great TvZ and misread the quote from Bara.
So EBWOP?
Correct!
QUOTE!
This also leads me to believe that you Bara are joining in with the fake claims to mislead town into thinking there is a 2nd Roleblocker this game.
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@Plots
On May 29 2015 22:12 plotspot wrote:
No Tictock. You keep saying I’m the Mafia RB as a reason why you vote me. Then explain to me this?
Why do I as Mafia RB block Barakos and not Breshke on N2, when I did block Rels on N1?
Why do I as Mafia RB reveal to town that there is an RB, when Mafia is benefits more from keeping stuff like this hidden?
Why do I as Mafia RB point out to you that the only way it is possible for me to be Mafia RB is if it leads town directly to my scumpartner, when I’m playing to win and not to lose?
Yes, I admit I was wrong. Once again. You are in fact the Goon correct?
You tried to invent a Town RB role by claiming yourself that you were RB's N1. This was after I had started speculation in thread that we COULD be playing an unusual setup for a newbie game by saying stuff about an SK.
So:
-You needed Bara to claim he was RB'd as well to solidify your claim
-You "reveal" it to confuse town and setup towncred for you and your scumbuddie
-Just one person claiming RB is really stupid, the two of you can both get towncred and invent a role to confuse town
You really need to give some better reasons why you as Town RB would block Bara.
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27nb
Really? you just don't care?
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I'm pretty sure on this.
I know I can at least walk through plots filter and explain what scum!plots is thinking the whole game at this point.
Bara I'd need to totally reread his filter. So Dis if you could focus him please?
##Vote: plotspot
He flips mafia goon, then we the the GF next. Ok boys?
Clearly everyone here just likes to sheep.
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@ Dis
Notice any shifts in Bara's attitude when lynching inactives?
@Plots
You still haven't answered the question I've posed to you like 10 times now.
As Town RB. Why would you RB Bara on N2?
On May 28 2015 22:48 plotspot wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2015 22:37 Tictock wrote:
I notice SL and Dis are expecting me to claim mason. Honestly though, I feel like if I were a role wouldn't I be in the best position to not claim? Like most people are reading me as town anyway, if I were to claim a role it wouldn't really narrow things down at the moment.
I would have held to this thinking as well, but once the role speculation started to get too out of hand I realized it was in fact doing town more harm than good. And thanks to a thing known as "a flip" Bre is in fact the only confirmed blue role at this moment in the game. It's up to town to decide if the people claiming roles have been acting in line with that role, and to sniff out any fake claims that have inconsistencies. I think he still missed my question.
PLOTSPOT!!What was your reasoning RBing him in the first place? The "him" = Barakos I couldn't read him that well. While I said he was town earlier, I had my doubts internally and not published. I wonder why batsnacks thought the same?
That was not a good answer.
@Everyone
Mafia 100% kills Bats tonight to prevent any future checks.
Plots is my vote today because I find him to be the scummiest person here today. Regardless of my theories regarding Bara.
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On May 30 2015 01:33 plotspot wrote:ok, no problem: Show nested quote +On May 26 2015 07:47 plotspot wrote:Barakos: feels genuine. I believe what he says. He has an alerting but inoffensive way of expressing himself and most (if not all) his posts I can say: “hmm yeah I see the meaning behind it”. A possibly strange point which reinforce my town read on him is that he fantasizes about how scum QT looks like here. For me it’s hard to imagine scum would do that, I mean just for the thought of it at all. But here we have a townie imagining how things went in the scum QT and scott’s case is really a strange one, that leaves me wondering whether he betrayed his mates or whether they knew he had some time issues and just deal with it somehow. Show nested quote +On May 27 2015 17:09 Barakos wrote:On May 27 2015 16:59 boxerfred wrote:
Barakos, if you're so worried about not lynching inactives, why didn't you push on someone more actively and stayed in your lurker role? I did? I made a case against disformation, who was the other wagon D1 and I gave plenty reason to vote SL day two at the time, when the wagons were bunnies and sl. Then I returned to a thread, where all the votes were gone from SL and the wagons were BM and 27nb and when people were talking about doing voteswitches to sulfurus, I once again tried and said i would highly prefer a SL-lynch. @SL: game was disney princess mafia... http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/464494-newbie-lviii-disney-princess-mafia After I skimmed through the game Barakos posted, I realize that my read on him earlier is not good anymore. It was based on mostly his tone. In the link he posted where he wins as the last remaining mafia, he clearly shows an impressive deceiving style, while I felt he has the same tone as here. That’s the reason that made me reconsider the situation, although I didn’t post about it in the thread before I RBed him.
So plots, you also agree it's odd that Bara was saying we shouldn't lynch inactives D1 when it was scott up for lynch, but D2 he was fine with BM?
Also he is pretty happy sheeping bats to lynch inactive Sul today.
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@ Bats
I think RB is invented and he's goon, catchup please
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Hole crap do I have to keep spelling this out for everyone?
Plots is Mafia Goon. Bara is GF
He was willing to play so crazy today because between the check from bats and his invented RB stuff, which we only have word of through plots and Bara, would give Bara plenty of towncred to ride out much of the game. Especially when Town is so willing to sit around lynching people not talking much.
These 2 people are the only ones saying I made some crazy defense of Sul here, when it's at best a null read.
They are also the only 2 clinging to this RB role, since it's what their towncred relies on.
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I know I have a tendency to go crazy WIFOM, and I was the one who started to suggest weird setups.
This makes sense though. Town should at least be able to agree that plots looks just as bad is not worse than Sul or 27nb and be willing to hear me out for one day.
I really don't want to lynch an inactive AGAIN over other decent targets.
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On May 30 2015 01:49 batsnacks wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2015 01:47 Tictock wrote:Hole crap do I have to keep spelling this out for everyone? Plots is Mafia Goon. Bara is GF He was willing to play so crazy today because between the check from bats and his invented RB stuff, which we only have word of through plots and Bara, would give Bara plenty of towncred to ride out much of the game. Especially when Town is so willing to sit around lynching people not talking much. These 2 people are the only ones saying I made some crazy defense of Sul here, when it's at best a null read. They are also the only 2 clinging to this RB role, since it's what their towncred relies on. Dude, listen. Tonight force plot to roleblock you. If he doesn't obey, lynch him. Problem solved.
I realize this is an option, but why not him today then asses Sul or 27nb tomorrow?
I'd rather maximize our chance of catching Scum today.
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@ Bara
I didn't believe plots RB claim long before I thought you could be his scum partner.
I'm staying true to what I posted here.
On May 29 2015 18:58 Tictock wrote:So Town has about 17hours left to reach a conclusion for today. The most important thing for Town to keep in mind: Scum needs Town to Mislynch 3 times to WinRight now there are votes on 3 people Sulfurus 27ninjabunnies plotspot At this point I can't imagine anyone holding onto a case on somebody not in that list. So Town needs to really think and consider, which of these 3 players is most likely scum? While some speculation on setup is fine, we should avoid trying to assume too much. We have a solid clue to the setup, one Scum RB, and one Mason have been flipped. Then we have 3 more blue roles for town being claimed today; 2nd Mason, Town RB, and Cop. Focus on these claims. The balance of the setup is a secondary concern here. Leaving my own Opinion like this, because I think what I said above is so much more important than my opinion. + Show Spoiler +Personally I am fine lynching either plotspot or 27nb today. Plotspot is my top choice because everything he has done today has caused confusion and his logic in suggesting people matches with scum goals. First I find his assertion that town has all 3 is odd. A setup like he suggests COULD be possible, but it doesn't really make sense when you break it down like Dis did here. Even considering this setup, it means that the cop checks are suspect due to the high likelyhood of GF on the mafia team. Yet plots reaches the same conclusion that Sul is scum regardless of the cop checks being possibly invalidated. Plots reads on Bara are important to his claim as Town RB. We also only have his word, and his post-morteum scum read on Rels to backup his first claim as RB. Neither of these hold up his claim on RB in my opinion. Thus I can only conclude that this is a fake claim. He is also consistently offering plans of action that involve 2 kills. He says, If Sulfurus flips green feel free to lynch me next, because obviously then I haven't got the game solved and wasted all your time. Do we have a deal? then he says Looking at this do you still think I am Mafia RB? only possible if Barakos is GF. He also only swaps to these tactics after his attempted, whatever the hell, on me fails and he can't push Sulf and I as a scum team. This type of thinking lines up with scum goals, trying to get a mislynch any way he can. 27nb had a full day phase of pressure to answer the questions and concerns people had about her. She showed up about 8 Hours before EoD and offered up BM as a better target. She has since stayed reclusive and not weighed in, not voted yet today. Her vote D1 was not on the wagon that got us one Scum RB, D2 her vote was to save her own skin. Now it looks like D3 she wants to wait till EoD again. 27nb is also doing the same thing as plots, offering no real plan of action or very well reasoned vote. She seems to be happy just randomly lynching her lowest 4 town reads. On May 28 2015 13:53 27ninjabunnies wrote:
People We are not lynching:
Ticktock
Bats
Barakos
MAybe SL?
Me
People we lynch
Everyone else.
GG Town wins Regardless of if they are a team or not. Plots and 27nb are Easily my top 2 scum. We should at least lynch one of them today and re-evaluate tomorrow. Sul just doesn't seem to care. I don't like it, he might be scum for it... but that was also the line of thought that lead to the BM lynch. I have better reasons to lynch either plots or 27nb today. I could be wrong about plots, honestly his stuff is like way over the top and draws so much attention to it. If he is scum the whole thing is pretty Yolo swag and is based on the idea that town would never lynch someone claiming a blue role. To me the notion of him being Town RB doesn't make much sense, it doesn't sound like a balanced setup for town to have Masons, Cop, and RB. Plots claim also looks pretty flimsy when you start poking at it. I really tried to poke at the guy to get good reasoning why he would have RB'd Bara, at the time of this post he has only explained it here. In the world where plots is town, I have no choice but to return my vote to 27nb. While I believe bats claim, if the setup is how plots claims then GF is def a possibility and the greencheck on bunnies is not confirmed.
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Honestly town can do whatever it wants.
I'm not sheeping this weak as hell case on Sul. I'm more convinced 27nb just doesn't care at this point.
I could be way out in WIFOM land but at least I'm trying.
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I'm so disappointing in Town. That EoD was embarrassing to see, everyone waffling hard kus nobody bothered to think through their votes ahead of time.
so is anyone going to make a case on SL now?
That quote epitomizes towns thinking to me right now.
Do you guys remember the one thing I was REALLY pushing for yesterday?
Hint: it wasn't a lynch on plots
+ Show Spoiler +It was critical thinking and good reasoning over why we were going to lynch someone
Town deserves to lose this game IMO.
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I'm interested to see what plots does with his "RB" here.
I've got a fairly good idea what I would do in his shoes, but speculating on it now does town no good.
That's all from me, I'm too disappointed in people to keep playing right now.
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Ok guys, I know you thought Crazy Tunneltoc had finally given up and was sulking somewhere in defeat or something. But you can never vanquish the Tunneltoc! I'm back and ready to blow your minds.
I have no way to prove this, so it's really just for my own amusement, but I prepared these posts with the intent on putting them up more or less after D4 starts.
Some predictions: + Show Spoiler +
-plots and Bara have been pointing fingers at me for having given up since my "plot" (get it) didn't work
-prob some accusations that I'm not even a Mason and that Bre was solo
-plots RB was on Bats or myself, really it could be anyone though. I'm pretty sure plots RBs the kill target here, but really all plots has to do here is say that the person he RB'd is scum when they say they weren't
-Idea is to have the whole D4 revolve around this argument. Remember, it doesn't matter if plots gets lynched as long as it happens in such a way to secure towncred for Bara
Obv scum killed Bats. If they killed anyone else it was to protect plots RB claim. Can't see them leaving bats though, I'm sure he was trying to check plots N3 and they can't have that.
Honestly I can't imagine town staying fooled by this after I pointed everything out before EoD, but I'd rather not drag things out anymore. So here I am unveiling my case. This will be a multi-post case, so be warned. I may leave a summary post depending on how long this gets or how motivated I stay.
Main Points
-Plots is scum. This is a short version of my scumread on him, but I'll expand on it.+ Show Spoiler +He's been Tryharding this whole game but never brings anything of worth to the game. D1 it's all the graphics. D2 defending SL from Me and getting all buddy buddy. He also blows up over nothing (claims I misunderstood a post) attacking my reading ability & fabricating all sorts of ways I'm not reading him right. He does all that instead of restating his thoughts like I ask him to. D3 total tunnel on me, is 100% convinced he can make me look like shit kus he doesn't think I'm mason (for some reason he's really sure he picked up Mason on BF). When that doesn't work he falls back on Sul but keeps pushing me.
-Plots fabricates a 2nd RB role. He uses my own mistake of bringing up setup speculation to his teams advantage.
-Setup is really RB, Goon, GF vs Masons(2) & Cop. This is a balanced setup and perfectly normal in a newbie game.
-This RB invention isn't a solid idea until D2, which is why plots claims it then to "soft claim" his role.
-Bara has to be N2 RB so that they can push this idea, AND! it gives them both instant towncred enough to force town to mislynch D3.
-Scum plan going forward is to have Plots keep sticking his neck out and causing as much confusion as possible. Plots is expendable as long as he creates a good smokescreen for Bara. While Bara is safe to hold back and blend. At this point Bara can just keep sheeping town like he did D3, his cred is that solid as long as there isn't anyone crazy enough to thing a blue claim could be false and push it...
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