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above TUI THE JOYOUS, LAKE below CHêN THE AROUSING, THUNDER The trigram Tui, the Joyous, whose attribute is gladness, is above; Chên, the Arousing, which has the attribute of movement, is below. Joy in movement induces following. The Joyous is the youngest daughter, while the Arousing is the eldest son. An older man defers to a young girl and shows her consideration. By this he moves her to follow him. THE JUDGMENT FOLLOWING has supreme success. Perseverance furthers. No blame. In order to obtain a following one must first know how to adapt oneself. If a man would rule he must first learn to serve, for only in this way does he secure from those below him the joyous assent that is necessary if they are to follow him. If he has to obtain a following by force or cunning, by conspiracy or by creating faction, he invariably arouses resistance, which obstructs willing adherence. But even joyous movement can lead to evil consequences, hence the added stipulation, "Perseverance furthers" --that is, consistency in doing right-- together with "No blame." Just as we should not ask others to follow us unless this condition is fulfilled, so it is only under this condition that we can in turn follow others without coming to harm. The thought of obtaining a following through adaptation to the demands of the time is a great and significant idea; this is why the appended judgment is so favorable. THE IMAGE Thunder in the middle of the lake: The image of FOLLOWING. Thus the superior man at nightfall Goes indoors for rest and recuperation. In the autumn electricity withdraws into the earth again and rests. Here it is the thunder in the middle of the lake that serves as the image--thunder in its winter rest, not thunder in motion. The idea of following in the sense of adaptation to the demands of the time grows out of this image. Thunder in the middle of the lake indicates times of darkness and rest. Similarly, a superior man, after being tirelessly active all day, allows himself rest and recuperation at night. No situation can become favorable until one is able to adapt to it and does not wear himself out with mistaken resistance. THE LINES °Nine at the beginning means: The standard is changing. Perseverance brings good fortune. To go out of the door in company Produces deeds. There are exceptional conditions in which the relation between leader and followers changes. It is implicit in the idea of following and adaptation that if one wants to lead others, one must remain accessible and responsive to the views of those under him. At the same time, however, he must have firm principles, so that he does not vacillate where there is only a question of current opinion. Once we are ready to listen to the opinions of others, we must not associate exclusively with people who share our views or with members of our own party; instead, we must go out and mingle freely with all sorts of people, friends or foes. That is the only way to achieve something. °Nine in the fifth place means: Sincere in the good. Good fortune. Every man must have something he follows--something that serves him as a lodestar. He who follows with conviction the beautiful and the good may feel himself strengthened by this saying. °Six at the top means: He meets with firm allegiance And is still further bound. The king introduces him To the Western Mountain. This refers to a man, an exalted sage, who has already put the turmoil of the world behind him. But a follower appears who understands him and is not to be put off. So the sage comes back into the world and aids the other in his work. Thus there develops an eternal tie between the two. The allegory is chosen from the annals of the Chou dynasty. The rulers of this dynasty honored men who had served them well by awarding them a place in the royal family's temple of ancestors on the Western Mountain. In this way they were regarded as sharing in the destiny of the ruling family. | ||
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On May 10 2015 11:11 Bill Murray wrote: Hey guys. This is going to be tremendous fun. With a group of players this good, I know that I will be improving my play. I don't care to give some general questions for everyone as well. 1) How do you rate yourself in terms of your play? 2) How do you rate others in terms of their play? 3) What would you change about your play? This question format is no good. You should always go with a 1-5 scale with 1 being "Strongly Disagree" and 5 being "Strongly Agree." Statistical analysis is much easier when you use a scale. Try this: 1) I rate myself highly in terms of my play 1 Strongly Disagree 2 Disagree 3 Neutral 4 Agree 5 Strongly Agree 2) I rate others in this game highly in terms of their play. 1 Strongly Disagree 2 Disagree 3 Neutral 4 Agree 5 Strongly Agree 3) There are things I would change about my play. 1 Strongly Disagree 2 Disagree 3 Neutral 4 Agree 5 Strongly Agree | ||
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On May 10 2015 11:16 batsnacks wrote: This question format is no good. You should always go with a 1-5 scale with 1 being "Strongly Disagree" and 5 being "Strongly Agree." Statistical analysis is much easier when you use a scale. Try this: 1) I rate myself highly in terms of my play 1 Strongly Disagree 2 Disagree 3 Neutral 4 Agree 5 Strongly Agree 2) I rate others in this game highly in terms of their play. 1 Strongly Disagree 2 Disagree 3 Neutral 4 Agree 5 Strongly Agree 3) There are things I would change about my play. 1 Strongly Disagree 2 Disagree 3 Neutral 4 Agree 5 Strongly Agree Like how are you supposed to know that e.g. LightningStrike's opinion of his play is a full standard deviation higher that batsnack's opinion of his play unless you use a scale. | ||
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On May 12 2015 06:15 Inspector Javert wrote: I'm good with this list. Would add Oats to it. This is me sorry smurf post. I swear I am never smurfing again once a certain game is over. | ||
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I found probable mafia. Unfortunately I can't explain it without claiming. It's weird though because sandroba did nothing last game as mafia and now he's talking a lot. | ||
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On May 14 2015 01:41 VisceraEyes wrote: By all means! Nothing else you're doing is convincing me of anything! If you're town I strongly suggest you focus on something else for a while... At the very least until you can vote me  | ||
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oats jat rsoultin | ||
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On May 14 2015 10:49 GlowingBear wrote: I won't shoot you now oats. Convince me I shouldn't shoot you, because if you don't, I'll do it tomorrow I might as well be a cop with 4 checks d1. Don't shoot oats. | ||
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On May 14 2015 10:55 Half the Sky wrote: 8/60 Is there anyone you recommend he shoots? VE can't be a bad shot statistically speaking... I'm not really sure yet. Seriously though do not shoot RS, JAT, or oats. | ||
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On May 14 2015 11:03 Half the Sky wrote: 9/60 Right now, the only one who would fall under the complete lurker category is ROL. (In case you missed it, Stutters claimed the vig shot on Palmar.) Onegu is someone I can't figure out right now. LS is 50/50, I have a scumlean on him. In any case, waiting until tomorrow for sure makes complete sense. I can understand the argument to eliminate a lurker and I certainly won't lose the plot if that's what happened, but I'd really prefer to hit someone that is a most likely scum. You never answered me do you scum read me? | ||
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On May 14 2015 11:12 TalkingDead wrote: You're a better shot than either of those two. Have you read my filter? | ||
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On May 14 2015 11:12 Half the Sky wrote: 11/60 Are you not reading the thread? I claimed on the last page. If I'm missing something, call me out on it. It's after 3am so I'm out for the night, but I'll do some filter diving so I can help get the best possible shot off tomorrow morning. (And no Bats, do not be paranoid, I am not going to advocate shooting you.) List of people GB shouldn't shoot: oats jat rs HTS | ||
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TalkingDead and VE are both great high risk/reward targets and oats, jat, rs, and HTS are town. | ||
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On May 14 2015 22:54 VisceraEyes wrote: You're just forgettable in general. We can lynch you if you want though. ^^ You found a scummy, forgettable person that refuses to cooperate with you. Why does it matter what I want? | ||
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Oats Rsoultin Jat | ||
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On May 15 2015 01:33 justanothertownie wrote: Well, I guess you were not very convincing then, lol. How did you not realize she was town you're both the same role? | ||
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Your role = rsoultin's role Why do you think I know you're town and no one else does? You think I'm lying about this? | ||
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Can we please not kill oats at least? That would be great. | ||
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WAS IT AN ITEM or no? Pls just answer. | ||
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Are you a vt who received an item? | ||
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What was the thing I said d1 that made you not want to lynch me I was in your no lynch list? | ||
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So are you really the emperor and did you really start the game with a sword or were you just being silly? | ||
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On May 15 2015 02:24 Onegu wrote: Pleb means he is VT. Im a Pleb also. This would have worked so much better if jat had waited till AFTER my lunch break to shoot rs. | ||
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On May 11 2015 23:46 Oatsmaster wrote: not shit tier? What are you even doing this game bats. | ||
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##vote VE | ||
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On May 15 2015 03:07 justanothertownie wrote: Dude. You pardoned fucking bill murray. And now you attack VE for this perfectly fine shot. Didn't you object to an onegu lynch like 10 minutes ago? | ||
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Oh yeah I forgot. Disregard me. | ||
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On May 15 2015 03:22 yamato77 wrote: Post a single reads post and then stop playing. If you feel the need, update it before you die. Otherwise, you're just fucking mafia shitting up the thread. I don't like the cut of your jib, friend. Jat is town anyway. | ||
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On May 15 2015 03:30 GlowingBear wrote: HOW THE FUCK ARE YOU GETTING THOSE READS PLEASE ENLIGHTEN ME BECAUSE I FUCKING THOUGHT YOU WERE CORONER AND CHECKED OATS ROLE AND I TOOK A STEP BACK INSTEAD OF SHOOTING HIM ARGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGH I've already said it like four times I can check alignments. Jat is going to flip VT. When he does, you can trust me about oats. | ||
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Basically I claimed vt subtly and Jat, rs, and oats picked up on it immediately. I think this was early enough in the game that mafia wouldn't have asked for fakes yet. VE, yamato, BH, LS, and you (GB) all blatantly missed it so you're all most likely either blues or mafia. Sandro also picked up on it btw but I missed it because I wasn't reading and was afk at eod. So voting Sandro was a mistake. | ||
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My ideas are the greatest :D | ||
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Brother I just said I missed when he said he picked up on my claim and that it was a mistake. | ||
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On May 15 2015 04:58 yamato77 wrote: also, JAT is blatantly NOT a fucking VT and is also clearly mafia, so your way of clearing people is also shit GJ bluehunting though, I'm impressed. Yeah I mean I didn't really think this through very carefully but I still want to believe I'm right about Jat, rs, and oats. This strat might work better as mafia though admittedly. | ||
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Plus the pleb thing even though that's not really a thing I guess. VE though gave reasons why I was mafia last night, I told him to do something else till today and he never revisited it despite me never cooperating. I think he was mafia looking for an easy target to either mslynch or shoot but after the huge scene I made changed his mind. | ||
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Whats the case on marv too? Is it because he called palmar useless instead of scummy? | ||
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Oats isn't mafia I think. KSC's post was really bullshit-y. Like why is KSC confused and then uses his confusion to justify scumreading popular scummy people "just because of how they're playing" even though oats specifically plays this way every game? That's like that scene in Idiocracy where the prosecutor says "well first of all judge, just look at him! LOL" | ||
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On May 16 2015 02:33 KelsierSC wrote: I already gave reasons why I scumread the people I put on my list. Writing it again because you are too lazy to read filters seemed a waste. Yeah but how many times do you have to emphasize you're so confused/no idea what's going on/totally lost and then IGNORING ALL THAT SHIT these people are mafia. | ||
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On May 16 2015 06:23 Stutters695 wrote: Anyway, I'll humor your ridiculous thought for a second. I had missed the d1 vote and really hadn't done shit so I decided to shoot n1 rather than get myself involved in the d2 pool and potentially waste a day. I'd rather die at night than waste a lynch. Originally I wanted to shoot BH/Trfel to try and shed some light on the nuke fiasco but when I was reading through I saw VE/Droba/Marv all had Palmar as scummy. Reading his filter I was eh about it, but I respect their reads and Droba's post that implied Palmar might not be scum, but 3p sealed the deal since either way, as long as I don't hit town I live. Thus it seemed like a safe shot and even if I missed would generate info. Anyway, last post on that, I'm done with that topic. If you can't see how obviously town I am, that's on you. This doesn't make sense to me though. How does shooting n1 keep you from getting involved in the d2 pool and why would you ever be dying at night? Also I don't think marv had palmar as scum unless he said that outside the thread. The worst thing marv said about palmar that I saw was that he was "useless when he's like this." | ||
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On May 16 2015 06:36 Stutters695 wrote: Because of my role. Jesus Christ you guys are dense. I shot Palmar. If he was town, I'm dead. If I'm not dead, I shot a mafia and thus lynching me would be real retarded d2. Don't get your breeches in a bunch. You were the one that decided to humor the ridiculous thought in the first place. | ||
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On May 16 2015 08:19 ObiWanShinobi wrote: If we don't lynch onegu then what do we do? Sheep me. What could possibly go wrong? :^) | ||
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