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SKILLED AND ACTIVE PLAYERS Now emphasised. This is clearly an invite for me | ||
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On May 05 2015 20:14 marvellosity wrote: can we get a playerlist up? I wanna know if I wanna play You could /in so Ver can work with a better list and then you decide if you out or not That's what I'm doing, anyway | ||
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On May 07 2015 13:16 GlowingBear wrote: /out Nevermind, I can overcome my grudge with inactives I just would love if oats could promise he will actually play this game /in again | ||
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Cool!! I have high expectations for this game | ||
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On May 08 2015 02:14 Damdred wrote: can i be really lazy this game or am i required to do things Unless we roll Mafia together again, you'll have a bad time. | ||
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HF didn't in yet | ||
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On May 08 2015 13:32 Bill Murray wrote: HF is overrated Not after game of thrones Mafia | ||
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I think you should all bow to me | ||
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On May 09 2015 01:47 marvellosity wrote: no, no. no. Yeah, yeah. Yeah! | ||
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What a lost opportunity | ||
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I'm John Travolta! Yamato and HTS are Mafia. | ||
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On May 10 2015 11:38 batsnacks wrote: Oats is probably a 3rd party day mason with a 1 shot cop check based on his first post. Good sarcasm. 10/10 Townsnacks | ||
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.: Preliminary Reads so Far 1)Rasputin + Show Spoiler + On May 10 2015 09:04 rsoultin wrote: 1! hay naku o.0 necesito usar los numeros como prp, ja? es mejor lol hi ^^ yay for game finally starting lol so much hype! \o/ towniest town who ever towned por supuesto, who is the next towniest? Null opening, not alignment indicative. Alignment-null so far. Then she posts this: + Show Spoiler + On May 10 2015 09:43 rsoultin wrote: 2! ay! but don't you want to be the same alignment as me? since you think i can suss you out 100% of the time? lol mmmm happy dance doesn't seem too happy town here. stop. again. stop. then happy dance? i dunnae hts we may be on opposing sides again :/ lol yeah? oh damn, you caught me xP shoulda read my pm! (the role changes how towny i am, does it? xP such odd ideas you have, ksc) hmmm try hard right from the start, ja? pero i don't know why you'd want to waste a post on saying my role pm changes my level of towniness, any more than why ls would waste a post saying hi before commenting on a geript student V style posting strategy one post and i'm already your favorite person, net hubby? lol >< that's awfully quick, no? what makes you think so? (besides me saying so ) Yamato-kun! how happy are you today? lol...finally ending that scum streak maybe? Contrivutive with good reactions. Post style seems fluid. Town. 2)Onegu + Show Spoiler + On May 10 2015 09:05 Onegu wrote: Im Town GRUMBLE GRUMBLE... My previous 46% is taking a hit. Im not happy about this one bit... Argh, people upset because they roll town gives me yikes... Could be scum. For stupid gut reading, I think he rolled third party. And uses one post to say nothing about bats opening. Looks like scum. 3)HtS + Show Spoiler + On May 10 2015 09:12 Half the Sky wrote: 1/10 Town here. Again. *happy dance* Excited for this game, particularly with some of the possible roles I've not seen yet in normal games (puppeteer, dreamflower, pardoner, nuker etc). I have problems with openings that talks about game mechanics because it feels, everytime, that is a Mafia with trouble doing an opening and therefore going to the easy and unproductive talk. Leaning scum on her. 4)Kelsen Null opening. Commenting on something already dropped in the thread it's an easy out for Mafia but the joke made me have a townish gut read on him. A negative read + a positive read = null FUCK YEAH MATHMATEKS. Then he calls LS out for legit reasons. Townread. 5)Damdred I already know he is mafia because SICK READS (TM) Saying Rasputin is town for her opening is odd, there is nothing alignment indicative in there, so bad opening. 6)LS Posts two posts to say he will resort on consolidated posts. Lol I'm tempted to call him Mafia for that but I can see it coming from both alignments... Argh. 7)Yamato Meh, something about his excitement felt fabricated to me, so I leaned scum on him based on gut read. But re reading it shows me I was being picky. Null at most. 8)batsnacks I hate his opening. Just realised it came from him. And... | ||
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On May 10 2015 12:36 yamato77 wrote: Tina Damdy Kels Truffle Bill LS HTS Oats batsnacks Onegu glowingbear Awesome list Best suited for colourblind people | ||
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Damdred is always Mafia this game. Already. Summarising why: townreads me for having a bad read on yamato, but says nothing about yamato being town. Says HTS is town but does not say that my scumread on her is bad. Has weird instant townreads, specially on people he knows he can't have a good read this early (Rasputin's scum and town play are very similar, and he knows my reads can be bad as both town as Mafia after the latest games we played together, he can't have a town OR scumread based on that) And VE, I didn't mean to make an associative read out of onegu's and bats interaction. I just meant that (1) Bats wasting a post on a limited post count is ridiculous + Onegu wasting a post on a waste of post without pointing anything out of it, just commenting and saying "I don't know what is going on" is even worse of a waste post. A waste post at this time is Mafia ish IMO. It's being active without actually contributing, best Mafia behaviour for such safe phase for Mafia as night 0 | ||
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I'm at a family reunion (mother's day), so not reading properly yet. I've skimmed the thread and saw people calling me scum for posting a list, which they call it weird. I want to know (1) what is weird on it and (2) what's is mafiaish in it. JAT and Marv are underwhelming. Mafia please shoot one of them if they're town so I don't have to think about them. | ||
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Lol Rayn is Mafia I mean, TalkingDead | ||
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On May 11 2015 04:43 justanothertownie wrote: I don't understand the rayn read and the mafia read for this post I understand even less. (9/10) TalkingDead sounds like try harding Rayn. TalkingDead jumps Damdred one time and says he will talk about Damdred another time because the post is already too big. He deliberately puts Damdred aside. Two times. But he found things interesting in my interaction with him. Drafts points regarding me but does not drafts points regarding Damdred. How can he assume we are town VS town, argue that in his post, but does not analyse on of his town reads? Then, if he is saying that he wants to give reasons on Damdred LATER, he can't scumread me for not commenting on Truffle since I clearly stated that I was reading the thread chronologically and stopped analysing people in the middle of it. | ||
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On May 11 2015 05:59 sandroba wrote: @LS this post was by talkinghead if you cared to read, but maybe my formating is not the best. Anyone who read it will know that I'm very suspicious of both TD and damdred. I didn't say anything about GB in my posts but if you must know I think GB is town. | ||
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Anyway I've already out of posts so I'll be waiting for dawn | ||
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Of course they already a qt. They just don't have the roles yet. WTF BH | ||
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Setup Information Semi-Closed Setup Alignment-only flip with 2 exceptions (Janitor/Day Vigi) Mafia receive a pool of roles to select from pre-game. Mafia KP is #Mafia/2 rounded up. Cannot ever be 3. Plurality Lynch PMs: Maybe (up to you, see poll below) Replacements: Yes. If you don’t make the player list you go on replacement list. Time Cycle: 48/24, Deadline at TBA I'm confused then | ||
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How can Mafia receive a pool of roles if they only receive "Mafia"? | ||
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On May 11 2015 09:47 Half the Sky wrote: 1/60 Catching up a little bit before I go to bed since it's late here. I want to draw attention to some of GB's comments. He's advocating to shoot either of JAT or Marv, and then he thinks veterans are afraid to be the n0 kill. GB, where exactly do you stand on JAT/Marv (or any of the veterans not posting)? And why? Also I was scumreading you not for your list post but your reaction to Yamato's post. You commented "awesome" post - when there were a few red flags, and the fact that he coloured you red. Do you have any thoughts on Yamato? The reaction was a joke. That's why it was best suited to colourblind people. I have no reads from them. I expected more contribution from them. I thought they were afraid for getting killed n0. Turns out Mafia does not shoot n0 in this game. Yamato is null. He's being useless. Calling people bad without reasoning makes me think he could be scum, though. That jub jub list was just a few random names. | ||
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Have you guys played together before? | ||
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On May 11 2015 21:34 marvellosity wrote: Did you really ask me a rhetorical question in a postcount limited game? Did you really dodge an answer by saying the question was rhetorical when its intention was to make you confirm/get more in depth with it? | ||
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On May 11 2015 21:41 marvellosity wrote: What more in depth is there to say? Literally everything I had to say about it I summed up succinctly already. Come on, marv. What is OTT? Why such specific thing makes the guy Mafia? Why mafia would do that and a townie won't? Also, why scum!Bill would be so bold to launch a nuke over a weak reason this early in the game, drawing so much attention an suspicions to him? | ||
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[QUOTE]On May 11 2015 21:47 GlowingBear wrote: [QUOTE]On May 11 2015 21:41 marvellosity wrote: [QUOTE]On May 11 2015 21:38 GlowingBear wrote: [QUOTE]On May 11 2015 21:34 marvellosity wrote: [QUOTE]On May 11 2015 21:33 GlowingBear wrote: Marv, did you really scumread Onegu over excessive usage of exclamation points?[/QUOTE] Did you really ask me a rhetorical question in a postcount limited game?[/QUOTE] Did you really dodge an answer by saying the question was rhetorical when its intention was to make you confirm/get more in depth with it?[/QUOTE] What more in depth is there to say? Literally everything I had to say about it I summed up succinctly already.[/QUOTE] Come on, marv. What is OTT? Why such specific thing makes the guy Mafia? Why mafia would do that and a townie won't? Also, why scum!Bill would be so bold to launch a nuke over a weak reason this early in the game, drawing so much attention an suspicions to him?[/QUOTE] because jubjub baddies ask me the question you're just asking me now. Did you even read what i wrote? OTT = over the top, i.e. he was trying to project a certain emotion but he took it too far. Don't really understand why you're asking me why mafia would do that and townies don't, it's a really standard thing to look for emotion/tone that isn't quite right in posts[/QUOTE I see. Let me take a note of this, then. "Townies aren't fond of exclamation points". Any other reads so far? | ||
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On May 11 2015 22:00 marvellosity wrote: GB - you are too stupid to converse with. Which sadly makes you less likely mafia. But I won't waste any posts talking to you after this one, unless i want to persue you for something. This makes things easier. ##Vote:marvellosity You're scum. | ||
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No I'm not. But maybe you're town and you're not as good as your status quo says Because calling Onegu Mafia because of OTT is okay, but using a formal argument (excessive exclamation points) instead of just assuming it's a tone read is really bad. You also don't talk much about BM, it's mostly a policy lynch, and when inquired you stay silent/dodge questions. | ||
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On May 11 2015 22:20 KelsierSC wrote: i realise i'm nearing post limit so going to summarise. but firstly ##unvote ##vote Bill Murray because random nuking trefl, getting overly defensive when someone calls them mafia for it, and then nuking that person is just so horrendous he is scum and should get the fuck out of the game. aside from that town HTS GB Dam RS VE BH Marv Sand Palmar (don't why, just like him i guess) would lynch BM TD Xat JAT LS Vixax, Stutters, RoL and other AFK's everyone else is pretty null to me Why are you reading me as town? | ||
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On May 11 2015 22:30 Palmar wrote: Idk, you don't really sound like a bitch and you really are a bitch when you're mafia. Oh you weren't asking me were you? No. Bitch. Tell me once you've already caught up with the thread, I'd love some thoughts from you. | ||
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You must have some at this point | ||
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On May 12 2015 06:50 Bill Murray wrote: because palmar and marv are both mafia with BH like ive already said Tell me you're kidding here. I have a town read on you but I might rescind if you really mean to push this | ||
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Use one to answer me, shut up and use the other 2 only when necessary | ||
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I can't see BH's anti nuke coming from town perspective. His double standards on truffle and marv, and the decision of immediately stopping BM's nuke instead of further inspecting truffles nuke is too scummy. If truffle is town, BH was trying to get town cred If truffle is Mafia, BH was protecting a scum partner. I can't see his reaction to the first nuke coming from a town perspective, specially when he asks for permission to palmar. | ||
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On May 12 2015 07:39 KelsierSC wrote: I think it's just not correct to say you "can't see it coming from a town perspective" maybe he judged trefl was town and decided not to let him get hit by a nuke. that feels townie to me. some people are saying it isn't "optimal" because more info could have been gathered, whilst I agree I don't think that makes BH scummy. in the heat of the moment he saved someone he thought was town. for the second nuke he waited a while and then decided to anti it, more in line with an optimal play, that nuke was terrible marv is clear town so that is a pro town move from BH. If BH is mafia it may have made sense to wait it out even longer and see if someone who is town uses an anti nuke to save marv. he can claim he has none left. i don't really see the double standard, if people complain he acted to rashly with the first anti, to wait on the second. I disagree with your analysis Consider yourself with the anti nuke ability. You see a town read with one page of filter getting nuked after 48 hours. You don't know anyone's alignment (you're town, duh). Will you further investigate this guy alignment to decide if you really waste your anti nuke or you immediately use it and shut down thread progression? Only a guy with perfect information would react that way. To me, Kelsen, BH asked Palmar's permission so he could blame Palmar once marv flips read. This is somehow approaching WIFOM territory, but very plausible. | ||
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On May 12 2015 07:56 KelsierSC wrote: yes I understand that point, but I have also presented a case where BH is town, saying "you just can't see it being town" isn't true consider yourself as mafia, someone nukes marv! who is likely town here, you can claim that you have no anti nukes left, but instead you decide to save him? that doesn't make sense to me. The same thing I said about truffle applies here. If marv is town, towncred. If marv is Mafia, protecting a partner. Tell me why you think marv is town. Because he isn't | ||
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Oh boy. Oh. Boy. | ||
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Yamato, my reads are not based on confirmation stuff. Is based on trying to see things from town/Mafia perspective and believing it fits scum perspective much more than townie perspective | ||
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On May 12 2015 08:13 Blazinghand wrote: haha, i have no idea dude. shouldn't you be asking me about my reads on JAT (who I voted), or Trfel and Marv, who I saved? lern 2 interrogate No need to get yourself down dude you can just move on to another person HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!! I love you BH But no, I should be asking you. How can you stop two nukes without considering the launcher's alignment? | ||
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On May 12 2015 08:20 yamato77 wrote: glowingbear, just listen to me EVEN IF BH is mafia, your argument is absolutely horrible and won't get him lynched so just stop people scumreading BM at this point are probably just bad. we shouldn't lynch either of them, IMO right now I'm more interested in JAT's potential return to playing the game in some sort of way that isn't excusing why his play is shit, and onegu's play going forward Point out what is horrible in my read. Saying that his role usage isn't definitive isn't enough | ||
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Yamato, pls TD said exactly what I said, but in a more wordy paragraph. Like, pls. Bill Murray won't be lynched today. I'm starting to be suspicious of Kelsen for reasons unknown. Gut feelings | ||
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On May 12 2015 10:54 yamato77 wrote: No, he didn't, and that's why you'll always be bad. Is it unanimous that my reads are bad? If so, I'll stick to single player since nobody will hear me. I will deliver reads and vote and use my super powerful role, but won't be arsed to engage interactions. | ||
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On May 12 2015 12:17 Oatsmaster wrote: Voting BM. There's no way he takes this game so seriously as town. Xata is scum. BH also might be scum.. I want to lynch you. Very hard. | ||
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Your reason to vote BM is bad and you think BH might be scum, so you're assuming Mafia wasted 2 nukes and 2 anti nukes over nothing. Like lol | ||
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On May 12 2015 12:52 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Uh? Bm has been dead serious about the last few games he's played regardless of alignment so wtf? Where is this coming from? As an aside, the more BM posts the less I want to lynch him. I'm just having trouble finding another place for my vote atm. ##unvote Why not oats? | ||
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On May 12 2015 12:55 Oatsmaster wrote: One nuke was fake and why not get cred? Also bm basically killed someone at the start of the day. Does that sound townie to you? Nope. And all his reasoning is real sketchy but he's trying hard so he clearly cares. A townie that shoots someone at the start of the day does not care. You sincerely believes Mafia wasted that much things just to try to gain a town cred they aren't getting at all? | ||
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Unless you think BM is town. If so, why are you voting him? Also, supposedly he is town. Who would you lynch? | ||
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On May 12 2015 13:04 Oatsmaster wrote: GB tell me, if someone dayvigged a townie on day 1, will you kill that someone? It depends on this guy's thought process Why? | ||
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On May 12 2015 13:05 Oatsmaster wrote: Like lynch. BM didnt nuke to look townie, what are you talking about GB. I would deffo lynch xata This is what I'm talking, oats: You posted that you're voting BM but says that BH might be Mafia as well. Which means you assume Mafia INTENTIONALLY nuked someone just for BH to anti nuke. Then Mafia AGAIN wasted a nuke so his Mafia partner AGAIN ANTI NUKES. Then you say they are trying to get town cred. Now you say BM wasn't trying to get town cred. I'm confused. | ||
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On May 12 2015 13:23 Oatsmaster wrote: Wasnt the second nuke fake or something? I didnt see a host message. I saw a host message for both nukes, if I saw it right. The point is valid, anyway, and for your reaction it does seem that you thought about it and that you think it is plausible LOL A day vigi is completely different from a nuke. How can you tell truffle is certainly town? | ||
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On May 11 2015 13:41 Hapahauli wrote: Moderation Announcement: Nuclear Launch Detected! It will land in On May 11 2015 16:39 Hapahauli wrote: Moderation Announcement: Bill Murray's nuke has been shot down! It will no longer explode at the end of Day 1. On May 12 2015 09:16 Hapahauli wrote: Moderation Announcement: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r9FZDotVYZI Bill Murray's nuke has been shot down! It will no longer explode at the end of Day 1. | ||
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On May 12 2015 13:41 Damdred wrote: GB could you tell me what you think about Xatalos, me and Palmar? Nope because I still haven't read the thread properly I'm just coming by and pinging out odd things I see I must say that, for what I've read, I think Xatalos is very underwhelming and isn't caring for the game as he usually dies as town. But I haven't spotted any scummy things yet. You started looking weird. I understood your post wrong as you stated night0 and I decided to ignore you because I thought you looked townie (active and fluid reads), so keeping a "suspended" scumread on you could keep you alive after night0 (I thought Mafia was going to shoot lol). Palmar... I don't know, I haven't seen anything suspicions on him yet, but also nothing very townie. I need him to get playing the game properly to further analyse. I will save another post to say my current Mafia list is BH Oats Kelsen (gut read) Rasputin (gut read) | ||
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On May 12 2015 13:44 Oatsmaster wrote: meh ok fine Nononono not fine. 1) Why truffle is town? (You compared BM's nuke to a certain ##shoot townie) 2) Why were you scumreading BH? 3) Why Xatalos was a better lynch than BH? 4) Did you not realise the nuke and anti nukes wasting thing before? | ||
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Now lynch someone that is scum. Bye. | ||
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Can you give more inputs about this? Let's lynch BH? Would you lynch Oats? What did you make of my answer? | ||
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On May 12 2015 20:44 Oatsmaster wrote: dude you arent fucking lynching me again day 1 for no reason. Ok lets lynch Xata then. 100% scum. Im not even kidding I'm not lynching Xata. Let's lynch BH? I don't remember lynching you on day one ever. Also, care to answer my questions? Filter dive me, there is an ordered list of 4 directed to you Also, why am I town for you? | ||
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You also said that now BM is silly but I don't think this point you make makes him more or less mafia. I think a town would like to justify his actions when pressure is on him just as much as a mafia. I don't understand how you are so sure about this. I can understand and share the feeling of wanting to lynch him regardless just so he doesn't get away with this as mafia and I feel like a tard for letting it happen, but having seen BM's town play I deffinitely think it's just as much possible for him to be town in this spot, no matter how absurd his actions and reasons are. This flip on his read felt very unnatural and opportunistic. | ||
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On May 12 2015 21:17 sandroba wrote: Except that he isn't tunneled. He was calling trfel town prior to that and made that post and flipped his read again. It look to me more that he was desperate and trying to get something to stick. I don't believe he was tunneled at all. He deliberately left out part of the first post and lied about the time between the 2 posts. I've just filter dived him and never found a town read on truffle... Not even once... BM being mafia isn't outside the realm of possibilities. But for me he is looking much more townie than mafia + people I scumread voted him + your unnatural flip made me wary | ||
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On May 12 2015 13:53 GlowingBear wrote: Nononono not fine. 1) Why truffle is town? (You compared BM's nuke to a certain ##shoot townie) 2) Why were you scumreading BH? 3) Why Xatalos was a better lynch than BH? 4) Did you not realise the nuke and anti nukes wasting thing before? Come on oats. You are quoted here, there are 4 ordered questions, and you couldn't find this? Lol You know what the problem is with this day1? Everybody is talking but nobody is listening. Read how some people blindly agree with voting BM without even having any further analysis regarding him, or presenting any attempt to solve the game. See how marv says Onegu is OTT and BM is mafia for acting crazy. Then see how useless he was the entire day1. He comes to the thread only to say "BH is not the lynch" when a lot of things happened. See how some people are conveniently ignoring oats. And all you guys do is call people Mafia without looking closer to people's reaction, or call me bad because I have good reads but I have a hard time to convey my thought process. Just please organise yourselves, take step back, and think. Just see how easily people are switching to Xatalos And I'm Cicero, the Pardoner. That pardon is legit. | ||
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On May 12 2015 23:47 Damdred wrote: Idk what's happening in the thread I just woke up and saw that pardon, and I kist want to say dumbest thing ever. Bm could be town but having town talk about him for another day is stupid ##kill bill murry back to catching up If this is legit, congratulations, damdy, you've just threw all the debate regarding Bill murray in the trash bin since he won't flip. | ||
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On May 12 2015 23:56 justanothertownie wrote: This is the only reason why the shot is not just really really good. The shot is horrible. Bill Murray dropped enough information in thread for us to work with. He was active, he was talking, he was fluid, he was batshit town. He could be dealt day2. There are a lot of people I have no idea about. RoL, Batsnacks, Onegu, Stutters... People we have no information and we are carrying into day2. And day vig shoots BM. I can't help but think Damdred is mafia for that. I may be biased because he shot my townread, so I will cool my head for a bit and come back later | ||
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I would like a gun. To kill all of you who simply doesn't understand that we don't lynch active people day1. We don't get to know his alignment with the shot. If you think this is similar to a pardon, I'll just fuck off | ||
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##Vote:Oatsmaster And Damdred, I decided to get out of the thread exactly because I thought I needed to cool down my head after you shot the guy I pardoned. Anyway, oats is very underwhelming, is dodging my questioning, following thread sentiment without putting any original thoughts in thread, making absurd assumptions of team (BM and BH together) and when the flaw was revealed, he didn't seem to reevaluate his read until after some time, which I found it was an odd reaction. HTS, vote oats with me. | ||
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On May 13 2015 00:42 rsoultin wrote: meh gb unless you're voting a townread you've got my vote today -_- i'm done tired of beating my head against a wall. if people can't see why what damdred did was nonsensical i don't even know. it's less that he did it and that he did it WITH his current reads under THESE circumstances. whatever Dear, I can see it as nonsensical. But I can't find Mafia motivation behind it. If Bill was town, Damdred is right, it would be better to try an push a mislynch on BM day2. Don't get me wrong. He could be Mafia. He could just shoot a townie so people pushing a mislynch on BM wouldn't look bad. But I don't think Damdred is the day1 lynch due to we already have enough information on him. A Coroner, for example, could look for his alignment tonight. | ||
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On May 13 2015 00:47 Half the Sky wrote: 45/60 Marv - by that same token, do you think he's being vague in regards to Vivax or is that read from him reasonable? He's using meta as a reason to townread Vivax despite Vivax's wanting to trash his town meta (which I would think should make Sandroba disregard meta as well??). But I was asking him to look into the content. His first few reads in the beginning were fine. I can't comment on the VE read as I'm not even that familiar with VE now other than he doesn't strike me as a town leader. But I just didn't like his responses on Vivax. In any case he's probably and shouldn't get lynched today for it, but I just found it dicey. GB - Oatsmaster is a third choice for me behind Vivax/Xatalos. I think either of the latter two are more likely to get lynched over him. Going to be back around EoD although I don't have too many posts left either. (Any questions (anyone) ask away and I'll consolidate them to save posts.) Could you point out why Vivax or Xatalos are better lynches? Even if you already have. I'll save posts now. I'll probably deliver a case on oats for you to evaluate, and maybe that consolidated list post I am promising since start of the day | ||
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I slept the entire afternoon. I don't know what's going on. Anyway, I think town has to organise themselves. I would like people to list others that they think are most likely town. Like this: HTS Damdred Palmar Sandroba Yamato If we get a similar list, we form a town circle and consolidate our votes. Please let's listen to each other and agree with a good lynch. | ||
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I give up on this | ||
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On May 13 2015 07:03 yamato77 wrote: EVERYONE SWITCH TO BH What changed? HtS, I'm busy and I won't be able to develop a thoroght case on oats. My reasoning is this 1. Gives me a townread very early in the game when discussion on me was developing. Scumreads Sandroba for townreading me. 2. Scumreads Sandroba but does not really firmly engage him. Never votes Sandroba. Votes BM easily without any accurate thought process 3. Considers the bizarre team of BH and BM. A town will never reach this conclusion if they are paying attention to the thread. This can only come from a Mafia that has perfect information and needs to fabricate reads, and follow thread sentiment. For the record, his scum reads were BM, Xatalos and BH. Pretty standard. No consideration regarding Vivax. When I point out how a team of BM and BH is weird, instead of saying something in the line of "oh I didn't realise that", he goes in the line of justifying this stupid thing by saying "they wanted to gain town cred". Not the towniest reaction I would expect. We have much more inconsistency in oats than in any of the players set up for the lynch. | ||
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I'm voting Vivax or Oats today. No one else. | ||
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LOOK HOW EASILY THE WAGON ON BH WAS FORMED AND HOW EASILY VIVAX WAGON WAS DISBANDED JUST USE YOUR FUCKING BRAINS!!!!! | ||
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On May 13 2015 07:45 Blazinghand wrote: Read obs qt or ask yam. I was lynched and immediately cashed yam scum Sandro town now btw ##unvote ##vote xat I must live Why Xatalos instead of Vivax? | ||
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On May 13 2015 08:10 Blazinghand wrote: Xat has more votes. I'll vote whoever has the most votes and isn't me Vivax has the same amount of votes Xatalos has after I voted him. Vote Vivax to save yourself and lynch scum Yamato is only berating me, he says BH isn't scum for bad usage of his role but votes BH because of the usage of his role LOL YOU'RE HILARIOUS YAMATO | ||
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##Vote: BlazingHand Bye | ||
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I need people to give me posts. Just three more are okay. I'm not putting any content in here because I don't want to be unfair and keep exceeding post count. This is just a "begging" | ||
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Marv, oats, BH and LS are most likely Mafia. In this order. I'll make a post with four cases in it. And this time I will really do it. Yamato, am I town? Answer me win reasoning, please. | ||
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Oats is Mafia 1) Weird early and unexplained townread on me. + Show Spoiler + On May 10 2015 16:03 Oatsmaster wrote: glowingbear isnt scum, stop that whole line of reasoning. On May 11 2015 09:50 Oatsmaster wrote: Gb is town guys. Unless he faked that shit like super super well. Sandro, talking deads list post was the most recent and longest one, why not point it out? Also, the tone of your posts is very structured, and the questions you ask seem to be more for show than actually gaining alignment relevant information Why did he disrupt discussion about me? How can he have this town read based on the list post I've made? Why my list post is hard to fake? This feels so much like when scum!Onegu defended me in a game I can't remember right now. My guess is that he did this to gain town cred (going against thread sentiment). 2) Scumreads Xata early on, makes no attempt to really lynch him. Also scumreads rsoultin but does nothing about it. Also TalkingDead. Votes BM following thread sentiment. Votes Vivax on Final Votecount instead of Xatalos. + Show Spoiler + On May 11 2015 12:40 Oatsmaster wrote: OK saw the longass post. That's a bad post. Mainly because of one point. When td compares the difference between town-town, he says that they will be able to rethink their reads. But in his town-scum analysis, he said that one of them will keep beating a dead horse, specifying that it might be either. So since they don't know each others alignments, the town - scum scenario he proposes could happen with town - town too. So in conclusion, td is bullshitting his town-town read cause he got caught. On May 11 2015 16:24 Oatsmaster wrote: Oo I really don't like rsoultin, that post is way too obvious and it feels like rsoul thought she needed to have a response to bm. On May 11 2015 22:37 Oatsmaster wrote: ##vote BM Why is my defence of you suprising marv? On May 12 2015 12:17 Oatsmaster wrote: Voting BM. There's no way he takes this game so seriously as town. Xata is scum. BH also might be scum.. On May 12 2015 12:43 Oatsmaster wrote: I'm really confused ve. Xata is like straight up scum more than bm but I can't push lynch on him right now. On May 12 2015 20:44 Oatsmaster wrote: dude you arent fucking lynching me again day 1 for no reason. Ok lets lynch Xata then. 100% scum. Im not even kidding On May 13 2015 08:39 Oatsmaster wrote: LYNCH XATA MAN. 100% SCUM. Vivax might be but Xata is more scum. So he initially scumreads TalkingDead, agreeing with Sandroba. Even say "he got caught". Never addresses to TD again. Then he says he really don't like rsoultin (but he said he can't read rsoultin earlier in the game lol). Never addresses to rsoultin again. Following thread sentiment, votes BM for an awful reason ("I don't believe BM would be this serious as town"), when "serious" is not the exact word you could use for a guy who uses a nuke on early day1. Keeps voting BM although giving faint scumreads on Xatalos, never voting him. I get him off guard and pardon Bill Murray. He can only vote his other two scumreads (Xata or Blazinghand, as I quoted before). He townreads BH over a weak reason and keeps scumreading Xatalos without actively trying to get him lynched (saying to me to "lynch Xatalos he is 100%" only isn't a guy who is actually trying to get Xatalos lynched). Lands his vote on Vivax instead of voting BH who he had a scumread on. I just want to remember you that his scumread on BH was because "he suspiciously anti nuked the first nuke", and this is a thing that can't be changed. I have no idea what made him flip his read other than when I revealed two scum partners couldn't waste 2 nukes and antinukes just to gain towncred that can't be gained, but the way he reacted to this statement didn't show sudden realisation on him (as I'll cover in the next item). Why not trying to get people o Xatalos even BEFORE the wagon on BH happened? 3) Putting BM and BH in the same scumteam. On May 12 2015 12:17 Oatsmaster wrote: Voting BM. There's no way he takes this game so seriously as town. Xata is scum. BH also might be scum.. My argument is that this cannot come from a town perspective since I doubt townies would feel BH and BM are possibly in the same scumteam wasting 2 nukes and 2 antinukes. Anyone reading the thread should know this. It is NOT a natural thought process. Scumreading them both comes much more from a mafia perspective of fitting reads to push his own and/or mafia agenda. It seems to me he just came to the thread, saw a discussion about BM and BH being mafia, and opened his possibilities by listing both of them. The following posts supports this view: + Show Spoiler + On May 12 2015 13:02 Oatsmaster wrote: BH isnt getting lynched now. Enough towncred? On May 12 2015 13:04 Oatsmaster wrote: GB tell me, if someone dayvigged a townie on day 1, will you kill that someone? On May 12 2015 13:05 Oatsmaster wrote: Like lynch. BM didnt nuke to look townie, what are you talking about GB. I would deffo lynch xata On May 12 2015 13:17 Oatsmaster wrote: ????? like with his first post, ##SHOOT TOWNIE On May 12 2015 12:55 Oatsmaster wrote: One nuke was fake and why not get cred? Also bm basically killed someone at the start of the day. Does that sound townie to you? Nope. And all his reasoning is real sketchy but he's trying hard so he clearly cares. A townie that shoots someone at the start of the day does not care. So, instead of having the natural "OH LOL NEVERMIND I'M STUPID" town reaction, he started to JUSTIFY his reads by saying they tried to get town cred, even creating a hypothetical paralel of a Dayvigi shooting a townie. Wifom sidenote: Funny thing that when he says "shooting a townie" is almost as he is sure that Truffle was town. Important sidenote!: He even admits that a townie that shoots someone at the start of the day does not care, when his reasoning for voting BM was "BM can't be this serious as town". I understand his argument about a gameplay inconsistency (BM not caring while shooting at the start of the day VS BM caring after being scumread for it), but I don't believe in it. It's late and I don't want to make more cases today, so I'll save it for my last post. I'm reevaluating my read on marv. Reading his filter, I saw some townie reactions, and that is making me wary. My scumread on BH and LS are still on. But we may have to go against more problematic players. Obi is pretty underwhelming and his playstyle fits so much his mafia meta. Batsnacks is WTF RoL is "why do you sign in?" Onegu is "I have no idea" VE is "please do your shit" Palmar looks townie to me but "please step up and do shit, you're doing nothing" Stutters is "why even signing in?" Too many information-less players we have to care about Also, yamato, I'm starting to get on my nerves with you. | ||
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I also need one more post, pls, someone | ||
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Marv, what point on my case on oats was good, what is your read on him? Someone give me one more post. I had to ask these questions because they are important. | ||
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Anyway, obi, when you're scum you hardly have any strong read. You usually ask generic questions but do nothing with them. When you're town, your reads are very bold and when you change your reads you reveal your thought process in thread. I'm not seeing it in this game. I can build a meta case day2 in case I survive. I also find extremely weird that you (i) does not comment on my case on oats at all and (ii) you raise suspicions on me for putting in one post 9 people we should be talking about, saying that that post should be only for oats, ignoring the fact that this is a game with post restriction and I was running out of posts. Moving on BH isn't just Mafia for anti nuking. He is Mafia because he was useless day1 and his initial reads were regarding imprecise game mechanics, easy excuse for Mafia to make reads. When I posted the contradiction regarding the mechanics, he kept with his argument instead of clarifying it with the hosts (ergo: he wanted that to be true so he could have those reads instead of he BELIEVED that it could be true). I've asked the mods and they said Mafia gets to known their partners night0. More than that, even believing in the reads from those mechanics, he completely forgets those reads and calls me town now over a illusory contradiction. But he called me town based on that mechanics. Marv had some townie reactions but scummy plays. Summarising: in the start of day1 he raised suspicions on Onegu and oats. He then again raised suspicions on oats. And did NOTHING with it. When I pointed out scummy things about oats, he completely ignored to push his own agenda. It is clear that he knows the scummy points I've brought because he quoted a post from that time when I said "BH is up to lynch" just to say "he is not". Later he places a vote with weak reasoning on BH that got unexpected traction, than stupidly votes Vivax out of nothing. UNFLIPPED ASSOCIATION: he voted on a team mate to distance himself, saw it getting traction and voted Vivax to save his scum partner. I was expecting that: he kept his options open when he said he was going to vote BH. IF Blazinghand flips town, LS totally is mafia for intentionally throwing away his vote when he was here on deadline. I'm flipping my read on Damdred. He is Mafia. He starts the game very try harding. Gives weird reads. But keeps try Harding. Then he joins his scum meta by being extremely passive and asking questions that goes nowhere or never following up on them. His shot fits much more a Mafia perspective. See, you have a guy being scumread by the whole thread. He gets pardoned because there was a town read on him. People starts townreading the guy. Damdred shoots the guy that could be problematic later without revealing his alignment with the perfect excuse of "not wasting day2". Palmar needs to step up or he might be mafia. I have to go. I'm strongly townreading rsoultin and HTS Yamato could be scum for doing nothing other than berating players. I THINK BH IS THE BEST SHOT HERE SINCE HE IS SCUM AND HIS FLIP WILL GIVE US A LOT OF INFORMATION byr | ||
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On May 14 2015 10:39 TalkingDead wrote: You're an idiot. Even if you got the ability from scum, who cares? It means my reads are wrong Dumbass | ||
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My preferred shot is BH though. Followed by oats. Would you like any of these? | ||
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What do you think of it, RoL? | ||
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On May 14 2015 11:00 yamato77 wrote: objectively, the best shot is BH if he flips, we know a lot about what happened at EOD SO YOU BERATE ME ALL GAME LONG JUST TO FULLY AGREE WITH ME YOU PRICK I HATE YOU | ||
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The first thing we have to decide is if I should shoot BH or not. This needs to be decided until tomorrow morning, because if I shoot him, I'm not going to wait until deadline, because this is also a shot for information. If we really don't shoot BH, I'm only shooting -oats -marv -RoL -JAT In order of preference. RoL is a policy lynch JAT is someone that is playing sub optimal and has a good shot on being scum but wasn't on my list yet. You all know why I think marv and oats are Mafia. Now, I need people telling me why BH is town or why BH is Mafia | ||
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Help me deciding the shot, then. What did you discuss in the mason qt btw? | ||
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Also, you didn't vote on day1???? | ||
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On May 14 2015 13:15 VisceraEyes wrote: No, that's just all I've mentioned. And yes, I didn't vote on D1. I had voted for BM, who was killed. Why not voting again? And who would you have voted? Is BH Mafia? | ||
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HOLD ME I'M ABOUT TO YOLO THIS HOLD ME | ||
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New shoot list: - BH -TalkingDead - Yamato - JAT Yes, yamato is there. | ||
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Specially Sandroba. It makes no sense to have both Palmar and Sandroba on the mason qt since they were scumreading each other. Why not inviting JAT, for instance? | ||
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We should lynch him. | ||
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On May 14 2015 14:07 VisceraEyes wrote: Why not shoot him and use that information to decide the lynch? We've already tried to lynch him and we lynched a townie. Just sayin. I just felt like YOLOing into JAT. He has a very good shot on being scum. | ||
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- What is going on over here? - This guy was trying to kill a citizen! I've stopped him! - said a guy with burnt hands. - And how did that happen? - Well, he came next to this old lady with this big knife. Everybody wanted to have the guy with the knife killed, but I was better than that. - You stupids, do you see the blood on this guy shirt? He carries a knife because he is a butcher! Every citizen immediately stopped talking. They realised they were stupid. Astonished by supreme logic, they quickly made me king! They said: now you punish evil please. I laughed and took out my PEW PEW PEW gun, aimed at the guy with burnt hands, but, breathing the mist of youlis onlyus livis oncet, I shot just another citizen. I'm kidding, I would LOVE to shoot him but I feel obligated to play optimally. ##Execute: Blazinghand | ||
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I'll stop playing Mafia. | ||
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I don't even want to read people in the obs qt calling me bad I feel horrible | ||
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On May 15 2015 01:09 VisceraEyes wrote: I agree with him FWIW. Based on the information gathered by the shot (2 town leading the wagons D1, it seems likely that mafia were avoiding the main wagons D1, which you can kinda see illustrated with Palmar voting for RoL. In that case, Onegu looks bad for voting for rsoultin all day. Tell me more about it. Tell me why not LS? | ||
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On May 15 2015 01:16 justanothertownie wrote: Bro, I am already being nuked apparently. I want you dead twice. Not shooting you was horrible. I should listen more to myself sometimes, instead of trying to discuss with people | ||
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On May 15 2015 01:22 justanothertownie wrote: Yeah, you certainly make the best decisions on your own usually. That burn tho. Can someone ask marv why did he added Sandroba to the qt? | ||
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On May 15 2015 02:47 VisceraEyes wrote: ##Kill: Xatalos NOOOO WE NEED HIS FLIP!!!!!!!!!!! | ||
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On May 15 2015 00:45 rsoultin wrote: 21/50 you know i really can't tell if i just think supremely differently than the rest of the world or i'm speaking swahili you claim that you were in a "mason" qt with marvellosity, flipped scum palmar, and flipped town sandroba, do you not? then scum apparently chooses to kill damdred and sandroba and the conclusion you draw from that is that marvellosity is confirmed town? palmar and marv weren't getting along in thread. palmar is not going to influence marvellosity that way. he should be dead if your story is true. or he's very likely scum yet the conclusion that you draw from it is that scum knows he's a mason and chose not to kill one of the best town players on the site xP | ||
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Why does this make him town? | ||
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On May 15 2015 02:59 VisceraEyes wrote: Yes, rsoultin was spouting nonsense and now she's dead. Was there some kind of point? Point: marv is a town power role and mafia decided to shoot Damdred instead HUGE LOL VE, did you think Palmar was town? | ||
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Your shot makes no sense. | ||
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On May 15 2015 03:03 VisceraEyes wrote: How is Onegu informationless? How is Xatalos any more informationful? My shot makes perfect sense. If Xatalos flips red we have full comprehension of what happened on the final votecount day1. He was the leading wagon, then instantly only BH and Vivax were the leading wagon. If Xatalos flip green we just have to go hard on people that were extremely passive at EoD. Like you. You came back to the thread but never voted. I just revisited EoD1. Answer me this: why scum!JAT comes to the thread and instantly shoots rsoultin? | ||
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On May 15 2015 03:07 justanothertownie wrote: Dude. You pardoned fucking bill murray. And now you attack VE for this perfectly fine shot. Thank god I've pardoned Bill Murray. Thread was better with him alive. | ||
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On May 15 2015 03:08 VisceraEyes wrote: Me? I don't know, I never said I thought JAT was mafia. I didn't shoot JAT. I just want to hear your thoughts on it | ||
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On May 15 2015 03:11 VisceraEyes wrote: Listen GB, the only confirmed mafia we've killed was on NEITHER wagon. So it's reasonable to assume, as you did, that mafia were passive. Onegu AFK voted for rsoultin, someone you're citing RIGHT NOW incriminating me. You should be just fine with an Onegu lynch, unless I'm missing something. That's the problem, VE. If you think he is obviously mafia, why not shooting him instead of shooting Xatalos, who would give us way more information AND has a good shot of being mafia? See, if Xatalos was the second wagon, forming a wagon on both BH an Vivax and pratically zero-ing Xatalos wagon, and if Xatalos was mafia, we can assume mafia were voting Xatalos and changed to any of the other wagons. We can't know this now since you shot Xatalos. | ||
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On May 15 2015 03:14 yamato77 wrote: Stop fucking listening to JAT. He's dead scum, literally useless to the thread. HTS, comment on the fucking Onegu lynch I'm leading or you're next. Dude I highly doubt HTS is mafia (Which probably means she is mafia) | ||
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On May 15 2015 03:26 batsnacks wrote: I don't like the cut of your jib, friend. Jat is town anyway. HOW THE FUCK ARE YOU GETTING THOSE READS PLEASE ENLIGHTEN ME BECAUSE I FUCKING THOUGHT YOU WERE CORONER AND CHECKED OATS ROLE AND I TOOK A STEP BACK INSTEAD OF SHOOTING HIM ARGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGH | ||
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On May 11 2015 23:40 batsnacks wrote: I wish I had some nukes. My abilities are pleb tier. You sound more like your pleb, here. | ||
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On May 12 2015 22:21 batsnacks wrote: ##vote Sandroba I found probable mafia. Unfortunately I can't explain it without claiming. It's weird though because sandroba did nothing last game as mafia and now he's talking a lot. This also doesn't sound like a check. | ||
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On May 15 2015 04:02 batsnacks wrote: Basically I claimed vt subtly and Jat, rs, and oats picked up on it immediately. I think this was early enough in the game that mafia wouldn't have asked for fakes yet. VE, yamato, BH, LS, and you (GB) all blatantly missed it so you're all most likely either blues or mafia. Sandro also picked up on it btw but I missed it because I wasn't reading and was afk at eod. So voting Sandro was a mistake. Alright but why voting Sandro? | ||
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On May 15 2015 05:47 justanothertownie wrote: No offense but that is the worst read in the whole game. None taken. Why is nobody talking about 2 mason recruiters in the same alignment being weird and so one could be Mafia? | ||
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On May 15 2015 05:54 VisceraEyes wrote: What are you talking about? Only marv is a mason recruiter...unless I'm missing something somewhere? Did you REALLY miss TD's huge claim? | ||
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On May 15 2015 06:24 TalkingDead wrote: For the most part, Marv made his points but he was happy to let Damdred and I do whatever we felt was best. He was fine with me waiting to join BH so I could watch how votes/wagons formed and he was interested in the Vivax thing despite being high. Damdred and Marv I picked because I feel like I can read him well and he's a really strong player. Damdred I didn't think woudl try to figure out (or out if he knew) my smurf and Marv wouldn't either as he hates when his smurfs are outed. Yamato I picked because he's a strong player that I wanted connected in the mason chain. Rsoultin I picked because I didn't think she had much experience with QT play from both sides and would be easier to get a read on in direct contact I was going to pick Sandroba and Rsoultin, but Marv wanted to grab Sandroba and he knows Sandroba much better than I do so it was fine. So you guys knew marv was a mason recruiter also? | ||
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So Palmar knew you were going to put Sandroba in your qt. Marv, why didn't you tell palmar and VE that you were in another mason qt? | ||
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On May 12 2015 23:41 marvellosity wrote: I'm not sure I get the rationale of a mafia-Palmar honing in on a target with the history that you have with each other. Palmar's played plenty of games with you (probably only more with me + VE) and realistically if he wanted to choose a prominent player to target, he should have chosen me, because he loves to scumread me no matter my alignment. Instead he chose you, when (if i'm wrong, correct me) you have quite a good history of trying to read each other. I like to think I am pretty good at reading Palmar normally and he can easily get into stupid dumb tunnels as town in the situation of sandroba-town and palmar-mafia, gunning for you seems like a kinda suicidal play with no upsides for him, so i think this can be town-town Are you sure? | ||
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On May 15 2015 06:48 LightningStrike wrote: That was made a few irl days ago so ofc we now know it was Town on Scum there between Sandroba and Palmar. LS, you don't get it. Marv makes a mason qt with both palmar and VE. He doesn't trust these guys to tell them he was RECRUITED in another qt, but he trusts Damdred, Yamato AND TD (which he trusts is another town mason) to say he IS a POWER ROLE??? Then he ASKS to let Sandroba being added to his qt, and Sandroba is dead at night, and rsoultin is shot at the exact moment she starts suspecting marv and VE Like, come on. | ||
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On May 14 2015 04:20 TalkingDead wrote: A few important things. Rsoultin's large posts are really, really off. When I have more time to write up a whole thing I'll do so, but there's very little sense being made in them and she's flat out lying about a few things. More importantly, I want to address Blazinghand's recent scumclaim here. Blazinghand is an experienced player. This is the most absolutely passive way I've ever seen BH talk about someone as scum. Blazinghand as a player and as a person is exceptionally cocky. Not confident, cocky. He is not unknown for screaming that someone's scum. He will out-talk, speak over other players, bully players, wiggle and litigate arguments, etc. just to get his point across. Blazinghand as town in no fucking way is he ever passive. Occaisionally, he will not play as town or not play as scum. But he's not a player to beat around the bush. As town, he's not going to mince his words. As town, BH will flat out call people scum; scream it from the heavens repeating and readjusting his argument just to convince people to vote with him. THIS IS NOT TOWN BH!!!! Town BH doesn't loosely be willing to agree to talk about how BH thinks a person is scum. Second... Town!BH does not intentially try to out people during the night phase. Generally, outing blues in the night phase is pretty terrible play and BH has scolded people before for doing so. However, this type of play is one that's often seen on video mafia. There are a few potential options that BH is trying to do here: 1. BH is traitor and is trying to get mafia to consider an NK for blue snipe on Batsnacks 2. BH is mafia and is trying to setup a blue claim for his partner Batsnacks 3. BH is town and is trying to get mafia to kill lynchbait Batsnacks Here's the thing though, BH scolded GlowingBear here for not knowing about no N0 NKs. He knows that roles didn't go out until the end of N0. So BH is in part trying to establish a blue argument on a player based on the 13th post in the game. BH is clearly not trying or thinking critically here because that argument is the dumbfuckfest central. Then he goes on to point out the Batsnacks soft claim. As town, why would BH ever point this out during the night phase? Maybe it's Batsnacks trying to take a bullet. Maybe it's actually a soft. I don't know. But there's literally no point for BH to direct the soft to the thread's attention as town. The potential loss is almost always greater than the potential gain. BH is a player who is will to take risks as any alignment, but this one is that I don't think I've ever seen him take before as town while at least once arguing against such play. So it's pretty easy to eliminate option 3. I don't care if it's 1 or 2, either way he's not town for it. Marv made an exceptionally sexy post about BH that I want to highlight. When I was looking at BH before and after the lynch, there was at least one exceptionally interesting thing about him. BH deflects from pressure. I don't mean that he pushes it on to other people. Rather, he takes the weakest point of anyone's argument and straw mans the argument so that he looks better. Instead of ever engaging or responding to good arguments (like the one I made that yamato responds to or the extended case the Marv wrote), never once does he address them. In the early case, he engages GlowingBear's weaker argument, never responds to mine and allows thread sentiment to just shift into BillMurray in the silence. In the case of Marv's argument, he interacts with everyone else around Marv's argument. He gets into a shitflinging fest with yamato. He explains how he'll be at dinner for 23 straight hours. He never actually bothers to respond to the main points because it lends credence to the points themselves. While this avoidance is reasonable to good play to avoid being lynched, it is rather telling that BH has continued to play this way. Building upon a point Marv had made earlier, BH clearly isn't thinking or reading critically in any sense. He tried to point out Batsnacks for being blue based on a post that batty wrote after alignments were handed out but before roles were. I ask you, do you really think that Blazinghand is the type of person or player to not think while he's playing? Does he have a tendency as town to show a pattern of not critically thinking about the game in any realistic sense? Do you not want to lynch the ever living fuck out of him? I trust none of you. The only masoned person to suspect you guys was Rsoultin. She got shot the exact moment she suspects those things. The other townie who was masoned was Damdred. So convenient. The other masoned guys were yamato, TD, VE and Palmar. 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WHO IS MAFIA AND WHY? STOP SITTING BACK WITH YOUR AWFUL EGOS ECHOING IN THE THREAD THAT ALL PLAYERS ARE BAD AND DO SOME WORK GOD | ||
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O WAIT | ||
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I'm voting oats. If town decides he is the lynch, good. If not, fuck town. Bye | ||
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I also want marv dead. Very dead. But hey! I'm bad in this game. town!marv, in the other hand, trying to lynch blazinghand and vivax day1 isn't mafia/bad Gr8 m8 | ||
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Obi, help me thinking please. Do you think it's possible that marvs QT with VE is true but the QTs with TD are fake, meaning yamato/marv/TD are part of a scum team? | ||
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Here is what bugs me I think oats is Mafia I think marv is Mafia My oats case is okay for me Marv keeps scumreading oats but does not consider him for the lynch. He raised suspicions on him TWICE on day1 and never revisited him. When I pointed out weird things on oats, marv ignored it. This kind of dismissal is too weird. I don't like how Kelsier's activity dropped and he has a good shot on being scum Yamato just comes to the thread to berate me and I think he also has a fair shot on being scum. Truffle interest in the game also dropped too much. I feel he could be Mafia. I think Onegu is trolly town I think Batsnacks is town for his pleb thing | ||
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On May 16 2015 01:04 marvellosity wrote: you're essentially scumreading me by association with an unflipped player because i don't want to lynch who you want to lynch, it's super cute I'm not considering masons and I'm scumreading you for not sticking to what you say + not actually to solving the game + calling me town for being bad when I'm bad as both alignments + lynching a town day1 that wasn't syllogism | ||
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On May 16 2015 01:35 marvellosity wrote: I don't think you understand the syllogism thing at all, dear, because that doesn't make any sense whatsoever. I've never lynched syllogism. and pls, after i saw 2 of your scumgames in a row, your scumbad is totally different from your fucked-up townbad. I was joking about the syllogism thing. It's that I always remember Artanis' Chart. You're not doing much and it bothers me. Why don't you just say what is different between my bad scum and bad town? What point on my case on oats did you like? You never revealed it AND YOU SAID YOU HAVE CAUGHT HIM DOING THAT BEFORE BUT YOU ARE GIVING HIM LEEWAY IN THIS GAME WHYYYYYYYYYYYYYY ARGGGGGH | ||
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On May 16 2015 01:39 KelsierSC wrote: I'm so confused right now. with regards to the whole mason thing I don't really understand what's happening can someone be so kind as to give who is in what mason chat and the order they were recruited because I am totally lost. If I ignore all that shit though I would lynch obi,onegu, RoL and oats. . Completely outside of the mason claims just how they have played seems scummy to me. I think it is odd that you would have two town aligned mason groups though. then again we seem to have like 18 kp or something so w/e. from TD i'd like to know the order he recruited and the reasons for doing so , if that has been provided I didn't see it in the filter. He already said it Damdred + marv day1, rsoultin night1 | ||
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Stick to analyse people and their reasons please. | ||
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Like, your Roman names. | ||
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On May 16 2015 03:49 Stutters695 wrote: I just got back to read. Why do you need this? Because WIFOM reasons. Since nobody will listen to reason, I want to be free like a bird and wifom | ||
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On May 16 2015 04:53 Stutters695 wrote: I don't like that reasoning but w/e, I doubt the assassin would need the name to kill me if he really wanted. I'm Brutus. So, you're the traitor | ||
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So after a lot of people being scumread, but palmar always sliding away from the radar, you, as a dream flower, shoots him fearless of dying, and get it right. Without having any real interaction in thread Without being cast strong suspicions at I highly doubt. And your name is Brutus LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL | ||
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http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marcus_Junius_Brutus_the_Younger "He is best known in modern times for taking a leading role in the assassination of Julius Caesar.[1]" I know a bit of history. And considering my role as a pardoner and that my name was Cicero, I know flavours have connection to their roles. I also know that I was kinda suspicious of your claim at the start of the day. That's because dream flowers (i) die if they kill town and (ii) has 2 shots. As the only role that shoots at night, you could only be a dream flower. But would someone that played like you day1, that had no interactions, that had no hard reasons to think Palmar was Mafia, shoot him and risk himself so much? Also, if you have 2kp, why wasting one with a claim right on the start of day2? You claimed for survival, not for helping town. You ARE the traitor. | ||
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On May 16 2015 06:12 GlowingBear wrote: Uh huh. http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marcus_Junius_Brutus_the_Younger "He is best known in modern times for taking a leading role in the assassination of Julius Caesar.[1]" I know a bit of history. And considering my role as a pardoner and that my name was Cicero, I know flavours have connection to their roles. I also know that I was kinda suspicious of your claim at the start of the day. That's because dream flowers (i) die if they kill town and (ii) has 2 shots. As the only role that shoots at night, you could only be a dream flower. But would someone that played like you day1, that had no interactions, that had no hard reasons to think Palmar was Mafia, shoot him and risk himself so much? Also, if you have 2kp, why wasting one with a claim right on the start of day2? You claimed for survival, not for helping town. You ARE the traitor. Also, please give me like 20 posts because I think I've already exceeded my post limit by A LOT | ||
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On May 16 2015 06:20 batsnacks wrote: Caesar was a tyrannical dictator. If we're doing flavor Brutus is town for assassinating him. He is also a traitor so lol? | ||
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On May 16 2015 06:23 Stutters695 wrote: Anyway, I'll humor your ridiculous thought for a second. I had missed the d1 vote and really hadn't done shit so I decided to shoot n1 rather than get myself involved in the d2 pool and potentially waste a day. I'd rather die at night than waste a lynch. Originally I wanted to shoot BH/Trfel to try and shed some light on the nuke fiasco but when I was reading through I saw VE/Droba/Marv all had Palmar as scummy. Reading his filter I was eh about it, but I respect their reads and Droba's post that implied Palmar might not be scum, but 3p sealed the deal since either way, as long as I don't hit town I live. Thus it seemed like a safe shot and even if I missed would generate info. Anyway, last post on that, I'm done with that topic. If you can't see how obviously town I am, that's on you. So you're saying you had VE/Sandroba/Marv as obvious town go sheep their reads? Even if they (well, just Sandroba) never voted Palmar? Even if VE hasn't done anything good on day1. Even if, you know, marv tried to vote FUCKING BH, FUCKING VIVAX before Palmar. And please, you voted palmar since the start of fay1 which implies you didn't scumread him AFTER reading their filters. | ||
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On May 16 2015 07:14 KelsierSC wrote: I'm torn between Onegu, Oats and Obi. my read on oats I am not particularly confident in, it was mainly based on his sniping of me around EOD and his voting of me and rudeness. with obi I think he's mafia but some other people think he's town, I don't really feel confident on this. With onegu he hasn't offered anything memorable to the game and has a minimal contribution, I liked the case that HtS brought up against him and I think that the vote EOD looks poor for him as he was deliberately not on either of the two town wagons , like palmar. Another more long term reason is that it will give me more information about obi and the state of the game right now, if onegu is mafia it probably means we have hit more mafia due to his lack of resistance to the lynch and his apparent low morale. ##vote onegu And this guy is confirmed Mafia for justifying a vote on Onegu right now without even caring for what is going on. | ||
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Why don't you SHOOT ME INSTEAD STUTTERS? | ||
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Onegu is an obvious mislynch and nobody is doing anything So whatever. See you guys later | ||
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Obvious town Onegu was obvious. | ||
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The way his wagon went on confirmed him as town. His play was also suicidal for a Mafia. It's a shame town isn't playing and I don't have the same persuasion skills as holyflare | ||
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HTS can be Mafia for her unusual drop of activity day2. She probably isn't because she gave me the crown. Yamato is obviously town. I don't believe this would be Guardians v2.0, specially because yamato was never scumread by other than me. I still think obi could be Mafia Lynch marv with fire | ||
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On May 16 2015 11:36 Oatsmaster wrote: Glowing bear, can you give me a scenario in which scum marv manages to trick town ve into believing that he and palmar are different alignments? Yes By having mason QT with both I'm actually disregarding everything regarding mason QTs since it is something I can't work with. Everything regarding it reeks WIFOM. I don't trust stutters claim and I think everything in his play fits the traitor | ||
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On May 16 2015 11:48 Oatsmaster wrote: Oh yeah why does scum marv add palmar into the Mason chat? How the fuck is it wifom. Traitor won't have kp and why would he play against his wincon????? He adds him so we reach the conclusion that marv can't be scum if palmar is, or if marv dies as scum, he didn't invite any town so palmar is town. Do you know what are the chances of this happening? The same as inviting only townies. Which means discussing it is WIFOM. Just fucking evaluate marv's gameplay in this game and tell me he is town. If you think he is, you're saying he is a player WORSE THAN I AM, because we both scumread BH, we both voted vivax day1, but I was able to see that Onegu was town and he couldn't. Mega lol. He is the traitor? So he can kill his Mafia partner? | ||
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On May 16 2015 11:56 yamato77 wrote: Traitor is a role that begins the game sharing a wincon with mafia but not knowing his teammates unless he correctly guesses a number of or the entire actual mafia team. OH! Oh. Oh... I thought traitors were mafia that had to kill a mafia in order to win the game. Heh. Heheheh. God this is embarassing. | ||
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We lynch marv and only marv Unless town doesn't lynch marv But I am voting no one else tomorrow in case I live. Which I hope I don't | ||
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On May 16 2015 12:15 LightningStrike wrote: I know it's like impossible that both are scum that why I asking him why Marv over TD. I'm not saying marv over TD. I'm saying marv. Because I AM IGNORING THOSE CLAIMS LS, it's all in my filter. Can you tell me why marv is town, in the other hand? | ||
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On May 16 2015 12:21 Oatsmaster wrote: Ignoring my defence of marv, why am I scum glowing bear? There's a case written on you with 3 items, oats. None of them were debunked. @obi: because I'm sure he is mafia. If he plays like this as town, he doesn't deserve the OMG IT'S FUCKING GOD MARV aura he has. | ||
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On May 16 2015 12:39 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: Okay let me just throw out what I'm thinking and you can let me know if it's possible or not. If Marv can only mason 1 person a cycle, and he's scum. He wouldn't mason palmar his first cycle, maybe his second once he got a town. There would be no point since they have their own topic. They could be doing some crazy wifom stuff, but it's unlikely. So if VE was invited second cycle then I wouldn't think its likely that Marv is scum based off that line of reasoning. If they both could get invited day 1 cycle then its possible Marv would of invited town + 1 scum in order to try to bully VE into agreeing with them via consensus if they thought VE might be swayed and people might care what he has to say.. Both VE and Palmar were added at the start of day1 | ||
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On May 16 2015 12:32 Oatsmaster wrote: I fucking answered them man. And it's not a good case. And it was written n1. Rol, ve confirmed that there was a qt with marv and palmar You answering them doesn't debunk them. Explaining yourself =/= telling me why my case is wrong. | ||
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I want you to debate about these posts. + Show Spoiler + On May 14 2015 14:07 VisceraEyes wrote: Why not shoot him and use that information to decide the lynch? We've already tried to lynch him and we lynched a townie. Just sayin. On May 14 2015 14:09 GlowingBear wrote: I just felt like YOLOing into JAT. He has a very good shot on being scum. On May 14 2015 14:11 VisceraEyes wrote: Meeeeeeehhhhhhhhhh. I called Palmar scum in my list and JAT agreed with it. Maybe he was pocketing me, but idk. BH shot just gives more info honestly. And gosh it would just make yamato SO HAPPY. ^^ On May 14 2015 14:16 VisceraEyes wrote: Meeeeeeeeehhhhhh. I have no strong feeling one way or the other. Sorry JAT. On May 14 2015 14:17 VisceraEyes wrote: Like I want to defend him, but I feel morally obligated not to. | ||
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On May 16 2015 12:52 LightningStrike wrote: Okay so first you didn't like the fact he was dodging you hard then found it suspicious that Marv was willing to tell his role to Sandroba, Damdred, and Palmar who he didn't trust at the time which is weird to do. My arguement for Marv being town was he was the first one to claim Mason Recruiter in a high chance of a counter claim but that is only it. No. 1) Marv's play is uninspiring, lurky, not actually trying to solve the game, voting people for weak reasons 2) Marv townread me because I was bad, and he knows I am bad as both alignments. He says that he can differ my scumbad to my townbad, but he doesn't explain how. Extremely dodgy 3) Marv raises suspicions on oats twice during day1. Never follow up this suspicion. Ignores me when I raise suspicions on oats but talks to me to say "BH is not the lynch". He saw those suspicions because this part of "BH is up for the lynch" was next to my suspicions on oats 4) Marv agrees with one point of my case on oats, does not say which point it is, say that he caught oats like that once AND COMPLETELY IGNORE OATS AGAIN. In other words: marv does not stick to his suspicions and rather vote on confirmed townies (BH, Vivax, Onegu) for weak reasons. Specially Onegu. | ||
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On May 16 2015 13:03 Oatsmaster wrote: ???????????? 1) unjustified town read. Clearly justified, bh same reasoning as me. 2) weird switches. Bm was scummy as fuck and that didn't need explaining xata wasn't gonna get lynched so vivax is scummier than bh. Ez. 3) don't remember shitty point. Oats I'm really not worried in lynching you at this point. I want marv first, and I have a very strong hunch that Kelsier is also mafia. I can deal with you day5 if I'm alive. Which I hope I'm not. | ||
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On May 16 2015 13:16 LightningStrike wrote: I saw early in your filter how you felt about Marv being lackluster (Although I do agree about his play being lack luster compared to Linux and Horns when I had played with him when he was town when he was playing pretty good esp in Horns in Day Phase before LYLO where we were looking for the last scum and he found the scum there) and his dodging is pretty bad esp about both of your reads on Oats and how he just didn't talk to you about Oats really. I think you should shoot Marv or just lynch him. You say this now? Also, I can't shoot anymore. Wish I did it yesterday. By the way, if you're really the Martyr, protect Yamato tonight. If he dies, I'll blame you. Also, RoL, can I take more of your posts please? I'm not aware of how much posts I'm wasting but I think I've used a lot. | ||
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On May 16 2015 13:55 LightningStrike wrote: I thought you still had the power to shoot o.o Okay we just lynching Marv then. Also if he dies and I alive it most likely means there is a roleblocker left for scum. If there is a roleblocker they will need to use on stutters | ||
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On May 16 2015 14:07 yamato77 wrote: trfel I would shoot trfel I still don't really think marv is mafia Because...? | ||
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On May 16 2015 14:18 yamato77 wrote: he posted three posts on D2? if you're talking about marv, idk man. Yeah, I was talking about marv, not truffle. I wanted to understand why you think marv is town other than he being mason | ||
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On May 16 2015 15:17 Trfel wrote: I didn't really play today because: 1. Yamato77 is town, and he's a better player than me 2. Yamato77 was pushing the lynch I wanted from Day 1 (Onegu) 3. There are a lot of very complex problems for which the Night 2 kills will shed an enormous amount of light on 4. I'm really, really lazy Since I'm bad, I've used an app to calculate the bullshit level of this post "Your text: 300 characters, 58 words Bullshit Index :0.03 Your text shows no or marginal indications of 'bullshit'-English." It seems it lacks bullshit I'm gonna start using it from now on http://www.blablameter.com/index.php | ||
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On May 17 2015 02:06 justanothertownie wrote: Basically your shot and especially stutters shot won the game. Everything else was completely irrelevant compared to that. We probably would have conceded directly after the day2 post if we could have. And I shitted the thread, which made the game more difficult to town. But anyway. | ||
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On May 17 2015 02:08 sandroba wrote: GB you mafia sided so much I started suspecting you after death lol. Exactly. I'm just bad | ||
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Congratulations to both him and sandroba for their very good gameplay, even if I couldn't realise it earlier. | ||
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On May 17 2015 02:14 justanothertownie wrote: It's fine at least you were obviously town. The pardon was ridiculously bad though. Yeah, I think that was the upside of my gameplay. I can establish my innocence easier. Anyway, gg! I liked this. | ||
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On May 17 2015 02:20 justanothertownie wrote: Well, there is a reason we shot them... I know, but I wanted to restate that. Sandroba was extremely town day1 by the way. His constant reevaluation of the players was... so good. | ||
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On May 17 2015 02:36 sandroba wrote: @GB thx man. I had a really hard time d1 over people giving me shit about my vivax town read and a couple weak reads on lurkers that I chose to relly on. I'm deffinitely not as confident about my reads as I used to be. Well, you're getting back to the game again. I want to play with you again. Why don't you /in in the next Student Newbie? I'm gonna play. And I promise I will never rely on WIFOM anymore. I promise. | ||
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On May 17 2015 02:56 sandroba wrote: I'm going to sign up for the next normal sized game that pops up, not really a fan of minis. You could join me on that instead? Sure. Count me on it. | ||
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On May 17 2015 02:48 Damdred wrote: I talked to td early about jat, it was brief but I thought he might of been Scum After the shot I was sure jat wouldn't so that as town mostly. I thought you were town GB it was just so frustrating reading some of the posts. Like I disagree with executing bh I think still, I would,of lynched him,over executing. Other than that the only thing if an say is try to work with people a little more and try to see things from different angles. Also I read in mafia qt about maybe Geript influenced my shot. He did partly, I was going to shoot bm much earlier in the day. But he advised me to wait doe Marvs recommendations and I said ok. Besides that I didn't check at just shot bm soon as I saw the pardon Lololol. No regrets, Gg all honestly it was a really fin game Yeah Damdy :/. I'm always too afraid of being pocketed. And sometimes I go full-sicklucker with WIFOM stuff. The moment I decided not to rely on WIFOMing name roles and mason claims, I stopped shitting the thread and got into the right track against marv. | ||
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On May 17 2015 03:13 Damdred wrote: That's the thing I think, I've talked about this with Yamato and I was guilty of some of it, bit trying to role hint or going through there's x in game so one has to be Scum isn't the way you win games like this. Which is why I'm really happy and enjoyed this game, mostly every one just tried to Scum hunt it felt like. Overall I think the blues mostly played well, it was still odd LS protected GB n1, no offense to,GB that was a weird protect. I'd like him to explain that one lol. Was a good game I really enjoyed my time in it Well, I was very town-looking, I could be a medic dodge | ||
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On May 17 2015 03:56 Damdred wrote: You might of been towny looking GB, but I was getting shot, sand was so towny it hurt. I just don't see you getting shot there, I mean that's no offense intended but like. Sand was getting shot np matter what I think, I was what I considered a 2nd tier shot, my power was used was mostly town read was right on one more Scum. Like I was expecting a Yamato flip who was super towny and a good player, a marv shot, or even a kel shot. You GB at that time were like a third level shot maybe,medic,dodge range. Your power was used, but don't really have the pull in thread this game to make it happen. That's a bit consulted, and me not knowing for sure I shot,mafia till afterwards made it a little,clearer. Yeah, I know this. That's why I'm saying I could be a medic dodge lol | ||
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I've played badly, I've being playing badly since my last newbie game (I blame the coaches), but you can't say that I'm never listened to. Holyflare was lynched in Carol because I kept tunneling him since day2 Marv was going to be lynched at some point and that is why I always kept pointing suspicions on him since he scumread Onegu day1 It's not because I'm playing badly half of the times that I'm playing badly. Tell me what's wrong with the points I've brought on marv. The last post answering LS. | ||
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I don't think roles was a problem with the Mafia assassin correctly guessing people. Also, most of town roles were a double edged knife. If Stutters wasn't ballsy to shoot palmar or shot another guy, Palmar would be alive and Stutters would be dead. RoL was a perfect lynch bait Onegu also, as day2 showed I have no idea why nobody from scum picked oats for the lynch. I guess you guys thought he was the traitor? Just think that one nuke and two shots were perfectly aimed. | ||
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