Assassination Mafia!

On April 28 2015 13:45 Hapahauli wrote:


For emphasis.

On May 05 2015 20:14 marvellosity wrote:
can we get a playerlist up? I wanna know if I wanna play

On May 07 2015 13:16 GlowingBear wrote:
/out

On May 07 2015 21:19 Oatsmaster wrote:
i promise i will.

On May 08 2015 02:14 Damdred wrote:
can i be really lazy this game or am i required to do things

On May 08 2015 13:32 Bill Murray wrote:
HF is overrated

On May 09 2015 01:47 marvellosity wrote:
no, no. no.

On May 10 2015 11:38 batsnacks wrote:
Oats is probably a 3rd party day mason with a 1 shot cop check based on his first post.

On May 10 2015 12:36 yamato77 wrote:
Tina
Damdy
Kels
Truffle
Bill
LS
HTS
Oats
batsnacks
Onegu
glowingbear

On May 11 2015 04:43 justanothertownie wrote:

I don't understand the rayn read and the mafia read for this post I understand even less.

On May 11 2015 05:59 sandroba wrote:
@LS this post was by talkinghead if you cared to read, but maybe my formating is not the best. Anyone who read it will know that I'm very suspicious of both TD and damdred. I didn't say anything about GB in my posts but if you must know I think GB is town.

Setup Information

Semi-Closed Setup
Alignment-only flip with 2 exceptions (Janitor/Day Vigi)
Mafia receive a pool of roles to select from pre-game.
Mafia KP is #Mafia/2 rounded up. Cannot ever be 3.


Plurality Lynch
PMs: Maybe (up to you, see poll below)
Replacements: Yes. If you don’t make the player list you go on replacement list.
Time Cycle: 48/24, Deadline at TBA

On May 11 2015 09:47 Half the Sky wrote:
1/60

Catching up a little bit before I go to bed since it's late here.





I want to draw attention to some of GB's comments.

He's advocating to shoot either of JAT or Marv, and then he thinks veterans are afraid to be the n0 kill.

GB, where exactly do you stand on JAT/Marv (or any of the veterans not posting)? And why?

Also I was scumreading you not for your list post but your reaction to Yamato's post. You commented "awesome" post - when there were a few red flags, and the fact that he coloured you red.

Do you have any thoughts on Yamato?

On May 11 2015 21:34 marvellosity wrote:

Did you really ask me a rhetorical question in a postcount limited game?

On May 11 2015 21:41 marvellosity wrote:

What more in depth is there to say? Literally everything I had to say about it I summed up succinctly already.

On May 11 2015 22:00 marvellosity wrote:
GB - you are too stupid to converse with.

Which sadly makes you less likely mafia. But I won't waste any posts talking to you after this one, unless i want to persue you for something.

On May 11 2015 22:03 marvellosity wrote:

no, I'm not.

you're bad though :D

On May 11 2015 22:20 KelsierSC wrote:
i realise i'm nearing post limit so going to summarise.

but firstly

##unvote

##vote Bill Murray

because random nuking trefl, getting overly defensive when someone calls them mafia for it, and then nuking that person is just so horrendous he is scum and should get the fuck out of the game.

aside from that

town
HTS
GB
Dam
RS
VE
BH
Marv
Sand
Palmar (don't why, just like him i guess)

would lynch
BM
TD
Xat
JAT
LS
Vixax, Stutters, RoL and other AFK's

everyone else is pretty null to me

On May 11 2015 22:30 Palmar wrote:

Idk, you don't really sound like a bitch and you really are a bitch when you're mafia.

Oh you weren't asking me were you?

On May 12 2015 06:50 Bill Murray wrote:

because palmar and marv are both mafia with BH like ive already said

On May 12 2015 07:39 KelsierSC wrote:


I think it's just not correct to say you "can't see it coming from a town perspective" maybe he judged trefl was town and decided not to let him get hit by a nuke. that feels townie to me.

some people are saying it isn't "optimal" because more info could have been gathered, whilst I agree I don't think that makes BH scummy. in the heat of the moment he saved someone he thought was town.

for the second nuke he waited a while and then decided to anti it, more in line with an optimal play, that nuke was terrible marv is clear town so that is a pro town move from BH. If BH is mafia it may have made sense to wait it out even longer and see if someone who is town uses an anti nuke to save marv. he can claim he has none left.

i don't really see the double standard, if people complain he acted to rashly with the first anti, to wait on the second.

I disagree with your analysis

On May 12 2015 07:56 KelsierSC wrote:


yes I understand that point, but I have also presented a case where BH is town, saying "you just can't see it being town" isn't true


consider yourself as mafia, someone nukes marv! who is likely town here, you can claim that you have no anti nukes left, but instead you decide to save him? that doesn't make sense to me.

On May 12 2015 08:13 Blazinghand wrote:






haha, i have no idea dude. shouldn't you be asking me about my reads on JAT (who I voted), or Trfel and Marv, who I saved? lern 2 interrogate



No need to get yourself down dude you can just move on to another person

On May 12 2015 08:20 yamato77 wrote:
glowingbear, just listen to me

EVEN IF BH is mafia, your argument is absolutely horrible and won't get him lynched

so just stop

people scumreading BM at this point are probably just bad.

we shouldn't lynch either of them, IMO

right now I'm more interested in JAT's potential return to playing the game in some sort of way that isn't excusing why his play is shit, and onegu's play going forward

On May 12 2015 10:54 yamato77 wrote:

No, he didn't, and that's why you'll always be bad.

On May 12 2015 12:17 Oatsmaster wrote:
Voting BM. There's no way he takes this game so seriously as town.

Xata is scum. BH also might be scum..

On May 12 2015 12:30 GlowingBear wrote:


I want to lynch you.

Very hard.

On May 12 2015 12:52 ObiWanShinobi wrote:


Uh? Bm has been dead serious about the last few games he's played regardless of alignment so wtf? Where is this coming from?

As an aside, the more BM posts the less I want to lynch him. I'm just having trouble finding another place for my vote atm.

##unvote

On May 12 2015 12:55 Oatsmaster wrote:

One nuke was fake and why not get cred?

Also bm basically killed someone at the start of the day. Does that sound townie to you? Nope. And all his reasoning is real sketchy but he's trying hard so he clearly cares. A townie that shoots someone at the start of the day does not care.

On May 12 2015 13:04 Oatsmaster wrote:
GB tell me, if someone dayvigged a townie on day 1, will you kill that someone?

On May 12 2015 13:05 Oatsmaster wrote:
Like lynch.

BM didnt nuke to look townie, what are you talking about GB.

I would deffo lynch xata

On May 12 2015 13:23 Oatsmaster wrote:

Wasnt the second nuke fake or something? I didnt see a host message.

On May 12 2015 13:41 Damdred wrote:
GB could you tell me what you think about

Xatalos, me and Palmar?

On May 12 2015 13:44 Oatsmaster wrote:
meh ok fine

On May 12 2015 20:44 Oatsmaster wrote:

dude you arent fucking lynching me again day 1 for no reason.

Ok lets lynch Xata then.

100% scum.
Im not even kidding

now BM is silly but I don't think this point you make makes him more or less mafia. I think a town would like to justify his actions when pressure is on him just as much as a mafia. I don't understand how you are so sure about this. I can understand and share the feeling of wanting to lynch him regardless just so he doesn't get away with this as mafia and I feel like a tard for letting it happen, but having seen BM's town play I deffinitely think it's just as much possible for him to be town in this spot, no matter how absurd his actions and reasons are.

On May 12 2015 21:17 sandroba wrote:
Except that he isn't tunneled. He was calling trfel town prior to that and made that post and flipped his read again. It look to me more that he was desperate and trying to get something to stick. I don't believe he was tunneled at all. He deliberately left out part of the first post and lied about the time between the 2 posts.

On May 12 2015 13:53 GlowingBear wrote:


Nononono not fine.

1) Why truffle is town? (You compared BM's nuke to a certain ##shoot townie)
2) Why were you scumreading BH?
3) Why Xatalos was a better lynch than BH?
4) Did you not realise the nuke and anti nukes wasting thing before?

On May 12 2015 23:47 Damdred wrote:
Idk what's happening in the thread I just woke up and saw that pardon, and I kist want to say dumbest thing ever. Bm could be town but having town talk about him for another day is stupid

##kill bill murry

back to catching up

On May 12 2015 23:56 justanothertownie wrote:

This is the only reason why the shot is not just really really good.

On May 13 2015 00:01 TalkingDead wrote:

Would you like a mirror?

On May 13 2015 00:42 rsoultin wrote:
meh gb unless you're voting a townread you've got my vote today -_-

i'm done

tired of beating my head against a wall. if people can't see why what damdred did was nonsensical i don't even know. it's less that he did it and that he did it WITH his current reads under THESE circumstances. whatever

On May 13 2015 00:47 Half the Sky wrote:
45/60

Marv - by that same token, do you think he's being vague in regards to Vivax or is that read from him reasonable? He's using meta as a reason to townread Vivax despite Vivax's wanting to trash his town meta (which I would think should make Sandroba disregard meta as well??).

But I was asking him to look into the content. His first few reads in the beginning were fine.



I can't comment on the VE read as I'm not even that familiar with VE now other than he doesn't strike me as a town leader. But I just didn't like his responses on Vivax.

In any case he's probably and shouldn't get lynched today for it, but I just found it dicey.

GB - Oatsmaster is a third choice for me behind Vivax/Xatalos. I think either of the latter two are more likely to get lynched over him.

Going to be back around EoD although I don't have too many posts left either.
(Any questions (anyone) ask away and I'll consolidate them to save posts.)

On May 13 2015 07:45 Blazinghand wrote:


Read obs qt or ask yam. I was lynched and immediately cashed yam scum

Sandro town now btw

##unvote
##vote xat

I must live

On May 13 2015 08:10 Blazinghand wrote:


Xat has more votes. I'll vote whoever has the most votes and isn't me

On May 12 2015 12:17 Oatsmaster wrote:
Voting BM. There's no way he takes this game so seriously as town.

Xata is scum. BH also might be scum..

On May 14 2015 10:39 TalkingDead wrote:

You're an idiot. Even if you got the ability from scum, who cares?

On May 14 2015 11:00 yamato77 wrote:
objectively, the best shot is BH

if he flips, we know a lot about what happened at EOD

On May 14 2015 13:15 VisceraEyes wrote:
No, that's just all I've mentioned. And yes, I didn't vote on D1. I had voted for BM, who was killed.

On May 14 2015 14:07 VisceraEyes wrote:

Why not shoot him and use that information to decide the lynch? We've already tried to lynch him and we lynched a townie. Just sayin.

On May 15 2015 01:09 VisceraEyes wrote:

I agree with him FWIW. Based on the information gathered by the shot (2 town leading the wagons D1, it seems likely that mafia were avoiding the main wagons D1, which you can kinda see illustrated with Palmar voting for RoL. In that case, Onegu looks bad for voting for rsoultin all day.

On May 15 2015 01:16 justanothertownie wrote:

Bro, I am already being nuked apparently.

On May 15 2015 01:22 justanothertownie wrote:

Yeah, you certainly make the best decisions on your own usually.

On May 15 2015 00:45 rsoultin wrote:


21/50

you know i really can't tell if i just think supremely differently than the rest of the world or i'm speaking swahili

you claim that you were in a "mason" qt with marvellosity, flipped scum palmar, and flipped town sandroba, do you not?

then scum apparently chooses to kill damdred and sandroba

and the conclusion you draw from that is that marvellosity is confirmed town?

palmar and marv weren't getting along in thread. palmar is not going to influence marvellosity that way. he should be dead if your story is true.

or he's very likely scum

yet the conclusion that you draw from it is that scum knows he's a mason and chose not to kill one of the best town players on the site xP

On May 15 2015 02:55 batsnacks wrote:
@gb

On May 15 2015 02:59 VisceraEyes wrote:

Yes, rsoultin was spouting nonsense and now she's dead. Was there some kind of point?

On May 15 2015 03:03 VisceraEyes wrote:
How is Onegu informationless? How is Xatalos any more informationful?

My shot makes perfect sense.

On May 15 2015 03:07 justanothertownie wrote:

Dude. You pardoned fucking bill murray. And now you attack VE for this perfectly fine shot.

On May 15 2015 03:08 VisceraEyes wrote:
Me? I don't know, I never said I thought JAT was mafia. I didn't shoot JAT.

On May 15 2015 03:11 VisceraEyes wrote:
Listen GB, the only confirmed mafia we've killed was on NEITHER wagon. So it's reasonable to assume, as you did, that mafia were passive. Onegu AFK voted for rsoultin, someone you're citing RIGHT NOW incriminating me. You should be just fine with an Onegu lynch, unless I'm missing something.

On May 15 2015 03:14 yamato77 wrote:
Stop fucking listening to JAT.

He's dead scum, literally useless to the thread.

HTS, comment on the fucking Onegu lynch I'm leading or you're next.

On May 15 2015 03:26 batsnacks wrote:


I don't like the cut of your jib, friend. Jat is town anyway.

On May 11 2015 23:40 batsnacks wrote:
I wish I had some nukes. My abilities are pleb tier.

On May 12 2015 22:21 batsnacks wrote:
##vote Sandroba

I found probable mafia. Unfortunately I can't explain it without claiming. It's weird though because sandroba did nothing last game as mafia and now he's talking a lot.

On May 15 2015 04:02 batsnacks wrote:


Basically I claimed vt subtly and Jat, rs, and oats picked up on it immediately. I think this was early enough in the game that mafia wouldn't have asked for fakes yet.

VE, yamato, BH, LS, and you (GB) all blatantly missed it so you're all most likely either blues or mafia.

Sandro also picked up on it btw but I missed it because I wasn't reading and was afk at eod. So voting Sandro was a mistake.

On May 15 2015 05:47 justanothertownie wrote:

No offense but that is the worst read in the whole game.

On May 15 2015 05:54 VisceraEyes wrote:

What are you talking about? Only marv is a mason recruiter...unless I'm missing something somewhere?

On May 15 2015 06:24 TalkingDead wrote:

For the most part, Marv made his points but he was happy to let Damdred and I do whatever we felt was best. He was fine with me waiting to join BH so I could watch how votes/wagons formed and he was interested in the Vivax thing despite being high.

Damdred and Marv I picked because I feel like I can read him well and he's a really strong player. Damdred I didn't think woudl try to figure out (or out if he knew) my smurf and Marv wouldn't either as he hates when his smurfs are outed.

Yamato I picked because he's a strong player that I wanted connected in the mason chain.
Rsoultin I picked because I didn't think she had much experience with QT play from both sides and would be easier to get a read on in direct contact

I was going to pick Sandroba and Rsoultin, but Marv wanted to grab Sandroba and he knows Sandroba much better than I do so it was fine.

On May 12 2015 23:41 marvellosity wrote:

I'm not sure I get the rationale of a mafia-Palmar honing in on a target with the history that you have with each other. Palmar's played plenty of games with you (probably only more with me + VE) and realistically if he wanted to choose a prominent player to target, he should have chosen me, because he loves to scumread me no matter my alignment. Instead he chose you, when (if i'm wrong, correct me) you have quite a good history of trying to read each other.

I like to think I am pretty good at reading Palmar normally and he can easily get into stupid dumb tunnels as town

in the situation of sandroba-town and palmar-mafia, gunning for you seems like a kinda suicidal play with no upsides for him, so i think this can be town-town

On May 15 2015 06:48 LightningStrike wrote:

That was made a few irl days ago so ofc we now know it was Town on Scum there between Sandroba and Palmar.

On May 14 2015 04:20 TalkingDead wrote:
A few important things. Rsoultin's large posts are really, really off. When I have more time to write up a whole thing I'll do so, but there's very little sense being made in them and she's flat out lying about a few things.

More importantly, I want to address Blazinghand's recent scumclaim here. Blazinghand is an experienced player.

This is the most absolutely passive way I've ever seen BH talk about someone as scum. Blazinghand as a player and as a person is exceptionally cocky. Not confident, cocky. He is not unknown for screaming that someone's scum. He will out-talk, speak over other players, bully players, wiggle and litigate arguments, etc. just to get his point across. Blazinghand as town in no fucking way is he ever passive. Occaisionally, he will not play as town or not play as scum. But he's not a player to beat around the bush. As town, he's not going to mince his words. As town, BH will flat out call people scum; scream it from the heavens repeating and readjusting his argument just to convince people to vote with him. THIS IS NOT TOWN BH!!!! Town BH doesn't loosely be willing to agree to talk about how BH thinks a person is scum.

Second...

Town!BH does not intentially try to out people during the night phase. Generally, outing blues in the night phase is pretty terrible play and BH has scolded people before for doing so. However, this type of play is one that's often seen on video mafia. There are a few potential options that BH is trying to do here:
1. BH is traitor and is trying to get mafia to consider an NK for blue snipe on Batsnacks
2. BH is mafia and is trying to setup a blue claim for his partner Batsnacks
3. BH is town and is trying to get mafia to kill lynchbait Batsnacks
Here's the thing though, BH scolded GlowingBear here for not knowing about no N0 NKs. He knows that roles didn't go out until the end of N0. So BH is in part trying to establish a blue argument on a player based on the 13th post in the game. BH is clearly not trying or thinking critically here because that argument is the dumbfuckfest central. Then he goes on to point out the Batsnacks soft claim. As town, why would BH ever point this out during the night phase? Maybe it's Batsnacks trying to take a bullet. Maybe it's actually a soft. I don't know. But there's literally no point for BH to direct the soft to the thread's attention as town. The potential loss is almost always greater than the potential gain. BH is a player who is will to take risks as any alignment, but this one is that I don't think I've ever seen him take before as town while at least once arguing against such play. So it's pretty easy to eliminate option 3. I don't care if it's 1 or 2, either way he's not town for it.

Marv made an exceptionally sexy post about BH that I want to highlight. When I was looking at BH before and after the lynch, there was at least one exceptionally interesting thing about him. BH deflects from pressure. I don't mean that he pushes it on to other people. Rather, he takes the weakest point of anyone's argument and straw mans the argument so that he looks better. Instead of ever engaging or responding to good arguments (like the one I made that yamato responds to or the extended case the Marv wrote), never once does he address them. In the early case, he engages GlowingBear's weaker argument, never responds to mine and allows thread sentiment to just shift into BillMurray in the silence. In the case of Marv's argument, he interacts with everyone else around Marv's argument. He gets into a shitflinging fest with yamato. He explains how he'll be at dinner for 23 straight hours. He never actually bothers to respond to the main points because it lends credence to the points themselves. While this avoidance is reasonable to good play to avoid being lynched, it is rather telling that BH has continued to play this way.

Building upon a point Marv had made earlier, BH clearly isn't thinking or reading critically in any sense. He tried to point out Batsnacks for being blue based on a post that batty wrote after alignments were handed out but before roles were. I ask you, do you really think that Blazinghand is the type of person or player to not think while he's playing? Does he have a tendency as town to show a pattern of not critically thinking about the game in any realistic sense? Do you not want to lynch the ever living fuck out of him?

On May 16 2015 01:04 marvellosity wrote:
you're essentially scumreading me by association with an unflipped player because i don't want to lynch who you want to lynch, it's super cute

On May 16 2015 01:35 marvellosity wrote:
I don't think you understand the syllogism thing at all, dear, because that doesn't make any sense whatsoever. I've never lynched syllogism.

and pls, after i saw 2 of your scumgames in a row, your scumbad is totally different from your fucked-up townbad.

On May 16 2015 01:39 KelsierSC wrote:
I'm so confused right now.

with regards to the whole mason thing I don't really understand what's happening can someone be so kind as to give who is in what mason chat and the order they were recruited because I am totally lost.

If I ignore all that shit though I would lynch obi,onegu, RoL and oats. . Completely outside of the mason claims just how they have played seems scummy to me.

I think it is odd that you would have two town aligned mason groups though. then again we seem to have like 18 kp or something so w/e.

from TD i'd like to know the order he recruited and the reasons for doing so , if that has been provided I didn't see it in the filter.

On May 16 2015 03:49 Stutters695 wrote:

I just got back to read. Why do you need this?

On May 16 2015 04:53 Stutters695 wrote:

I don't like that reasoning but w/e, I doubt the assassin would need the name to kill me if he really wanted. I'm Brutus.

On May 16 2015 06:12 GlowingBear wrote:
Uh huh.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marcus_Junius_Brutus_the_Younger

"He is best known in modern times for taking a leading role in the assassination of Julius Caesar.[1]"

I know a bit of history.

And considering my role as a pardoner and that my name was Cicero, I know flavours have connection to their roles.

I also know that I was kinda suspicious of your claim at the start of the day. That's because dream flowers (i) die if they kill town and (ii) has 2 shots.

As the only role that shoots at night, you could only be a dream flower.

But would someone that played like you day1, that had no interactions, that had no hard reasons to think Palmar was Mafia, shoot him and risk himself so much?
Also, if you have 2kp, why wasting one with a claim right on the start of day2? You claimed for survival, not for helping town.

You ARE the traitor.

On May 16 2015 06:20 batsnacks wrote:
Caesar was a tyrannical dictator. If we're doing flavor Brutus is town for assassinating him.

On May 16 2015 06:23 Stutters695 wrote:
Anyway, I'll humor your ridiculous thought for a second. I had missed the d1 vote and really hadn't done shit so I decided to shoot n1 rather than get myself involved in the d2 pool and potentially waste a day. I'd rather die at night than waste a lynch. Originally I wanted to shoot BH/Trfel to try and shed some light on the nuke fiasco but when I was reading through I saw VE/Droba/Marv all had Palmar as scummy. Reading his filter I was eh about it, but I respect their reads and Droba's post that implied Palmar might not be scum, but 3p sealed the deal since either way, as long as I don't hit town I live. Thus it seemed like a safe shot and even if I missed would generate info.


Anyway, last post on that, I'm done with that topic. If you can't see how obviously town I am, that's on you.

On May 16 2015 07:14 KelsierSC wrote:
I'm torn between Onegu, Oats and Obi.

my read on oats I am not particularly confident in, it was mainly based on his sniping of me around EOD and his voting of me and rudeness.

with obi I think he's mafia but some other people think he's town, I don't really feel confident on this.

With onegu he hasn't offered anything memorable to the game and has a minimal contribution, I liked the case that HtS brought up against him and I think that the vote EOD looks poor for him as he was deliberately not on either of the two town wagons , like palmar.
Another more long term reason is that it will give me more information about obi and the state of the game right now, if onegu is mafia it probably means we have hit more mafia due to his lack of resistance to the lynch and his apparent low morale.

##vote onegu

On May 16 2015 11:23 LightningStrike wrote:

How was he obvious town?

On May 16 2015 11:36 Oatsmaster wrote:
Glowing bear, can you give me a scenario in which scum marv manages to trick town ve into believing that he and palmar are different alignments?

On May 16 2015 11:48 Oatsmaster wrote:
Oh yeah why does scum marv add palmar into the Mason chat?

How the fuck is it wifom.

Traitor won't have kp and why would he play against his wincon?????

On May 16 2015 11:56 yamato77 wrote:
Traitor is a role that begins the game sharing a wincon with mafia but not knowing his teammates unless he correctly guesses a number of or the entire actual mafia team.

On May 16 2015 12:15 LightningStrike wrote:

I know it's like impossible that both are scum that why I asking him why Marv over TD.

On May 16 2015 12:21 Oatsmaster wrote:
Ignoring my defence of marv, why am I scum glowing bear?

On May 16 2015 12:39 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
Okay let me just throw out what I'm thinking and you can let me know if it's possible or not. If Marv can only mason 1 person a cycle, and he's scum. He wouldn't mason palmar his first cycle, maybe his second once he got a town. There would be no point since they have their own topic. They could be doing some crazy wifom stuff, but it's unlikely. So if VE was invited second cycle then I wouldn't think its likely that Marv is scum based off that line of reasoning.

If they both could get invited day 1 cycle then its possible Marv would of invited town + 1 scum in order to try to bully VE into agreeing with them via consensus if they thought VE might be swayed and people might care what he has to say..

On May 16 2015 12:32 Oatsmaster wrote:

I fucking answered them man.
And it's not a good case.
And it was written n1.

Rol, ve confirmed that there was a qt with marv and palmar