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Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
May 04 2015 02:21 GMT
#53
/in i am done with finals and promise to not be disruptive
University of Kentucky Basketball #1
Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
May 08 2015 04:31 GMT
#101
why is my name in all caps?
University of Kentucky Basketball #1
Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
May 08 2015 04:32 GMT
#103
HF is overrated
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Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
May 08 2015 23:31 GMT
#154
i like how pregame signup went through overrated stage and has now breached post overrated stage due to mod interference
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Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
May 10 2015 02:11 GMT
#184
Hey guys. This is going to be tremendous fun. With a group of players this good, I know that I will be improving my play. I don't care to give some general questions for everyone as well.

1) How do you rate yourself in terms of your play?

2) How do you rate others in terms of their play?

3) What would you change about your play?
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Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
May 10 2015 04:37 GMT
#212
here bro
##give 6 posts to Damdred
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Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
May 10 2015 06:27 GMT
#222
Just because I am not posting doesn't mean I am not reading.
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Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
May 10 2015 08:13 GMT
#229
I don't play nice in games that have walls of texts. I am out of posts after this post, but just know that I did what I did to save all of you from my saltyness.
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Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
May 10 2015 09:39 GMT
#231
rsoultin what oatsmaster was saying is that your posts are hard to read, not literally impossible to read....
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Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
May 10 2015 09:40 GMT
#232
Oh I've been filter diving. Didn't expect anyone to post.

As per "This rule will not be absolutely strictly enforced" in the op

I hope going 3 posts over isn't a big deal... because I have been working on a massive post tomorrow.
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Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
May 11 2015 04:10 GMT
#398
TalkingDead
Oatsmaster
HalftheSky

I've read all three of you pushing suspicions my way
When I bag scum with this (Trfel was super active last game, and is literally just skimping by posting to not put his neck out there this game) I want you all to bow down to me.
##Nuke: Trfel
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Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
May 11 2015 04:14 GMT
#400
I agree Kelsier. 100%. He is tunnelvisioned too.

That town-town shit was shady. I didn't like how rude he was to you, and it was very frustrating not being able to post about it due to giving my posts away to Damdred. Every single post Damdred made, however, made me smile.

Whoever it was... OWS or someone... Who said Damdred was crazy... Completely disagree with them
University of Kentucky Basketball #1
Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
May 11 2015 04:18 GMT
#401
Wow I should have nuked fucking Palmar

Guy has even less activity than Trfel

Very unusual for Palmar
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Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
May 11 2015 04:21 GMT
#403
I wouldn't feel comfortable lynching Sandroba or TD. Both are contributing. There are a lot of people who are just coasting by. My first 2 filters of the night have produced 2 suspicions (Trfel, Palmar) one of which I've already acted on with one of my nukes.
University of Kentucky Basketball #1
Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
May 11 2015 04:42 GMT
#411
I guess I'm just used to Palmar from a few years ago.

Vivax hasn't posted yet... a few others I've seen with like 1 post

RebithofLegend pops to mind... his one post was... weird... though... Full of Allcaps and just generally sarcastic and scummy.
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Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
May 11 2015 04:45 GMT
#412
Stutters695 has one post.

On May 11 2015 04:34 VisceraEyes wrote:
It's always funny when people say me actually coming in to play a game is weird or "out of place". I signed up for the game, what's weird about me coming to play it? Reeks of trying to discredit everything I say before I say it to me. LOL

@VE in the bolded, were you saying people are slandering you? Who was doing this?

On May 11 2015 13:24 Damdred wrote:
I actually don't like xatalos currently. Obviously post count might have something to do with it.

But he's really in the shadows and not doing much or taking a stance in a lot of the important things in the thread when he's here.

For example if you look in his filter (I wish I could quote) there's one post strictly to ksc that caught my attention. It doesn't take a stance on anything asks jsc opinion and not much comes of it. It just looks like doing things just to do them.

He's actually on my scum list atm.

(8)

I just filtered Xatalos and I completely agree with you

he feels like the Foolishness style scum that is trying to coast by a few days before he does anything

Good find, Damdred
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Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
May 11 2015 12:46 GMT
#469
Marv I would advise you stop voting me if you want to win this game
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Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
May 11 2015 12:48 GMT
#472
Marv is just scum who doesnt want to keep a powerful town role around
##vote: marv

honestly I summed up why Im nuking Trfel. I played with him last game and he was wayyyy more active early on. He was the first post in the thread, and was dominating thread sentiment D1. I'm seeing a polar opposite from him.
University of Kentucky Basketball #1
Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
May 11 2015 12:49 GMT
#475
that wasnt my only nuke
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Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
May 11 2015 12:51 GMT
#477
yeah ok marv is obviously mafia
University of Kentucky Basketball #1
Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
May 11 2015 12:51 GMT
#478
his case is so reaching it hurts

1) appeal to thread sentiment (many have wnated to lynch me)
2) catch me with my pants down
3) pounce
4) lynch a blue

it's scum 101
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Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
May 11 2015 12:55 GMT
#480
the only red color here is you and you're so red you might as well be in communist russia
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Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
May 11 2015 13:00 GMT
#486
##nuke: Marvellosity
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Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
May 11 2015 13:00 GMT
#487
going to sleep...
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Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
May 11 2015 16:50 GMT
#587
Half the Sky you say I listed you at random when you clearly posted this earlier: So I'm curious to see why he has BM in one category versus Bats/BH in a worse category. Not differentiating is either him making a list post to get out of determining people's alignment (and I hear he doesn't play as scum) or a double standard, either of which look scummy.
University of Kentucky Basketball #1
Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
May 11 2015 16:51 GMT
#588
I realize now what you meant but I guess I misread it before

and the differentiation between the lurkers is because Trfel is obviously mafia to me this game

if my nuke doesnt land on him im going to vote him. I am admittedly a little behind this game and need to catch up
University of Kentucky Basketball #1
Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
May 11 2015 16:57 GMT
#593
i dont like wasting a lynch on an inactive that is going to be modkilled where they havent posted in 72 hours but it's better than the alternative.

if my nuke doesnt land look into

Trfel
Blazinghand
Palmar
Marvellosity
KelsierSC

Pretty sure Blazinghand is just obvious at this point but the other 2 non veterans on this list might be more in depth for me.

Trfel is meta, Kelsier is more of reaction based on why I feel this way

I need to go back to sleep, will post more when I wake up.
University of Kentucky Basketball #1
Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
May 11 2015 16:59 GMT
#595
On May 12 2015 01:54 Half the Sky wrote:
14/60

Show nested quote +
On May 12 2015 01:50 Bill Murray wrote:
Half the Sky you say I listed you at random when you clearly posted this earlier: So I'm curious to see why he has BM in one category versus Bats/BH in a worse category. Not differentiating is either him making a list post to get out of determining people's alignment (and I hear he doesn't play as scum) or a double standard, either of which look scummy.


I know I had you at null BM.

In reference to the quote you posted, I wasn't scumreading you for that. I was scumreading Yamato for that.

Show nested quote +
On May 11 2015 02:38 Half the Sky wrote:
4/10

[...]

Things that jumped out at me:

Yamato's list post - Bats/BH/Bill Murray all fall into the category (null so far) of having posted much about nothing, nothing in terms of figuring out people's alignment.

So I'm curious to see why he has BM in one category versus Bats/BH in a worse category. Not differentiating is either him making a list post to get out of determining people's alignment (and I hear he doesn't play as scum) or a double standard, either of which look scummy.


At no point did I scumread you pre-game.

Clearly you need to read more carefully or read to begin with :/

yeah it was a mistake

i wasnt even wagonning talkingdead for the record

i cant be the leading votegetter when I fire a nuke or it doesnt work

i dont know why my nuke @ marv isnt working I think the moderator is messed up I even doublechecked my role PM....

OH WELL

but back on topic I dont really read into you or talkingdead talking about me as being negative I see you all as likely town. Marv is probably scum for the way that he got a wagon on me when I'm an obvious blue to him. Look who Marv/Palmar are pushing... me and blazinghand... but they are FoSing blazinghand and voting me... Go figure. Jeep tell 101.
University of Kentucky Basketball #1
Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
May 11 2015 17:01 GMT
#596
On May 12 2015 01:58 Half the Sky wrote:
15/60

Pfff, you ninjaed me BM.

Show nested quote +
On May 12 2015 01:51 Bill Murray wrote:
I realize now what you meant but I guess I misread it before

and the differentiation between the lurkers is because Trfel is obviously mafia to me this game

if my nuke doesnt land on him im going to vote him. I am admittedly a little behind this game and need to catch up


Alright, so you still think Trfel is the way to go then. Do you think anything he HAS posted is screaming scum?

Second part of this post aimed at Damdred -

Show nested quote +
On May 12 2015 01:41 Damdred wrote:
Can we not policy lynch vivax today XD maybe a day vig could just take him out lol.

I agree roughly that the pregame where BM gave his posts up and didn't do much is kinda meh. It helped me immensely at that juncture though. As such the excuse that BM used to fire the nuke isn't necessarily the least believable thing I've ever read. It's based on meta yes but I didn't feel it was horrible, it could of led to some really useful information and its a pity that it didn't. (10)


I explained prior that BH's anti-nuke could be town or mafia motivated. Where do you stand on this (given the bolded statement)?

it's about timing. the last game i played with him he was literally the first post in the thread, and carried the game. we actually had to ask him to quit posting. it wasn't necessarily the gigantic wall posts that bugged me, but he, as town, misrepresents people nearly on purpose to piss them off

he is a lot more defensive this game
University of Kentucky Basketball #1
Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
May 11 2015 18:48 GMT
#681
##Nuke: Trfel
University of Kentucky Basketball #1
Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
May 11 2015 18:48 GMT
#683
This one wont fire because I have the most votes.
University of Kentucky Basketball #1
Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
May 11 2015 18:49 GMT
#684
I have one left. One or more of them are fake, and I don't know which. My role has really weird flavor.
University of Kentucky Basketball #1
Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
May 11 2015 18:54 GMT
#688
On May 12 2015 03:50 Trfel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 12 2015 03:48 Bill Murray wrote:
This one wont fire because I have the most votes.
Oh, good.

##vote Bill Murray

Let's keep it that way.

yeah i knew you were scum

should have been voting you from the start you were my first suspicion given the discrepancy from how you're posting this game compared to the last one i played in when you were obv town

##vote: trfel
University of Kentucky Basketball #1
Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
May 11 2015 18:55 GMT
#690
On May 12 2015 03:54 TalkingDead wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 11 2015 22:00 Bill Murray wrote:
##nuke: Marvellosity

Show nested quote +
On May 11 2015 22:00 Bill Murray wrote:
##unvote
##vote: TalkingDead


Pretty interesting that he takes time to make sure he can launch a nuke this time.

And Stutters you're right, he wasn't. I was thinking of last votecount.

yeah i was going to clarify that for you, but trfel instantly responded to my proving it to you... because he is ac... wait he was actively lurking as town last game too... maybe he is town...
University of Kentucky Basketball #1
Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
May 11 2015 18:56 GMT
#691
##unvote
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Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
May 11 2015 18:57 GMT
#692
I guess I'm just going to keep my vote on Vivax. I was the first to call him out on not posting for 3 days and what he has done since coming back has been 2nd worse in the entire thread

I realize my play this game has been shit and put an easy target on my back for the mafia

I'd like to point out that Onegu is clearly anti town too if you want to look into that
University of Kentucky Basketball #1
Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
May 11 2015 19:00 GMT
#693
On May 10 2015 09:05 Onegu wrote:
Im Town GRUMBLE GRUMBLE... My previous 46% is taking a hit. Im not happy about this one bit...

really?

On May 10 2015 09:54 Onegu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 10 2015 09:50 batsnacks wrote:
17. Sui / Following

above TUI THE JOYOUS, LAKE
below CHêN THE AROUSING, THUNDER

The trigram Tui, the Joyous, whose attribute is gladness, is above; Chên, the
Arousing, which has the attribute of movement, is below. Joy in movement
induces following. The Joyous is the youngest daughter, while the Arousing
is the eldest son. An older man defers to a young girl and shows her
consideration. By this he moves her to follow him.

THE JUDGMENT

FOLLOWING has supreme success.
Perseverance furthers. No blame.

In order to obtain a following one must first know how to adapt oneself. If a
man would rule he must first learn to serve, for only in this way does he
secure from those below him the joyous assent that is necessary if they are to
follow him. If he has to obtain a following by force or cunning, by conspiracy
or by creating faction, he invariably arouses resistance, which obstructs
willing adherence. But even joyous movement can lead to evil
consequences, hence the added stipulation, "Perseverance furthers" --that is,
consistency in doing right-- together with "No blame." Just as we should not
ask others to follow us unless this condition is fulfilled, so it is only under
this condition that we can in turn follow others without coming to harm.
The thought of obtaining a following through adaptation to the demands of
the time is a great and significant idea; this is why the appended judgment is
so favorable.

THE IMAGE

Thunder in the middle of the lake:
The image of FOLLOWING.
Thus the superior man at nightfall
Goes indoors for rest and recuperation.

In the autumn electricity withdraws into the earth again and rests. Here it is
the thunder in the middle of the lake that serves as the image--thunder in its
winter rest, not thunder in motion. The idea of following in the sense of
adaptation to the demands of the time grows out of this image. Thunder in
the middle of the lake indicates times of darkness and rest. Similarly, a
superior man, after being tirelessly active all day, allows himself rest and
recuperation at night. No situation can become favorable until one is able to
adapt to it and does not wear himself out with mistaken resistance.

THE LINES

°Nine at the beginning means:
The standard is changing.
Perseverance brings good fortune.
To go out of the door in company
Produces deeds.

There are exceptional conditions in which the relation between leader and
followers changes. It is implicit in the idea of following and adaptation that if
one wants to lead others, one must remain accessible and responsive to the
views of those under him. At the same time, however, he must have firm
principles, so that he does not vacillate where there is only a question of
current opinion. Once we are ready to listen to the opinions of others, we
must not associate exclusively with people who share our views or with
members of our own party; instead, we must go out and mingle freely with
all sorts of people, friends or foes. That is the only way to achieve something.

°Nine in the fifth place means:
Sincere in the good. Good fortune.

Every man must have something he follows--something that serves him as a
lodestar. He who follows with conviction the beautiful and the good may feel
himself strengthened by this saying.

°Six at the top means:
He meets with firm allegiance
And is still further bound.
The king introduces him
To the Western Mountain.

This refers to a man, an exalted sage, who has already put the turmoil of the
world behind him. But a follower appears who understands him and is not
to be put off. So the sage comes back into the world and aids the other in his
work. Thus there develops an eternal tie between the two.
The allegory is chosen from the annals of the Chou dynasty. The rulers of
this dynasty honored men who had served them well by awarding them a
place in the royal family's temple of ancestors on the Western Mountain. In
this way they were regarded as sharing in the destiny of the ruling family.



I have... No... Idea... What... IS.... Going... On...

ok?

On May 10 2015 09:57 Onegu wrote:
Man I really hope I get the traitor just realized I can get that. Then I can be scum!!!

......REALLY? this is what I was talking about

On May 10 2015 14:23 Onegu wrote:
Im going to waste posts on a N0 where we arent going to lynch anyone anyway. So suck it. And +1 to Bats. ^ Im drinking...

come on.

On May 11 2015 05:13 Onegu wrote:
@ TalkingDead Traitor is totes in this game... Read OP, but I cant be it because I didnt read hapas post...

@rsoul Acknowledging you, But this is like my 6th straight town game

@GB I always want to roll scum, well known fact.

@yamato did you roll scum again?

@bats you really expected me to understand that lol... And then you expected ONEGU to comprehend it lol nice.

@LS ignoring me

@everyone else <3 I AM ONEGU!!!




such an in depth post of analysis here from onegu... not.
iioa

On May 12 2015 01:20 Onegu wrote:
Yup Id still sheep him, Someone smart once said learning to sheep is a very good mafia skill. Dont agree with him on BH but yeah id sheep him still


Read that bolded.
I didn't want to out this for fear of helping mafia find him but onegu is 100% the traitor
University of Kentucky Basketball #1
Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
May 11 2015 21:22 GMT
#743
I feel like Blazinghand's role is completely bullshit
it's like I don't even have a role.
University of Kentucky Basketball #1
Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
May 11 2015 21:25 GMT
#747
##vote: onegu
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Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
May 11 2015 21:26 GMT
#749
On May 12 2015 04:02 Trfel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 12 2015 03:55 Bill Murray wrote:
On May 12 2015 03:54 TalkingDead wrote:
On May 11 2015 22:00 Bill Murray wrote:
##nuke: Marvellosity

On May 11 2015 22:00 Bill Murray wrote:
##unvote
##vote: TalkingDead


Pretty interesting that he takes time to make sure he can launch a nuke this time.

And Stutters you're right, he wasn't. I was thinking of last votecount.

yeah i was going to clarify that for you, but trfel instantly responded to my proving it to you... because he is ac... wait he was actively lurking as town last game too... maybe he is town...
Can you prove the bolded?

easily
University of Kentucky Basketball #1
Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
May 11 2015 21:26 GMT
#750
On May 12 2015 06:25 Trfel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 12 2015 04:02 Trfel wrote:
On May 12 2015 03:55 Bill Murray wrote:
On May 12 2015 03:54 TalkingDead wrote:
On May 11 2015 22:00 Bill Murray wrote:
##nuke: Marvellosity

On May 11 2015 22:00 Bill Murray wrote:
##unvote
##vote: TalkingDead


Pretty interesting that he takes time to make sure he can launch a nuke this time.

And Stutters you're right, he wasn't. I was thinking of last votecount.

yeah i was going to clarify that for you, but trfel instantly responded to my proving it to you... because he is ac... wait he was actively lurking as town last game too... maybe he is town...
Can you prove the bolded?
Bill Murray, can you please respond to this?

way to ninja me
University of Kentucky Basketball #1
Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
May 11 2015 21:27 GMT
#751
On May 12 2015 04:00 Bill Murray wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 10 2015 09:05 Onegu wrote:
Im Town GRUMBLE GRUMBLE... My previous 46% is taking a hit. Im not happy about this one bit...

really?

Show nested quote +
On May 10 2015 09:54 Onegu wrote:
On May 10 2015 09:50 batsnacks wrote:
17. Sui / Following

above TUI THE JOYOUS, LAKE
below CHêN THE AROUSING, THUNDER

The trigram Tui, the Joyous, whose attribute is gladness, is above; Chên, the
Arousing, which has the attribute of movement, is below. Joy in movement
induces following. The Joyous is the youngest daughter, while the Arousing
is the eldest son. An older man defers to a young girl and shows her
consideration. By this he moves her to follow him.

THE JUDGMENT

FOLLOWING has supreme success.
Perseverance furthers. No blame.

In order to obtain a following one must first know how to adapt oneself. If a
man would rule he must first learn to serve, for only in this way does he
secure from those below him the joyous assent that is necessary if they are to
follow him. If he has to obtain a following by force or cunning, by conspiracy
or by creating faction, he invariably arouses resistance, which obstructs
willing adherence. But even joyous movement can lead to evil
consequences, hence the added stipulation, "Perseverance furthers" --that is,
consistency in doing right-- together with "No blame." Just as we should not
ask others to follow us unless this condition is fulfilled, so it is only under
this condition that we can in turn follow others without coming to harm.
The thought of obtaining a following through adaptation to the demands of
the time is a great and significant idea; this is why the appended judgment is
so favorable.

THE IMAGE

Thunder in the middle of the lake:
The image of FOLLOWING.
Thus the superior man at nightfall
Goes indoors for rest and recuperation.

In the autumn electricity withdraws into the earth again and rests. Here it is
the thunder in the middle of the lake that serves as the image--thunder in its
winter rest, not thunder in motion. The idea of following in the sense of
adaptation to the demands of the time grows out of this image. Thunder in
the middle of the lake indicates times of darkness and rest. Similarly, a
superior man, after being tirelessly active all day, allows himself rest and
recuperation at night. No situation can become favorable until one is able to
adapt to it and does not wear himself out with mistaken resistance.

THE LINES

°Nine at the beginning means:
The standard is changing.
Perseverance brings good fortune.
To go out of the door in company
Produces deeds.

There are exceptional conditions in which the relation between leader and
followers changes. It is implicit in the idea of following and adaptation that if
one wants to lead others, one must remain accessible and responsive to the
views of those under him. At the same time, however, he must have firm
principles, so that he does not vacillate where there is only a question of
current opinion. Once we are ready to listen to the opinions of others, we
must not associate exclusively with people who share our views or with
members of our own party; instead, we must go out and mingle freely with
all sorts of people, friends or foes. That is the only way to achieve something.

°Nine in the fifth place means:
Sincere in the good. Good fortune.

Every man must have something he follows--something that serves him as a
lodestar. He who follows with conviction the beautiful and the good may feel
himself strengthened by this saying.

°Six at the top means:
He meets with firm allegiance
And is still further bound.
The king introduces him
To the Western Mountain.

This refers to a man, an exalted sage, who has already put the turmoil of the
world behind him. But a follower appears who understands him and is not
to be put off. So the sage comes back into the world and aids the other in his
work. Thus there develops an eternal tie between the two.
The allegory is chosen from the annals of the Chou dynasty. The rulers of
this dynasty honored men who had served them well by awarding them a
place in the royal family's temple of ancestors on the Western Mountain. In
this way they were regarded as sharing in the destiny of the ruling family.



I have... No... Idea... What... IS.... Going... On...

ok?

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On May 10 2015 09:57 Onegu wrote:
Man I really hope I get the traitor just realized I can get that. Then I can be scum!!!

......REALLY? this is what I was talking about

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On May 10 2015 14:23 Onegu wrote:
Im going to waste posts on a N0 where we arent going to lynch anyone anyway. So suck it. And +1 to Bats. ^ Im drinking...

come on.

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On May 11 2015 05:13 Onegu wrote:
@ TalkingDead Traitor is totes in this game... Read OP, but I cant be it because I didnt read hapas post...

@rsoul Acknowledging you, But this is like my 6th straight town game

@GB I always want to roll scum, well known fact.

@yamato did you roll scum again?

@bats you really expected me to understand that lol... And then you expected ONEGU to comprehend it lol nice.

@LS ignoring me

@everyone else <3 I AM ONEGU!!!




such an in depth post of analysis here from onegu... not.
iioa

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On May 12 2015 01:20 Onegu wrote:
Yup Id still sheep him, Someone smart once said learning to sheep is a very good mafia skill. Dont agree with him on BH but yeah id sheep him still


Read that bolded.
I didn't want to out this for fear of helping mafia find him but onegu is 100% the traitor

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#753
Onegu has actually literally claimed Traitor
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#754
On May 12 2015 06:27 Trfel wrote:
Well then, please go ahead and do so?

youre voting me, no.
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#755
Are you denying it?
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#756
Same as last game... you're pressured, or someone pops in you want to berate/misrepresent... and then when the heat gets too hot in the kitchen poof you're gone
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#759
On April 20 2015 00:34 Trfel wrote:
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On April 20 2015 00:23 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:
On April 19 2015 15:57 scott31337 wrote:
On April 19 2015 15:50 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:
I mean YUROP TOO STRONG TO DIE

Do you have any reads?

No, I don't have any reads yet.
TheBloodyDwarf, for future reference, there's only really one good answer to that question ("do you have any reads"). You always have to have reads. However, it's assumed that the strength of the read is related to the length of the game. At this point, reads right now aren't very strong at all, the importance of making reads now is to use them as a talking point later.

For example, look at my play this game.
  • I have one of the longer filters in this game so far (shorter than scott31337's filter), but most of these posts were non-conclusive reads or (bad) jokes
  • I made an extremely long post including a guide on scumhunting
  • I provided reads on most players in the game
  • Anything else that I did that you feel is important

What do each of these three things suggest about my alignment? Often, it depends on how I did these things, not just what I did. For example, to use my reads on players to determine my alignment, you should examine my reads themselves and figure out what that says about me. If you're still stuck, I'll put a possible answer in spoiler below.
+ Show Spoiler [my example] +
The first point doesn't suggest anything of its own. Long filter isn't really alignment indicative, especially this early in the game. However, you can see that I have been attempting (only somewhat successfully) to further the discussion in this game, which is slightly towny.

My long post isn't alignment indicative. I wrote half of it after knowing my alignment, but I was planning on doing it before, anyway. Perhaps a very good tone reader could read me based on my post, but even that is doubtful.

I can't judge my own reads. Obviously I agree with them, but Damdred seems to disagree and says that they make me scummy. This is widely open to interpretation.

The Shining commented on my missing one of his jokes, and said that this suggested meant I was a scum lean. This is an example of something that isn't normally important, but can be used to try and make a read.

And the end result is up to how much you weigh your answers to all of these different points. Which again, is based on what you feel is important and what isn't. The Shining and Damdred both conclude that I am scummy, to some degree.

... you post...early on in the game, unlike this one
On April 20 2015 01:08 Bill Murray wrote:
##Vote: trfel

i vote you 34 minutes later

On April 20 2015 01:09 Trfel wrote:
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On April 20 2015 00:32 Damdred wrote:
What do you think of truffle ignoring me ls
Okay, Damdred. Now that LightningStrike has answered, what is your answer?

And Bill Murray, could you please provide a reason for your vote?

you come in with a whiny toned question exactly like you're doing here:

On May 12 2015 06:27 Trfel wrote:
Well then, please go ahead and do so?


On May 12 2015 06:30 Trfel wrote:
Bill Murray, if you are not lynched today, who would you nuke?


Which fits in with the exact way you just popped up multiple times in this thread. You're inactive, get pressured, increase your activity.

I pop into the thread, and bam, you literally ninja me before I can even finish reading and responding to things
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#761
On May 12 2015 06:30 Trfel wrote:
Bill Murray, if you are not lynched today, who would you nuke?

noone
blazinghand is going to just anti nuke all my nukes
my role is pointless
i dont even feel like playing at this point
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#762
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#766
i am busy soulsearching, damdred
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#767
i am basically worthless at this point. i was just fucking with trfel earlier. i dont have any nukes left. thats why im really ticked off right now/depressed
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#769
i dont want some confirmation bias stigma to plague me in mylo/lylo to where people are going to lynch me for trying to have fun D1 this game. basically go ahead and, in the wise words of LSB, "policy lynch BM"
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#770
On May 12 2015 06:49 GlowingBear wrote:
BH explain to me why stopping truffles nuke immediately but asking permission for Palmar to stop it against marv.

because palmar and marv are both mafia with BH like ive already said
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#771
Onegu is traitor too
just need to find 2 more mafia. looking @ xatalos/talkingdead/vivax
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#772
I'm at 3 pages so I have to quit posting unless someone wants to donate me some posts.
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#806
On May 12 2015 06:53 rsoultin wrote:
24/60

bm, i think you're town, dude. so talk to me yeah? i know i've called you stupid but i actually can see your read on truffle pretty clearly (don't agree with it but that's more of a i really, really know truffle very well sorta thing), and while i don't quite get the marv nuke that's neither here nor there for me at this point

i liked what you pointed out about onegu and i don't think we should lynch you or shoot you. what are your other reads?

you don't think trfel is town?

i have been calling him town since i noticed hes actively lurking

On May 12 2015 06:53 GlowingBear wrote:
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On May 12 2015 06:50 Bill Murray wrote:
On May 12 2015 06:49 GlowingBear wrote:
BH explain to me why stopping truffles nuke immediately but asking permission for Palmar to stop it against marv.

because palmar and marv are both mafia with BH like ive already said


Tell me you're kidding here.

I have a town read on you but I might rescind if you really mean to push this

Theres no point pushing something that won't get anything done.

On May 12 2015 07:03 KelsierSC wrote:
why is anyone giving posts to this idiot?

bh is town , stopping nukes hitting marv is a pro town move.

you know i have had you as a town read all game

but im an idiot

an idiot that can read you

On May 12 2015 07:03 Damdred wrote:
##give 2 posts bm

Rsoultin how sure are you that oneg is Scum here?

Onegu has claimed scum openly.
I'm 90% sure Onegu is scum

On May 12 2015 07:08 yamato77 wrote:
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On May 12 2015 07:03 KelsierSC wrote:
why is anyone giving posts to this idiot?

bh is town , stopping nukes hitting marv is a pro town move.

if it was ANYONE else

or even if he was doing ANYTHING else

but no, you can't make this read on BH

you mean BM

On May 12 2015 07:09 Onegu wrote:
Rsoul serious scum, she just went from me scum to agreeing with BM?

His only point is that I claimed traitor. How can she agree with those points? I didn't claim traitor, If I was going to claim traitor I would use some hidden BBCode to do it. NOT SAY I WISH I WAS GOING TO GET TRAITOR... And she knows I would do it that way thats how I handle my claims. So she is pushing me on false points agreeing with BM.

That would be like the worse play ever. I maybe dumb but really not that dumb. I thought I could get a town PM and then get the role Traitor but then realized I cant...

how is openly claiming traitor really a bad strategy?

You get called out on it, you WIFOM and say you were kidding, exactly what you're doing here.

On May 12 2015 07:11 Onegu wrote:
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On May 12 2015 07:10 yamato77 wrote:
On May 12 2015 07:09 Onegu wrote:
Rsoul serious scum, she just went from me scum to agreeing with BM?

His only point is that I claimed traitor. How can she agree with those points? I didn't claim traitor, If I was going to claim traitor I would use some hidden BBCode to do it. NOT SAY I WISH I WAS GOING TO GET TRAITOR... And she knows I would do it that way thats how I handle my claims. So she is pushing me on false points agreeing with BM.

That would be like the worse play ever. I maybe dumb but really not that dumb. I thought I could get a town PM and then get the role Traitor but then realized I cant...

you do look scummy, onegu



I always look scummy, but thats different from saying she agrees with I claimed traitor...

you also directly said you werent traitor. wnat me to quote that too??

it just all adds up to being fishy

On May 12 2015 07:14 Onegu wrote:
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On May 12 2015 06:53 rsoultin wrote:
24/60

bm, i think you're town, dude. so talk to me yeah? i know i've called you stupid but i actually can see your read on truffle pretty clearly (don't agree with it but that's more of a i really, really know truffle very well sorta thing), and while i don't quite get the marv nuke that's neither here nor there for me at this point

i liked what you pointed out about onegu and i don't think we should lynch you or shoot you. what are your other reads?



This is you agreeing with him... His only point is that I have "claimed traitor".

no my point isnt that you "claimed traitor"
my point is that you claimed traitor.
you literally claimed traitor.

On May 12 2015 07:20 KelsierSC wrote:
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On May 12 2015 06:22 Bill Murray wrote:
I feel like Blazinghand's role is completely bullshit
it's like I don't even have a role.


feel like BM claimed mafia with this post even though I can't put it into words why.
wording feels off I guess


In no way am I claiming mafia. I'm claiming BH is mafia. BH, Marv, and Palmar are my top 3 suspects.

On May 12 2015 07:22 Onegu wrote:
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On May 12 2015 03:11 rsoultin wrote:
15/60

okay to be more clear why oneg is giving me the icks includes not just a similar take on his tone that marv got but also a couple things that naturally mean more to me than other people -_-

- the overexplained everything...he's more the fuck you i'm gonna do what i want type, at least in most of the games i've played with him, though the one newbie game he was more serious which is why i'm trying to get hts' input (i pay less attention than i should when i'm scum lol)

- secondly, i recently asked him why he always scumreads me every game. which actually isn't true; it just felt like it recently because of guardians where the twit fake-claimed mason with scum rayn while flaming me all game lol >< couple that with the "obligatory" and it almost seems like he's doing it just to ascribe to "meta" that actually isn't really true anyway, just me being sensitive xP

- third, he genuinely believes i'm one of the best people at reading him, yet that's not part of his scumread. it was like the central point of his read when i was scum in student VII (and why he had so much trouble getting people to actually pay attention, i might add). not seeing the OMGUS you always get my alignment right but you're WRONG and therefore SCUM response here. if anything it should be stronger cause i actually did flip scum



Its a Ver game Im going to take it more serious. This would be true for either alignment.

I dont get this I had a slight scum read on you at the time and add a joke about it since we recently talked about it...

We are very early in day one, this is moot and doesnt matter.

And you dont like the <3.

WELL

<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3


You say I play like I dont give a fuck in my games then you dont like the hearts? Comeon now.

Onegu has resorted to Appealing to emotion

On May 12 2015 07:31 GlowingBear wrote:
Give me one reason BH is town other than protecting a guy this early without even knowing his role.

I can't see BH's anti nuke coming from town perspective. His double standards on truffle and marv, and the decision of immediately stopping BM's nuke instead of further inspecting truffles nuke is too scummy.

If truffle is town, BH was trying to get town cred
If truffle is Mafia, BH was protecting a scum partner.

I can't see his reaction to the first nuke coming from a town perspective, specially when he asks for permission to palmar.

thank god someone agreed with me
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#808
one of my nukes wasnt even real lol
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#878
1) I don't believe he is mafia, so there can't be a contradiction. My read changed. Get over it
2) You say that Damdred townread you and that makes me mafia because I gave him posts
a. you're being very illogical
b. you hadn't posted at all so you are misrepresenting this scenario
- if you had posted, it was at most once. You posted 1 time before I launched my nuke. These things occurred a day apart.
- you are now acting like you were here on Mother's Day when you weren't.

Synopsis: If you had been less terse in your opening post, perhaps I wouldn't have had to have nuked you. Sorry if you end up flipping town like I expect you to, now, but compare your opening post in this game to the one you posted in Newbie Mafia VIII that we just played in less than a month ago

Your post was something you spent a couple hours on that game. This one was just bland, without the punch that the other had. It made me think you were a different role. I was thinking there was a very good possibility I would be getting praised for nuking you before the day way out.... now I'm worried that I'm going to get mislynched and that I might have ended up nuking something that we will end up needing.

I'm not really sold on believing BlazingHand. If he's not lying, you're dead.

One last thing, the fact you would nuke me right back shows the facet of your play you need to fix. You demonstrate a wrathfulness that borders on OMGUS. Now, you admitted to doing that last game, so I have hope for you, or I wouldn't be trying to help you right now, but know that the person accusing you is not always the best option to lynch.

On May 12 2015 08:02 Onegu wrote:
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On May 12 2015 07:47 Bill Murray wrote:
On May 12 2015 06:53 rsoultin wrote:
24/60

bm, i think you're town, dude. so talk to me yeah? i know i've called you stupid but i actually can see your read on truffle pretty clearly (don't agree with it but that's more of a i really, really know truffle very well sorta thing), and while i don't quite get the marv nuke that's neither here nor there for me at this point

i liked what you pointed out about onegu and i don't think we should lynch you or shoot you. what are your other reads?

you don't think trfel is town?

i have been calling him town since i noticed hes actively lurking

On May 12 2015 06:53 GlowingBear wrote:
On May 12 2015 06:50 Bill Murray wrote:
On May 12 2015 06:49 GlowingBear wrote:
BH explain to me why stopping truffles nuke immediately but asking permission for Palmar to stop it against marv.

because palmar and marv are both mafia with BH like ive already said


Tell me you're kidding here.

I have a town read on you but I might rescind if you really mean to push this

Theres no point pushing something that won't get anything done.

On May 12 2015 07:03 KelsierSC wrote:
why is anyone giving posts to this idiot?

bh is town , stopping nukes hitting marv is a pro town move.

you know i have had you as a town read all game

but im an idiot

an idiot that can read you

On May 12 2015 07:03 Damdred wrote:
##give 2 posts bm

Rsoultin how sure are you that oneg is Scum here?

Onegu has claimed scum openly.
I'm 90% sure Onegu is scum

On May 12 2015 07:08 yamato77 wrote:
On May 12 2015 07:03 KelsierSC wrote:
why is anyone giving posts to this idiot?

bh is town , stopping nukes hitting marv is a pro town move.

if it was ANYONE else

or even if he was doing ANYTHING else

but no, you can't make this read on BH

you mean BM

On May 12 2015 07:09 Onegu wrote:
Rsoul serious scum, she just went from me scum to agreeing with BM?

His only point is that I claimed traitor. How can she agree with those points? I didn't claim traitor, If I was going to claim traitor I would use some hidden BBCode to do it. NOT SAY I WISH I WAS GOING TO GET TRAITOR... And she knows I would do it that way thats how I handle my claims. So she is pushing me on false points agreeing with BM.

That would be like the worse play ever. I maybe dumb but really not that dumb. I thought I could get a town PM and then get the role Traitor but then realized I cant...

how is openly claiming traitor really a bad strategy?

You get called out on it, you WIFOM and say you were kidding, exactly what you're doing here.

On May 12 2015 07:11 Onegu wrote:
On May 12 2015 07:10 yamato77 wrote:
On May 12 2015 07:09 Onegu wrote:
Rsoul serious scum, she just went from me scum to agreeing with BM?

His only point is that I claimed traitor. How can she agree with those points? I didn't claim traitor, If I was going to claim traitor I would use some hidden BBCode to do it. NOT SAY I WISH I WAS GOING TO GET TRAITOR... And she knows I would do it that way thats how I handle my claims. So she is pushing me on false points agreeing with BM.

That would be like the worse play ever. I maybe dumb but really not that dumb. I thought I could get a town PM and then get the role Traitor but then realized I cant...

you do look scummy, onegu



I always look scummy, but thats different from saying she agrees with I claimed traitor...

you also directly said you werent traitor. wnat me to quote that too??

it just all adds up to being fishy

On May 12 2015 07:14 Onegu wrote:
On May 12 2015 06:53 rsoultin wrote:
24/60

bm, i think you're town, dude. so talk to me yeah? i know i've called you stupid but i actually can see your read on truffle pretty clearly (don't agree with it but that's more of a i really, really know truffle very well sorta thing), and while i don't quite get the marv nuke that's neither here nor there for me at this point

i liked what you pointed out about onegu and i don't think we should lynch you or shoot you. what are your other reads?



This is you agreeing with him... His only point is that I have "claimed traitor".

no my point isnt that you "claimed traitor"
my point is that you claimed traitor.
you literally claimed traitor.

On May 12 2015 07:20 KelsierSC wrote:
On May 12 2015 06:22 Bill Murray wrote:
I feel like Blazinghand's role is completely bullshit
it's like I don't even have a role.


feel like BM claimed mafia with this post even though I can't put it into words why.
wording feels off I guess


In no way am I claiming mafia. I'm claiming BH is mafia. BH, Marv, and Palmar are my top 3 suspects.

On May 12 2015 07:22 Onegu wrote:
On May 12 2015 03:11 rsoultin wrote:
15/60

okay to be more clear why oneg is giving me the icks includes not just a similar take on his tone that marv got but also a couple things that naturally mean more to me than other people -_-

- the overexplained everything...he's more the fuck you i'm gonna do what i want type, at least in most of the games i've played with him, though the one newbie game he was more serious which is why i'm trying to get hts' input (i pay less attention than i should when i'm scum lol)

- secondly, i recently asked him why he always scumreads me every game. which actually isn't true; it just felt like it recently because of guardians where the twit fake-claimed mason with scum rayn while flaming me all game lol >< couple that with the "obligatory" and it almost seems like he's doing it just to ascribe to "meta" that actually isn't really true anyway, just me being sensitive xP

- third, he genuinely believes i'm one of the best people at reading him, yet that's not part of his scumread. it was like the central point of his read when i was scum in student VII (and why he had so much trouble getting people to actually pay attention, i might add). not seeing the OMGUS you always get my alignment right but you're WRONG and therefore SCUM response here. if anything it should be stronger cause i actually did flip scum



Its a Ver game Im going to take it more serious. This would be true for either alignment.

I dont get this I had a slight scum read on you at the time and add a joke about it since we recently talked about it...

We are very early in day one, this is moot and doesnt matter.

And you dont like the <3.

WELL

<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3


You say I play like I dont give a fuck in my games then you dont like the hearts? Comeon now.

Onegu has resorted to Appealing to emotion

On May 12 2015 07:31 GlowingBear wrote:
Give me one reason BH is town other than protecting a guy this early without even knowing his role.

I can't see BH's anti nuke coming from town perspective. His double standards on truffle and marv, and the decision of immediately stopping BM's nuke instead of further inspecting truffles nuke is too scummy.

If truffle is town, BH was trying to get town cred
If truffle is Mafia, BH was protecting a scum partner.

I can't see his reaction to the first nuke coming from a town perspective, specially when he asks for permission to palmar.

thank god someone agreed with me


I claimed town, I wanted to be traitor... I didnt read hapas post that if you are traitor you get a "Traitor PM". So how did you go from I am traitor to I am 90% scum btw?

the other 10% is referred to as "VI" in some circles, and I am not talking about the league of legends champion. I don't feel that way about you; I just feel like you're a guy that is trying to have fun dumbtelling as scum to get recruited ... it is what it is.
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#880
KelsierSC is town
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#882
OMG kelsier you disappoint me
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#884
On May 12 2015 09:17 Trfel wrote:
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On May 12 2015 09:13 yamato77 wrote:
On May 12 2015 09:09 Trfel wrote:
Actually, now that I think about it again, maybe I could still lynch Bill Murray....


That's fine and all, but none of the reasons you posted are conclusive for a player like BM.

It is a policy lynch, plain and simple. I generally don't do policy lynches.
Did you read his Student Mafia VIII filter like I asked?

In that game, he was actually being mostly reasonable and trying to solve the game. In this game, his /in post said that he would not be disruptive. I don't see Bill Murray suddenly deciding to ignore everyone, including his town reads and randomly nuke two players and only then listen to people, given that he showed that he is willing to discuss with people and said that he would not be disruptive this game.

I was a TOWNIE in that game
i am a BLUE role this game
Townies DO NOT spotlight

Read my Haunted Mafia game
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May 12 2015 02:01 GMT
#886
On May 12 2015 11:00 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 12 2015 10:58 Bill Murray wrote:
KelsierSC is town


Why?

I was at the point he voted TalkingDead, who I'm pretty sure is Geript, and mafia. It's either Geript or Raynpelikoneet. If It's Geript he's scum.
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May 12 2015 02:35 GMT
#901
Been catching up on some pages I've missed. I'm a little bit behind on reading. I am going to go back and fill in the blanks with what we need to do to win this game. Well, if I get to live long enough to do anything to help you guys.

Trfel, I wish we could be friends. There are just some differences between us. I want to point something out, and it's another reason I don't like your play. Trfel, you take thread sentiment (Cases on Xatalos, Onegu) and you pass it off as if you created them.
Your case on Xatalos is probably coming from Rsoultin
Your case on Onegu would probably be less of a reach than if it was coming from me
Your case on me is regurgitated from TD.

Just don't take that too harsh. I'm sorry I have a nuke going at you, potentially, but it is what it is.
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May 12 2015 02:37 GMT
#903
On May 12 2015 11:07 GlowingBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 12 2015 10:54 yamato77 wrote:
On May 12 2015 10:51 GlowingBear wrote:
Lol
Yamato, pls

TD said exactly what I said, but in a more wordy paragraph.

Like, pls.

Bill Murray won't be lynched today.

I'm starting to be suspicious of Kelsen for reasons unknown. Gut feelings

No, he didn't, and that's why you'll always be bad.


Is it unanimous that my reads are bad?
If so, I'll stick to single player since nobody will hear me. I will deliver reads and vote and use my super powerful role, but won't be arsed to engage interactions.

I thought rsoul was posting this, and I was really impressed with her, and then... it wasn't her LOL
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Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
May 12 2015 02:57 GMT
#905
The only defense I need is the timing of when I shot my nukes. I wanted to either fire my nukes during the early or late portions of the cycle. If you look at the cycle as the twin turbine engines of a Boeing 747, it's the risky portions! Takeoff and Landing... That's a bad example. If you look at my nukes as a woman, I wanted it to be her eyes. You see, I didn't expect to make it out of the night. Why would I? I always get killed Night 1. The last 3 games I've played I've gotten N1, and now I'm get to get D1ed when I was to be getting to flip someone I thought was scum. I have meta on Trfel and his play is different this game than last. If he active lurks as mafia like he does as town (most mafia do) then he's fucking mafia.

My first nuke was fired in my first post of the cycle. I wanted to create discussion, and I was firing based upon (at the time) my strongest scumread. I had been reading filters, and the moment I saw Trfel's meager 1 post, I didn't even have to read it to think he was scum. It was just completely a content difference from the last game I played in when we both got killed Night 1 as town together. I thought he was scum that game, too... Bad of me, but everyone makes mistakes, just like I did here. My Nuke was fired during takeoff! My real rocket, at Trufel, I posted it in my first post! I wanted to go ahead and get shit out in the open. If you have a hindrance you claim it, you let people know. I guess I should have told everyone that I had nukes... but what if people didn't want me to fire it? what if you guys just started to vote me and i didnt get to fire it at all? that wasnt going to fly. What if I had explained to the people that didn't know me that I am really bad at town and used to be policy lynched for my play which is much like this that is happening to me right now. I am having memories of 5 years ago when RebirthofLegend, LSB, and Jackal58 would spam "Policy lynch BM" just to be utter dickheads to me which wasn't fucking cool at all.

I guess we're all finding out the hard way, huh. Scum would fire that nuke in the middle of the day, in the middle of the game, in the middle of the night. They wouldn't fire it instantly because they are gonna be worried about getting lynched. The nature of having to nuke someone like that, if I had to do it as scum, I would just wait towards the end of the game. I get killed N1 the last 2 times I've been helpful here. Now, I'm getting lynched D1 for being unhelpful, but know that I bagged a scum even with my play. If my nukes don't land, we lynch Blazinghand. Think about it, and I know this is illogical, but it's just the way that mafia games are created. I got a couple nukes, a fake one, and a real one. Blazinghand has a role that shoots nukes down...............................................................!. and even then my fake one (at marv). What a vile, insufferable, evil murdering partypooper!

My 2nd nuke, which was directed towards marv, wasn't real. He was pressuring me, and I knew I had a fake nuke left. I was like hmm. I'll act like America during WW2, and I'll do a 2nd A-bomb to get people to surrender to my will. I figured if I threw out another nuke, everyone would be scared of me that I would nuke them too and that they wouldn't vote me. Alone, and hated, everything backfired; such is life when you live in the spotlight. People who were once your friends are the first wolves at the door. ►Et tu, ows?

I just don't want to get killed in the first damn cycle again. Come on, guys. I want to help lynch people and make good cases on people. please
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May 12 2015 03:01 GMT
#906
@Onegu Notice the words "would probably" in there? That means if he makes a case on you, OK?
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Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
May 12 2015 03:05 GMT
#907
##Vote: Onegu
AtE, IIoA, Said he wanted to be traitor, then directly said he wasn't traitor, and you can refer to my earlier post on the matter if you want to read more about it. I am going to go filter him and see if I want to change my mind before I go to bed... which I'm really doing this time... but you guys really need to get off my wagon. I want to help, and this isn't helping..
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Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
May 12 2015 03:09 GMT
#909
me too... keeping my vote for sure. will explain when i wake up. goodnight.
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Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
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May 12 2015 07:22 GMT
#953
On May 11 2015 10:06 Trfel wrote:
Hello.

I'll get to this game in a few hours at the latest. I am sorry for my absence today, I'll be better during the week than on weekends.

The purpose of this post is to ensure that I comply with the "one post every 24 hours" rule. Meanwhile, enjoy some music.


So Trfel makes excuses
"ill be absent"
"this post it so ensure that i comply with the one post every 24 hours rule" then he posts a video... cool. really beneficial
before this all he had done was harass people

Then I nuke him for behaving like this, which didnt fit how he played last game as town

WITHIN AN HOUR of him "fulfilling his daily post on mothers day", he posts:
On May 11 2015 14:05 Trfel wrote:
You're kidding me.

You nuked me for low activity on a weekend, and Mothers' Day?

I really hope you are not town here, because you being town would really kill my motivation to play this game. I mean, if you're going to give the majority of your posts for the first 24 hours away, you really shouldn't be killing me for not playing in a 24 hour period.


And not only that, but he wants to misrepresent what happened
He instead attacks me NOT for me nuking him, but wants to lie and come up with some bullshit excuse to basically omgus me

1) he tries to nuke me in return
that doesnt work
2) he votes me
3) he then proceeded to ask me if i have any more nukes after unvoting
4) he finds out i have no more nukes
5) he votes me again

this guy isnt enjoyable to play with, and his behavior is self serving and scummy as fuck
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Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
May 12 2015 07:22 GMT
#954
##unvote
##vote: Trfel
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Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
May 12 2015 07:53 GMT
#956
1) he was actively lurking and lied so he tried to nuke me
1 a. He realizes he has to OMGUS
2) he OMGUSes me , but like I said he did it in a way that made it appear like he wasn't. He wanted to say he was voting me due to my giving my posts to Damdred as opposed to me actually nuking. Get real. He's just sheeping Geript (TD) with that sentiment which is what scum due. They take whatever is prevalent and easy in the thread and push it as their own agenda that's what Trfel is doing. Trfel is scum
3-5) He unvotes me more than once. He unvotes me at this juncture and then revotes me based upon the logic of "I don't want to die" Self preservation is a scum lean. It makes the case on him stronger.
3-5) a. If I recall he unvotes me another time to "build a case" on me. If anything I have been looking more and more town. I don't post with this amount of content as scum in any game that I have ever been scum. My posting is highly consistent with me having a blue role, including me 1) fucking up and 2) getting pressured like I did as Inventor in PYP 2

This isn't even the beginning of the case on him from my eyes/soul. My case is meta, but I have to be able to put that into words you guys can follow. I seem to be having difficulty doing that this game thusfar. I have presented you with scum on a silver platter already in Onegu, do not fail to heed my warnings on Trfel; I have been pushing him / nuking him all day for a reason. I really, really hope BH is trolling and Trfel flips scum before this phase is up so you guys can see that I am 100% trying to win this game. I am very, very frustrated.
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Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
May 12 2015 07:59 GMT
#957
On May 12 2015 14:07 Trfel wrote:
Actually.... RebirthOfLeGenD just ninja-voted (well, he explained it like 12 hours ago).

Why is he present enough to vote in the voting thread, but not to read/post in this thread? I heard justanothertownie say that he can be extremely lazy as town, can someone confirm if this is true? Otherwise I could very easily lynch him.

typical RoL
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Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
May 12 2015 08:18 GMT
#958
You can really stop attacking my playstyle with things that are obviously false.... my play has an extremely large number of flaws, and believe me, I'm more aware of them than anyone else.

+ Show Spoiler +
Mine does too. There was a time I gave my posts away, and was actively reading the entire thread. I was reading it enough to find your posting to be different than it was when you were green last game
.
I don't have a case on Xatalos, and I never said I did? I don't have a case on Onegu, and I never said I did? I have a small case on you, certainly built on what others have posted, however I have taken additional efforts to show why your play fits a mafia motivation. So you're accusing me of being a flawed player for doing things which I'm going to do?!?!

+ Show Spoiler +
you were listing those names... my wording came across wrong, as you are the second person who has gotten confused about this. What I was saying was if you built a case on Onegu or Xatalos, both who have thread sentiment against them, it would be X, not that it IS X. I wasn't saying what you think I was saying, basically.. "Oh, it's rsoultin, we can't lynch her D1" .... Why not? That is why I refuse to play the way that I did whenever I was one of the better players here. I am not going to just ease down the lazy river and lose the entire game for everyone. I want to give people something to talk about at least. I don't want to lynch rsoultin for usual reasons and it's something that I wouldn't even normally talk about... but I feel like she is potentially scumbuddying me to get me to not vote for her later, if that happens. However, she seems like town in that her play seems a little more giving and less terse as scum.


Bill Murray, why are you voting for Onegu instead of your other scumreads?

+ Show Spoiler +
Well, I feel like he slipped. I go with slips before anything else. After I get a good vote out, and someone reacts poorly, like he did with his AtE to rsoultin, that's when I really hammer the nail home.

why do you think that my filter (at the time of you firing your nuke) was only one post, when it was actually four, and ignore the fourth post saying that I would get back to the game the very evening you fired?

+ Show Spoiler +
I got confused and literally thought you had only had 1 post in the cycle. I've gone back and read it whenever I forced a case on you, against my better judgment, just to look better for the thread [sorry for my hypocrisy]

But I almost can't see scum playing with such obvious lies... it makes me more inclined to think that he somehow completely missed 75% of my filter and is unable to understand my post on him (despite the TLDR), and if that is true maybe Bill Murray is town here. And while it's extremely frustrating, I don't think that Bill Murray would attack my playstyle when it is not at all necessary (and is false).


+ Show Spoiler +
This just feels so close to what I felt about YOU that is it crazy. I was frustrated, I thought you were lying, and I really was beginning to feel like you were mafia; I had convinced myself of that.

You have made me see the light, Trfel.


##unvote
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Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
May 12 2015 08:35 GMT
#959
On May 12 2015 09:02 TalkingDead wrote:
Reposted because it's relevant and people seem to have dropped the idea entirely.

However, the person that I find the most interesting is Oatsmaster. Generally what I've seen from Oatsmaster as town is that he's abrasive and does his own thing. Whereas in this game, he tends to just follow what's going on with thread sentiment. Specifically:
Show nested quote +
On May 11 2015 08:46 Oatsmaster wrote:
Sandros shit seems really planned out and fake.

Like this post right,
On May 11 2015 05:36 sandroba wrote:
marvellosity's intro is another one that I found pretty meh as well. I would expect more inquiries from him, maybe all condensed into a single post to adapt to the post cap. Instead I found nothing besides a read that I dissagree with. I'm going to keep an eye on him.

marv doesnt do that.

And a scumread for not posting is pretty bad considering the general lack of content.

And i really fucking hate lists posts man, seriously dont post a huge list of nonsense.
Talkingdead especially.

Is that rayn?

Show nested quote +
On May 11 2015 09:50 Oatsmaster wrote:
Gb is town guys. Unless he faked that shit like super super well.

Sandro, talking deads list post was the most recent and longest one, why not point it out?
Also, the tone of your posts is very structured, and the questions you ask seem to be more for show than actually gaining alignment relevant information

Show nested quote +
On May 11 2015 12:19 Oatsmaster wrote:
Meh whatever rsoul, marv isn't gonna get lynched today if that's your attitude.

I'm actually inclined to agree with sandro about td. He just dodged all the questions by saying "reread" ...

Show nested quote +
On May 11 2015 12:40 Oatsmaster wrote:
OK saw the longass post.

That's a bad post.
Mainly because of one point.

When td compares the difference between town-town, he says that they will be able to rethink their reads. But in his town-scum analysis, he said that one of them will keep beating a dead horse, specifying that it might be either. So since they don't know each others alignments, the town - scum scenario he proposes could happen with town - town too. So in conclusion, td is bullshitting his town-town read cause he got caught.

Show nested quote +
On May 11 2015 13:36 Oatsmaster wrote:
On May 11 2015 12:29 sandroba wrote:
On May 11 2015 12:25 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
On May 11 2015 12:20 sandroba wrote:
If I'm wrong about this TD thing, which certainly I'm considering, I think Oats and yamato both look quite bad. I'm feeling better about damdred already.


I can understand the yamato read.

Why Oats?

Random read on me which is illogical and nitpicky. Random defense of marv.

You are town.
Marv is not scum yet.

The thing is though that Sandroba's points on me haven't really changed for the most part. It's been spread on the same set of things for the most part. So there's no real clear reason for the change from "made up fake shit" to "great read." The's also really not a clear reason for Sandroba going from town to mafia.

Then after marvellosity makes his large post, Oats seems to drop everything and switch to BillMurray. He had previously fingered BillMurray for seemingly no reason (it was before either nuke). Rather, Oats just seems to follow the thread sentiment and look to blend. He has only hints at why his reads are and there's no discernible progression. That in my experience is scum!Oats.

I just read this post and I was like is talking dead literally copy pasting things

well you know what, I did the exact same thing with my case on Onegu so +townpoints for talkingdead
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May 12 2015 08:39 GMT
#960
On May 12 2015 06:00 Vivax wrote:
LS I'm sort of confident you're town and I'm a pleb, why do you think I'm mafia?

why me = fry me
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May 12 2015 19:47 GMT
#1225
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