On May 13 2015 06:40 Vivax wrote: I'm really good at reading him. Last time he was mafia I scumread him D1 and nobody lynched him. FML. But he conceded at endgame. I think it was Carol.
On May 13 2015 06:30 Vivax wrote: As for JAT you will notice he commented on marv's list as being ok but apparently the only viable lynch on it is me, as reinforced by his later play. There is no real interest in Oats and Xata even though he seemed to agree with the entire post, here:
On May 12 2015 18:58 marvellosity wrote: Seen it been mentioned a few times, but I think BH is a pretty terrible lynch, certainly anyone saving me from a nuke I am not going to vote for today.
Three people who I think are good lynches, other than BM:
Vivax - somehow when I read his posts last night they didn't seem *too* uninteresting. So I was left feeling a little town from it. But in the end, they led nowhere, game has been going on quite a while now, not enough to hang my hat onac
Oats - promised GB he'd try properly this game. I don't really remember his posts.
Xatalos - he's boring. that's enough.
I'm not very sure about my earlier Onegu read. I read Onegu + rsoultin arguing last night when I was pretty baked and I couldn't work out what the fuck was going on. Anyone have any bright insights?
This list seems ok. Vivax has vanished again - would absolutely lynch.
On May 12 2015 19:10 TalkingDead wrote:
On May 12 2015 19:01 marvellosity wrote:
On May 12 2015 19:00 TalkingDead wrote: Yes. Can we add RebirthofLegend to said list?
We can, ish, but I think that verges a little more into policy, maybe.
Is it really a policy lynch to kill people who have 8 posts about nothing interesting that offer nothing of note and more than likely will continue said trend? Because I call that modus operandi.
He's a far worse offender than Palmer. At least Yamato has some interesting posts.
I think RoL would be a better vig target. No way to discern his alignment based on what he posted.
On May 12 2015 20:52 GlowingBear wrote:
On May 12 2015 20:44 Oatsmaster wrote:
On May 12 2015 20:41 GlowingBear wrote: Damdy, you asked me questions, never followed up. You said my read on BH is good, but it didn't change your vote, nor created interest in you to pursue more information on him.
Can you give more inputs about this? Let's lynch BH? Would you lynch Oats? What did you make of my answer?
dude you arent fucking lynching me again day 1 for no reason.
Ok lets lynch Xata then.
100% scum. Im not even kidding
I'm not lynching Xata.
Let's lynch BH?
We are not lynching BH. What reason is there for you to not lynch xatalos? I won't even start to comment on that pardon.
On May 12 2015 21:34 sandroba wrote: I would like to lynch between RoL, VE, stutters and bats today if BM is not an option. Every other player did posted something townie to lesser or greater degrees in my eyes at some point. These 4 I can't find anything townie about them.
We are also not lynching bats. Stutters I could see maybe although also better vig target. VE I would be hesitant about.
Seems a bit of a too generic agreement given I seem to be his only strong scumread.
And how did you determine that I am not scumreading the other 2? The answer is you didn't. You could have asked me for example. But instead you are trying to throw shit around for the dumbest reasons. Yeah, I agreed with the list because I agreed with all targets. That does not change the fact that we have only one lynch and that you are by far the best one. This is about as good as your "case" against HTS. You just ignore the overall play of your scumreads and instead search for something irrelevant to nitpick. Why do we need to interact with you to figure out your alignment when your biggest scumtell is that you aren't doing anything on your own? We don't.
I need to stop posting, really need to conserve for EoD/night. But this is where I stand.
Where I stand on my null/scumreads:
The policy vote category Batsnacks, Stutters, ROL (all lurk as either alignment)
Null Trfel (town to null based on the fact he's been out of thread too long. Could use more insight on reads other than Vivax/Onegu.) Onegu (Very torn on this one. I'm seeing both scum and town tells in him with tone. I don't consider activity in of itself indicative.) VE (I honestly have no idea how to read him. Nothing is screaming scum to me but would like to see how he's so sure on Stutters.)
Under review but never the lynch tonight Palmar (Nothing seemed off at first glance but he has tricked me as scum. Will need to re-read.) KelsierSC (Can't follow logic easily, but I know from Void and even Titanic, this is possible for his town play. Will need to re-read more closely) Sandroba (not sure I'm understanding his reads, probably doesn't make him scum, but need to review D2)
Scum lean LS (Called out on not reading the thread twice, most of his last meta diving has been null reads)
Probable Scum Blazinghand (I said before I don't like how his role actions to speak for him, not seeing anything in the line of scumhunting, even in Titanic 7 he did that eventually. Unlike Damdred or GB in this respect.) Oatsmaster (Dodging questions, the reads on Sandroba were horrible) OWS (Main issue is the read on Vivax. Townreads him for a pretty bad reason and then "prepares" to scumread him again to try and fit in. Eventually votes him. Others have mentioned this too.)
Lynch it with fire Xatalos (Loose/murky reads, positions on Rasputin are contrived at best. Case on page 58.) Vivax (My case is on page 58. Inactivity first 20h of the game, excuse of trashing town meta is not credible, pointed questions with no info followup, the reads on marv and myself are contrived)
Voting Xatalos now, pref him or Vivax lynched. Will compromise with the town circle/reads with a vote on Blazinghand, Oats or OWS if it spares any other reads.
On May 13 2015 06:40 LightningStrike wrote: I can be convinced to switch to Xata if you can tell me he's mafia and you're not.
One answer: I'm not mafia cause I do less than usual on D1. But since it was always the case so far and people are used to it I will get lynched regardless. Just make good use of my flip and everything's fine, and my town meta is broken if I keep doing this a few times.
I need to stop posting, really need to conserve for EoD/night. But this is where I stand.
Where I stand on my null/scumreads:
The policy vote category Batsnacks, Stutters, ROL (all lurk as either alignment)
Null Trfel (town to null based on the fact he's been out of thread too long. Could use more insight on reads other than Vivax/Onegu.) Onegu (Very torn on this one. I'm seeing both scum and town tells in him with tone. I don't consider activity in of itself indicative.) VE (I honestly have no idea how to read him. Nothing is screaming scum to me but would like to see how he's so sure on Stutters.)
Under review but never the lynch tonight Palmar (Nothing seemed off at first glance but he has tricked me as scum. Will need to re-read.) KelsierSC (Can't follow logic easily, but I know from Void and even Titanic, this is possible for his town play. Will need to re-read more closely) Sandroba (not sure I'm understanding his reads, probably doesn't make him scum, but need to review D2)
Scum lean LS (Called out on not reading the thread twice, most of his last meta diving has been null reads)
Probable Scum Blazinghand (I said before I don't like how his role actions to speak for him, not seeing anything in the line of scumhunting, even in Titanic 7 he did that eventually. Unlike Damdred or GB in this respect.) Oatsmaster (Dodging questions, the reads on Sandroba were horrible) OWS (Main issue is the read on Vivax. Townreads him for a pretty bad reason and then "prepares" to scumread him again to try and fit in. Eventually votes him. Others have mentioned this too.)
Lynch it with fire Xatalos (Loose/murky reads, positions on Rasputin are contrived at best. Case on page 58.) Vivax (My case is on page 58. Inactivity first 20h of the game, excuse of trashing town meta is not credible, pointed questions with no info followup, the reads on marv and myself are contrived)
Voting Xatalos now, pref him or Vivax lynched. Will compromise with the town circle/reads with a vote on Blazinghand, Oats or OWS if it spares any other reads.
You realized that sometimes I skimped out to much regardless of my alignment? Also RebirthofLegend is much easier to read later on by meta and so is stutters.
On May 13 2015 06:30 Vivax wrote: As for JAT you will notice he commented on marv's list as being ok but apparently the only viable lynch on it is me, as reinforced by his later play. There is no real interest in Oats and Xata even though he seemed to agree with the entire post, here:
On May 12 2015 22:16 justanothertownie wrote:
On May 12 2015 18:58 marvellosity wrote: Seen it been mentioned a few times, but I think BH is a pretty terrible lynch, certainly anyone saving me from a nuke I am not going to vote for today.
Three people who I think are good lynches, other than BM:
Vivax - somehow when I read his posts last night they didn't seem *too* uninteresting. So I was left feeling a little town from it. But in the end, they led nowhere, game has been going on quite a while now, not enough to hang my hat onac
Oats - promised GB he'd try properly this game. I don't really remember his posts.
Xatalos - he's boring. that's enough.
I'm not very sure about my earlier Onegu read. I read Onegu + rsoultin arguing last night when I was pretty baked and I couldn't work out what the fuck was going on. Anyone have any bright insights?
This list seems ok. Vivax has vanished again - would absolutely lynch.
On May 12 2015 19:10 TalkingDead wrote:
On May 12 2015 19:01 marvellosity wrote:
On May 12 2015 19:00 TalkingDead wrote: Yes. Can we add RebirthofLegend to said list?
We can, ish, but I think that verges a little more into policy, maybe.
Is it really a policy lynch to kill people who have 8 posts about nothing interesting that offer nothing of note and more than likely will continue said trend? Because I call that modus operandi.
He's a far worse offender than Palmer. At least Yamato has some interesting posts.
I think RoL would be a better vig target. No way to discern his alignment based on what he posted.
On May 12 2015 20:52 GlowingBear wrote:
On May 12 2015 20:44 Oatsmaster wrote:
On May 12 2015 20:41 GlowingBear wrote: Damdy, you asked me questions, never followed up. You said my read on BH is good, but it didn't change your vote, nor created interest in you to pursue more information on him.
Can you give more inputs about this? Let's lynch BH? Would you lynch Oats? What did you make of my answer?
dude you arent fucking lynching me again day 1 for no reason.
Ok lets lynch Xata then.
100% scum. Im not even kidding
I'm not lynching Xata.
Let's lynch BH?
We are not lynching BH. What reason is there for you to not lynch xatalos? I won't even start to comment on that pardon.
On May 12 2015 21:34 sandroba wrote: I would like to lynch between RoL, VE, stutters and bats today if BM is not an option. Every other player did posted something townie to lesser or greater degrees in my eyes at some point. These 4 I can't find anything townie about them.
We are also not lynching bats. Stutters I could see maybe although also better vig target. VE I would be hesitant about.
Seems a bit of a too generic agreement given I seem to be his only strong scumread.
And how did you determine that I am not scumreading the other 2? The answer is you didn't. You could have asked me for example. But instead you are trying to throw shit around for the dumbest reasons. Yeah, I agreed with the list because I agreed with all targets. That does not change the fact that we have only one lynch and that you are by far the best one. This is about as good as your "case" against HTS. You just ignore the overall play of your scumreads and instead search for something irrelevant to nitpick. Why do we need to interact with you to figure out your alignment when your biggest scumtell is that you aren't doing anything on your own? We don't.
I think I am pretty much out of posts btw.
Why should I ask you if you scumread them if you think you're mafia? If I ask you, you will just give a reasonably sounding answer. This way I am able to make the observation that your proclaimed interest isn't visible in the following posts. All your interest seems to lie in mislynching me in spite of the illusion that you have multiple suspects when you really haven't.
I'd probably lynch Bh before Vivax at this rate. Vivax is posting stuff and being useful (finally) while all Bh is doing is hiding behind his role as is his scum meta. I can be swayed to vote Xatalos as well.
-for the longest time his only scum read was LS, an easy read to give
On May 12 2015 03:46 Xatalos wrote: Well the only stronger reads I have so far are a scumread on LS, a townread on sandroba and a townread on Damdred. Can't say something is strong if it simply isn't.
- when under pressure he has tried to bury anyone else who looks like they may get lynched. started on vivax
On May 12 2015 04:00 Xatalos wrote: Could lynch Vivax so far. He hasn't done much and what he's done is sheeping thread sentiment on myself and randomly scumreading Damdred for a pretty far-fetched reason. Both targets for suspicion-spreading are probably town. I think his scum meta was being useless which fits here well enough.
Not really sold on TD. I think his reads seem decent enough and he's put in some effort. How exactly is he "blending in" or something?
pushed on onegu when thread was against him a lot of nonsense about how onegu had claimed traitor or something, again just sort of sheeps the thread
On May 10 2015 09:57 Onegu wrote: Man I really hope I get the traitor just realized I can get that. Then I can be scum!!!
Tbh I think Onegu *is* actually soft claiming Traitor here. "Not happy about being town", "I want to be scum".... Even with the actual word "Traitor" in there. It's pretty blatant, yeah, but it would make sense to be somewhat obvious to get the scumteam to notice you. I think he just went slightly overboard there while doing that.
On May 11 2015 05:13 Onegu wrote: @ TalkingDead Traitor is totes in this game... Read OP, but I cant be it because I didnt read hapas post...
Then there's this... Basically he's defending himself using the argument that he was too stupid / didn't think when posting that. It just feels off that he would specifically defend himself using the "dumb" argument. I get the feeling that he planned it out and was preparing to use that defense just like this after fulfilling the purpose of signaling the scumteam.
He's also not really interested in figuring the game out at all. He's just wasting his N0 posts, continues wasting his D1 posts (giving some shallow reads and one-liners like going through the motions, but otherwise nothing noteworthy)...
His most recent post showcases the lack of interest in anything useful, even going so far as to push scum agenda (simultaneously wasting his posts and fueling the fire/chaos in thread).
On May 12 2015 00:16 Onegu wrote: Ok so here is why Trfel is town. The way he tried to nuke back immediatly looks townie. Like I have a feeling that scum would already know there are nukes in the game, and the way he did it makes him really townie to me.
Lol @ Marv. Such a shit read on me, I want to roll scum and the fact that I used 3 !, just confirms the fact that I wanted to be scum or able to be scum.
People saying BH should be lynched for TMI is also terrible, If I had a anti nuke I would have stopped it also. Also marv saying it is bad to stop it right away is odd. Like what info are you expecting to get? I feel like this is more blue hunting, maybe finding out who has more anti nukes.
<3 GB for the defense but it was such a shit read you get no points from me for now.
Why is Rsoul getting town read so hard so fast. I know she can look really townie but Im not seeing it. She seems almost lazy to me. Her reads arent that intense either. I know she never has confidence in her reads but still they are normally stronger. Seems soft to me. If she rolled scum and I didnt Im going to be upset. Since this isnt a PM game here is my mandatory non town read on her <3.
I really want to see if BM's second nuke goes off. I think I would find it weird if he can fire 2 nukes in one day.
LS seems less active than I am used to also. Maybe its just a post restriction game.
Yamato could be mafia, see what he does today since he doesnt work. Would be funny if hapa troll rolled him scum.
Could totally sheep Palmar, He is playing and he catches dem scum.
Still have a few filters to read but these are my thoughts off the top of my head.
Also really no one else is wondering how we are in ancient rome and there are nukes going off? I mean srs...
This is pretty much his biggest contribution to the game. Pretty... inconclusive / weak. It wouldn't be so bad if it wasn't the only thing he did so far.
then once thread shifts to oats he starts to bury him
On May 11 2015 08:46 Oatsmaster wrote: Sandros shit seems really planned out and fake.
Like this post right,
On May 11 2015 05:36 sandroba wrote: marvellosity's intro is another one that I found pretty meh as well. I would expect more inquiries from him, maybe all condensed into a single post to adapt to the post cap. Instead I found nothing besides a read that I dissagree with. I'm going to keep an eye on him.
marv doesnt do that.
And a scumread for not posting is pretty bad considering the general lack of content.
And i really fucking hate lists posts man, seriously dont post a huge list of nonsense. Talkingdead especially.
On May 11 2015 10:31 Oatsmaster wrote: Rsoul, just cause you don't town read someone it doesn't mean they are scum. Give me one reason why marv is scum.
Sandro just made a completely unnecessary post calling gb town when nobody is even talking about gb. Why did you make that post Sandro? Also your points involving td are that he has a weird read on gb and damdred? Why is that read scummy?
On May 11 2015 12:20 sandroba wrote: If I'm wrong about this TD thing, which certainly I'm considering, I think Oats and yamato both look quite bad. I'm feeling better about damdred already.
I can understand the yamato read.
Why Oats?
Random read on me which is illogical and nitpicky. Random defense of marv.
You are town. Marv is not scum yet.
I can't explain what Oats is doing with his reads either. What happened to your scumread on sandroba suddenly, Oats? You're accusing him for a while and suddenly he's just incomprehensibly town.
add on that this question is absolutely retarded because oats already explained why he changed the read, xat just trying to call oats scum and not actually objectively look at the posts
now he is back onto vivax when it looks like he will be lynched
-restating this point I made earlier about him.
On May 12 2015 20:16 KelsierSC wrote: Morning everyone, I think i'm right near the cap limit so don't want to make too many posts , just going to update where i'm at and who I would vote on.
Firstly though
On May 12 2015 13:48 Oatsmaster wrote: BH is town probably.
On May 12 2015 02:50 Xatalos wrote: About BM: Never played with him before. His nuke spectacle was basically an anti-town way of using the ability, so it might be necessary to policy lynch him or just Vig him. Typically crazy plays come a bit more often from town than scum so that holds me back from just saying anti-town -> scum.
What a waffley defence that is super weird. I read this and instantly thought of scum asking xata to defend BM and this is what he came up with.
I think this point is really good, this reminds me of the Carols game where I made some awful play as mafia and xatalos made up some waffle to defend me for it, furthermore in that game damdred made a point that xatalos looks more like town when he is mafia, his play this game seems formulaic town.
I think this is a good read from oats and I won't lynch him today.
On May 12 2015 18:58 marvellosity wrote: Seen it been mentioned a few times, but I think BH is a pretty terrible lynch, certainly anyone saving me from a nuke I am not going to vote for today.
Three people who I think are good lynches, other than BM:
Vivax - somehow when I read his posts last night they didn't seem *too* uninteresting. So I was left feeling a little town from it. But in the end, they led nowhere, game has been going on quite a while now, not enough to hang my hat on
Oats - promised GB he'd try properly this game. I don't really remember his posts.
Xatalos - he's boring. that's enough.
I'm not very sure about my earlier Onegu read. I read Onegu + rsoultin arguing last night when I was pretty baked and I couldn't work out what the fuck was going on. Anyone have any bright insights?
I drank a whole bottle of wine last night and was pretty fucked up but I thought that onegu felt town in the exchange, he showed some good buck , the points against him were pretty weak all it amounted to was that he claimed traitor or something stupid like that.
---- I would lynch BM, reading his posts it's just awful I can't really give it a better word. something like 12 hours after his nukes he gives these long winded reasons about how he wants to "generate conversation" in a thread where things were already being talked about, then says how he has this huge burden and wants to make people aware of it.
I'll get to this game in a few hours at the latest. I am sorry for my absence today, I'll be better during the week than on weekends.
The purpose of this post is to ensure that I comply with the "one post every 24 hours" rule. Meanwhile, enjoy some music.
So Trfel makes excuses "ill be absent" "this post it so ensure that i comply with the one post every 24 hours rule" then he posts a video... cool. really beneficial before this all he had done was harass people
Then I nuke him for behaving like this, which didnt fit how he played last game as town
WITHIN AN HOUR of him "fulfilling his daily post on mothers day", he posts:
On May 11 2015 14:05 Trfel wrote: You're kidding me.
You nuked me for low activity on a weekend, and Mothers' Day?
I really hope you are not town here, because you being town would really kill my motivation to play this game. I mean, if you're going to give the majority of your posts for the first 24 hours away, you really shouldn't be killing me for not playing in a 24 hour period.
And not only that, but he wants to misrepresent what happened He instead attacks me NOT for me nuking him, but wants to lie and come up with some bullshit excuse to basically omgus me
1) he tries to nuke me in return that doesnt work 2) he votes me 3) he then proceeded to ask me if i have any more nukes after unvoting 4) he finds out i have no more nukes 5) he votes me again
this guy isnt enjoyable to play with, and his behavior is self serving and scummy as fuck
a very weak read overall he just seems to bounce around trying to get something to stick that isn't himself.
his nuke play was scummy, taking that out, the rest of his play has been terrible I don't understand how anyone has a townread on him at all and he needs to be removed from the game.
So moving on.
I'd probably lynch BM, Xat, TD,
in that order.
The only thing that gives me pause about lynching BM is that TD has basically pushed that and nothing else. my earlier points on TD still stand and are available to view in my filter. His read on oats is a total fabrication,
On May 12 2015 09:02 TalkingDead wrote: Reposted because it's relevant and people seem to have dropped the idea entirely.
However, the person that I find the most interesting is Oatsmaster. Generally what I've seen from Oatsmaster as town is that he's abrasive and does his own thing. Whereas in this game, he tends to just follow what's going on with thread sentiment. Specifically:
On May 11 2015 08:46 Oatsmaster wrote: Sandros shit seems really planned out and fake.
....
saying oats isn't being abrasive isn't supported by the first line of oat's statement.
So aside from a weak oats read TD has tried to push a lynch on BM and has raised the point that "even if he is town he will just be a pain to hear about"...giving himself an excuse for when BM flips town? you lynch the guy you think is mafia you don't lynch the guy who is town but will be a pain to read about. if you don't want to read about him then you can push discussion elsewhere in the next phase.
The likely scenario for me is that I will listen to palmar, marv and damdred and cast my vote to kill any of my scum reads.
I have other scumreads but not really worth discussing, incidentally where has JAT gone to?
I also want to hear something from bats, just anything really
personally aswell damdred , VE and marv have disliked xatalos which is good for me.
I don't know about vivax i just get the feeling he might be town, I brought up a decent observation he made early on. He has been pretty controversial and played his own game which is what I am used to.
Fuck it, I think my first intuition was right. I'm not voting vivax, I think he is town. A switch to BH would be the best I think, I'm not particularly sold on xatalos being mafia either.
On May 13 2015 06:57 sandroba wrote: Fuck it, I think my first intuition was right. I'm not voting vivax, I think he is town. A switch to BH would be the best I think, I'm not particularly sold on xatalos being mafia either.
Vivax still has 2 hours - l et's see what he comes up with. So far I am not impressed. Marvs argument against BH was good too. Xatalos isn't the worst lynch either.
I would be really thankful if someone donated me posts btw. - I don't mind going over the limit slightly but otherwise voting is pretty much everything I can do for now.
On May 12 2015 23:47 Damdred wrote: Idk what's happening in the thread I just woke up and saw that pardon, and I kist want to say dumbest thing ever. Bm could be town but having town talk about him for another day is stupid
rsoultin - looking back your case on Onegu is actually ok, but you admit that it can come from town too. But i don't think my argument for Vivax only doing this as mafia holds as much water anymore
It looks like after I made the comment about not being able to help myself trying when I am town, Vivax also maybe can't help himself. So that's not at all certain anymore. Maybe he's town.
I'd say Xata was a better lynch than Vivax at this point, but BH is a better lynch than both
BlazingHand made a lolreply (more scumpoints from Palmar for me \o/) to Obi where he altered his quote to try to say "well i do this as town as WELL as mafia". The thing was, in... er... Aperture, kita made quite a good meta case about how scumBH doesn't actually do anything where town-BH is strung into action. And that's what's happening here.
The thing with BH is that he's very obviously selectively reading the thread, and disregarding the stuff that he doesn't like. So it goes
1.Palmar case on sandroba 2.sometime later marv makes a sandroba defence 3.BH sheeps 1, disregards 2
Then I also made my case on BH based on this, but BH ignores it completely and later only responds to my post where I lumped him (or something) in with Vivax, and saying he's not like Vivax. but it totally disregards what i said in the first place. So that's 2 strikes.
I literally cannot reconcile, at all, how he keeps saying we should sheep this Palmar case d1 when it was a really bad case.
Even earlier in the thread he made some post about "Palmar and marv being the only ones possibly more skilled than me" yet it seems like he's totally ignoring me for convenience.