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I'm voting oats.
##Vote:Oatsmaster
And Damdred, I decided to get out of the thread exactly because I thought I needed to cool down my head after you shot the guy I pardoned.
Anyway, oats is very underwhelming, is dodging my questioning, following thread sentiment without putting any original thoughts in thread, making absurd assumptions of team (BM and BH together) and when the flaw was revealed, he didn't seem to reevaluate his read until after some time, which I found it was an odd reaction.
HTS, vote oats with me.
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meh gb unless you're voting a townread you've got my vote today -_-
i'm done
tired of beating my head against a wall. if people can't see why what damdred did was nonsensical i don't even know. it's less that he did it and that he did it WITH his current reads under THESE circumstances. whatever
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45/60
Marv - by that same token, do you think he's being vague in regards to Vivax or is that read from him reasonable? He's using meta as a reason to townread Vivax despite Vivax's wanting to trash his town meta (which I would think should make Sandroba disregard meta as well??).
But I was asking him to look into the content. His first few reads in the beginning were fine.
On May 13 2015 00:33 marvellosity wrote:
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also sand is right, i don't really know why the things you said about him would make him mafia
i think if sand is mafia he's chosen this game to play much, much, much better than normal for some reason. i don't really think that's the case
his VE read - i think a couple people picked up on that because they didn't like it - well, ok, but VE in years gone by (when sand played a lot more) was MUCH more active than he plays these days. It wasn't an unfair thing for him to think, and i think him saying openly that he wasn't married to his VE read looks ok for him
I can't comment on the VE read as I'm not even that familiar with VE now other than he doesn't strike me as a town leader. But I just didn't like his responses on Vivax.
In any case he's probably and shouldn't get lynched today for it, but I just found it dicey.
GB - Oatsmaster is a third choice for me behind Vivax/Xatalos. I think either of the latter two are more likely to get lynched over him.
Going to be back around EoD although I don't have too many posts left either.
(Any questions (anyone) ask away and I'll consolidate them to save posts.)
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On May 13 2015 00:42 rsoultin wrote:
meh gb unless you're voting a townread you've got my vote today -_-
i'm done
tired of beating my head against a wall. if people can't see why what damdred did was nonsensical i don't even know. it's less that he did it and that he did it WITH his current reads under THESE circumstances. whatever
Dear, I can see it as nonsensical.
But I can't find Mafia motivation behind it. If Bill was town, Damdred is right, it would be better to try an push a mislynch on BM day2.
Don't get me wrong. He could be Mafia. He could just shoot a townie so people pushing a mislynch on BM wouldn't look bad. But I don't think Damdred is the day1 lynch due to we already have enough information on him. A Coroner, for example, could look for his alignment tonight.
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On May 13 2015 00:47 Half the Sky wrote:45/60 Marv - by that same token, do you think he's being vague in regards to Vivax or is that read from him reasonable? He's using meta as a reason to townread Vivax despite Vivax's wanting to trash his town meta (which I would think should make Sandroba disregard meta as well??). But I was asking him to look into the content. His first few reads in the beginning were fine. Show nested quote +On May 13 2015 00:33 marvellosity wrote:
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also sand is right, i don't really know why the things you said about him would make him mafia
i think if sand is mafia he's chosen this game to play much, much, much better than normal for some reason. i don't really think that's the case
his VE read - i think a couple people picked up on that because they didn't like it - well, ok, but VE in years gone by (when sand played a lot more) was MUCH more active than he plays these days. It wasn't an unfair thing for him to think, and i think him saying openly that he wasn't married to his VE read looks ok for him I can't comment on the VE read as I'm not even that familiar with VE now other than he doesn't strike me as a town leader. But I just didn't like his responses on Vivax. In any case he's probably and shouldn't get lynched today for it, but I just found it dicey. GB - Oatsmaster is a third choice for me behind Vivax/Xatalos. I think either of the latter two are more likely to get lynched over him. Going to be back around EoD although I don't have too many posts left either. (Any questions (anyone) ask away and I'll consolidate them to save posts.)
Could you point out why Vivax or Xatalos are better lynches? Even if you already have.
I'll save posts now. I'll probably deliver a case on oats for you to evaluate, and maybe that consolidated list post I am promising since start of the day
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ftr i don't want to lynch damdy today; i just don't trust him enough to sheep any of his reads i don't have strong feelings about
wifom aside
he doesn't make sense
i can't trust what doesn't make sense. it's really that simple
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Damdred why you shoot BM when we just had him pardoned by GB and the fact we have multiple people that look worse than BM?
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I'm going to take a nap. I'm going to place my vote on Vivax. Palmer told me he was a 1.5 of the sexy scale and I've heard that he's nailed at least 1 scum team solely based on that. He also told me that if he weren't straight, that he would totally let me get in his pants. I don't think I believe him about that. He's never even had sex so I don't think he even knows what he would like.
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On May 13 2015 00:58 TalkingDead wrote:
I'm going to take a nap. I'm going to place my vote on Vivax. Palmer told me he was a 1.5 of the sexy scale and I've heard that he's nailed at least 1 scum team solely based on that. He also told me that if he weren't straight, that he would totally let me get in his pants. I don't think I believe him about that. He's never even had sex so I don't think he even knows what he would like.
He was refering to XXX which was a sex flavored game when he the lower rating poeple were mostly mafia except for 1 person (Prplhz).
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It makes fucking perfect sense.
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You can't be serious ls just isn't reading the thread.
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On May 13 2015 00:58 TalkingDead wrote:
I'm going to take a nap. I'm going to place my vote on Vivax. Palmer told me he was a 1.5 of the sexy scale and I've heard that he's nailed at least 1 scum team solely based on that. He also told me that if he weren't straight, that he would totally let me get in his pants. I don't think I believe him about that. He's never even had sex so I don't think he even knows what he would like.
This is geript. No doubt about it.
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On May 13 2015 01:02 Damdred wrote:
You can't be serious ls just isn't reading the thread.
Ugh dude we have Xata who people don't like, Oats, and Vivax all 3 of them are scumread by the majority and yet you choose to shoot BM because he would stagnate the thread? That just terrible reasoning......
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46/60
GlowingBear -
1 Xatalos
On May 12 2015 06:43 Half the Sky wrote:22/60 Xatalos is looking like playing to his scum meta. In Carol both (town) GB and Vivax cased him and a central point they had on a scum Xatalos was how murky his reads were in justifying his switches. GlowingBear in particular stated that Xatalos didn't have deep reads on people. I get the same impression here from the reads he's made so far. Show nested quote +On May 12 2015 03:22 Xatalos wrote:On May 12 2015 03:12 Damdred wrote:On May 12 2015 01:58 Half the Sky wrote:15/60 Pfff, you ninjaed me BM. On May 12 2015 01:51 Bill Murray wrote:
I realize now what you meant but I guess I misread it before
and the differentiation between the lurkers is because Trfel is obviously mafia to me this game
if my nuke doesnt land on him im going to vote him. I am admittedly a little behind this game and need to catch up Alright, so you still think Trfel is the way to go then. Do you think anything he HAS posted is screaming scum? Second part of this post aimed at Damdred - On May 12 2015 01:41 Damdred wrote:
Can we not policy lynch vivax today XD maybe a day vig could just take him out lol.
I agree roughly that the pregame where BM gave his posts up and didn't do much is kinda meh. It helped me immensely at that juncture though. As such the excuse that BM used to fire the nuke isn't necessarily the least believable thing I've ever read. It's based on meta yes but I didn't feel it was horrible, it could of led to some really useful information and its a pity that it didn't. (10) I explained prior that BH's anti-nuke could be town or mafia motivated. Where do you stand on this (given the bolded statement)? Theres really not much to say? I think it was dumb of BH but I don't think him being dumb is really indicative... Anyway I actually like Yamato at this point, hes not useless per scum game. He seems to have actual thoughs behind what hes posting, I think he is an ok town lean presently. RS can you give me something to work with? Xata, I agree with you that LS still is scummy and that post is a good example. However, you used the post count restrictions the last time I caught you as well </3. Tell me what you think of Jat, Palmar and Marv. (11?) Hehee. It also works well as an excuse precisely because it's true  Don't really know Palmar that well. He's been pretty light-toned and active from what I saw so maybe a slight town lean?I think jat was more proactively leading discussion in the other game (Ippo). So far he's seemed a bit too nitpicky and reactive to my liking... Might be scum, I guess. We'll see.I've had little success reading marv in the past. Last game (Ippo) I also thought he seemed a bit disinterested / detached, but he was town all the same. I'd strongly oppose lynching him D1 just based on some vague feeling when he has the potential to almost single-handedly figure the game out. Also whilst LS didn't really impress me early on, I also don't think Xatalos had an original stance on LS and the quote he uses to substantiate his read on LS is also pretty shaky. At least a few people mentioned the conditional wording that LS had in his opening posts. Show nested quote +On May 12 2015 02:46 Xatalos wrote:Thanks for the attention Damdred I'm sure my early posts were a bit more in line with my scum meta considering the post restriction (-> less posts than usual) and already being in another game that's approaching endgame (-> even less time / attachment to spare to another game, admittedly my own fault for signing up). I'm now mostly caught up, though, so ask away. What struck me as most scummy so far is probably LS. I just can't get over the uncomfortable feeling I get from posts like these: On May 11 2015 21:57 LightningStrike wrote:Morning guys just woke up to see the nuke and anti nuke and Tfrel looking good though afte the nuke stuff  Also Palmar is actually here now so I really want him to bleed town esp because the last 2 times I had played with him he was scum (I was his scum mate in one of those games) and still haven't exactly figured out what makes Palmar scum at all when he's scum. Also the 1 person who calls Palmar Palmer is sicklucker from office when he(sicklucker) sent a pm to Palmer instead of Palmar who was the host for the game. I also liking Sandroba a lot this game he seems very insightful this time around I also don't like BM's early nuke he shoulda saved it for later when we starting seeing scum clearer. @Marv: What are your current reads? @Palmar: Thoughts so far in the thread? It's just... so typical scum play. Posting large, inconclusive paragraphs and questions that don't really show any insight or real interest in the game. LS generally isn't one to be articulate but at least in this particular paragraph he does reach some conclusions on two people from knowing "LS speak" for lack of better words. But he's also made conclusions on people in other posts. So at least looking through Xata's filter, I've got a decent scumlean on him. Need to AFK atm.
2 Vivax
I call Vivax out for doing jack all about 20h or so into the day.
On May 12 2015 01:23 Half the Sky wrote:
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Vivax on the other hand has done jack all, and his scum meta (as is Yamato's, though I'm less certain on him for activity) is doing jack all. So why Xata over him?
When Vivax DOES appear in thread, his posts show a scumlike behaviour.
On May 12 2015 05:12 Half the Sky wrote:16/60 [...] My stance on Vivax remains the same. Though he's posted, now that he's being called out, it's posts like these that give me the impression he's posting for the sake of posting. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/postmessage.php?quote=710&topic_id=484076It's pretty obvious going into Ras's filter why she does this, it also shows no part on his end searching for information that would determine her alignment.
Above quote on Rasputin gets nowhere, plus if you look at Vivax's filter there is zero followup.
On May 12 2015 23:18 Half the Sky wrote:40/60 [...] Like what about his posting his town? I thought I asked to elaborate before. Because the tanking his game is the worst part about Vivax and posts like these from him Show nested quote +On May 12 2015 03:39 Vivax wrote:
I'm gonna play badly this game btw, but it will help my scum play. Sadly it was one of the things that made rayn quit. Show nested quote +On May 12 2015 04:49 Vivax wrote:
Rso no that much of a pita in this game, what's going on? Actually explaining her reads all the time not just interfering with other people's.
Might be she's aiming for the townie of the month award but then that's what's odd about all of that.
Also she seems particularly attentive to stuff adressed to her, also feels unusual.
Metatonish read, not the rso I'm used to who was always the townie one. Show nested quote +On May 12 2015 06:00 Vivax wrote:
LS I'm sort of confident you're town and I'm a pleb, why do you think I'm mafia? ...are basically him just posting to post - no follow through on Rasputin whatsoever if he truly suspected her. [...]
The above quote I tried to illustrate to sandroba what I found wrong with Vivax. But that should make it a bit more clear.
1 The quality of his posting doesn't reflect credible scumhunting in any manner.
2 Trashing his town meta (his excuse for his current play) isn't credible after the fact.
And at LightningStrike:
On May 13 2015 00:58 LightningStrike wrote:
Damdred why you shoot BM when we just had him pardoned by GB and the fact we have multiple people that look worse than BM?
FFS you aren't reading. RTFT please. Damdred answered this twice over in the last two pages.
Now I'm out.
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Back. Sorry about the long AFK streak but I simply haven't been able to catch up for a while and even now I missed an IRL event just to get some time to read these games.
I still can't get quite over LS. Just as I yesterday thought that I might have misjudged him when he went on talking about meta reads etc., he posted this:
On May 12 2015 13:47 LightningStrike wrote:
Hello guys I had caught up and people are now wanting to policy lynch BM even though I think he's town for the fact he's to trigger happy to be scum with his nuke o.o Also people are suspecting Xata(His filter looked okay but I can be convinced that he's scum if someone can case him pretty good) now too along with Oats(He seems lazier than Office Mini and Void when he was lazy town) plus BH(Which I kinda agree with some of the thoughts from others about BH regarding his content regardless of his power). rsoultin is getting extremely angry at Onegu since Onegu is being a pain in the butt to her... Also GB looks very townie atm and I pretty sure he will catch scum very fast like he did in Carol :O
@KSC: Yes I actually do have High Functioning Autism I did tell you that I think in our latest game together when you or someone joked around using Autism as a insult -_-
@Bill Murray: Don't feel discouraged man I believe you are town and I want you to prove to everyone how you are town!
It's... just... so sheepish/inconclusive. Like he's wanting to make friends and blend in rather than to progress the game.
Dunno what rsoultin was going on about with the "conveniently forgot about Carol" or something. First I was a townread and suddenly scum for some nonexistent reason when people started doubting me? Frankly I can't remember most of my games too well and I only remember something like trying to antagonize marv, slipping in PM's and getting lunched in that game. I think jat was also in my team but that's about it. rsoultin might as well be scum for that rather convenient read progression.
I don't think sandroba's lack of reaction to specific events really makes him scum. Did you see his last scumgame Palmar? It was abysmal. He's clearly trying here so that's enough to make me think he's not scum for now.
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On May 13 2015 01:13 Xatalos wrote:Back. Sorry about the long AFK streak but I simply haven't been able to catch up for a while and even now I missed an IRL event just to get some time to read these games. I still can't get quite over LS. Just as I yesterday thought that I might have misjudged him when he went on talking about meta reads etc., he posted this: Show nested quote +On May 12 2015 13:47 LightningStrike wrote:
Hello guys I had caught up and people are now wanting to policy lynch BM even though I think he's town for the fact he's to trigger happy to be scum with his nuke o.o Also people are suspecting Xata(His filter looked okay but I can be convinced that he's scum if someone can case him pretty good) now too along with Oats(He seems lazier than Office Mini and Void when he was lazy town) plus BH(Which I kinda agree with some of the thoughts from others about BH regarding his content regardless of his power). rsoultin is getting extremely angry at Onegu since Onegu is being a pain in the butt to her... Also GB looks very townie atm and I pretty sure he will catch scum very fast like he did in Carol :O
@KSC: Yes I actually do have High Functioning Autism I did tell you that I think in our latest game together when you or someone joked around using Autism as a insult -_-
@Bill Murray: Don't feel discouraged man I believe you are town and I want you to prove to everyone how you are town! It's... just... so sheepish/inconclusive. Like he's wanting to make friends and blend in rather than to progress the game. Dunno what rsoultin was going on about with the "conveniently forgot about Carol" or something. First I was a townread and suddenly scum for some nonexistent reason when people started doubting me? Frankly I can't remember most of my games too well and I only remember something like trying to antagonize marv, slipping in PM's and getting lunched in that game. I think jat was also in my team but that's about it. rsoultin might as well be scum for that rather convenient read progression. I don't think sandroba's lack of reaction to specific events really makes him scum. Did you see his last scumgame Palmar? It was abysmal. He's clearly trying here so that's enough to make me think he's not scum for now.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/472628-tl-mafia-lxix-carol-of-the-bells
wrong game. skim and remember
then read the fucking thread or at least the filters of the people you're scumreading so it isn't so obvious how weak your reads are ^^
-shoos-
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Ah, that game. Lol. I played quite unorthodoxly in that game though, focusing on defending teammates and plainly pushing scum agenda (relying on my bussing scum meta). It didn't go too well in the end.
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What was your reason to townread LS exactly? You said something about a silly smurf sidebar....?
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Your reads are just generally too weird for me to understand.
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60/60
heh -_- i knew i was close but i didn't think i was this close
give me posts and i'll talk to you. otherwise, read my filter. it's amazing how easy it is to find things i've already said in there -_-
i may even, amazingly, be willing to do a list post in collegiate writing just for the people who constantly complain about brain cancer and have trouble with simple reading comprehension ^^
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