On May 15 2015 02:23 Onegu wrote: Not lynching JaT. He had the guts to do what I couldn't. Should shoot LS next.
Marv like really town. Even though he is still scum reading me. Doubt he is just like Im mason recuiter as scum and giving out his entire scum team as he isnt mason...
Ugh dude did you not see my Martyr claim? I protect 1 person every night and if the person gets hit by KP I take the kp instead.
Okay I going to vote Onegu he knows I don't claim a power role as scum since I only had claimed VT as scum in all my games as scum and the fact he's ignoring that and the fact he haven't looked into other people clearly he trying to mislynch me and I think he's mafia for this. ##Vote: Onegu
EBWOP - "Marv, scum Palmar has WIFOMed people of both alignments as being both alignments...."
Sidenote for Yamato - I won't speak for LS, but I am not experience with either your or sandroba's town games. At all. Not everyone refuses to play as scum and I learnt the hard way just now with Vivax changing his meta the way he has (still I think that's lol, but I digress). Point is, to be blunt for a player unfamiliar with your play to an extent, no you were not "blatantly town" certainly not at the end of D1, let alone a top town pick and sandroba didn't really clear up for me until close to the end of N1.
I incorrectly read him D1, blame that on inexperience on my end, and as for you, I'm not really familiar with your style of posting.
Even if I gave sandroba my power, he wouldn't have gotten it if killed (night actions out of my control), or if another one of my town picks were higher than him on the playerlist had he have lived (I explained all that in my claim post) that person would have gotten it. And upon inquiry (never encountered my role before) I unfortunately could not put myself on that list either.
Just saying.
I need to AFK for a few hours but I'll be back.
Honestly I felt like GlowingBear is the type of guy that can drive a lynch while Sandroba doesn't seem that type of person which is why I went on GlowingBear. I had only seem a glimpse of his town but in Student VII but that was it(I was coaching students that game and was more focused on my students there).
On May 15 2015 05:37 LightningStrike wrote: Okay I going to vote Onegu he knows I don't claim a power role as scum since I only had claimed VT as scum in all my games as scum and the fact he's ignoring that and the fact he haven't looked into other people clearly he trying to mislynch me and I think he's mafia for this. ##Vote: Onegu
We are in a themed game... I doubt you are going to claim VT here as scum. Like why did you claim? Me and rsoul just went over this with you on how bad it is. So why the hell would you claim that as town now?
I was tired of people thinking I was scum if BH is town (GlowingBear) and Xata was still scum reading me and you too and besides my role is kinda meh and we already got VT's in this game.
On May 15 2015 06:17 TalkingDead wrote: I think I missed some of this a bit earlier. I think I'd rather give Batsnacks a pass than RoL. Both Batsnacks and Palmer voting together on Sandroba as mafia is really, really unlikely. RoL has basically done nothing this game yet is magically right on Palmer; that feels far more bussy to me than not. Onegu and LS aren't bad targets based on them both being smart enough to not throw away their votes. That said, Stutters/Kelsier/Oats/OWS/Trfel/Xatalos are the next people I'd look at.
My reserve on Xatalos (having re-filtered him yet) is that the way things look, no mafia were up for the D1 lynch and rather mafia could just freely organize wherever semi-naturally without having to fear about losing one of their own.
Stutters is an uncounterclaimed vig who claimed the shot on scum Palmar. Do you have adequate reason to think he shot his own scumbuddy?
Xatalos was already day-vigged by VE.
Right forgot about Xat.
Re: Stutters. It's mostly setup speculation based around the number of confirmed KP powers. HTS I think is really towny. Yamato and VE are really towny. Damdred is dead. BM is ??? Of the blue claims, I think Stutters and LS are the most likely to not be town. Granted, Stutters is essentially excluded from being mafia under normal circumstances (unless Sandroba shot Palmer which doesn't seem likely); so the reason why I think Stutters is moreso because it's a huge amount of town KP and a night kill is far more in line with 3 party role. I kinda think BM might have just been town and awful; it's not outside of his playbook and it would be rather odd for mafia to have nukes when town can just auto-shoot them down. It's like useless extra KP.
Plus, I find it rather odd that there would be no investigative role OR medic role in the setup. Coroner seems like a natural fit in this setup; or at worst parity cop. But having any of those three in addition to the amount of town KP seems heavily town favored despite the partial flips considering we're told only 5 mafia. If we assume every KP role so far is town, then town has more KP than mafia has members. That's rather excessive and (while yamato pointed out that Ver's game tend to have more KP) I think Hapa would've commented on or changed things.
You realized that a Martyr is actually a town role not scum?
On May 12 2015 23:09 Palmar wrote: you're right that was a bit dick-ish, sorry LS
But the point stands. Sandroba not posting as mafia in one game does not mean he cannot post in another, and because of the filter limitations it's not exactly hard to post 3 pages of stuff in one game.
Same with RoL. He's lazy and shit as either alignment. But he did jump a dumb remark from me (apparently a lot of people here are literally sheldon).
Like maybe I'm just wrong and bad about sandroba, projecting my own personality on him too much but he's now done two things this game where I just think "If I was towndroba in this situation I'd have reacted completely differently". Aside from my initial point about how him saying he'd keep an eye on marv was basically a pointless sentence that doesn't fit in (If he doesn't say that, can we then assume he's not keeping an eye on marv? Isn't the default position in all mafia games to always keep an eye on everyone?), there is more too.
1). Sandroba's reaction to me calling him scum.
On May 11 2015 23:30 sandroba wrote:
On May 11 2015 23:24 Palmar wrote: Every time I say something really dumb the thread dies.
fixed it for you.
I wouldn't mind killing jat either.
Dismissal. He doesn't defend against my point and he doesn't try to use it to pry into my own alignment. He just outright dismisses my stuff, only to come back later and say:
On May 12 2015 19:55 sandroba wrote:
On May 12 2015 19:49 Palmar wrote:
On May 12 2015 19:49 sandroba wrote:
On May 12 2015 19:47 Palmar wrote: I don't really think BM is mafia but I haven't read too much up on the game.
Any time frame we should expect the reading to start? I enjoy playing games with you, but not when I can't actually discuss important points with you and get your input.
You're mafia so why do you care?
If you believe so, I want you to tell me why that is. I can't tell if you are trolling/tunneling aimlessly or you actually believe what you are saying.
Which implies he doesn't know why I think he's mafia, when I had already explained it then.
Also
2). His reaction to the BM pardon.
Sandroba literally just made this case on BM:
On May 12 2015 19:34 sandroba wrote: I think we do need to lynch BM today. The bullshit level in his posts is a lot higher than anything I've seen from him. It is still possible that he is town and using a large quantity of drugs but that I cannot account for, and unless someone can confirm him town so he can be safely ignored we will need to deal with him at some point and I would prefer if it was today. One example of the BS he is pushing that I think points to him clearly lying on purpose and not being on drugs is this post:
On May 12 2015 16:22 Bill Murray wrote:
On May 11 2015 10:06 Trfel wrote: Hello.
I'll get to this game in a few hours at the latest. I am sorry for my absence today, I'll be better during the week than on weekends.
The purpose of this post is to ensure that I comply with the "one post every 24 hours" rule. Meanwhile, enjoy some music.
So Trfel makes excuses "ill be absent" "this post it so ensure that i comply with the one post every 24 hours rule" then he posts a video... cool. really beneficial before this all he had done was harass people
Then I nuke him for behaving like this, which didnt fit how he played last game as town
WITHIN AN HOUR of him "fulfilling his daily post on mothers day", he posts:
On May 11 2015 14:05 Trfel wrote: You're kidding me.
You nuked me for low activity on a weekend, and Mothers' Day?
I really hope you are not town here, because you being town would really kill my motivation to play this game. I mean, if you're going to give the majority of your posts for the first 24 hours away, you really shouldn't be killing me for not playing in a 24 hour period.
And not only that, but he wants to misrepresent what happened He instead attacks me NOT for me nuking him, but wants to lie and come up with some bullshit excuse to basically omgus me
1) he tries to nuke me in return that doesnt work 2) he votes me 3) he then proceeded to ask me if i have any more nukes after unvoting 4) he finds out i have no more nukes 5) he votes me again
this guy isnt enjoyable to play with, and his behavior is self serving and scummy as fuck
He is clearly nit picking and ignoring parts of trfel post. trfel states that he is going to be back in a few hours to this game but BM does not bold that part and bolds parts that change the meaning of the post. Also he flat out lies about the time elapsed between the 2 posts, which was 4 hours, not one, in accordance to the part BM chose to overlook in his first post. Conclusion is I think he is doing it on purpose and is mafia for it. ##vote: BM
And his primary scumread gets pardoned.
This is fucking sandroba people. Not some random scrub who doesn't know jack shit about the game. Again, I may be projecting my own personality but I'd be so mad at this.
Think how I would've reacted if anyone would've pardoned GB in mini mafia mini thing or someone had pardoned WoS in noir 3. I was mad enough with people just not listening to me. But someone actively shutting me down? Fuck that.
I don't think sandroba cares, I think he didn't defend my case and instead chose to dismiss it and I think my initial point was very good.
We should lynch sandroba.
Palmar is scum. This post is the biggest BS in this thread besides bill murray. You are not projecting anything, you know how I play and "sandroba isn't defend against my case" is completely dumb since you posted something retarded that I dismissed as troll. You aren't reading anything, you are trying to force this read and haven't given any insight on any of the suspicious people that are being discussed. We should lynch palmar.
Dismissal count: 2
Go on
And yes, I told you didn't think BM is mafia and I still don't think he is. There is no reason at all for him to antagonize a ton of potentially strong townies and to use nukes randomly as mafia. I loved Gb's pardon and I also had already given a semi-tone read on him.
I've talked about rol and I've talked about you. I've hinted I think VE is town.
So yes, I have given plenty of insight.
So you are saying I'm mafia because 1: I said i would keep my eye on marv (????) 2: I didn't rage at GB who I think is town. (????) Which is completely retarded and doesn't make anyone mafia in any world. Despite my current level of activity and the content which I'm posting which I abosolutely never do as mafia because simply I can't keep up. Knowing who the scum team is simply crushes my interest and I have to try really hard to even pretend I have a scum read and I'm a lot more sucint and direct about my reads which I can't justify. You've talked about RoL who I'll give a prise to anyone who can guess his alignment at this point with a good margin of success. You've said you think VE is town, but didn't say why. You haven't talked about Xatalos and Vivax at all which are the main people being discussed. You simply ignored what I've pointed out about BM and read him town randomly. Palmar isn't this bad. He is mafia.
I'm not sure I get the rationale of a mafia-Palmar honing in on a target with the history that you have with each other. Palmar's played plenty of games with you (probably only more with me + VE) and realistically if he wanted to choose a prominent player to target, he should have chosen me, because he loves to scumread me no matter my alignment. Instead he chose you, when (if i'm wrong, correct me) you have quite a good history of trying to read each other.
I like to think I am pretty good at reading Palmar normally and he can easily get into stupid dumb tunnels as town
in the situation of sandroba-town and palmar-mafia, gunning for you seems like a kinda suicidal play with no upsides for him, so i think this can be town-town
Are you sure?
That was made a few irl days ago so ofc we now know it was Town on Scum there between Sandroba and Palmar.
On May 12 2015 23:09 Palmar wrote: you're right that was a bit dick-ish, sorry LS
But the point stands. Sandroba not posting as mafia in one game does not mean he cannot post in another, and because of the filter limitations it's not exactly hard to post 3 pages of stuff in one game.
Same with RoL. He's lazy and shit as either alignment. But he did jump a dumb remark from me (apparently a lot of people here are literally sheldon).
Like maybe I'm just wrong and bad about sandroba, projecting my own personality on him too much but he's now done two things this game where I just think "If I was towndroba in this situation I'd have reacted completely differently". Aside from my initial point about how him saying he'd keep an eye on marv was basically a pointless sentence that doesn't fit in (If he doesn't say that, can we then assume he's not keeping an eye on marv? Isn't the default position in all mafia games to always keep an eye on everyone?), there is more too.
1). Sandroba's reaction to me calling him scum.
On May 11 2015 23:30 sandroba wrote:
On May 11 2015 23:24 Palmar wrote: Every time I say something really dumb the thread dies.
fixed it for you.
I wouldn't mind killing jat either.
Dismissal. He doesn't defend against my point and he doesn't try to use it to pry into my own alignment. He just outright dismisses my stuff, only to come back later and say:
On May 12 2015 19:55 sandroba wrote:
On May 12 2015 19:49 Palmar wrote: [quote] You're mafia so why do you care?
If you believe so, I want you to tell me why that is. I can't tell if you are trolling/tunneling aimlessly or you actually believe what you are saying.
Which implies he doesn't know why I think he's mafia, when I had already explained it then.
Also
2). His reaction to the BM pardon.
Sandroba literally just made this case on BM:
On May 12 2015 19:34 sandroba wrote: I think we do need to lynch BM today. The bullshit level in his posts is a lot higher than anything I've seen from him. It is still possible that he is town and using a large quantity of drugs but that I cannot account for, and unless someone can confirm him town so he can be safely ignored we will need to deal with him at some point and I would prefer if it was today. One example of the BS he is pushing that I think points to him clearly lying on purpose and not being on drugs is this post:
On May 12 2015 16:22 Bill Murray wrote: [quote]
So Trfel makes excuses "ill be absent" "this post it so ensure that i comply with the one post every 24 hours rule" then he posts a video... cool. really beneficial before this all he had done was harass people
Then I nuke him for behaving like this, which didnt fit how he played last game as town
WITHIN AN HOUR of him "fulfilling his daily post on mothers day", he posts: [quote]
And not only that, but he wants to misrepresent what happened He instead attacks me NOT for me nuking him, but wants to lie and come up with some bullshit excuse to basically omgus me
1) he tries to nuke me in return that doesnt work 2) he votes me 3) he then proceeded to ask me if i have any more nukes after unvoting 4) he finds out i have no more nukes 5) he votes me again
this guy isnt enjoyable to play with, and his behavior is self serving and scummy as fuck
He is clearly nit picking and ignoring parts of trfel post. trfel states that he is going to be back in a few hours to this game but BM does not bold that part and bolds parts that change the meaning of the post. Also he flat out lies about the time elapsed between the 2 posts, which was 4 hours, not one, in accordance to the part BM chose to overlook in his first post. Conclusion is I think he is doing it on purpose and is mafia for it. ##vote: BM
And his primary scumread gets pardoned.
This is fucking sandroba people. Not some random scrub who doesn't know jack shit about the game. Again, I may be projecting my own personality but I'd be so mad at this.
Think how I would've reacted if anyone would've pardoned GB in mini mafia mini thing or someone had pardoned WoS in noir 3. I was mad enough with people just not listening to me. But someone actively shutting me down? Fuck that.
I don't think sandroba cares, I think he didn't defend my case and instead chose to dismiss it and I think my initial point was very good.
We should lynch sandroba.
Palmar is scum. This post is the biggest BS in this thread besides bill murray. You are not projecting anything, you know how I play and "sandroba isn't defend against my case" is completely dumb since you posted something retarded that I dismissed as troll. You aren't reading anything, you are trying to force this read and haven't given any insight on any of the suspicious people that are being discussed. We should lynch palmar.
Dismissal count: 2
Go on
And yes, I told you didn't think BM is mafia and I still don't think he is. There is no reason at all for him to antagonize a ton of potentially strong townies and to use nukes randomly as mafia. I loved Gb's pardon and I also had already given a semi-tone read on him.
I've talked about rol and I've talked about you. I've hinted I think VE is town.
So yes, I have given plenty of insight.
So you are saying I'm mafia because 1: I said i would keep my eye on marv (????) 2: I didn't rage at GB who I think is town. (????) Which is completely retarded and doesn't make anyone mafia in any world. Despite my current level of activity and the content which I'm posting which I abosolutely never do as mafia because simply I can't keep up. Knowing who the scum team is simply crushes my interest and I have to try really hard to even pretend I have a scum read and I'm a lot more sucint and direct about my reads which I can't justify. You've talked about RoL who I'll give a prise to anyone who can guess his alignment at this point with a good margin of success. You've said you think VE is town, but didn't say why. You haven't talked about Xatalos and Vivax at all which are the main people being discussed. You simply ignored what I've pointed out about BM and read him town randomly. Palmar isn't this bad. He is mafia.
I'm not sure I get the rationale of a mafia-Palmar honing in on a target with the history that you have with each other. Palmar's played plenty of games with you (probably only more with me + VE) and realistically if he wanted to choose a prominent player to target, he should have chosen me, because he loves to scumread me no matter my alignment. Instead he chose you, when (if i'm wrong, correct me) you have quite a good history of trying to read each other.
I like to think I am pretty good at reading Palmar normally and he can easily get into stupid dumb tunnels as town
in the situation of sandroba-town and palmar-mafia, gunning for you seems like a kinda suicidal play with no upsides for him, so i think this can be town-town
Are you sure?
That was made a few irl days ago so ofc we now know it was Town on Scum there between Sandroba and Palmar.
LS, you don't get it.
Marv makes a mason qt with both palmar and VE. He doesn't trust these guys to tell them he was RECRUITED in another qt, but he trusts Damdred, Yamato AND TD (which he trusts is another town mason) to say he IS a POWER ROLE???
Then he ASKS to let Sandroba being added to his qt, and Sandroba is dead at night, and rsoultin is shot at the exact moment she starts suspecting marv and VE
Like, come on.
Are you suggesting that Marv and VE are scum together and killed rsoultin because of it?
On May 15 2015 13:54 Onegu wrote: But serious I dont know how you can dismiss my LS read when I was one of the people who talked to him about it with rsoul. If we didnt just talk to him and tell him it was bad then I would be saying anything but we did, he knows its bad to claim like that as town. He is trying to look like his town meta.
You don't even consider the fact I'm town. Your tunnel is even worse than my tunnel on Stutters in Ippo...............
On May 16 2015 05:04 Stutters695 wrote: Anyway, I'm not 100% on Onegu. I would lynch him off of his filter, but the almost complete lack of resistance bothers me.
Well in Ippo we had little reistance in all our mafia lynches after Day 1 lol.
On May 16 2015 07:14 KelsierSC wrote: I'm torn between Onegu, Oats and Obi.
my read on oats I am not particularly confident in, it was mainly based on his sniping of me around EOD and his voting of me and rudeness.
with obi I think he's mafia but some other people think he's town, I don't really feel confident on this.
With onegu he hasn't offered anything memorable to the game and has a minimal contribution, I liked the case that HtS brought up against him and I think that the vote EOD looks poor for him as he was deliberately not on either of the two town wagons , like palmar. Another more long term reason is that it will give me more information about obi and the state of the game right now, if onegu is mafia it probably means we have hit more mafia due to his lack of resistance to the lynch and his apparent low morale.
##vote onegu
What HtS case. Go to her filter she never actually calls me mafia. She says she cant read me and doesn't like the meta on LS claim. Like she says she has been on him since Horn for his meta points he always brings up. That is in game. Me and rsoul had a very long conversation in Team Speak with him about this and why its bad and he shouldnt do it as town. HtS just says I am a ok or fine lynch.
Second LS never mentions about my point about him. He just says he has never claimed as mafia, sidenote HtS just said this also. That makes no difference as this is a themed game and scum most likely got fake claims which make it much easier to fake claim. Also the role he claimed is really easy to fake claim. Its not like he is claiming dreamweaver or janitor.
Like the best scum point on me has been I am lazy this game. I havent been lazy I just dont have many reads. Im also sad I rolled VT in a themed game...
But anyway Im VT not Scum or traitor. After I flip you fools need to take a big look at LS because my read isnt wrong.
Like as town when he gets tunneled he like rage quits which he hasnt done here. Second he still doesnt have any scum reads other than me. Which is the current easy mislynch.
If the only reason you are town reading him is because of his claim. Get the fuck off of it. Its a terrible reason to town read him at this point.
Also why are you against me for throwing my vote away. Its so meh.
##Vote LS
Oh Onegu I prob will flip at the same time assuming the assassin can use his power during the day phase. Anyways your read on me is bad since I'm Town not scum (Although my play been meh I will pick it up once Onegu gets lynched if the Mafia Assassin can't use his power during the day).
On May 16 2015 07:14 KelsierSC wrote: I'm torn between Onegu, Oats and Obi.
my read on oats I am not particularly confident in, it was mainly based on his sniping of me around EOD and his voting of me and rudeness.
with obi I think he's mafia but some other people think he's town, I don't really feel confident on this.
With onegu he hasn't offered anything memorable to the game and has a minimal contribution, I liked the case that HtS brought up against him and I think that the vote EOD looks poor for him as he was deliberately not on either of the two town wagons , like palmar. Another more long term reason is that it will give me more information about obi and the state of the game right now, if onegu is mafia it probably means we have hit more mafia due to his lack of resistance to the lynch and his apparent low morale.
##vote onegu
What HtS case. Go to her filter she never actually calls me mafia. She says she cant read me and doesn't like the meta on LS claim. Like she says she has been on him since Horn for his meta points he always brings up. That is in game. Me and rsoul had a very long conversation in Team Speak with him about this and why its bad and he shouldnt do it as town. HtS just says I am a ok or fine lynch.
Second LS never mentions about my point about him. He just says he has never claimed as mafia, sidenote HtS just said this also. That makes no difference as this is a themed game and scum most likely got fake claims which make it much easier to fake claim. Also the role he claimed is really easy to fake claim. Its not like he is claiming dreamweaver or janitor.
Like the best scum point on me has been I am lazy this game. I havent been lazy I just dont have many reads. Im also sad I rolled VT in a themed game...
But anyway Im VT not Scum or traitor. After I flip you fools need to take a big look at LS because my read isnt wrong.
Like as town when he gets tunneled he like rage quits which he hasnt done here. Second he still doesnt have any scum reads other than me. Which is the current easy mislynch.
If the only reason you are town reading him is because of his claim. Get the fuck off of it. Its a terrible reason to town read him at this point.
Also why are you against me for throwing my vote away. Its so meh.
##Vote LS
Oh Onegu I prob will flip at the same time assuming the assassin can use his power during the day phase. Anyways your read on me is bad since I'm Town not scum (Although my play been meh I will pick it up once Onegu gets lynched if the Mafia Assassin can't use his power during the day).
Also HTS did make a 2 post thing about why you're scum too.
EPT
