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On May 13 2015 11:13 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2015 11:02 GlowingBear wrote:
For what I've counted, I slightly exceeded post count.
I need people to give me posts. Just three more are okay.
I'm not putting any content in here because I don't want to be unfair and keep exceeding post count. This is just a "begging" ##Give GlowingBear 3 postsIm not going to lynch BH, and I am kinda ok with xata... I think the best lynch tomorrow is LS or Rsoul though... LS is still just not giving concrete reads which he does as town he is just commenting on the thread sentiment.
I did give concrete reads on rsoultin, HTS, and KSC you misrepresenting me here........
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On May 13 2015 12:31 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2015 11:13 Onegu wrote:On May 13 2015 11:02 GlowingBear wrote:
For what I've counted, I slightly exceeded post count.
I need people to give me posts. Just three more are okay.
I'm not putting any content in here because I don't want to be unfair and keep exceeding post count. This is just a "begging" ##Give GlowingBear 3 postsIm not going to lynch BH, and I am kinda ok with xata... I think the best lynch tomorrow is LS or Rsoul though... LS is still just not giving concrete reads which he does as town he is just commenting on the thread sentiment. I did give concrete reads on rsoultin, HTS, and KSC you misrepresenting me here........
EBWOP: I also had a strong Town read on BM before he got shot.
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Honestly I still a little stunned about Vivax getting lynched and the fact that the mods didn't see I swap my vote to Xata......... Also Marv is correct on Storm about how Rebirthoflegend actually afked his way to victory there (He had a 1 page filter for 3 day phases worth of play lol). Also I sorta like GB case but I would prefer a Xata lynch but if Xata isn't getting lynched I could switch over to Oats. Also lol at Palmar finally seeing the light that Sandroba is town like I been preaching it a little bit. Although I kinda dislike Onegu misrepresenting me on his segement on me not having concrete reads when I did (KSC, rsoultin, Sandroba, BM, Sandroba*Forgot to mention him in my post when I was quoting Onegu but I did talk a bit about Sandroba being town*) he could be town but still he was misrepresenting me................. I here anyone if you guys want to speak to me about anything.
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On May 14 2015 03:08 Onegu wrote:
Ok LS is lieing he doesnt have any strong scum reads at all this game. He scum read vivax for being different than what he remembers. Then after scum reading Vivax all game he wants to switch to xata because, well Im not really sure he never really gives a good reason to...
A town LS actively looks for scum. He is not doing any of that this game.
Second read his filter he is basicly only giving town reads. And commenting on what is popular in the thread. I mean he made 3 posts on who the smurf is...
This isnt a LS town game.
@rsoul. LOL at making a novel and then putting inside of it that people wont read it because it is a novel... <3. Still think you are scum with LS this game. You should have no reason to townread him at this point.
I had a strong scumread on Vivax but then I reconsidered later because he started to look very townie and tried to switch Xata since I liked KSC's case on him and other people also thought he was scum and so I tried to change my vote to Xata but for some reason mods didn't see my vote switch at all....... I still think Xata is scum along with Oats, and BH. Again you keep misrepresenting me on my meta because I did try to look for scum as both alignments..................................................................................................................... I mean check out JOAT and Guardians when I was scum............................
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##Give rsoultin 5 posts She is out of posts and would rather have her talk more since I think she is town.
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On May 14 2015 03:35 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On May 14 2015 03:15 LightningStrike wrote:On May 14 2015 03:08 Onegu wrote:
Ok LS is lieing he doesnt have any strong scum reads at all this game. He scum read vivax for being different than what he remembers. Then after scum reading Vivax all game he wants to switch to xata because, well Im not really sure he never really gives a good reason to...
A town LS actively looks for scum. He is not doing any of that this game.
Second read his filter he is basicly only giving town reads. And commenting on what is popular in the thread. I mean he made 3 posts on who the smurf is...
This isnt a LS town game.
@rsoul. LOL at making a novel and then putting inside of it that people wont read it because it is a novel... <3. Still think you are scum with LS this game. You should have no reason to townread him at this point. I had a strong scumread on Vivax but then I reconsidered later because he started to look very townie and tried to switch Xata since I liked KSC's case on him and other people also thought he was scum and so I tried to change my vote to Xata but for some reason mods didn't see my vote switch at all....... I still think Xata is scum along with Oats, and BH. Again you keep misrepresenting me on my meta because I did try to look for scum as both alignments..................................................................................................................... I mean check out JOAT and Guardians when I was scum............................ Ok no meta. You aren't looking for scum and making cases, you are only commenting on the thread direction. Therefore you are only trying to blend in. Therefore you are scum.
Why look if I think I found scum?
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On May 14 2015 03:58 Xatalos wrote:I think I'm about at the post limit so not gonna post much tonight. I guess I should focus more on bigger posts and reading with these restrictions instead of posting whatever I like usual. Thanks for not lynching me yesterday. It was too bad that I had to wake up so early this morning, but life is life. In the next days I should have plenty more time and also capability to stay awake for deadlines. I actually kind of liked BH's recent posts, especially the one where he talked about rsoultin's read changes. It matched well with my own thoughts... So I'm considering just waiting and seeing more from him for now. Right now I'd most want to lynch LS. His attitude is just completely non-town any way I look at it. I may have to reconsider Onegu for a moment after looking at this exchange between LS and Onegu: Show nested quote +On May 14 2015 03:41 LightningStrike wrote:On May 14 2015 03:35 Onegu wrote:On May 14 2015 03:15 LightningStrike wrote:On May 14 2015 03:08 Onegu wrote:
Ok LS is lieing he doesnt have any strong scum reads at all this game. He scum read vivax for being different than what he remembers. Then after scum reading Vivax all game he wants to switch to xata because, well Im not really sure he never really gives a good reason to...
A town LS actively looks for scum. He is not doing any of that this game.
Second read his filter he is basicly only giving town reads. And commenting on what is popular in the thread. I mean he made 3 posts on who the smurf is...
This isnt a LS town game.
@rsoul. LOL at making a novel and then putting inside of it that people wont read it because it is a novel... <3. Still think you are scum with LS this game. You should have no reason to townread him at this point. I had a strong scumread on Vivax but then I reconsidered later because he started to look very townie and tried to switch Xata since I liked KSC's case on him and other people also thought he was scum and so I tried to change my vote to Xata but for some reason mods didn't see my vote switch at all....... I still think Xata is scum along with Oats, and BH. Again you keep misrepresenting me on my meta because I did try to look for scum as both alignments..................................................................................................................... I mean check out JOAT and Guardians when I was scum............................ Ok no meta. You aren't looking for scum and making cases, you are only commenting on the thread direction. Therefore you are only trying to blend in. Therefore you are scum. Why look if I think I found scum? ... It felt like Onegu was reading my mind there for a moment. I'm also seriously considering that HtS might be scum. Just look at her overall posting style. It's way too clean and what's worse, "static". One example: I was her go-to lynch for a long time, even after I had started seriously posting for a while, but her read didn't take my many more recent posts into account at all. It didn't evolve. She just kept repeating her old case (2-3 times I think) and didn't interact with me. Ultimately, much later, her answer was something like "I don't see any change in you" when I had definitely started playing way more actively and focused (with some free time I had gained finally). At that point even Damdred and marv had somewhat changed their minds. And as for HtS... nothing? It feels like she just decided a read beforehand and sticked with it for the day. rsoultin: I don't think flavor makes someone town. I'm sure the scumteam would be provided with fakeclaims or the game could easily be broken.
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Read my latest scum games in Jack of all Trades and Guardians and look XXX and Student VII for a quick sample of my town games.
XXX: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/479775-xxx-mini-mafia-a-night-of-debauchery-18?user=lightningstrike
Student VIII: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/483087-newbie-student-mafia-viii?user=LightningStrike
Jack of all Trades: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/476732-jack-of-all-trades-mafia?user=LightningStrike
Guardains: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/480042-tl-mafia-lxx-guardians-of-the-galaxy?user=LightningStrike
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On May 14 2015 04:20 TalkingDead wrote:A few important things. Rsoultin's large posts are really, really off. When I have more time to write up a whole thing I'll do so, but there's very little sense being made in them and she's flat out lying about a few things. More importantly, I want to address Blazinghand's recent scumclaim here. Blazinghand is an experienced player. Show nested quote +On May 14 2015 02:50 Blazinghand wrote:
...so I'm tentatively going to say I think she's (rsoultin) scum. This is the most absolutely passive way I've ever seen BH talk about someone as scum. Blazinghand as a player and as a person is exceptionally cocky. Not confident, cocky. He is not unknown for screaming that someone's scum. He will out-talk, speak over other players, bully players, wiggle and litigate arguments, etc. just to get his point across. Blazinghand as town in no fucking way is he ever passive. Occaisionally, he will not play as town or not play as scum. But he's not a player to beat around the bush. As town, he's not going to mince his words. As town, BH will flat out call people scum; scream it from the heavens repeating and readjusting his argument just to convince people to vote with him. THIS IS NOT TOWN BH!!!! Town BH doesn't loosely be willing to agree to talk about how BH thinks a person is scum. Second... Show nested quote +On May 14 2015 02:50 Blazinghand wrote:Hey Batsnacks, hope you're doing well. I'd like to chat with you about your (link) scumread on Sandro. As far as I can tell, this is your only scumread this game, and in fact that post represents the entirety of your contribution. That, plus the weird poem thing makes me think you've got some kind of Blue role, but nothing actually FITS you knowing Sandro is town or scum during D1. During N0 blue roles get the pm "town" so there's no actions. During D1, msot roles, especially inbestigative ones, don't have actions. For example, I could see you being a Coronor, who can "Can check the alignment and/or roles of unflipped players." according to the OP, but again, it's D1. When I was scumreading Sandro, I didn't think much of it, but since Sandro came through and actually did research about my meta, I don't really think it's possible that Sandro can be scum. He's gotta be town. So now I'm concerned about your read. What's the deal, man?' Town!BH does not intentially try to out people during the night phase. Generally, outing blues in the night phase is pretty terrible play and BH has scolded people before for doing so. However, this type of play is one that's often seen on video mafia. There are a few potential options that BH is trying to do here: 1. BH is traitor and is trying to get mafia to consider an NK for blue snipe on Batsnacks 2. BH is mafia and is trying to setup a blue claim for his partner Batsnacks 3. BH is town and is trying to get mafia to kill lynchbait Batsnacks Here's the thing though, BH scolded GlowingBear here for not knowing about no N0 NKs. He knows that roles didn't go out until the end of N0. So BH is in part trying to establish a blue argument on a player based on the 13th post in the game. BH is clearly not trying or thinking critically here because that argument is the dumbfuckfest central. Then he goes on to point out the Batsnacks soft claim. As town, why would BH ever point this out during the night phase? Maybe it's Batsnacks trying to take a bullet. Maybe it's actually a soft. I don't know. But there's literally no point for BH to direct the soft to the thread's attention as town. The potential loss is almost always greater than the potential gain. BH is a player who is will to take risks as any alignment, but this one is that I don't think I've ever seen him take before as town while at least once arguing against such play. So it's pretty easy to eliminate option 3. I don't care if it's 1 or 2, either way he's not town for it. Marv made an exceptionally sexy post about BH that I want to highlight. When I was looking at BH before and after the lynch, there was at least one exceptionally interesting thing about him. BH deflects from pressure. I don't mean that he pushes it on to other people. Rather, he takes the weakest point of anyone's argument and straw mans the argument so that he looks better. Instead of ever engaging or responding to good arguments (like the one I made that yamato responds to or the extended case the Marv wrote), never once does he address them. In the early case, he engages GlowingBear's weaker argument, never responds to mine and allows thread sentiment to just shift into BillMurray in the silence. In the case of Marv's argument, he interacts with everyone else around Marv's argument. He gets into a shitflinging fest with yamato. He explains how he'll be at dinner for 23 straight hours. He never actually bothers to respond to the main points because it lends credence to the points themselves. While this avoidance is reasonable to good play to avoid being lynched, it is rather telling that BH has continued to play this way. Building upon a point Marv had made earlier, BH clearly isn't thinking or reading critically in any sense. He tried to point out Batsnacks for being blue based on a post that batty wrote after alignments were handed out but before roles were. I ask you, do you really think that Blazinghand is the type of person or player to not think while he's playing? Does he have a tendency as town to show a pattern of not critically thinking about the game in any realistic sense? Do you not want to lynch the ever living fuck out of him?
Sexy combo of you and Marv I may now just want to lynch BH over Xata because of you two but I found your case on BH better than Marv's but you also added onto his cas on BH so it just the perfect combo regardless of Marv's alignment. Can I sheep you now Geript?
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On May 14 2015 04:13 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On May 14 2015 04:10 LightningStrike wrote:On May 14 2015 03:58 Xatalos wrote:I think I'm about at the post limit so not gonna post much tonight. I guess I should focus more on bigger posts and reading with these restrictions instead of posting whatever I like usual. Thanks for not lynching me yesterday. It was too bad that I had to wake up so early this morning, but life is life. In the next days I should have plenty more time and also capability to stay awake for deadlines. I actually kind of liked BH's recent posts, especially the one where he talked about rsoultin's read changes. It matched well with my own thoughts... So I'm considering just waiting and seeing more from him for now. Right now I'd most want to lynch LS. His attitude is just completely non-town any way I look at it. I may have to reconsider Onegu for a moment after looking at this exchange between LS and Onegu: On May 14 2015 03:41 LightningStrike wrote:On May 14 2015 03:35 Onegu wrote:On May 14 2015 03:15 LightningStrike wrote:On May 14 2015 03:08 Onegu wrote:
Ok LS is lieing he doesnt have any strong scum reads at all this game. He scum read vivax for being different than what he remembers. Then after scum reading Vivax all game he wants to switch to xata because, well Im not really sure he never really gives a good reason to...
A town LS actively looks for scum. He is not doing any of that this game.
Second read his filter he is basicly only giving town reads. And commenting on what is popular in the thread. I mean he made 3 posts on who the smurf is...
This isnt a LS town game.
@rsoul. LOL at making a novel and then putting inside of it that people wont read it because it is a novel... <3. Still think you are scum with LS this game. You should have no reason to townread him at this point. I had a strong scumread on Vivax but then I reconsidered later because he started to look very townie and tried to switch Xata since I liked KSC's case on him and other people also thought he was scum and so I tried to change my vote to Xata but for some reason mods didn't see my vote switch at all....... I still think Xata is scum along with Oats, and BH. Again you keep misrepresenting me on my meta because I did try to look for scum as both alignments..................................................................................................................... I mean check out JOAT and Guardians when I was scum............................ Ok no meta. You aren't looking for scum and making cases, you are only commenting on the thread direction. Therefore you are only trying to blend in. Therefore you are scum. Why look if I think I found scum? ... It felt like Onegu was reading my mind there for a moment. I'm also seriously considering that HtS might be scum. Just look at her overall posting style. It's way too clean and what's worse, "static". One example: I was her go-to lynch for a long time, even after I had started seriously posting for a while, but her read didn't take my many more recent posts into account at all. It didn't evolve. She just kept repeating her old case (2-3 times I think) and didn't interact with me. Ultimately, much later, her answer was something like "I don't see any change in you" when I had definitely started playing way more actively and focused (with some free time I had gained finally). At that point even Damdred and marv had somewhat changed their minds. And as for HtS... nothing? It feels like she just decided a read beforehand and sticked with it for the day. rsoultin: I don't think flavor makes someone town. I'm sure the scumteam would be provided with fakeclaims or the game could easily be broken. Read my latest scum games in Jack of all Trades and Guardians and look XXX and Student VII for a quick sample of my town games. XXX: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/479775-xxx-mini-mafia-a-night-of-debauchery-18?user=lightningstrikeStudent VIII: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/483087-newbie-student-mafia-viii?user=LightningStrikeJack of all Trades: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/476732-jack-of-all-trades-mafia?user=LightningStrikeGuardains: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/480042-tl-mafia-lxx-guardians-of-the-galaxy?user=LightningStrike Im not using meta, you are scummy because you are doing scummy things and not making your own reads or trying to find scum...
........................................... Entertain me bro make a case if you think I scum.
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On May 14 2015 04:30 rsoultin wrote:
82/84
-facedesks-
I give up I'm just gonna go back to my regular play lol ><
-dances on a table-
bats is town! bh is dumb! (and when you see how dumb you are i will lolololol)
gb is town! bh is dumb!
bh is dumb or scum!
talkingdead, of course my giant posts look different xP that's the point. i never post that way lol ><
i am town! you all are dumb!
and bh admits to wanting to lynch a tooooownie just because he doesn't like how she plaaaaaays
-dances on the table some more-
(legitimately, td, if i've got facts wrong you should bring it up...i did filter dive but a lot of that is from memory :/)
I gave 5 posts and called you town though so I not dumb?
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On May 14 2015 05:57 Damdred wrote:
Sorry been afk had a hell of a day. Should cat h up and be productive shortly
When you are caught up can I have your reads please?
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On May 14 2015 06:00 yamato77 wrote:
sandro
rso
ksc
trfel
LS
geript/td
marv?
HtS?
damdred?
GB?
JAT?
Xatalos?
Obi?
VE
RoL
Stutters
batsnacks
Oats
Onegu
Palmar
BH
Can you explain your reads please?
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On May 14 2015 06:49 sandroba wrote:
So HTS and LS, when is it ok to start considering lynching stutters?
When we figure out he's mafia.
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Just got back from Pokemon and Palmar flipped scum and Stutters claim the shot :O Also judging the fact that we had 3 kp 1 from Vig Stutters and the rest seems to be scum since scum got a assassin. Also HTS had a question:
On May 14 2015 08:41 Half the Sky wrote:60/65 3 from Bats, 2 from OneguI'm back, gonna cram as much stuff I can in the last half hour here.... BatsI wasn't clear on why you were voting Sandroba. I'm not clear on where you stand now. You'd probably be in all honesty a slight scumlean at this point. I wasn't even scumreading you (Sandroba was) the first time you asked this and you seemed worried I was going to push your lynch. This go, I just did a voting analysis even though I had stronger reads on other people for other reasons. I get a paranoia feeling from you, I don't recall you asking questions like this before. Kelsier I had some questions to TD - what do you think of TD's answers? It's a few posts after my post on Stutters. As an aside, I'm getting more irritated with LS's posting. He's not coherent but that's not my problem with him. He's not particularly being helpful either even with the use of meta. I know he throws meta links and he's been criticised for that before as town, but the one distinct thing I'm noticing as this thread grows is that LS will post mainly after he's called out. I've noticed that 2-3 times. From what I'm reading, he's sheeping his town reads, but I am having difficulty discerning from a scum who is sheeping a wrong read. Tone wise, I townread him in his scumgames, so I am ignoring that. The main scum tell for him is not posting as much. LS, do you have any stances on anyone new besides those you have mentioned?
Stutters as town since he's the unCCed Vig but nothing else I prob should prob VE to figure him out better. Also where is your 20 questions?
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You know fuck it I was hiding my role but I am the Martyr I was protecting GlowingBear incase he was targeted by KP because I thought he would get shot was thinking of protect him or Sandroba but I felt like GlowingBear was the better shot for scum since he can push hard for lynches from my experience playing with him. Also I wasn't here at End of Day 1 at deadline I even admitted it here: On May 13 2015 09:55 LightningStrike wrote:
Just got home and for some reason Vivax ended up getting lynched over Xata or BH............ Well it seems like shenanigans happened when I was gone and HTS hammered Vivax. Also to answer Yamato there was a better case by KSC and others on Xata over BH at least in my mind but next Day Phase I can go for either a Xata or a BH lynch. Also thanks for your response and hopefully you can talk more later if someone gives you more posts.
I didn't expect Vivax to get lynched my vote was on someone who I thought a wagon would happen on (Xata).
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On May 14 2015 22:46 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2015 09:00 Hapahauli wrote:Final Day 1 Vote Count: Vivax (8) - BlazingHand, Marvellosity, Xatalos, Half The Sky, KelsierSC, TalkingDead, Justanothertownie, Oatsmaster, Xatalos (2) - Vivax, LightningStrike Rsoultin (1) - Onegu Palmar (1) - RebirthOfLegend Sandroba (2) - Palmar, Batsnacks BlazingHand (7) - rsoultin, Sandroba, Yamato77, ObiWanShinobi, Damdred, Trfel, GlowingBear, Just for informational purposes.
Hello VE thoughts so far on everyone?
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On May 14 2015 22:52 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2015 23:47 VisceraEyes wrote:TOWN21. VisceraEyes 1. marvellosity 3. GlowingBear 4. Trfel 5. sandroba 6. Half the Sky 8. yamato77 11. rsoultin 18. KelsierSC 19. TalkingDead 14. Blazinghand17. Damdred23. Vivax24. Stutters695 MAFIA2. Onegu 7. Xatalos 9. batsnacks 12. Oatsmaster 15. RebirthOfLeGenD 20. PalmarIDONTKNOW10. ObiWanShinobi 13. LightningStrike 16. Bill Murray 22. justanothertownie This is where I'm at currently. As for my mafia list, Onegu and Xata are pretty much either/or...if one of them is mafia, the other probably is not. They've both done things I would classify as scummy, but Xata was going on and on about Onegu being the Traitor and voted for him (uselessy) D1. I...don't think they do that as mafia/mafia. Batsnacks is pretty straight-forward. I mentioned earlier how he came into the game early on spouting nonsense, and then when he came back he pretended to have contributions (Sandroba is mafia, but I can't tell you why because ROOOOLLEEEE). Oatsmaster is more of a tone read. As town I feel like Oats gives fewer fucks what people say and think, and in this game he seems to care a great deal what people think. RoL is probably mafia because of his repeated promises to contribute and then lack of following through. I think he does this as either alignment, but as town he actually has content in his few bouts of activity. This game we get ZERO content. It reminds me very much of his play in Storm, where he was AFK mafia. Palmar is just fun to lynch, but I also think he's probably mafia here too. His case on sandroba is laughably bad (in that it ignores the fact that sandroba is capable of everything Palmar is accusing him of as town, and meta-wise sandroba is like never mafia this game) and his responses to people calling it bad are bad (marv is mafia?!?!?!). Everyone on my town list is there because they're active in the game and seem to be obviously trying to figure it out. My order isn't important (I think most of it is in order of the playerlist) but I moved myself to the top for obvious reasons.  If you're in my IDONTKNOW list then you should probably do something about that before tomorrow. I still wanna follow my lynch list to a degree. Aside from some of my I-Don't-Knows being moved up to town, not much has changed for me based on both what's been said AND the general state of the game.
Just wanted to see if any progressed for your reads since EoN that was all.
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On May 14 2015 23:26 Xatalos wrote:LOL what... Show nested quote +On May 14 2015 22:41 LightningStrike wrote:You know fuck it I was hiding my role but I am the Martyr I was protecting GlowingBear incase he was targeted by KP because I thought he would get shot was thinking of protect him or Sandroba but I felt like GlowingBear was the better shot for scum since he can push hard for lynches from my experience playing with him. Also I wasn't here at End of Day 1 at deadline I even admitted it here: On May 13 2015 09:55 LightningStrike wrote:
Just got home and for some reason Vivax ended up getting lynched over Xata or BH............ Well it seems like shenanigans happened when I was gone and HTS hammered Vivax. Also to answer Yamato there was a better case by KSC and others on Xata over BH at least in my mind but next Day Phase I can go for either a Xata or a BH lynch. Also thanks for your response and hopefully you can talk more later if someone gives you more posts. I didn't expect Vivax to get lynched my vote was on someone who I thought a wagon would happen on (Xata). What's a Martyr even? And why did you claim now?
I protect 1 person every night if they get targeted by KP I take the kp instead. I just tired of people thinking I am scum based on BH being town.......
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On May 14 2015 23:30 Xatalos wrote:
That's not why I've thought of you as scum at all though :/
That was mainly at GlowingBear.
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WTF JAT why you shot rsoultin  Also Nukes don't always hit as far I know.
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