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Here's where I stand for D1 - need to catch up on the last 5-7 pages, but my top lynches right now:
Vivax, Xatalos and from what I've read of Oats I didn't like him either, but I feel less strongly on him than I do the first two.
Onegu I'm pretty torn on based on what I know from his gameplay (though if he's done anything substantial in the last 5-7 pages, surely I've missed it). I was splitting hairs on him as both alignments; I am pretty confident at this stage Ras is town. I saw the post where I may have misinterpreted Rasputin and unless I'm misunderstanding again - whilst he's not using all the points to meta read Ras as scum (particularly her read on him), he's using a few...I'm not sure that makes him mafia.
I don't like BH either, not so much for the anti-nukes or how he used them but for the fact he's doing jack all in respect to scumhunting.
Bats and Stutters are what I would consider (pure) policy lynches.
OWS' filter is sparse but the one thing that jumped out at me (and not in a good way) was his response to Vivax -
On May 12 2015 02:54 ObiWanShinobi wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2015 02:52 Vivax wrote:
On my read so far I also had the feeling JAT was mafia but I really had nothing I could justify it with. On the other hand lots of people seem to think the same but I will need to find something tangible on my own.
The nuke business was pretty interesting. Trfel was in the scummish list of BH during N0 and D1 BH didn't really bother to even figure his alignment out before deciding the anti-nuke. He only asked a question but doesn't seem puzzled about whether he should use it or not. Beautiful. Back to townpile with you.
Then he posts he'd move him back to the lynch pile if he didn't do more. Can't tell if that's an attempt at blending in, but he didn't seem to look at Vivax as criticially as he should.
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On May 12 2015 20:52 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2015 20:44 Oatsmaster wrote:On May 12 2015 20:41 GlowingBear wrote:
Damdy, you asked me questions, never followed up. You said my read on BH is good, but it didn't change your vote, nor created interest in you to pursue more information on him.
Can you give more inputs about this?
Let's lynch BH?
Would you lynch Oats?
What did you make of my answer? dude you arent fucking lynching me again day 1 for no reason. Ok lets lynch Xata then. 100% scum. Im not even kidding I'm not lynching Xata. Let's lynch BH? I don't remember lynching you on day one ever. Also, care to answer my questions? Filter dive me, there is an ordered list of 4 directed to you Also, why am I town for you?
How is Xatalos' play any different from the way he played in Carol? You cased him for murky reads amongst other things. He's doing the same thing here. I think I drew a few parallels, Damdred I think did the same somewhere in this thread.
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Yamato and GB are more likely town, especially since the former activity's picked up.
Regarding Bill Murray, I'm not sure I buy the explanations he's had after the fact. There are a few things that I must point out:
On May 12 2015 11:57 Bill Murray wrote:
The only defense I need is the timing of when I shot my nukes. I wanted to either fire my nukes during the early or late portions of the cycle. If you look at the cycle as the twin turbine engines of a Boeing 747, it's the risky portions! Takeoff and Landing... That's a bad example. If you look at my nukes as a woman, I wanted it to be her eyes. You see, I didn't expect to make it out of the night. Why would I? I always get killed Night 1. The last 3 games I've played I've gotten N1, and now I'm get to get D1ed when I was to be getting to flip someone I thought was scum. I have meta on Trfel and his play is different this game than last. If he active lurks as mafia like he does as town (most mafia do) then he's fucking mafia.
Am I misreading the bolded? So you're acknowledging that he does active lurk as town but somehow you made another differentiator that early in the game to determine he's mafia? It doesn't add up how you made that judgement so early in the game where a number of people were lurking.
On May 12 2015 11:57 Bill Murray wrote:My first nuke was fired in my first post of the cycle. I wanted to create discussion, and I was firing based upon (at the time) my strongest scumread. I had been reading filters, and the moment I saw Trfel's meager 1 post, I didn't even have to read it to think he was scum. It was just completely a content difference from the last game I played in when we both got killed Night 1 as town together. I thought he was scum that game, too... Bad of me, but everyone makes mistakes, just like I did here. My Nuke was fired during takeoff! My real rocket, at Trufel, I posted it in my first post! I wanted to go ahead and get shit out in the open. If you have a hindrance you claim it, you let people know. I guess I should have told everyone that I had nukes... but what if people didn't want me to fire it? what if you guys just started to vote me and i didnt get to fire it at all? that wasnt going to fly. What if I had explained to the people that didn't know me that I am really bad at town and used to be policy lynched for my play which is much like this that is happening to me right now. I am having memories of 5 years ago when RebirthofLegend, LSB, and Jackal58 would spam "Policy lynch BM" just to be utter dickheads to me which wasn't fucking cool at all.
Two questions/issues arise from this:
1 No one was scumreading Trfel at the time you launched a nuke (not that I remember) - 1-2 were cautious maybe?, Rasputin I think was calling him lazy. But you pushing Trfel hard would have gotten the attention needed without the use of a nuke.
2 The second bolded statement - if you're realising these mistakes now, why is history repeating itself? Did you really think with the current reads in the thead - and the way you listed me, Trfel and TD's names (though you acknowledged you misread me) - people were going to be thrilled with you nuking someone? You didn't see the suboptimal play happening when you know you've been policied for it before? It doesn't make sense to explain all this after the fact. Or rather I'm not finding it credible.
That all said, I'm disappointed in Trfel not coming forth with his suspicions of other people, but I've seen him do similar things as town (example - Newbie LX) refusing to give reads the entire cycle or something like that. On meta, it doesn't make him mafia.
On May 12 2015 11:57 Bill Murray wrote:I just don't want to get killed in the first damn cycle again. Come on, guys. I want to help lynch people and make good cases on people. please 
BM, if you're here, I'm not sure either of Onegu or Trfel are getting lynched. Do you have any other scumreads?
Also general question - I've not played ever with a pardoner, how does that work? If GB pardons BM, everyone on his wagon has to vote someone else?
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On May 12 2015 19:36 sandroba wrote:
@marv I noticed a certain absence of stutters in your proposed lynches and would like to know why that is.
Stutters is an anti-D1 player, pretty much the same category as players like VA, kushm4sta, etc he will not contribute much of anything D1 as either alignment. D2, he picks it up as both alignments, and it's much easier to evaluate him starting post-lynch.
NSM9 just ended and he explained in that game RL was keeping him busy. In any case, he's a policy lynch to me.
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On May 12 2015 14:07 Trfel wrote:
Actually.... RebirthOfLeGenD just ninja-voted (well, he explained it like 12 hours ago).
Why is he present enough to vote in the voting thread, but not to read/post in this thread? I heard justanothertownie say that he can be extremely lazy as town, can someone confirm if this is true? Otherwise I could very easily lynch him.
I forgot ROL even existed. He's also policy for me at this point.
That all said Trfel, do you have any additional scumreads? Not looking like it from your filter. I know even LS called you on it too, now that BM's been pardoned, who are you going to vote for now?
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On May 12 2015 21:34 sandroba wrote:
I would like to lynch between RoL, VE, stutters and bats today if BM is not an option. Every other player did posted something townie to lesser or greater degrees in my eyes at some point. These 4 I can't find anything townie about them.
Three of those four are policy. ROL/Stutters lurk as either alignment. Bats tends to lurk more as mafia than town, but he lurked hard in Aperture 4 as town. You could (statistically) argue that Bats is a scummy lurker, but there are better lynches IMO.
VE to me has been forgettable but nothing jumped out to me as scumlike for him.
How are you not lynching Vivax or Xatalos?
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On May 12 2015 21:35 sandroba wrote:
Actually taking meta into account VE might be the best lynch for today.
I played one game with him - Hammertime, a 9-player game. He was town. Didn't spam a whole lot, but wasn't particularly remarkable that game. He made some decent reads though by mid-game and he did figure out one of the scummers.
How is he jumping out as scummy to you? He doesn't/didn't strike me as a town leader.
(Anyone else who knows VE well can also comment.)
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I know Kelsier brought it up in his latest list of reads but for emphasis, if JAT could grace us yet again with his wisdom, that would be quite grand. We miss his insights 
(Seriously, wish he'd be contributing more. Yamato is probably on to something.)
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Marv - My guess is probably. Whenever either of the mods get to it, they are both Stateside it appears so it could be awhile.
On May 12 2015 22:06 batsnacks wrote:
HTS did you read my filter y/n?
Bats - I read it yesterday, but not this morning, all I remember (prior to reading now) is you having three town reads.
My last statement on you was talking about your activity across all games.
That all said, you wouldn't be a D1 lynch for me. Not compared to who I am scumreading.
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On May 12 2015 03:11 batsnacks wrote:
Trfel, bm and BH are probably all town because why would mafia do any of that? amirite?
Although at this stage of the game, if you're town, you probably should have some scumreads. There are some issues I have cited with all three you've listed, have your thoughts changed on the above three since you last posted? I don't like BM's post-explanation (my explanation on previous page) for one.
If nothing else you should lynch Xata or Vivax.
Have to AFK but will be back.
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On May 12 2015 22:12 batsnacks wrote:
I'm not worried about being the lynch. I'm worried about you having read my filter and still wanting to lynch me. You read my filter and still want to lynch me right?
You're not reading the thread. No I don't want to lynch you, but Sandroba does (see previous page). You should ask why he wants to lynch you.
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On May 12 2015 22:16 TalkingDead wrote:
He's fluctuated in usefullness last I knew although I think tending to hit a bit more useful as town in general. It's not just the VE read. You're preferred lynches are three policy lurker lynches and VE. Not Xatalos who Damdred made a good post on late in his filter. Not Vivax who has been rather uninteresting at best and, if I recall, openly "tanking" his game; something he'd be more than willing to claim as mafia. Not Oats who, if I recall, you agreed pretty heavily with my earlier points on. Not Onegu who is BOTH a lurker AND playing a game which is reasonably different from his normal town game. Not LIghtningStrike who is both less active, less excited to play AND less filter/meta-divey than he usually is as town on top of his odd opening. You don't include someone like ObiWanShinobi who is a decent shot for blendy scum.
Like your reads are drastically different from mine and from most other veterans. On top of that you're going after lurkers which I don't think I've ever seen you do before as town.
This so much. I'm torn on Onegu (he lurks as both alignments), but didn't like OWS' reasoning for towning Vivax at all.
Really hated Vivax's excuse for tanking his town game.
Though if you read Sandroba's response to me, he thinks Vivax's posts are town. (He did say he could get on a Xatalos lynch.)
How do you come to that conclusion Sandroba? What posts jumped out as town?
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On May 12 2015 22:38 LightningStrike wrote:
Palmar I think Sandroba is town since he did nothing at all the last time he was scum with me in JOAT except for a shitty cop check shannie trying go for a double bus on me and Sandroba and this game he been doing lots of analyses so I believe quite frankly he's town. BTW I will take a look at RebirthofLegend's meta and see if it matches what people said of him being lazy as town.
Read pages 51-53 of the thread, and specifically sandroba's responses to TD, myself, JAT, etc.
We're not having a problem with his activity this game. It's his read progression.
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On May 12 2015 22:51 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2015 22:44 Half the Sky wrote:35/60 On May 12 2015 22:38 LightningStrike wrote:
Palmar I think Sandroba is town since he did nothing at all the last time he was scum with me in JOAT except for a shitty cop check shannie trying go for a double bus on me and Sandroba and this game he been doing lots of analyses so I believe quite frankly he's town. BTW I will take a look at RebirthofLegend's meta and see if it matches what people said of him being lazy as town. Read pages 51-53 of the thread, and specifically sandroba's responses to TD, myself, JAT, etc. We're not having a problem with his activity this game. It's his read progression. I sometimes have weird read progression myself so sometimes townies have that issue. Although I do agree about something about bats when he's scum: He's a lurker based on Aperture when he was scum.
Bah, I stand corrected on my previous statement - re: Bats, he lurked hard in JOAT as town, not in Aperture 4.
Point is I've seen him lurk as both alignments, though I've heard from others he does it more as scum.
And LS, when you're town, we can follow you once we flesh it out. We're not able to do the same for sandroba.
Nonetheless you should be voting Vivax or Xatalos today.
Bill Murray has been pardoned.
On May 12 2015 22:19 justanothertownie wrote:
Sandro are you familiar with the way Vivax plays town recently? His towngame looks NOTHING like this. If you want examples look at imperial mafia or void mafia. I am sure there are other examples I forgot.
....or Guardians for that matter. He was one of the craziest spammers in that game.
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On May 12 2015 23:03 TalkingDead wrote:
Also. People need to keep their votes on BillMurray for a while. We need to make sure he can't launch any more nukes until a vigilante deals with him. Muy importante!!!!!!
He's been pardoned, and it's still early in the US, so assuming he's pardoned, he might be able to?
Can someone explain how the pardon works? It is my first game with this mechanic.
Does the pardon force people on his wagon to move to another wagon or does automatically it negate those votes? Because if it does then GB (who did the pardoning) will have just allowed that.
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EBWOP
On May 12 2015 23:06 Half the Sky wrote:
Does the pardon force people on his wagon to move to another wagon or does automatically it negate those votes? Because if it does then GB (who did the pardoning) will have just allowed that.
In addition to the above question:
Or can people keep their votes on Bill Murray to prevent the nukes and the person with the second highest nr of votes gets lynched?
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On May 12 2015 21:58 sandroba wrote:
I'm not seeing the vivax scum thing besides the meta argument. His posting so far points to town to me. Xatalos I think I could get behind, I didn't like his post regarding BM. The only thing he has going for him is that he called me town at some point.
Regarding sandroba, this is probably the quote I dislike the most so far. Like what about his posting his town? I thought I asked to elaborate before. Because the tanking his game is the worst part about Vivax and posts like these from him
On May 12 2015 03:39 Vivax wrote:
I'm gonna play badly this game btw, but it will help my scum play. Sadly it was one of the things that made rayn quit.
On May 12 2015 04:49 Vivax wrote:
Rso no that much of a pita in this game, what's going on? Actually explaining her reads all the time not just interfering with other people's.
Might be she's aiming for the townie of the month award but then that's what's odd about all of that.
Also she seems particularly attentive to stuff adressed to her, also feels unusual.
Metatonish read, not the rso I'm used to who was always the townie one.
On May 12 2015 06:00 Vivax wrote:
LS I'm sort of confident you're town and I'm a pleb, why do you think I'm mafia?
...are basically him just posting to post - no follow through on Rasputin whatsoever if he truly suspected her.
When pressured on other people that looked bad he just gave the vague answer of "they all look towny in some way" (paraphrasing) and he's going for pure policy folks, which is generally scum play (going solely after lurkers). I don't know why it took Rayn/TD to spell all the possible scum players for him just now and even after that, I don't think he's checked on it let alone budging....save for Xatalos. Which could be trying to blend in at this point.
*shrug*
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On May 12 2015 22:34 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2015 22:32 Palmar wrote:
There is not nearly enough emotions in the thread about GB pardoning BM. Why aren't yall people who think BM is mafia absolutely frothing right now? There is no point. It was idiotic but it's not like it makes GB mafia. If this gets confirmed we just have to save everything BM related for tomorrow or shoot him.
This is how I feel. Based on his prior gameplay, I think GB is town, and I'm separating this from what I feel is suboptimal play (the pardon). A true vote on BM would have gotten a lot of information and him pardoning BM prevents that.
I also still don't know whether the pardon keeps the votes on BM (and the lynch defaults to the second highest with the possibility of Trfel getting nuked) or whether the people currently on his wagon have to revote. Because knowing that would help in terms of where people stood if they didn't have to revote.
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Damdred - really? You just shot BM?
On May 12 2015 01:10 Damdred wrote:
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I think we should lynch xatalos!
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On May 12 2015 01:41 Damdred wrote:
Can we not policy lynch vivax today XD maybe a day vig could just take him out lol.
I agree roughly that the pregame where BM gave his posts up and didn't do much is kinda meh. It helped me immensely at that juncture though. As such the excuse that BM used to fire the nuke isn't necessarily the least believable thing I've ever read. It's based on meta yes but I didn't feel it was horrible, it could of led to some really useful information and its a pity that it didn't.
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On May 12 2015 06:46 Damdred wrote:
Xata is a good chance at Scum I still think.
However I have a plan, a great plan.
We stop voting for bm.
We let bm fire his nuke at oneg or oats any other bh blows it up.
The day vig can then decide to shoot bm or not.
We then let thread decide the lynch outside policy.
This would get the most information out.
What you did was incomprensible with your previous line of thinking.
The pardon (US hosts aren't around yet) would have accomplished that if I'm not mistaken.
Why did you use your day vig shot against BM when you could have used it against Xatalos or Vivax?
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Never mind you ninjaed me Damdred.
On May 13 2015 00:05 Damdred wrote:
Xata should be the lynch yes, he's my top suspect and I was pretty sure that I could push the thread that way in an ordinary fashion with how many posts I have etc.,
It does suck that no alignment will flip, that's why I didn't shoot one of mu scum reads early and used it on a policy. If we catch a couple of mafia I believe that we will be able to determine if bm was mafia or not. It sucks but tommorow would of been dominated by bm talk again.
And you can pretend to not understand why I did it but it makes sense
The problem here is - whilst I am also convinced Xatalos is mafia - there are a load more people willing to vote Xatalos/Vivax. You'd have gotten a scum down for sure with Xatalos/Vivax and gotten more information about the subsequent vote.
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