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justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16317 Posts
May 11 2015 15:13 GMT
#543
Conclusion: Palmars jokes suck.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16317 Posts
May 11 2015 15:16 GMT
#546
On May 12 2015 00:13 marvellosity wrote:
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On May 12 2015 00:06 VisceraEyes wrote:
Marv you've said what you think about the nuke - that you think it was a not-town nuke, and your reasoning. That's all nice.

Does that make the anti-nuke not-not-town? Because I'm having a hard time with BH just shooting that out of the sky myself, like...there wasn't even enough time for the nuke to apply any pressure.

yeah I mentioned myself that I don't think shooting it down asap was a good play at all.

I think to answer your question (in amongst the double negatives) - if BM is mafia, it doesn't necessarily make BH town. but it would point that way (i assume if BH is mafia then mafia is afraid of town nukers and therefore wouldn't waste an anti-nuke on a scumbuddy's nuke)

But it really only makes sense for scum BH to shoot the nuke down if Trfel is scum. There is no way you do that otherwise.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16317 Posts
May 11 2015 15:38 GMT
#554
On May 12 2015 00:37 marvellosity wrote:
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On May 12 2015 00:36 Palmar wrote:
I have found 3 people that call me palmer consistently.

geript, sicklucker, tehpoofter.

all my money on geript

Mine too. If that's SL I will be eating hats.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16317 Posts
May 11 2015 16:09 GMT
#564
On May 12 2015 01:02 Half the Sky wrote:
9/60

JAT, where do you stand with reads? From reading your filter, you are scumreading ROL.

Who else?

(Also can those familiar with ROL fill me in on what to look for if he's scum? He is the only person I've never played with or hosted on the playerlist. Cheers.)

I never said I am scumreading RoL - he could be anything really because afaik he is a lurky fuck regardless of alignment.

I don't know who I want to lynch yet. GB had some really really strange posts but he is GB and I also doubt he is this good of an actor. Maybe LS. Damdred brought up a pretty good point about LS only discussing his entrance. I would also be down to policy lynch BM.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16317 Posts
May 11 2015 16:22 GMT
#570
On May 12 2015 01:20 LightningStrike wrote:
Okay so I not even close to hitting my post limit so yay I can post more freely (bounces around the thread aimlessly). But seriously I donm't think TD is sicklucker or geript for different reasons. sicklucker doesn't post like TD does at all and usually bounces off the walls. TD isn't Geript because by meta Geript doesn't like that even in post restricted games (or his own imposed limit) he usually in his own catch up or imposed limit games he did similar to the style of posting I used in Night 0. I will check out tehppofter in a little bit to see how many games he played and check out his meta. I will report back when I done with my research of his meta.

LS, I really think you could do more important/interesting things than trying to figure this smurf out.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16317 Posts
May 11 2015 16:25 GMT
#574
On May 12 2015 01:23 Half the Sky wrote:
11/60

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On May 12 2015 01:10 Damdred wrote:
Good morning people, damdred is back on the case.

Many things have happened and yet not a ton at the same time, I feel a lot better about Marv and somewhat better about palmar.

Sand in not sure exactly why you say that about my game and the desparity between this game and others I really don't believe it lol.

I think id rather not lynch bm today, a nuke this early by scum doesn't make a ton of sense to me.

I think we should lynch xatalos!

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Regarding BM, the main problem I'm having is why he picked Trfel over some of the other potential lurkers or even Palmar by his own standards. To be that sure on one person without asking questions...

He also said he was working on a big post during pre-game....looked at his filter and he's provided some reads but I presumed that "big post" was on what he had thought on pre-game and his refusal to post could have just been a way of trying to skate by pre-game by not doing anything. I don't know his town meta so I'm disregarding it.

Xatalos is in the same boat as Rasputin - decent start but not posted in some hours. I know from Carol (which was his last game anyways) a scumtell for him is loose read, but activity seemed alright and on par in Carol - but does he just go straight up inactive as scum?

Vivax on the other hand has done jack all, and his scum meta (as is Yamato's, though I'm less certain on him for activity) is doing jack all. So why Xata over him?

I actually forgot Vivax is even in this game for a while. Lynch with fire.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16317 Posts
May 11 2015 16:32 GMT
#578
On May 12 2015 01:29 LightningStrike wrote:
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On May 12 2015 01:22 justanothertownie wrote:
On May 12 2015 01:20 LightningStrike wrote:
Okay so I not even close to hitting my post limit so yay I can post more freely (bounces around the thread aimlessly). But seriously I donm't think TD is sicklucker or geript for different reasons. sicklucker doesn't post like TD does at all and usually bounces off the walls. TD isn't Geript because by meta Geript doesn't like that even in post restricted games (or his own imposed limit) he usually in his own catch up or imposed limit games he did similar to the style of posting I used in Night 0. I will check out tehppofter in a little bit to see how many games he played and check out his meta. I will report back when I done with my research of his meta.

LS, I really think you could do more important/interesting things than trying to figure this smurf out.

Good point I just checked 2 of his game and already noticed that it's not Tehpoofter's posting style either so who knows we just have to roll a rng die to figure him out. What your thoughts on TD?

I did not really have a problem with any of his posts so far. The town-town mafia-mafia stuff I admit was a bit weird but I don't see why it was a mafia thing to say.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16317 Posts
May 11 2015 16:43 GMT
#584
On May 12 2015 01:41 Damdred wrote:
Can we not policy lynch vivax today XD maybe a day vig could just take him out lol.

I agree roughly that the pregame where BM gave his posts up and didn't do much is kinda meh. It helped me immensely at that juncture though. As such the excuse that BM used to fire the nuke isn't necessarily the least believable thing I've ever read. It's based on meta yes but I didn't feel it was horrible, it could of led to some really useful information and its a pity that it didn't.


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Vivax is certainly not a policy lynch.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16317 Posts
May 11 2015 16:47 GMT
#586
On May 12 2015 01:44 marvellosity wrote:
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On May 12 2015 01:43 justanothertownie wrote:
On May 12 2015 01:41 Damdred wrote:
Can we not policy lynch vivax today XD maybe a day vig could just take him out lol.

I agree roughly that the pregame where BM gave his posts up and didn't do much is kinda meh. It helped me immensely at that juncture though. As such the excuse that BM used to fire the nuke isn't necessarily the least believable thing I've ever read. It's based on meta yes but I didn't feel it was horrible, it could of led to some really useful information and its a pity that it didn't.


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Vivax is certainly not a policy lynch.

Not sure how you can say BM is a policy lynch when he's done actual really scummy stuff and Vivax isn't (although I do agree) when he hasn't posted anything at all

BM has done really scummy stuff, yes. However he did it so blatantly and unnecessarily if he is mafia that I have my doubts about it.

Vivax on the other hand just can't help it.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16317 Posts
May 11 2015 16:54 GMT
#591
On May 12 2015 01:51 Bill Murray wrote:
I realize now what you meant but I guess I misread it before

and the differentiation between the lurkers is because Trfel is obviously mafia to me this game

if my nuke doesnt land on him im going to vote him. I am admittedly a little behind this game and need to catch up

Dude, your nuke will not land on him. It has been shot down ages ago. Still you are voting vivax. What gives?
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16317 Posts
May 11 2015 17:12 GMT
#602
On May 12 2015 02:10 yamato77 wrote:
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On May 12 2015 02:06 LightningStrike wrote:
On May 12 2015 02:05 yamato77 wrote:
marv, I don't really want to lynch BM

I do want to lynch JAT

lynch JAT with me

##vote: justanothertownie

Why is JAT scum?

he'll blame the post restriction

but he's wasted posts with absolute bullshit posts that aren't scumhunting

his reads are total trash tier

and his overall involvement with the game is at a detached level

Cute. If you said why my reads are trash tier I might be able to take you serious.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16317 Posts
May 11 2015 17:25 GMT
#605
On May 12 2015 02:19 yamato77 wrote:
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On May 12 2015 02:12 justanothertownie wrote:
On May 12 2015 02:10 yamato77 wrote:
On May 12 2015 02:06 LightningStrike wrote:
On May 12 2015 02:05 yamato77 wrote:
marv, I don't really want to lynch BM

I do want to lynch JAT

lynch JAT with me

##vote: justanothertownie

Why is JAT scum?

he'll blame the post restriction

but he's wasted posts with absolute bullshit posts that aren't scumhunting

his reads are total trash tier

and his overall involvement with the game is at a detached level

Cute. If you said why my reads are trash tier I might be able to take you serious.

read your own "reads" post and tell me if those are actually good

if you can do that with a straight face...

The "reads" post you are talking about is the answer to HTS? The post where I said I don't really know who to lynch yet, yes?
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16317 Posts
May 11 2015 17:31 GMT
#608
On May 12 2015 02:26 yamato77 wrote:
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On May 12 2015 02:25 justanothertownie wrote:
On May 12 2015 02:19 yamato77 wrote:
On May 12 2015 02:12 justanothertownie wrote:
On May 12 2015 02:10 yamato77 wrote:
On May 12 2015 02:06 LightningStrike wrote:
On May 12 2015 02:05 yamato77 wrote:
marv, I don't really want to lynch BM

I do want to lynch JAT

lynch JAT with me

##vote: justanothertownie

Why is JAT scum?

he'll blame the post restriction

but he's wasted posts with absolute bullshit posts that aren't scumhunting

his reads are total trash tier

and his overall involvement with the game is at a detached level

Cute. If you said why my reads are trash tier I might be able to take you serious.

read your own "reads" post and tell me if those are actually good

if you can do that with a straight face...

The "reads" post you are talking about is the answer to HTS? The post where I said I don't really know who to lynch yet, yes?

so you admit your reads are trash tier

good, we're on the same page

Sure dude. I am not continuing this conversation.

@rsoultin: I don't think what you are doing is necessary and it wastes posts. If you don't care/are unsure go ahead.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16317 Posts
May 11 2015 18:15 GMT
#637
On May 12 2015 02:59 rsoultin wrote:
and i dunnae everyone doesn't like jat but i don't find him that bad? he strikes me as way more flamy when he's being scumread as scum, but since i'm not sure i was just going to let y'all pressure him and do my own thing trying to figure him out xP

I don't think I am more flamy as scum but it doesn't even matter. Fact is I am not mafia. Pressuring me was never the way to figure out my alignment and it most certainly isn't in a post restricted game.
The only thing yamato is right about is that I wasted posts. I will stop that right now. I will return when there is relevant stuff to talk about/when it is time to really push a lynch because I will need my posts then.
You guys can keep discussing me but I am telling you it is a waste of time. I can assure you that I will not be lynched today.

A thing to keep in mind is that yamato probably does not have the balls to go against me like that as mafia.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16317 Posts
May 11 2015 18:37 GMT
#663
On May 12 2015 03:29 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
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On May 12 2015 03:27 Trfel wrote:
On May 12 2015 03:26 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Vivax will hop back on my lynch list if he continues to do as little as possible.

Also if that nuke is real then we are 100% lynching BM either today or tomorrow.
Again, how can the nuke not be real? "Secret role" aside, I see no mention of fake nukes in the role list.

And I think that maybe lynching Bill Murray is a necessity, just to make him stop nuking people. Or maybe he is out of nukes now?


Last Ver game had a fake nuke, but there was only one.

I thought that the use of the nuke was so silly that it had to be fake, but I really don't see the purpose or the "why" of nuking Marv, even as a joke.

Exactly. If we are really unlucky the first one was the fake and now there is no more protection. We need to lynch this guy.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16317 Posts
May 11 2015 20:04 GMT
#711
On May 12 2015 04:24 sandroba wrote:
I really don't like jat, he feels very different from the town games I've played with him. He doesn't engage people giving him grief trying to figure out their alignment, but instead comes off as dismissive and angry. He also feels very detached from the game, posting statements instead of the usual inquiries and info digging that I normally see from town jat.
I don't think the BM lynch is going to be all that productive regarding info, but he seems to be a problem that needs to be dealt with sooner or later because suspicion will always be around him, especially if marv ends up not flipping scum, so I wouldn't mind a dayvigi dealing with him today.

Why do you think a BM flip would not give us information? He is one of the most talked about people, no? I don't really think dayvigging him would be a good idea if we can just lynch him. Dayvig shots should be saved for lurkers who don't create any associations with their play. RoL might fit this category.

Tell me who I should have engaged then. Palmar attacked me for not getting a joke half a dozen other people also did not understand which is something he would do as either alignment and engaging him about it is completely pointless and a waste of posts. Yamato attacked me for not having reads. I already said he is probably town for the way he did it because he is a pussy as mafia. If he is town the only way to construtively engage this is by posting reads when I have them while arguing with him about it doesn't lead anywhere. If he is mafia there is no point in engaging him either.
Now you call me angry. I don't know how you come to this conclusion. In fact people said I was not angry enough to be mafia earlier. But I don't think you are mafia with this performace so far. The difference to last game is like night and day.
Maybe I am just having an off day but if I had seen situations that warranted "digging" I would have done so. Even though my style of playing is severely limited by this post restriction and that should be really obvious. It is absolutely possible that you feel like I am detached from this game because apparently I am.

I realize that me defending myself doesn't help either and will stop doing this now but all I can tell you is that it is very unlikely that you will still want to lynch me tomorrow so it would be more producitve if you would concentrate on other people for now.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16317 Posts
May 11 2015 20:31 GMT
#725
On May 12 2015 05:12 Half the Sky wrote:
The same thing I'd say applies to JAT. Your last response to me was tentative, and I know you (and many others) want to policy BM, and want Vivax gone, but even with this amount of content surely you can name at least one additional scumread by now.

Honestly? No. I can give you my current "do not lynch" list which is rather sizable but I am absolutely not decided on who to lynch besides BM.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16317 Posts
May 11 2015 20:47 GMT
#731
On May 12 2015 05:41 Half the Sky wrote:
19/60

EBWOP - at Vivax, also saying "fuck you bh" after he anti-nuked BM isn't helping your credibility atm.

JAT - what is your current DNL list?

Vivax - If you're not scum, then tell me who is.

Also regarding the recent BH nuke, I think it's a towny action, though I'm with Rasputin - explain what you thought of Trfel as you were saving him, or if you really saved him off a tone read?

Or even better, looking at him now, do you regret saving him?

I think the following players should not be lynched today for different reasons. Order is not important.

marv
GB
Trfel
sandro
HTS
yamato
bats
rsoultin
BH
Damdred
TD
Palmar
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16317 Posts
May 11 2015 23:00 GMT
#816
On May 12 2015 07:56 KelsierSC wrote:
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On May 12 2015 07:52 GlowingBear wrote:
On May 12 2015 07:39 KelsierSC wrote:
On May 12 2015 07:31 GlowingBear wrote:
Give me one reason BH is town other than protecting a guy this early without even knowing his role.

I can't see BH's anti nuke coming from town perspective. His double standards on truffle and marv, and the decision of immediately stopping BM's nuke instead of further inspecting truffles nuke is too scummy.

If truffle is town, BH was trying to get town cred
If truffle is Mafia, BH was protecting a scum partner.

I can't see his reaction to the first nuke coming from a town perspective, specially when he asks for permission to palmar.


I think it's just not correct to say you "can't see it coming from a town perspective" maybe he judged trefl was town and decided not to let him get hit by a nuke. that feels townie to me.

some people are saying it isn't "optimal" because more info could have been gathered, whilst I agree I don't think that makes BH scummy. in the heat of the moment he saved someone he thought was town.

for the second nuke he waited a while and then decided to anti it, more in line with an optimal play, that nuke was terrible marv is clear town so that is a pro town move from BH. If BH is mafia it may have made sense to wait it out even longer and see if someone who is town uses an anti nuke to save marv. he can claim he has none left.

i don't really see the double standard, if people complain he acted to rashly with the first anti, to wait on the second.

I disagree with your analysis





Consider yourself with the anti nuke ability.
You see a town read with one page of filter getting nuked after 48 hours.
You don't know anyone's alignment (you're town, duh). Will you further investigate this guy alignment to decide if you really waste your anti nuke or you immediately use it and shut down thread progression?

Only a guy with perfect information would react that way.

To me, Kelsen, BH asked Palmar's permission so he could blame Palmar once marv flips read. This is somehow approaching WIFOM territory, but very plausible.


yes I understand that point, but I have also presented a case where BH is town, saying "you just can't see it being town" isn't true


consider yourself as mafia, someone nukes marv! who is likely town here, you can claim that you have no anti nukes left, but instead you decide to save him? that doesn't make sense to me.



This is true. Also while I agree that shooting down the nuke immediately is not optimal townplay that does not mean it makes sense to do it as scum. I still think shooting down the nuke on Trfel only really makes sense if Trfel is scum. Unless BM is scum with BH in some weird world and the first nuke was a fake. And this world makes no sense when you add the second nuke and it's termination.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16317 Posts
May 12 2015 13:16 GMT
#1049
On May 12 2015 18:58 marvellosity wrote:
Seen it been mentioned a few times, but I think BH is a pretty terrible lynch, certainly anyone saving me from a nuke I am not going to vote for today.

Three people who I think are good lynches, other than BM:

Vivax - somehow when I read his posts last night they didn't seem *too* uninteresting. So I was left feeling a little town from it. But in the end, they led nowhere, game has been going on quite a while now, not enough to hang my hat on

Oats - promised GB he'd try properly this game. I don't really remember his posts.

Xatalos - he's boring. that's enough.

I'm not very sure about my earlier Onegu read. I read Onegu + rsoultin arguing last night when I was pretty baked and I couldn't work out what the fuck was going on. Anyone have any bright insights?

This list seems ok. Vivax has vanished again - would absolutely lynch.
On May 12 2015 19:10 TalkingDead wrote:
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On May 12 2015 19:01 marvellosity wrote:
On May 12 2015 19:00 TalkingDead wrote:
Yes. Can we add RebirthofLegend to said list?

We can, ish, but I think that verges a little more into policy, maybe.

Is it really a policy lynch to kill people who have 8 posts about nothing interesting that offer nothing of note and more than likely will continue said trend? Because I call that modus operandi.

He's a far worse offender than Palmer. At least Yamato has some interesting posts.

I think RoL would be a better vig target. No way to discern his alignment based on what he posted.
On May 12 2015 20:52 GlowingBear wrote:
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On May 12 2015 20:44 Oatsmaster wrote:
On May 12 2015 20:41 GlowingBear wrote:
Damdy, you asked me questions, never followed up. You said my read on BH is good, but it didn't change your vote, nor created interest in you to pursue more information on him.

Can you give more inputs about this?
Let's lynch BH?
Would you lynch Oats?
What did you make of my answer?

dude you arent fucking lynching me again day 1 for no reason.

Ok lets lynch Xata then.

100% scum.
Im not even kidding


I'm not lynching Xata.

Let's lynch BH?


We are not lynching BH. What reason is there for you to not lynch xatalos? I won't even start to comment on that pardon.
On May 12 2015 21:34 sandroba wrote:
I would like to lynch between RoL, VE, stutters and bats today if BM is not an option. Every other player did posted something townie to lesser or greater degrees in my eyes at some point. These 4 I can't find anything townie about them.

We are also not lynching bats. Stutters I could see maybe although also better vig target. VE I would be hesitant about.
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